Hi Lee, When you say they're "not recorded on BDM", do you mean the online indexes at BDM Online - Historical Records (https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/)? If they would be in their 70's now, their deaths won't appear on that site until their 80th birthdays have passed - check the definition of "historical" on that site. I presume the phone directory you say you have checked is the White Pages? http://whitepages.co.nz/ It's possible, if they're still around, that they're now in some sort of elderly care facility, and in that situation it's not unusual for them to drop off the electoral rolls. You don't say where you are, Lee. Have you checked your local libraries, especially the larger central ones, for copies of past electoral rolls? Some electoral rolls are held at the New Zealand Society of Genealogists' (NZSG, http://www.genealogy.org.nz/) library, the Family Research Centre (or FRC) in Panmure, Auckland. Anyone can visit the FRC; all members can have items investigated for them through the Research Service, and all members living in NZ can borrow non-reference items. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy ***Please reply to the list. All readers please note I have no personal interest in the names mentioned here.*** lee adams said the following on 18/06/2013 5:41 p.m.: > I am trying to ascertain the address of BLODWELL last recorded in the 1981 electoral rolls as living at 273 Rangatira Road Birkenhead, Auckland. > This couple Derek and Phyllis, in their 70s now seem to have slipped out of sight. They are not recorded on BDM nor on any cemetery records or in a nation wide search of the phone directory. > Phyllis Blodwell is the closest last surviving relative of the BASKIN family I am researching. If still alive I would like to make contact with her. > If anyone has access to any 2000+ electoral roll for this area I would appreciate a look-up. > Both Derek and Phyllis were regular voters. > Many thanks Lee >

I am trying to ascertain the address of BLODWELL last recorded in the 1981 electoral rolls as living at 273 Rangatira Road Birkenhead, Auckland. This couple Derek and Phyllis, in their 70s now seem to have slipped out of sight. They are not recorded on BDM nor on any cemetery records or in a nation wide search of the phone directory. Phyllis Blodwell is the closest last surviving relative of the BASKIN family I am researching. If still alive I would like to make contact with her. If anyone has access to any 2000+ electoral roll for this area I would appreciate a look-up. Both Derek and Phyllis were regular voters. Many thanks Lee

Norman, Both the "Daily Southern Cross" and the "New Zealand Herald" reported the accident on 20 December 1867. There were also later references. See: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Ray Turner On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 01:17 +1000, norman archibald wrote: > Dear people, > I am new to the Auckland list and New Zealand research and I seek your help. > I am looking for a John WILLIS, his wife Phoebe and the 11 children who lived in a place called "Shortland Town" in the 1860`s. > According to John`s death certificate his occupation was farmer. > He died in 1867, trampled to death by a horse. > Sometime after 1867, Phoebe his wife, and a number of their children moved to Victoria. > Could someone on the list advise where I might discover whether John left a will and what I have to do to apply for a copy. > And what newspapers may have reported his death. > Also, could you also advise where I might find passenger lists of people who left for Victoria from the Auckland area in the late 1860`s. > Norman A. in Vic.

Hi Norman, "Shortland" is known as Thames these days, if I recall correctly. It's a town at the south-western end of the Coromandel Peninsular, south-east of Auckland. If there is a will to be found, you will most likely find it at Archives New Zealand (http://www.archives.govt.nz/) - take a look at their online index, Archway (http://archway.archives.govt.nz/). Not everything is listed at Archway, so if you don't find what you're looking for you may like to write to them to enquire about it. Anyone can walk into an Archives NZ office and request to view a file they hold. Files are not moved from office to office for your viewing convenience - you have to go to where it is held. Check on Archway for viewing restrictions, and if there are any there will be information there about how to get permission if it is possible. If you cannot get there yourself, someone else could visit for you. Ask on this list if you need assistance, and someone may be able to go and take photos for you. There should be no charge, as there are no entrance fees and no material costs with emailing digital photos. Alternatively, you could pay a fee to Archives NZ and they will send you a copy of the file. Newspapers can be found at PapersPast (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/). Hope this helps. :-) ***All readers please note I have no personal interest in the names mentioned here. Please reply to the list.*** Kind Regards, Wendy norman archibald said the following on 15/06/2013 3:17 a.m.: > Dear people, > I am new to the Auckland list and New Zealand research and I seek your help. > I am looking for a John WILLIS, his wife Phoebe and the 11 children who lived in a place called "Shortland Town" in the 1860`s. > According to John`s death certificate his occupation was farmer. > He died in 1867, trampled to death by a horse. > Sometime after 1867, Phoebe his wife, and a number of their children moved to Victoria. > Could someone on the list advise where I might discover whether John left a will and what I have to do to apply for a copy. > And what newspapers may have reported his death. > Also, could you also advise where I might find passenger lists of people who left for Victoria from the Auckland area in the late 1860`s. > Norman A. in Vic. >

Dear people, I am new to the Auckland list and New Zealand research and I seek your help. I am looking for a John WILLIS, his wife Phoebe and the 11 children who lived in a place called "Shortland Town" in the 1860`s. According to John`s death certificate his occupation was farmer. He died in 1867, trampled to death by a horse. Sometime after 1867, Phoebe his wife, and a number of their children moved to Victoria. Could someone on the list advise where I might discover whether John left a will and what I have to do to apply for a copy. And what newspapers may have reported his death. Also, could you also advise where I might find passenger lists of people who left for Victoria from the Auckland area in the late 1860`s. Norman A. in Vic.

Hi John, I was not telling you that you couldn't post your query to this list - only the list admin has the right to tell you that, and I'm not the admin of this list, as I said before. But I did want you to know that there may be a better place to ask your questions. I do hope you got past the first part of my previous post, and have considered the rest of it. If you have any questions about the suggestions I made, please don't hesitate to post to the list and ask them, so that I and anyone else here can help you with them. As before, all responses should come to the list, not to me privately. Wendy

Hi John Another thought. Since Elizabeth was the niece of William Dorn you would already know his parents names? If not, why not research Elizabeth's father - he might be easier to track? Regards Lyn In Oz. Snip . Ernest E Meyers > married Elizabeth Dorn, the niece of William Dorn. > In closing, I apologise to any readers whose time I have wasted. > Two emails have been very. Very helpful and I thanks those concerned. > Cheers > John Meyers > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In response to Wendy Howard's questions and statements about my earlier post. I mentioned Nelson in my request. I felt that Auckland would be a good place to start as previously this site's readers have been incredibly helpful. My links with NZ are via Auckland as it was the place of marriage of my GGF Henry Solomon Meyers to Matilda lewis and the birthplace of my GF Ernest Edward Meyers. Ernest E Meyers married Elizabeth Dorn, the niece of William Dorn. In closing, I apologise to any readers whose time I have wasted. Two emails have been very. Very helpful and I thanks those concerned. Cheers John Meyers

Hi John, I can't fathom why you've written to the Auckland mailing list when you've not mentioned that location at all in your post, but perhaps there's a connection you've yet to reveal? If there's no connection to Auckland, you may like to ask your questions somewhere where they're on-topic, such as the New Zealand mailing list - http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NZL/NEW-ZEALAND.html I'm not the admin for this list; this is a suggestion only. Anyway, go to https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/ to find out what data *should* have been collected at the time, and what should appear on a legal certificate. Note that not everything makes it to the certificate, which is one of the reasons why it's recommended that you get the printout for family history purposes. If the informant for the death registration didn't know the information that is asked for, you won't find it there. Simple as that. You can't give what you don't have. You could try PapersPast (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/) for any mention of your man with his wife. Or was he buried in the same plot as her, or in the same cemetery? Can you find him in the electoral rolls living with his wife? Passenger lists? Hope this helps. All readers please not - I have no personal interest in the names mentioned in this thread, and all replies should be sent to the list. Kind Regards, Wendy Lyn said the following on 26/04/2013 11:46 a.m.: > Hi John > > Would he have been the conductor of the Christchurch Garrison Band? Perhaps > they might have records - perhaps they had some kind of obit in their > newsletter or something. Have you looked at shipping records? Sometimes they > have good details, sometimes not. You seem unsure where he married - If you > could find this record, it would give you his father's name in most cases. I > couldn't see an obit in the newspapers but I see he is buried at WAKAPUAKA. > I wonder if anything might be on his headstone, if he has one? Who was the > informant on his death certificate? Are they related? I am not sure how much > detail is on a NZ birth certificate but if you can find one for a child of > his then it may have date and place of marriage of parents. > > Regards > > Lyn > In Oz. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Meyers >> Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 9:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] finding DORN in Nelson >> >> Have just received death certificate for relative William >> Dorn dod 5.5.1900 in Nelson. The Official certificate >> provides nothing about parents, spouse where born etc. It is >> important that I find these details as William was born on >> Island of Jersey or married there according to Jersey records. >> Please help me in looking for more effective sources? >> >> >> >> John Meyers >> >> Port Macquarie >> >> New South Wales

Hi John Would he have been the conductor of the Christchurch Garrison Band? Perhaps they might have records - perhaps they had some kind of obit in their newsletter or something. Have you looked at shipping records? Sometimes they have good details, sometimes not. You seem unsure where he married - If you could find this record, it would give you his father's name in most cases. I couldn't see an obit in the newspapers but I see he is buried at WAKAPUAKA. I wonder if anything might be on his headstone, if he has one? Who was the informant on his death certificate? Are they related? I am not sure how much detail is on a NZ birth certificate but if you can find one for a child of his then it may have date and place of marriage of parents. Regards Lyn In Oz. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Meyers > Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 9:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] finding DORN in Nelson > > Have just received death certificate for relative William > Dorn dod 5.5.1900 in Nelson. The Official certificate > provides nothing about parents, spouse where born etc. It is > important that I find these details as William was born on > Island of Jersey or married there according to Jersey records. > Please help me in looking for more effective sources? > > > > John Meyers > > Port Macquarie > > New South Wales > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have just received death certificate for relative William Dorn dod 5.5.1900 in Nelson. The Official certificate provides nothing about parents, spouse where born etc. It is important that I find these details as William was born on Island of Jersey or married there according to Jersey records. Please help me in looking for more effective sources? John Meyers Port Macquarie New South Wales

Many thanks for the immediate response to my Curline request John Meyers

Hi John   If you check the Auckland Museum Cenotaph site, there are 3 Curlines there - I think only one is "yours".   http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/SearchResults.aspx?Page=1&c_surname_search=curline   Also suggest you check out the National Library "Papers Past" website (google them) and see what you can turn up - it may be that there is mention of one or all of the brothers there.   Cheers - and good luck! Karen

The NZ Curline family in my tree includes Harold James. It looks like three brothers died in 1916 in the Somme. Can someone please help me find more details? James Luke Curline is their father. He married Beatrice Hill in 1894 but no other details apart from three boys Henry (1895) , Harold (1896) and Basil (1897). Dont have any Dorothy listed. Another question. Are there any links to living Curline family members on this list? Registration Number <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fdea thSelect.m%3Fsort%3Dnatno#matches> Family Name <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fdea thSelect.m%3Fsort%3Ddsur%24bdsur%24#matches> Given Name(s) <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fdea thSelect.m%3Fsort%3Ddfirst%24bdfirst%24#matches> Date of Birth/ <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fdea thSelect.m%3Fsort%3Dbdatet%24ageatdea%24%7CIGNORE%3DNR#matches> Age at Death 1902/583 Curline Keziah 41Y Order Product <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth%26key%3D1902%2F583> 1916/8744 Curline James Luke Durant 47Y Order Product <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth%26key%3D1916%2F8744> 1918/21390 Curline Albert Edward NR Order Product <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth%26key%3D1918%2F21390> 1918/21391 Curline Harold James NR Order Product <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth%26key%3D1918%2F21391> 1918/21392 Curline Henry Newton NR Order Product <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth%26key%3D1918%2F21392> 1922/983 Curline Dorothy 30Y Order Product <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth%26key%3D1922%2F983> < Start | Prev| 1 | Next | End > Printer Friendly Page (current) <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ResourceHandler.aspx?Path=%2Fp rintFriendly.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth> Printer Friendly Page (all) <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ResourceHandler.aspx?Path=%2Fp rintFriendly.m%3FReportName%3Dnzdth%26PrintAll%3D1> John Meyers Port Macquarie

  Mike   Some points to ponder -   1) BUCK - he is listed in wikipedia under his Maori name as Te Rangi Hiroa - 1877-1951 -  www.en.wikipedia.org  - the entry says he returned to NZ after WW1, but a footnote refers to an entry in Te Ara, the Encyclopedia of NZ by SORRENSON - this has his date of death as 1 December 1951 in Honolulu, and says his ashes (and the ashes of his wife Margaret, who died later ) are scattered at Okoki, near Urenui, in Taranaki; the footnotes also refer to 3 other works of a biographical nature (- perhaps available to you through your library system  ?)   I think theres a good chance his wife died in NZ - if so, then I agree with Wendy >> look for the death certificate + Probate + check Electoral Rolls   He's a very well-known and respected figure in NZ history - I would guess the Library or Museum in Taranaki would be of assistance - I think they are - Puke Ariki in New Plymouth - www.pukeariki.com   2) death certificate - I take it your mention of a "permit"  refers to the NZ igovt ID - this is fully explained on the BDM site - www.dia.govt.nz > births deaths and marriages > get a death certificate > how to apply  -  in brief this means that if you want to order online a certificate for a death that is less than 50 years ago, then you must have the approved ID; OTHERWISE - (1) you can apply by post + use the Form BDM93D (- which is available to download), OR (2) you can get someione in NZ to order for you (- who can use the igovt ID or the Form)   Good luck   Regards Stephen ////--- On Thu, 21/3/13, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] re Tracing survivors of NZ lines. Date: Thursday, 21, March, 2013, 3:57 PM An example: Sir Peter Henry Buck, (1877-1951) b. Urenui, NZ Director Bernice Bishop Museum, Honolulu from about 1936 to 1951. How can I determine if he had children, their names and dates, and if extant, at least a snail mail address? If children deceased, how about grandchildren? another Gilmour, Arthur Oswald Michael (1919-1999) b. Invercargill. Among other occupations, was a pathologist  at Auckland Hospital in the early 1940s(?) has a son named Robert, also an MD. Apparently extant. How do I sort out the three Robert Gilmours, and get at least snail mail address? Suggestions appreciated. And, if someone could direct me to a primer on NZ BMD data, and explain to me the permit the NZ records office wants to see -- which does not seem to be available without an NZ passport -- I'd be obliged. Thanks. Mike in California

Hi Mike, "Sir Peter Henry Buck, (1877-1951) b. Urenui ... How can I determine if he had children, their names and dates, and if extant, at least a snail mail address?" Where did Sir Peter die? If it was New Zealand, you could order a copy of his death printout, which should list the age and sex of any children who survived him. If he died elsewhere and their data doesn't record this, perhaps his wife died in New Zealand? See BDM Online - Historical Records (https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/) for "historical" records. More recent events can be found on the older annual microfiche indexes, which you'll find in genealogy societies and libraries around New Zealand. I don't know where you might find them in California, sorry. You can purchase copies of registrations on that site. Be sure to get the printout, not the legal certificate, for family history purposes. (I explain why at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND/2010-04/1272342580) Do check at https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/ to see exactly what information should have been gathered at the time of the event. Some of the earlier registrations (such as marriages before 1880) don't contain sufficient data to be considered useful to us family historians, so it may be a waste of money to buy a copy. If you don't want to order online, or are dealing with more recent events that aren't on the historical site and don't have an iGovt registration, you can order via ordinary mail - go to Births, Deaths & Marriages (BDM, http://www.bdm.govt.nz/) and locate the appropriate form. Print the form, complete it with what you know, and send it off with your payment. You can also call and place an order over the phone. If you are a member of the New Zealand Society of Genealogists (NZSG, http://www.genealogy.org.nz/)enquire at their Certificates Collection before making purchases at BDM. If they're holding what you're looking for, it is much cheaper. They also have a free Research Service for members, which could be useful for looking up resources (such as the microfiche) that you can't access yourself, and a useful data CD that is available only to members (the Kiwi Index). So, say you have that death registration and it lists surviving children ("living issue"). Calculate the approximate birth year (year of father's death minus age of child), and if it's too recent for the historical site you need to look at the microfiche indexes for likely candidates. Assuming they were born in New Zealand, of course. The death registration won't tell you if they were born overseas, it's (supposed to be) just age and sex. Something the microfiche will tell you, for births and deaths but not marriages, that you won't get from the historical site is the office at which the event was registered. You do this by taking the folio number for the event and looking up the District Key. You will find that on either the first or last fiche for the year (it varied), or in the booklets that NZSG produced to make it easier for lookups. If you knew where your family was at the time of a birth, and you can locate a likely candidate in the indexes, then you could then go to the electoral rolls to look for the adults in the household registered to vote. Women have had the right to enrol in New Zealand since 1893. NZSG has some years available on CD, otherwise you could go to Ancestry and look there (find a library nearby with a subscription if you don't have one yourself). Some years are indexed there, some aren't. "... If children deceased, how about grandchildren?" That starts to get trickier, the closer you get to today, as there are not the same records online, and even the microfiche end at 1990. I suggest you start by seeing if someone else already knows what you're looking for - put what you know (names and dates) in a tree online and see what comes of it. The three sites I use are: Ancestry My Heritage Genes Reunited It's free at all of these sites to put up a tree and have others discover your names (or matches to it). My Heritage in particular is great for matching data with other trees ("Smart Matches") and connecting you to the people who own those trees. You may be lucky and find someone who knows what you're looking for and is willing to share what they know - either through their online tree or by exchanging emails. You may need to pay the site's subscription to make contact with other people, but hold off on paying until you've got a match that looks interesting - might as well do what you can for free first! "Gilmour, Arthur Oswald Michael (1919-1999) b. Invercargill. Among other occupations, was a pathologist at Auckland Hospital in the early 1940s(?) has a son named Robert, also an MD. Apparently extant. How do I sort out the three Robert Gilmours, and get at least snail mail address?" Where did you find these three Roberts? It might help if we knew where you found your information. You may find a probate for your man at Archway (http://archway.archives.govt.nz/), the online index for Archives New Zealand (http://www.archives.govt.nz/). Anyone can walk into an Archives NZ office and request to view a file they hold. Files are not moved from office to office for your viewing convenience - you have to go to where it is held. Check on Archway for viewing restrictions, and if there are any there will be information there about how to get permission if it is possible. If you cannot get there yourself, someone else could visit for you. Ask on this list if you need assistance, and someone may be able to go and take photos for you. There should be no charge, as there are no entrance fees and no material costs with emailing digital photos. Alternatively, you could pay a fee to Archives NZ and they will send you a copy of the file. If you have a name of someone living, you may find them in the local phone book - http://whitepages.co.nz/ "...if someone could direct me to a primer on NZ BMD data" Read the information on the historical BDM site - there's a lot there to take in. And keep asking questions here so we can help you further. There's a book "New Zealand Beginner's Guide to Family History Research", which you can purchase on the NZSG web site - https://www.genealogy.org.nz/Sales_11.aspx?CategoryId=61 that will tell you a lot about New Zealand records. It was written before the advent of genealogy-on-the-web, but still relevant today. "...and explain to me the permit the NZ records office wants to see..." What permit, what "records office"? More detail, please. I have a copy of "Honoured by the Queen - New Zealand - 1953 to 1993", compiled, edited and with text by Alister Taylor and Deborah Coddington, here. Sir Peter BUCK is not listed, Dr Arthur Oswald Michael GILMOUR is only listed with an OBE awarded in 1977. It was worth a try - there are some great biographies in that book. One last suggestion - you've posted another query to the New Zealand list. Stick to one list, so that people who are likely to help have all the information you have to share. I didn't reply to those posts on the other list because I didn't think I had anything to share for those particular questions you were asking, but the information you shared there has influenced how I responded here, knowing a bit more about what you're looking for. Others who saw your posts on the other list but don't read this one may have something to share in relation to this post, but they've missed it. The New Zealand list is one of the most helpful ones I've come across, and I suspect has more subscribers than this one, though that's a guess since I have no access to the membership list of either; it's certainly the busier list, in any case. Just a suggestion, something to think about. Hope this helps. :-) *** All readers please note that I have no connection to the names mentioned here. Do not write to me personally about them or other matters discussed here as I will not answer - post to the mailing list please. *** Kind Regards, Wendy

Hello Mike. I am NOT a Kiwi, and don't live there, and do not consider myself to know anything at all about Kiwi genealogy. Hopefully you will receive lots of valuable replies from those who do know about such things intimately. My quick response is this: 1. GOOGLE for each name. The results from that process might astound you. 2. Join the NZ Genealogical Association/Society. I expect that they would be a wonderful first port of call for info. Kiwis are an extremely friendly and helpful people. It is quite likely that they might have someone amongst their membership who would be happy to do some local research for you. 3. BUCK: a. Contact the Bishop Museum in Honolulu. They might have a lot of info. b. Contact the Library of Hawaii -- or whatever its correct title is -- just up the road from the Bishop Museum, which used to have a large genealogy area when I used it a LONG time ago. c. Look in available online newspapers -- like Papers Past in NZ. d. You have provided a death year, if you can narrow that down to an exact date; and THEN look in relevant newspapers -- in NZ and in Honolulu for an Obituary, as well as for death and funeral and probate notices -- they might all provide info to help find descendants. e. The Auckland Library used to have card indexes which might have details on him and his family. f. The Auckland Museum might have info. g. Kiwi academic journals might have articles on him. A university library might have access to databases to help you. 4. GILMOUR: a. Search for an NZ Medical Association. Doctors had to be registered -- probably with a government medical body -- or perhaps through a Medical Association. Either/both should have details on both the father and the son. As the father is dead, they might provide you with information on him. Regarding the son, if you send them the request, they might forward to him a note from you, so that they are not breaching his privacy. b. Again, Papers Past (not sure of its cut-off date) might help. HTH. ray in oz On 21/03/2013, at 12:57 PM, [email protected] wrote: An example: Sir Peter Henry Buck, (1877-1951) b. Urenui, NZ Director Bernice Bishop Museum, Honolulu from about 1936 to 1951. How can I determine if he had children, their names and dates, and if extant, at least a snail mail address? If children deceased, how about grandchildren? another Gilmour, Arthur Oswald Michael (1919-1999) b. Invercargill. Among other occupations, was a pathologist at Auckland Hospital in the early 1940s(?) has a son named Robert, also an MD. Apparently extant. How do I sort out the three Robert Gilmours, and get at least snail mail address? Suggestions appreciated. And, if someone could direct me to a primer on NZ BMD data, and explain to me the permit the NZ records office wants to see -- which does not seem to be available without an NZ passport -- I'd be obliged. Thanks. Mike in California

Thanks to all. It'll take a few days to absorb and try suggestions. Appreciate your help. Mike in California

An example: Sir Peter Henry Buck, (1877-1951) b. Urenui, NZ Director Bernice Bishop Museum, Honolulu from about 1936 to 1951. How can I determine if he had children, their names and dates, and if extant, at least a snail mail address? If children deceased, how about grandchildren? another Gilmour, Arthur Oswald Michael (1919-1999) b. Invercargill. Among other occupations, was a pathologist  at Auckland Hospital in the early 1940s(?) has a son named Robert, also an MD. Apparently extant. How do I sort out the three Robert Gilmours, and get at least snail mail address? Suggestions appreciated. And, if someone could direct me to a primer on NZ BMD data, and explain to me the permit the NZ records office wants to see -- which does not seem to be available without an NZ passport -- I'd be obliged. Thanks. Mike in California

Mike in California, welcome you will find we are a friendly and helpful lot. Can you please give us NAMES - possible immigration dates and so on. Thank you Brenda Hamilton New Zealand On 17/03/2013, at 12:30 PM, Michael Elliot-Jones wrote: > Hello, > I'm a newbie here although I've been on UK lists for several years. > I need some direction in how to go about tracking NZ lines forward to > locate living descendants. I have run into the hurdles when trying to > obtain access to NZ birth records -- NZ passport for a permit it > seems. As I do not have such, I'd appreciate some advice. > Thanks > Mike in California > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >