I received three answers to my email subject Occupation “Horsedriver” yesterday and answered two of them. They have all disappeared overnight out of my gmail account. I did not delete or move them. Why is it so? Thanks MaryB Brisbane, Qld. Aus.

Mary, I can't answer your question myself, but let me know if you get no answers and I'll ask a couple of Aussie friends who  might know. (They're in Australia, I'm in Canada.) Eve On 02/09/2018 7:48 AM, Mary Brettell wrote: > Hi all… > My great grandfather’s occupation on his wedding certificate was “Horsedriver”. This was in Australia in a small place called “Gootchie” (now Gundiah) just out of Maryborough Qld. > Can anyone please tell me what exactly he might do? > Thanks > Mary Brettell > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=8to3KMqyqg-kgeyXGR5mKty4Pg8P9voSfRv04YiYkkA&m=JlUaY-OXmburOL9iOLbuUP88rjWMMzC1XnKvJ1s1rvU&s=lyDlPBIiHTpjIaMOmMd0ZA4k24C2hQpYuS8by6rA5hY&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/***** > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=8to3KMqyqg-kgeyXGR5mKty4Pg8P9voSfRv04YiYkkA&m=JlUaY-OXmburOL9iOLbuUP88rjWMMzC1XnKvJ1s1rvU&s=vcs99qQ2cTkIrQdHd3Dp02MsTNyj2UawDhFFyIsPfrw&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=8to3KMqyqg-kgeyXGR5mKty4Pg8P9voSfRv04YiYkkA&m=JlUaY-OXmburOL9iOLbuUP88rjWMMzC1XnKvJ1s1rvU&s=fe2z3uYOnNAxDCg_zlBkcOXFsmT4KReeutKVs5X2noA&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi all… My great grandfather’s occupation on his wedding certificate was “Horsedriver”. This was in Australia in a small place called “Gootchie” (now Gundiah) just out of Maryborough Qld. Can anyone please tell me what exactly he might do? Thanks Mary Brettell

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) gives for "factor" in a commercial sense the following: "One who buys and sells for another person; a mercantile agent; a commission merchant." For "coal factor" the OED has: "An agent between parties in the trade of coal; spec. (in London) an officially recognized agent who buys coal from owners or shippers and sells it on to wholesalers or retailers." There is a description of the London trade in William J. Hausman, "A Model of the London Coal Trade in the Eighteenth Century" (1980) 94 (1) 'The Quarterly Journal of Economics" pp. 1-14 at 1-2: "The transition from wood to coal as a source of energy for London's households and manufacturers was virtually complete by the beginning of the eighteenth century. Since there were no coal fields in the immediate vicinity, a vigorous coastal trade had developed between London and the area surrounding Newcastle-upon-Tyne, the earliest and most productive coal-producing region of the nation. "Distribution of the product from the mine owner to the final consumer was effected through a sophisticated organization with detailed specialization of function. The Newcastle mine owners operated through factors, known as "fitters," who acted as agents of the owners, and who sold coal to the ship masters. At London the ship masters sold to a group of coal factors known as "crimps," "lightermen," or "coal buyers," who then distributed the coal to other wholesalers, retailers, or large consumers. The trade was characterized by a high level of economic concentration among Newcastle producers and London middlemen, and various alliances and cartels were organized during the course of the century." Hope this helps. On 19/12/2013, ***** <*****> wrote: > living in Dublin. His occupation in the 1901 census was "coal factor." > That is, is the coal factor the middle man between the shipment person who > possesses the coal and the merchant who sells the coal to the public? > > But who pays the commission -- the shipment person pays the coal factor, > or the merchant pays the coal factor, or some other arrangement????

Hello All, One of my collateral ancestors was a George BYRNE, born about 1876 and living in Dublin. His occupation in the 1901 census was "coal factor." This is the most complete definition I've found for that term. "The Business of a Coal Factor is to sell by Commission to the Coal Merchant Coal consigned to him by his Employers at the Place of Shipment. Any Person may however sell his own Coal without the Intervention of a Coal Factor." from Journal of the House of Lords: volume 62 - 1830. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=16568&strquery=%22coal+factor%22 I don't understand what that means. Does it mean "The employers at the place of shipment, for example at the docks, consign coal to the factor, who sells it to the coal merchant"? That is, is the coal factor the middle man between the shipment person who possesses the coal and the merchant who sells the coal to the public? But who pays the commission -- the shipment person pays the coal factor, or the merchant pays the coal factor, or some other arrangement???? If not, what do you think it means? PJ, in Texas

Hi from Hamilton New Zealand, I can't help you but all the best with your Invisible History Oral History research. Its an extremely important part of genealogy that without people such as yourself, would be lost. Please keep us 'in the loop' with your progress. If I lived closer I would come and have a cuppa and a biscuit too. Cheers Brenda Hamilton New Zealand On 16/02/2013, at 3:44 AM, Neil Dymond-Green wrote: > Hello, > > I am co-ordinating an oral history project, called Invisible > Histories, for the Working Class Movement Library in Salford. > > I'm trying to track down people who used to work at Agecroft > Colliery, Ward & Goldstone's and Richard Haworth's mill who would be > willing to come and talk to us about their work memories and > experiences and be recorded. > > It's all very informal (and there's chance for tea and a biscuit!). > If you're interested, please could you contact me by email at ***** > <mailto://*****> (or by phone 0161 736 3601) > > > > > > Thanks, > > Neil > > > > Neil Dymond-Green > > Project Learning Coordinator: Invisible Histories Project > > Capturing people's stories from three of Salford's lost workplaces: > Agecroft Colliery, Ward & Goldstone, Richard Haworth > > Working Class Movement Library > > > > Please note: I work Wednesdays, Thursdays and alternate Fridays > > > > Tel: 0161 736 3601 > > www.wcml.org.uk > > 51 The Crescent, Salford, M5 4WX. > > > > Registered Charity No. 1115731 > > Company Limited by Guarantee No. 5721140 > > > > = > = > = > = > = > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > The Working Class Movement Library is a charitable trust, which > exists to help others. We believe that the historical information > held here is important, and we want as many people as are interested > to know about and use the Library. If you'd like to support us, why > not become a Friend of the Library? Friends are invited to regular > events at the Library and receive our quarterly newsletter Shelf > Life. Annual membership is just £10. www.wcml.org.uk/donations/ <http://www.wcml.org.uk/donations/ > > gives more details. > > To receive news about the Library subscribe to our free e-bulletins > at www.wcml.org.uk/enewsletters. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hello, I am co-ordinating an oral history project, called Invisible Histories, for the Working Class Movement Library in Salford. I'm trying to track down people who used to work at Agecroft Colliery, Ward & Goldstone's and Richard Haworth's mill who would be willing to come and talk to us about their work memories and experiences and be recorded. It's all very informal (and there's chance for tea and a biscuit!). If you're interested, please could you contact me by email at ***** <mailto://*****> (or by phone 0161 736 3601) Thanks, Neil Neil Dymond-Green Project Learning Coordinator: Invisible Histories Project Capturing people's stories from three of Salford's lost workplaces: Agecroft Colliery, Ward & Goldstone, Richard Haworth Working Class Movement Library Please note: I work Wednesdays, Thursdays and alternate Fridays Tel: 0161 736 3601 www.wcml.org.uk 51 The Crescent, Salford, M5 4WX. Registered Charity No. 1115731 Company Limited by Guarantee No. 5721140 =============================================================================== The Working Class Movement Library is a charitable trust, which exists to help others. We believe that the historical information held here is important, and we want as many people as are interested to know about and use the Library. If you'd like to support us, why not become a Friend of the Library? Friends are invited to regular events at the Library and receive our quarterly newsletter Shelf Life. Annual membership is just £10. www.wcml.org.uk/donations/ <http://www.wcml.org.uk/donations/> gives more details. To receive news about the Library subscribe to our free e-bulletins at www.wcml.org.uk/enewsletters.

Hi, I take it you have looked through the fascinating occupations on this web page ?? http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php its terrific, for instance did you know that a 'CARNIFEX' is a Public executioner and that a 'JAKES-FARMER' is one who emptied cesspools or cesspits. One who contracted to clean out privies; a scavenger. The nearest I got to the words you have given is 'KNOLLER' a Toller of bells If the last letter you have written, an 'n' could be an 'r' Let us know how you get on. Cheers Brenda Hamilton New Zealand On 19/11/2012, at 6:35 AM, Diane MARGRIE-Sowden wrote: > It is under rank or profession on a marriage certificate! > > Letters COULD be lollsan? > > Thanks very much. > > Diane >

Now I know what a wet nurse was! Always wanted to know! Diane Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2012, at 23:37, Brenda MacCulloch <*****> wrote: > Hi, > I take it you have looked through the fascinating occupations on this > web page ?? > http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php > > its terrific, for instance did you know that a 'CARNIFEX' is a Public > executioner > and that a 'JAKES-FARMER' is one who emptied cesspools or cesspits. > One who contracted to clean out privies; a scavenger. > > The nearest I got to the words you have given is 'KNOLLER' a Toller of > bells > If the last letter you have written, an 'n' could be an 'r' > > Let us know how you get on. > Cheers > Brenda > Hamilton New Zealand > On 19/11/2012, at 6:35 AM, Diane MARGRIE-Sowden wrote: > >> It is under rank or profession on a marriage certificate! >> >> Letters COULD be lollsan? >> >> Thanks very much. >> >> Diane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the website, I shall take a look now! Diane Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2012, at 23:37, Brenda MacCulloch <*****> wrote: > Hi, > I take it you have looked through the fascinating occupations on this > web page ?? > http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php > > its terrific, for instance did you know that a 'CARNIFEX' is a Public > executioner > and that a 'JAKES-FARMER' is one who emptied cesspools or cesspits. > One who contracted to clean out privies; a scavenger. > > The nearest I got to the words you have given is 'KNOLLER' a Toller of > bells > If the last letter you have written, an 'n' could be an 'r' > > Let us know how you get on. > Cheers > Brenda > Hamilton New Zealand > On 19/11/2012, at 6:35 AM, Diane MARGRIE-Sowden wrote: > >> It is under rank or profession on a marriage certificate! >> >> Letters COULD be lollsan? >> >> Thanks very much. >> >> Diane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

England thank you. Diane Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2012, at 19:13, ***** wrote: > What country are you researching? > Pat > > > In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:59:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ***** writes: > > I will have to check what the letters are then! > > Diane > > On 18/11/2012 11:51, Trevor Tomasin wrote: >> Hi Diane >> >> No idea - sorry >> >> On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: >> >>> Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. >>> >>> I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: >>> >>> collsda!!! >>> >>> I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever >>> people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. >>> >>> Thanks very much for answering. >>> >>> Diane >> >> >> Cheers ;-) >> >> Trev >> >> www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. >> >> >> I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or >> Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! >> >> >> This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked >> for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs >> Internet Security software. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much, that makes VERY good sense don't know why I didn't think of that one! Diane Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2012, at 18:08, Emaress Nova <*****> wrote: > If the occupation was for a male it might be "collier" a coal miner. > > > My God provides my every need according to His riches in glory. Amen > > From: Trevor Tomasin <*****> > To: ***** > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [OCCUPATIONS] What is this occupation please!! > > Hi Diane > > No idea - sorry > > On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: > >> Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. >> >> I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: >> >> collsda!!! >> >> I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever >> people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. >> >> Thanks very much for answering. >> >> Diane > > > > Cheers ;-) > > Trev > > www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. > > > I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or > Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! > > > This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked > for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs > Internet Security software. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Letters are: Lollsan? Diane Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2012, at 15:29, ***** wrote: > Sorry for some reason I thought it was on the census, though that might help. Is it possible for you to download just the part of the certificate with the offending word? Brenda. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Trevor Tomasin <*****> > To: ***** > Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 11:51 > Subject: Re: [OCCUPATIONS] What is this occupation please!! > > Hi Diane > > No idea - sorry > > On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: > >> Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. >> >> I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: >> >> collsda!!! >> >> I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever >> people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. >> >> Thanks very much for answering. >> >> Diane > > > > Cheers ;-) > > Trev > > www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. > > > I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or > Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! > > > This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked > for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs > Internet Security software. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is under rank or profession on a marriage certificate! Letters COULD be lollsan? Thanks very much. Diane Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2012, at 15:27, ***** wrote: > Hello diane, could you refer us to the actual page in which this is written. A new eye often reads something differently. Brenda > > > > ________________________________ > From: Diane <*****> > To: ***** > Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 11:59 > Subject: Re: [OCCUPATIONS] What is this occupation please!! > > I will have to check what the letters are then! > > Diane > > On 18/11/2012 11:51, Trevor Tomasin wrote: >> Hi Diane >> >> No idea - sorry >> >> On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: >> >>> Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. >>> >>> I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: >>> >>> collsda!!! >>> >>> I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever >>> people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. >>> >>> Thanks very much for answering. >>> >>> Diane >> >> >> Cheers ;-) >> >> Trev >> >> www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. >> >> >> I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or >> Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! >> >> >> This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked >> for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs >> Internet Security software. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry for some reason I thought it was on the census, though that might help. Is it possible for you to download just the part of the certificate with the offending word? Brenda. ________________________________ From: Trevor Tomasin <*****> To: ***** Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 11:51 Subject: Re: [OCCUPATIONS] What is this occupation please!! Hi Diane No idea - sorry On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: > Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. > > I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: > > collsda!!! > > I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever > people out there.  It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. > > Thanks very much for answering. > > Diane Cheers ;-) Trev www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask!     This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs Internet Security software. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello diane, could you refer us to the actual page in which this is written. A new eye often reads something differently. Brenda ________________________________ From: Diane <*****> To: ***** Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 11:59 Subject: Re: [OCCUPATIONS] What is this occupation please!! I will have to check what the letters are then! Diane On 18/11/2012 11:51, Trevor Tomasin wrote: > Hi Diane > > No idea - sorry > > On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: > >> Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. >> >> I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: >> >> collsda!!! >> >> I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever >> people out there.  It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. >> >> Thanks very much for answering. >> >> Diane > > > Cheers ;-) > > Trev > > www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. > > > I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or > Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! > >     > This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked > for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs > Internet Security software. >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What country are you researching? Pat In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:59:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ***** writes: I will have to check what the letters are then! Diane On 18/11/2012 11:51, Trevor Tomasin wrote: > Hi Diane > > No idea - sorry > > On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: > >> Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. >> >> I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: >> >> collsda!!! >> >> I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever >> people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. >> >> Thanks very much for answering. >> >> Diane > > > Cheers ;-) > > Trev > > www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. > > > I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or > Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! > > > This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked > for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs > Internet Security software. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will have to check what the letters are then! Diane On 18/11/2012 11:51, Trevor Tomasin wrote: > Hi Diane > > No idea - sorry > > On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: > >> Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. >> >> I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: >> >> collsda!!! >> >> I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever >> people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. >> >> Thanks very much for answering. >> >> Diane > > > Cheers ;-) > > Trev > > www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. > > > I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or > Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! > > > This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked > for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs > Internet Security software. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ***** with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Diane No idea - sorry On 18/11/2012 11:30, Diane wrote: > Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. > > I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: > > collsda!!! > > I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever > people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. > > Thanks very much for answering. > > Diane Cheers ;-) Trev www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - for the HMC&E Waterguard web site. I DON'T wish to be involved in Facebook, Linkden, MySpace, Bebo or Twitter etc. - So DON'T ask! This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked for 'nasties', and found to be clean, by the latest Kaspersky Labs Internet Security software.

Hi there, Diane here I am new to this list. I have an occupation that LOOKS LIKE: collsda!!! I know that this isn't right, what could it be please all you clever people out there. It is on a marriage certificate of 1901. Thanks very much for answering. Diane