Neither one is in the NY Times Would like to find an obituary for Herbert Elroy Martin who died Oct 1975 in New York, New York. His birthdate is Dec 5, 1896. I think he lived in the Manhattan area. Also if possible Mary Martin who died either between 1920 - 1930. as Herbert had a different wife in the 1930 census (Elizabeth). or Mary may have died in Octgober 1970 in the Murrayhill area of New York.