Looking for information regarding Beryl Ellen/Helen Wilton born 11/2/1927 ? New Zealand and died 2009, Whangarei, New Zealand.    Wanting to know where Beryl was born - was it New Zealand, Australia or England?     Michelle Harte Whakatane, New Zealand NZSG: 25317 [email protected]

I am trying to find out about adoption records.    A family member is noted on the papers past as born to what is believed to be the grandparents in New Zealand.  The death certificate also shows this also. No notification of birth record under all surnames available.  Years later a member of the family said that this child was a step brother and not an uncle as first thought (and records show).    Person in question is:   Ian Neil McMilne - born 23 May 1929 at St Helen's Hospital, Auckland, New Zealand                                 died 5 September 1930 Avondale, Auckland.                                  buried with no headstone.    ? buried in the same grave as Rose McMilne - ? sister ? nephew.   Please Help Michelle Harte Whakatane, New Zealand NZSG: 25317 [email protected]

Hi all, an aunt, now in her 80's recalls meeting up with an Ernie ALLEN (not sure of the exact spelling of his surname) she only knew him as Ernie and when she and her friends went by boat in 1951 to Sydney, it had passengers on it going to the UK and Ernie was one of them. He went on with his friends to the UK and she got off in Sydney with her friends. Apparently he was a 'Sheep Farmer from the South Island' and assumes the Ernie was shortened from Ernest, can't think of what else it would be. Any help would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Brenda

Help please Question: Help required to find details of the two daughters of Emma Sophia Dorn 1840 - 1917 and her first husband Henry Rhodes Button/Burton/Barton 1836 - 1871 Emma Sophia immigrated to Lyttleton, NZ on the Mary Shepherd about 1872, presumably with daughters I can't find a passenger list of them departing UK or arriving in NZ. Emma Sophia married James Denham April 1873 in Christchurch. The girls are said to have been living with them and their 6 children born 1874 -1882. MY NZ Version 4 disks have packed it in John Meyers John Meyers Port Macquarie NSW 2444 65847300 0418226643

Thank you Sylvia, imagine putting a 2 year old in a class of much older children, poor little things... Yes, big family, no resources for a maid or a nanny, I can see why they might try to get them enrolled to school early. Cheers Brenda On 11/06/2012, at 1:15 PM, sylvia white wrote: > Hell Brenda, > > I had a similar incident when my great grandparents sent their many > children > to school before the age of five years. > Five years of age was the entry age for the schools in Yorkshire as I > understand the rest of England. > My ancestors in question had to remove their children from school > when it > was discovered they were not of the correct 'entry' age. > I wonder if this was the same scenario for your underage scholars? > Because of the large number of children in families during the 18th > and 19th > century, parents would no doubt welcome relief if their > children were taken care of for best part of the day. > > Sylvia BC Canada >

hi all, I wondered if someone knows why or if a 2 or 3 year old would be enrolled in a London Schoo (1870's to 1890's). Also occasional 4 year olds. I have several records of 2 and 3 year olds being enrolled and wondered if the school was not in the usual sense of school as we understand it but perhaps a kind of early Barnardo's or care place and if so if there would be more records than just the enrollments and discharges, and often re-enrollments. Did they have kindergartens then or pre-schools ?? The schools and details I have with little one's being admitted are below. Any suggestions very welcome. Cheers Brenda New Zealand 1. 1896 10 Feb (admission date) 11 May 1893 (birth date) Age 2 years Dalgleish St., School Tower Hamlets. NOTE: Dalgliesh St School (0505) opened in 1880. Renamed Sir William Burrough School in 1951, Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV05/DAL/AD/007 Child Bertie SAUNTER father Charles of 35 Dora Street 2. 1894 22 Oct (admission date) St Matthias' Infant School, Tower Hamlets. Child 1. ASHWOOD Robert 18 Nov 1890 (birth date) Age 3 years Child 2. ASHWOOD Isabella 12 Jan 1889 (birth date) Age 5 years Father's name is Robert, residence 7 Satchwell Street and BOTH children had previously been at TURIN St., School and on 16th Nov 1894 they were 'returned to Turin Street School' so were at St. Matthias' school a very short time, the only reasons that come to mind is that I see on http://library.wellcome.ac.uk/assets/wtl039797.pdf that their had been a "petition and appeal v. School Board for London re maintenance of sewer at Turin St., School 1896" so perhaps there were issues regarding the children's health ant maybe St Matthias's was not a lot better ?? NOTE. 'St Matthias' Church of England School (0260) opened in or before 1894. Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV05/STMAT/AD/003 3. 1892 9 May (admission date) 11 May 1887 (birth date) Age 4 years Rotherhithe New Road School Southwark Child Arthur ASHWOOD Mother Leonora of '7 Bush Road'. NOTE: 'Rotherhithe New Rd School (0360) opened in 1876. Became Rotherhithe Primary School in 1951. Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV08/ROT/AD/005 4. 1874 1 Feb 1878 (admission date) 28 Jan 1874 (birth date) Age 4 years St Bride's and Bridewell Precinct School, City of London Child Robert STRONG of '9 Gunpowder Alley' NOTE: St Bride's and Bridewell Precinct School (0454) originally opened in the early 18th centry. Closed in 1936 Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV05/ STBRI/AD/001 5. 1886 1 Nov (admission date) 16 Jan 1883 (birth date) Age 3 years Wilton Rd School, Hackney Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV04/WIL/AD/003 Child Edmund PHILLIPS father George.- this child is admitted to another school aged 9 yrs Sidney Rd., School on 22 March 1892

Hell Brenda, I had a similar incident when my great grandparents sent their many children to school before the age of five years. Five years of age was the entry age for the schools in Yorkshire as I understand the rest of England. My ancestors in question had to remove their children from school when it was discovered they were not of the correct 'entry' age. I wonder if this was the same scenario for your underage scholars? Because of the large number of children in families during the 18th and 19th century, parents would no doubt welcome relief if their children were taken care of for best part of the day. Sylvia BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: Brenda MacCulloch Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:13 PM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] London school admissions 1840 -1911 enquiry regarding 2 & 3 year olds being enrolled hi all, I wondered if someone knows why or if a 2 or 3 year old would be enrolled in a London Schoo (1870's to 1890's). Also occasional 4 year olds. I have several records of 2 and 3 year olds being enrolled and wondered if the school was not in the usual sense of school as we understand it but perhaps a kind of early Barnardo's or care place and if so if there would be more records than just the enrollments and discharges, and often re-enrollments. Did they have kindergartens then or pre-schools ?? The schools and details I have with little one's being admitted are below. Any suggestions very welcome. Cheers Brenda New Zealand 1. 1896 10 Feb (admission date) 11 May 1893 (birth date) Age 2 years Dalgleish St., School Tower Hamlets. NOTE: Dalgliesh St School (0505) opened in 1880. Renamed Sir William Burrough School in 1951, Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV05/DAL/AD/007 Child Bertie SAUNTER father Charles of 35 Dora Street 2. 1894 22 Oct (admission date) St Matthias' Infant School, Tower Hamlets. Child 1. ASHWOOD Robert 18 Nov 1890 (birth date) Age 3 years Child 2. ASHWOOD Isabella 12 Jan 1889 (birth date) Age 5 years Father's name is Robert, residence 7 Satchwell Street and BOTH children had previously been at TURIN St., School and on 16th Nov 1894 they were 'returned to Turin Street School' so were at St. Matthias' school a very short time, the only reasons that come to mind is that I see on http://library.wellcome.ac.uk/assets/wtl039797.pdf that their had been a "petition and appeal v. School Board for London re maintenance of sewer at Turin St., School 1896" so perhaps there were issues regarding the children's health ant maybe St Matthias's was not a lot better ?? NOTE. 'St Matthias' Church of England School (0260) opened in or before 1894. Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV05/STMAT/AD/003 3. 1892 9 May (admission date) 11 May 1887 (birth date) Age 4 years Rotherhithe New Road School Southwark Child Arthur ASHWOOD Mother Leonora of '7 Bush Road'. NOTE: 'Rotherhithe New Rd School (0360) opened in 1876. Became Rotherhithe Primary School in 1951. Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV08/ROT/AD/005 4. 1874 1 Feb 1878 (admission date) 28 Jan 1874 (birth date) Age 4 years St Bride's and Bridewell Precinct School, City of London Child Robert STRONG of '9 Gunpowder Alley' NOTE: St Bride's and Bridewell Precinct School (0454) originally opened in the early 18th centry. Closed in 1936 Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV05/ STBRI/AD/001 5. 1886 1 Nov (admission date) 16 Jan 1883 (birth date) Age 3 years Wilton Rd School, Hackney Ref No. LCC/EO/DIV04/WIL/AD/003 Child Edmund PHILLIPS father George.- this child is admitted to another school aged 9 yrs Sidney Rd., School on 22 March 1892 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will have a squizz later on brenda On 22/05/2012, at 9:33 AM, sylvia wrote: > Hello Brenda, > I do have Ancestry Brenda but can't find anything. > Would appreciate new eyes taking a look however. > Much appreciated. > > My ancestor is Easton Salter born 1809. (an unusual forename as you > can > see.) > He arrived in Auckland NZ, 23 July 1872 sailing on the Coronilla. > Died Auckland September 1880 age 71 yrs. > Up until he left England he was not married but can't find even a > marriage > or any sign of him in NZ until finding his death record 1880. > Before leaving England census showed him as a shoemaker. > > Thanks very much for the help Brenda. > > Sylvia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Papers Past > > >> Hi Sylvia, >> if you don't have access to Ancestry, I can do a few look ups for >> you, >> if you give me details I will happily do so. >> brenda >> new zealand >> On 21/05/2012, at 11:14 AM, sylvia wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Can anyone tell me if there are electoral rolls and/or census for >>> Auckland >>> NZ between years 1872 -1880? >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> Sylvia >>> BC Canada >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hi Sylvia, if you don't have access to Ancestry, I can do a few look ups for you, if you give me details I will happily do so. brenda new zealand On 21/05/2012, at 11:14 AM, sylvia wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone tell me if there are electoral rolls and/or census for > Auckland > NZ between years 1872 -1880? > > Thanks a lot. > Sylvia > BC Canada > >

Thanks so much! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Papers Past >I will have a squizz later on > brenda > > On 22/05/2012, at 9:33 AM, sylvia wrote: > >> Hello Brenda, >> I do have Ancestry Brenda but can't find anything. >> Would appreciate new eyes taking a look however. >> Much appreciated. >> >> My ancestor is Easton Salter born 1809. (an unusual forename as you >> can >> see.) >> He arrived in Auckland NZ, 23 July 1872 sailing on the Coronilla. >> Died Auckland September 1880 age 71 yrs. >> Up until he left England he was not married but can't find even a >> marriage >> or any sign of him in NZ until finding his death record 1880. >> Before leaving England census showed him as a shoemaker. >> >> Thanks very much for the help Brenda. >> >> Sylvia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Papers Past >> >> >>> Hi Sylvia, >>> if you don't have access to Ancestry, I can do a few look ups for >>> you, >>> if you give me details I will happily do so. >>> brenda >>> new zealand >>> On 21/05/2012, at 11:14 AM, sylvia wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Can anyone tell me if there are electoral rolls and/or census for >>>> Auckland >>>> NZ between years 1872 -1880? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> Sylvia >>>> BC Canada >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Brenda, I do have Ancestry Brenda but can't find anything. Would appreciate new eyes taking a look however. Much appreciated. My ancestor is Easton Salter born 1809. (an unusual forename as you can see.) He arrived in Auckland NZ, 23 July 1872 sailing on the Coronilla. Died Auckland September 1880 age 71 yrs. Up until he left England he was not married but can't find even a marriage or any sign of him in NZ until finding his death record 1880. Before leaving England census showed him as a shoemaker. Thanks very much for the help Brenda. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Papers Past > Hi Sylvia, > if you don't have access to Ancestry, I can do a few look ups for you, > if you give me details I will happily do so. > brenda > new zealand > On 21/05/2012, at 11:14 AM, sylvia wrote: > >> Hello, >> Can anyone tell me if there are electoral rolls and/or census for >> Auckland >> NZ between years 1872 -1880? >> >> Thanks a lot. >> Sylvia >> BC Canada >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sylvia, This is not particular to Auckland, but the whole country... The national census is taken every five years - usually - but the data has not been kept like it has in some other countries. There are exceptions in the five-year rule, such as the 2011 census being delayed untl March 2013 because of the earthquakes in Christchurch. There are electoral rolls available. The original paper rolls are often found in libraries around the country - I know that's not much use to you in Canada. Some years of particular interest have been published on CD by the New Zealand Society of Genealogists (NZSG, http://www.genealogy.org.nz/) and are available for sale on their site. Ancestry also has the electoral rolls up to 1981. Some are indexed, others aren't yet. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy sylvia said the following on 21/05/2012 11:14 a.m.: > Hello, > Can anyone tell me if there are electoral rolls and/or census for Auckland > NZ between years 1872 -1880? > > Thanks a lot. > Sylvia > BC Canada

Hi Wendy, Thanks a lot for that info. I will try the genealogy link. My ancestor arrived 1872 and died 1880. Other than his death record I cannot find anything about him so this link might be a huge help. Thanks again. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] NZ electoral rolls & census (was: Papers Past) > Hi Sylvia, > > This is not particular to Auckland, but the whole country... > > The national census is taken every five years - usually - but the data > has not been kept like it has in some other countries. There are > exceptions in the five-year rule, such as the 2011 census being delayed > untl March 2013 because of the earthquakes in Christchurch. > > There are electoral rolls available. The original paper rolls are often > found in libraries around the country - I know that's not much use to > you in Canada. Some years of particular interest have been published on > CD by the New Zealand Society of Genealogists (NZSG, > http://www.genealogy.org.nz/) and are available for sale on their site. > > Ancestry also has the electoral rolls up to 1981. Some are indexed, > others aren't yet. > > Hope this helps. :-) > > Kind Regards, > Wendy > > sylvia said the following on 21/05/2012 11:14 a.m.: >> Hello, >> Can anyone tell me if there are electoral rolls and/or census for >> Auckland >> NZ between years 1872 -1880? >> >> Thanks a lot. >> Sylvia >> BC Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Can anyone tell me if there are electoral rolls and/or census for Auckland NZ between years 1872 -1880? Thanks a lot. Sylvia BC Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Papers Past > Hi Ray, > I only found out how to do it by complete accident - I am no computer > geek, I was trying to make the image bigger and clicked on the wrong > thing. > cheers > brenda > On 17/05/2012, at 11:12 AM, Ray wrote: > >> Brenda. >> Thank you for providing these techniques, as I should never have >> thought of >> trying such things. >> Gee, but I love the continuing education which I receive on these >> lists. >> >> Thanks again: very much. >> Ray in oz >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> >> >> ... I too have found other documents faint and unclear and after >> saving >>> them I make sure that I work on a duplicate copy, and I (when in >>> Preview) go to TOOLS and 'adjust colour'. >>> Then I click on TINT and drag it to the purple colour. >>> It makes the document PURPLE but with black writing. >>> Then I move increase and decrease the levels of black saturation and >>> its amazing what shows up. >>> Another is to move it to SEPIA but I have used this trial and error >>> method to discover information on parish recordings that have been >>> through a fire so although it sounds a bit of a fiddle >>> it is worth the effort and a lot of fun too. As I say, I always >>> create a duplicate of the downloaded document and then you always >>> have >>> an original. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A brilliant suggestion Brenda, this will go into my files. Alas in this case the missing letter space is blank, so perhaps faint on the original copy too.Appreciate your reply. penne ----->

Hi Ray, I only found out how to do it by complete accident - I am no computer geek, I was trying to make the image bigger and clicked on the wrong thing. cheers brenda On 17/05/2012, at 11:12 AM, Ray wrote: > Brenda. > Thank you for providing these techniques, as I should never have > thought of > trying such things. > Gee, but I love the continuing education which I receive on these > lists. > > Thanks again: very much. > Ray in oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> > > ... I too have found other documents faint and unclear and after > saving >> them I make sure that I work on a duplicate copy, and I (when in >> Preview) go to TOOLS and 'adjust colour'. >> Then I click on TINT and drag it to the purple colour. >> It makes the document PURPLE but with black writing. >> Then I move increase and decrease the levels of black saturation and >> its amazing what shows up. >> Another is to move it to SEPIA but I have used this trial and error >> method to discover information on parish recordings that have been >> through a fire so although it sounds a bit of a fiddle >> it is worth the effort and a lot of fun too. As I say, I always >> create a duplicate of the downloaded document and then you always >> have >> an original. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hi Penne, I too have found other documents faint and unclear and after saving them I make sure that I work on a duplicate copy, and I (when in Preview) go to TOOLS and 'adjust colour'. Then I click on TINT and drag it to the purple colour. It makes the document PURPLE but with black writing. Then I move increase and decrease the levels of black saturation and its amazing what shows up. Another is to move it to SEPIA but I have used this trial and error method to discover information on parish recordings that have been through a fire so although it sounds a bit of a fiddle it is worth the effort and a lot of fun too. As I say, I always create a duplicate of the downloaded document and then you always have an original. It you get stuck email me off list and send me a copy of the article and I will see what I can do. cheers Brenda On 17/05/2012, at 10:01 AM, Penne wrote: > With the addition of some more years of the The Auckland Star, I > find an article of interest in one issue. However the print is faint > and unclear, right where the one name of interest is printed. I > expect a film of this paper will be in the Auckland City Library, > but expect their film will be the same as that which is now > digitised, would this be so?? Would it be possible to view the > original ?? How and where please. date 1912.I do not live in > Auckland, so a quick check is not an option.Appreciate comments. > cheers penne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

With the addition of some more years of the The Auckland Star, I find an article of interest in one issue. However the print is faint and unclear, right where the one name of interest is printed. I expect a film of this paper will be in the Auckland City Library, but expect their film will be the same as that which is now digitised, would this be so?? Would it be possible to view the original ?? How and where please. date 1912.I do not live in Auckland, so a quick check is not an option.Appreciate comments. cheers penne

Brenda. Thank you for providing these techniques, as I should never have thought of trying such things. Gee, but I love the continuing education which I receive on these lists. Thanks again: very much. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> ... I too have found other documents faint and unclear and after saving > them I make sure that I work on a duplicate copy, and I (when in > Preview) go to TOOLS and 'adjust colour'. > Then I click on TINT and drag it to the purple colour. > It makes the document PURPLE but with black writing. > Then I move increase and decrease the levels of black saturation and > its amazing what shows up. > Another is to move it to SEPIA but I have used this trial and error > method to discover information on parish recordings that have been > through a fire so although it sounds a bit of a fiddle > it is worth the effort and a lot of fun too. As I say, I always > create a duplicate of the downloaded document and then you always have > an original.

Hi all, would SKS know of the registration or otherwise, Christening records for instance, of children born to military families overseas ? I know that sometimes there are registrations at Embassies if couples marry in other countries. Thinking of Military, but of course there are the three M's Missionary's Military and Merchants - based in Trichinopoly (Tiruchirappalli), India, child born July 1864 - LEE Eleanor Justine it is thought her parents came to NZ with the Military from thereabouts. I did find a very helpful web page 'India to New Zealand' cached, as the original web page seems to have disappeared http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/india.htm but can't find a LEE family there. Eleanor Justine married in Gisborne NZ 1882 to John ADEANE and the 'Justine' part of her name seems significant as that name has continued down through her descendants. I have access to the Ancestry.com but can't see my way around what I should be looking for. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Cheers Brenda Hamilton New Zealand