Wendy, the links and the thoughts which you have posted are valuable. However I disagree with you about multiple-posting to lists. THIS is the ONLY NZ list to which I am su bscribed. I have a very peripheral interest in BOOTHMANs whom I know absolutely nothing about, on my wife's side, a long way back, in England. If Lyn had followed your advice and posted to any other ONE NZ list, and received a satisfactory answer from there, I might never have seen her posting; until many years hence, when I MIGHT get around to conducting a search of all rootsweb lists trying to find mention of the surname. And IF I had been subscribed to all of those NZ lists to which she posted the question, then I would see them all arranged in a row in my inbox, and know that I could quickly and easily delete all except the first one -- after a quick check of the second one to confirm that it was identical to the first. As in most things in life, we all see the world differently. I am merely expressing my contrary opinion in the interests of helping empathy along a little. I enjoy this list greatly, and if you are the list admin, then I thank you for hosting such a friendly list, which I recently promoted on one of my Irish lists for its friendly helpfulness. Regards: Ray in oz > Wendy Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Lyn, ... Firstly, a heads'-up - it isn't a good idea to post the same request to > multiple boards all at once. Pick one, ask your questions and wait a > while for replies to come in; give people a chance to see your post and > reply if they wish. If you're not satisfied, pick another some time > later and ask again. > > It can be very frustrating to read one list, reply where you can help, > and then go to another list where the exact same questions have been > asked. Are all the same people reading both lists, so will everyone at > the second list have seen the first? Mailing lists aren't all about one > > person, one question; they're about sharing information in a place where > > many can learn from the exchange. > > Mailing lists also have specific topics. Please check that the list > you're about to post to is relevant to your query, and if it isn't, find > > one that is. If the connection to the list's topic isn't obvious in > your post, it's a good idea to explain why you chose that list and what > the connection is. > > There's a learning curve to negotiate when you start a new venture, so > don't be put off by this. Look around and learn what you can from the > information provided on-screen, and ask the list administrator directly > if you have any questions about what you can and can't post - you can > contact any Rootsweb list administrator (owner) by writing to > [email protected] (where "listname" is the EXACT name of the > particular mailing list, eg [email protected] for the KiwiGen > list, or [email protected] for the New Zealand list). > > Off my little "hobby-horse", and on to what we're here for... :-)

I have information which I am trying to verify about John Boothman, maybe wife Emma, who with 3 of their children went to live in NZ in the mid 1890's. John may have died in NZ. I have information that the children married in NZ - Elizabeth Boothman married John Pearson Horton in 1904, and had a son William Horton born in 1908. Sophia Boothman married a Peter Henry McIntosh in 1906. David Boothman married an Ethel May Glass in 1917. Any help would be much appreciated. Lyn

Hello Wendy, Thank you for your very helpful reply. Trouble is I don't know which port John Robertson or Mary Crowther arrived just that they married in Auckland. I'll keep soldiering on, Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Robertson/Crowther > Hi Jenny, > >> A pioneer register for Shoalhaven, NSW has John ROBERTSON, b.1830, >> Glasgow, Scotland, marrying Mary CROWTHER, b.c.1832, in Auckland on 17 >> Jun 1851. Can somebody confirm this actually happened& confirm this date >> for me please? >> > > At BDM Online - Historical Records > (https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/) there is a marriage > listed in 1851 for a Mary CROWTHER, where there is no groom's name > listed (registration 1851/154). Very odd, it seems, until you realise > that marriages in New Zealand weren't under government control until > 1855 (with the implementation of the Marriage Act 1854). > > You can purchase copies of registrations on that site. Be sure to get > the printout, not the legal certificate, for family history purposes. > (I explain why at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND/2010-04/1272342580). > I don't know what their pre-1855 record will show - you may like to make > enquiries before purchasing from there. Certainly, the earliest > marriages in New Zealand didn't record parents' names, so are of limited > use for family history research. > > I have the NZSG CD "New Zealand Marriages 1836-1956" > (http://www.genealogy.org.nz/Sales_11.aspx?CategoryId=11) here, and it > lists a marriage between a Mary CROWTHER and John ROBERTSON which took > place in 1851-1852 (folio 0031). It is likely referring to the same > record as the one at BDM, but we can't tell from here for sure. > > If you are a member of the New Zealand Society of Genealogists (NZSG, > http://www.genealogy.org.nz/) you should enquire with their "Pre-1856 > Marriage Collection" officer about this marriage. Also, don't forget to > check with their Certificates Collection before making any purchases > from BDM - it's much cheaper, and a good use of your society membership. > >> Also is there an Isaiah CROWTHER& Jane, his wife& daughter, Mary >> CROWTHER, on the shipping from Bradford, Yorkshire, UK before 1851? > > To which port? Keep in mind that you've posted to a mailing list > dedicated to Auckland connections; it may be more appropriate to post to > the Rootsweb New Zealand mailing list > (http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NZL/NEW-ZEALAND.html) for > assistance. > > My favourite sites for shipping, in no particular order, are: > > Denise & Peter's "Our Stuff" > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/) > Olwyn's "NZ Bound" > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/) > Gavin's "Ships to NZ" > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shipstonz/) > Corey's "Yesteryears" (http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/) > Ancestors On Board (http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/) > Public Record Office Victoria (http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/) > > You may find something on your people at one of these. > > Hope this helps. :-) > > Kind Regards, > Wendy Howard > > **I have no personal interest in the name(s) mentioned here** > *** Please reply to the list *** > -- > Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand > http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wendyh65/ > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jenny, > A pioneer register for Shoalhaven, NSW has John ROBERTSON, b.1830, Glasgow, Scotland, marrying Mary CROWTHER, b.c.1832, in Auckland on 17 Jun 1851. Can somebody confirm this actually happened& confirm this date for me please? > At BDM Online - Historical Records (https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/) there is a marriage listed in 1851 for a Mary CROWTHER, where there is no groom's name listed (registration 1851/154). Very odd, it seems, until you realise that marriages in New Zealand weren't under government control until 1855 (with the implementation of the Marriage Act 1854). You can purchase copies of registrations on that site. Be sure to get the printout, not the legal certificate, for family history purposes. (I explain why at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND/2010-04/1272342580). I don't know what their pre-1855 record will show - you may like to make enquiries before purchasing from there. Certainly, the earliest marriages in New Zealand didn't record parents' names, so are of limited use for family history research. I have the NZSG CD "New Zealand Marriages 1836-1956" (http://www.genealogy.org.nz/Sales_11.aspx?CategoryId=11) here, and it lists a marriage between a Mary CROWTHER and John ROBERTSON which took place in 1851-1852 (folio 0031). It is likely referring to the same record as the one at BDM, but we can't tell from here for sure. If you are a member of the New Zealand Society of Genealogists (NZSG, http://www.genealogy.org.nz/) you should enquire with their "Pre-1856 Marriage Collection" officer about this marriage. Also, don't forget to check with their Certificates Collection before making any purchases from BDM - it's much cheaper, and a good use of your society membership. > Also is there an Isaiah CROWTHER& Jane, his wife& daughter, Mary CROWTHER, on the shipping from Bradford, Yorkshire, UK before 1851? To which port? Keep in mind that you've posted to a mailing list dedicated to Auckland connections; it may be more appropriate to post to the Rootsweb New Zealand mailing list (http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NZL/NEW-ZEALAND.html) for assistance. My favourite sites for shipping, in no particular order, are: Denise & Peter's "Our Stuff" (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/) Olwyn's "NZ Bound" (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/) Gavin's "Ships to NZ" (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shipstonz/) Corey's "Yesteryears" (http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/) Ancestors On Board (http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/) Public Record Office Victoria (http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/) You may find something on your people at one of these. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard **I have no personal interest in the name(s) mentioned here** *** Please reply to the list *** -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wendyh65/ <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/>

Messrs Thomas COOK and Son (Mr F. SUTTON, NAPIER representative) have lately booked - Mr Jas. PLOWMAN and Mr J.C. WESTALL for LONDON by the Orient Company's Oroya. Mr Sadd COUREY for COLOMBO by the North German line Mr Arthur S. BAKER, for LONDON, by the Orient Company's Orient. Miss LEETE, Mr H. MORTON, and Miss HANNA, by the same company's Oruba. Mr and Mrs W.G. MARTIN for LONDON, by the same company's Ormez Mr E.C. PARDOE by the N.Z.s. company's Kaikoura.

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Hello, This is a new posting. I need help please? A pioneer register for Shoalhaven, NSW has John ROBERTSON, b.1830, Glasgow, Scotland, marrying Mary CROWTHER, b.c.1832, in Auckland on 17 Jun 1851. Can somebody confirm this actually happened & confirm this date for me please? Also is there an Isaiah CROWTHER & Jane, his wife & daughter, Mary CROWTHER, on the shipping from Bradford, Yorkshire, UK before 1851? Thank you in advance, Jenny AUS

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Judy SHIPPING NEWS: Port of Napier Passenger arrivals - Feb. 12 - Waihora, s.s., from Southern ports. Passengers - Mesdames DUNCAN, ALLEN, and SIMS Misses BLYTH, POWER, MOUNTFORT and SMITH Messrs M'LAREN, HAZLETT, SIMS, BEAVER, and KNIGHT 3 steerage. Passenger departures - Feb. 12 - Waihora, s.s., for Northern ports and SYDNEY. Passengers - Mesdames BISHOP, M'HUGH, FORD and 2 children, M'HARDY, child and nurse, WILLIAMS (2), JAMES, GRUNDY, KIDSON, MORRISON, and MERRETT Misses NOLMES, ELIS, HEWSON, REYNOLDS, LAPDEL, WILLIAMS, BURTON, ORMSTON, and HARFORD Messrs FEA, FELDWICK, ROBSON, BISHOP, SMITH, THOMSON, HALLEY, TALBOT, HAWKINS, WAKELIN, JOHNSTON, LORIGAN, WILSON, SCHATZ, and HUMPHREYS Masters KING (2) and RICHARDSON 12 steerage.

----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Weller To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: HB Herald, Fri. Feb. 12, 1897 SHIPPING NEWS: Passenger arrivals - Feb. 11 - Dingadee, s.s., from Northern ports. Passengers - Mrs DODGAHUN Misses WALLIS (3), and DODGAHUN Messrs DODGAHUN, BUDD, CHAMBERS, ROBERTSON, GIBB, HILL, COTTERILL, and John FULLER and Company; 5 natives 4 steerage Feb. 11 - Anglia, s.s., from Northern ports and SYDNEY. Passengers - Mesdames NICHOLLS, WATSON and child, and DILLON Misses SMITH, ANDREWS, EMERSON, and MALCOLM Messrs St. HILL, CATTANACH, STEELE, THOMAS, WRIGHT, BARRY, SHERWOOD, WELSMAN, LOGAN, BOAR, GOLDSMITH, FERGUSON, REID, IRVINE, COLLISON, and BLACKWOOD 7 steerage.

SHIPPING NEWS: PORT OF NAPIER Passenger departures - Feb. 9 - Te Anu, s.s., for GISBORNE and AUCKLAND. Passengers - Mesdames PONSFORD, BICKNELL, CARO, M'LEAN, and WILLIAMS Miss BRATHWAITE Messrs GOLDSMITH, CAHILL, HOLLAND, BREWER, PIRIE, FRANKLYN, WILLIAMS, WARNOCK, ELLIS, FENWICK, and THOMAS. Captain EAST 20 steerage.

TELEGRAPHIC SHIPPING - AUCKLAND, Monday. Sailed - Anglian, for South. Passengers for NAPIER - Mrs DUMPRE Miss WATSON and child Messrs VARLEY, STEELE, WRIGHT, M'LEAN, WEISMAN, and BARRY

SHIPPING NEWS: PORT OF NAPIER Passenger arrivals - Feb. 8 - Flora, s.s., from Northern ports. Passengers - Mesdames KENNEDY and child, SCOTT, WILEY and infant, EBBETT; Misses KERR, CLARK, BRUCE (2), MARION, ORR, DRUMMOND; Messrs BENNETT, ORR, KENNEDY, WILEY, EBBETT, HUXTABLE, MUSTER, PETTIGREW, ROCHFORT; 12 steerage. Passenger departures - Feb. 8 - Flora, s.s., for Southern ports. Passengers - Mesdames READING, JUDGE; Misses BONNINGTON, M'LEAN, NIVES, BACARRETT (2), CHRYSTAL; Messrs JUDGE, HALSTEAD, HORTON, COOPER, BRANDON (2), NEVILLE, MULBURN; Master WOODHOUSE; 7 steerage.

Constable STEPHENSON, of TAUPO, returns to NAPIER shortly. He will be relieved by Constable RYAN, of AUCKLAND. Constable BRADLEY, with J.S. JONES in custody (wife desertion), is a passenger by this week's steamer from HOBART. The Rev. J.G. PATERSON, of St. Paul's, leaves shortly on a six weeks' well-earned holiday, which will be spent in INVERCARGILL.

The following inquiries for missing friends are from Lloyd's Weekly for December 20th:- BLUHDORN and M'MANORS (Catherine and Ellen-HOLLINGSWORTH), of COUNTY WINKLOW, went to NEW ZEALAND 39 years ago; last wrote from SYDNEY 16 years since. Brother John asks. GILDERS (Martin and Eliza) are sought by Violet WRIGHT. Martin is supposed to be in NEW ZEALAND or AUSTRALIA. Eliza (his mother) left ST. OSYTH, ESSEX, for LONDON, two years ago. HOPKINS (Elizabeth) left BALTONS-BOROUGH, SOMERSETSHIRE, for NEW ZEALAND in 1877. Mother asks. WHITE (John E.W.) left BRIDGE HOUSE, DEPTFORD, for NEW ZEALAND, in January, 1888. Parents ask.

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