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Hi Ray Your comments are probably spot on. Many thanks

Thank you Ray, that is very kind of you, I was really touched with the help that those ladies gave my great grandmother and I sincerely would like to get into contact with any of their descendants. Where are your BROWNLIE's from ? I will let you know if I hear from anyone. Cheers Brenda Hamilton New Zealand On 12/08/2010, at 1:49 AM, Ray wrote: > Hello Brenda. > I am not able to help you with any of this, but wanted to let you > know that > I am forwarding this note onto the rootsweb BROWNLEE list (which > also covers > BROWNLIE -- one of my own families, but not as far as I know > connected with > your Lanarkshire BROWNLIEs.) > > It sounds like some marvellous work which you are involved in there, > and I > wish you all the best with it, and hope that my posting of it onto the > BROWNLEE list, might also bring forth some family assistance or > connections > for you. > > Kind regards: Ray in oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> > > ... I have been, with the grateful assistance of others, > transcribing the >> Inquest notes of my Great Grandmother Bethea (Bertha) GEMMELL nee >> BROWNLIE, wife of William GEMMELL, both of Scotland. An Inquest was >> held because of the sudden death of a previously healthy young woman. >> The notes were obtained under the NZ 'Freedom of Information Act' and >> when arrived the background was black and the writing in white, >> handwritten, obviously quickly noted down as people spoke and very >> difficult to read. My Great Grandfather stated that he had been away >> for about six weeks working in Oamaru and he was told of his wife's >> illness by notices being nailed to the trees to tell the men that if >> they saw 'Bill GEMMELL', (William Gemmell) to tell him to go home >> because his wife was very ill / dying. >> >> It would be very nice to contact descendants of, in particular, two >> women who had assisted Bethea in her time of great need before she >> died at Mosgiel, Otago aged 30 years old and they must have also >> helped with her children as my Grandmother Bethea Marguerite GEMMELL >> (later STRONG) was only a baby of four months old at the time, her >> older siblings, Jean/Jane GEMMELL (later COPPINS) was 5yrs old, her >> brother David who was 4yrs old and sister Mary (later FOSTER) was >> 2yrs >> old. The family are very grateful to these women who were probably >> busy with their own families at the time but were kind enough to care >> for the children and Bertha. Bethea BROWNLIE was born 1st Feb 1888 >> in >> ‘Waddell’s Land, New Dundyvan’ Old Monkland Lanark Scotland; parents >> Claude BROWNLIE & Jean/Jane BLACK,; married William GEMMELL April >> 1882 >> Glasgow, Scotland and died 16th June 1888 Mosgiel, Otago New Zealand. >> >> 1. Jeannette KIRK, wife of Norman KIRK who stated she 'lived next >> door'. >> 2. Elizabeth PEARSON, wife of Robert PEARSON, who states that she >> 'lived near' to my Bertha. >> 3. Stewart PETERS, a 'Perpetual' Medical Student not yet qualified. >> 4. Doctor William ALLAN a Medical Doctor who was good enough to >> review >> the statements made at the Inquest and give his expert opinion on the >> cause of her death. >> 5. Edgar Hall CAREW, the Coroner >> The men on the Jury "Good and lawful men of the nieghbourhood, duly >> chosen" who found that she had died by 'Visitation of God' - almost >> certainly Septecaemia from dental problems) >> 6. John Hardie MURCOCH Forman of the Jury >> The rest of the men on the Jury. >> 7. William THOMPSON >> 8. John BROWN >> 9. Richard CHURTON >> 10. James DAVIDSON >> 11. John ? HODGE >> Another name that is incidental, is the chemist that Bertha obtained >> some medicine from, a Mr LEARY I think, the writing is hard to read. >> >> Would love to hear from any descendants of the above or any family >> connections. >> Kind regards, >> Brenda >> Hamilton New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hello Brenda. I am not able to help you with any of this, but wanted to let you know that I am forwarding this note onto the rootsweb BROWNLEE list (which also covers BROWNLIE -- one of my own families, but not as far as I know connected with your Lanarkshire BROWNLIEs.) It sounds like some marvellous work which you are involved in there, and I wish you all the best with it, and hope that my posting of it onto the BROWNLEE list, might also bring forth some family assistance or connections for you. Kind regards: Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda MacCulloch" <[email protected]> ... I have been, with the grateful assistance of others, transcribing the > Inquest notes of my Great Grandmother Bethea (Bertha) GEMMELL nee > BROWNLIE, wife of William GEMMELL, both of Scotland. An Inquest was > held because of the sudden death of a previously healthy young woman. > The notes were obtained under the NZ 'Freedom of Information Act' and > when arrived the background was black and the writing in white, > handwritten, obviously quickly noted down as people spoke and very > difficult to read. My Great Grandfather stated that he had been away > for about six weeks working in Oamaru and he was told of his wife's > illness by notices being nailed to the trees to tell the men that if > they saw 'Bill GEMMELL', (William Gemmell) to tell him to go home > because his wife was very ill / dying. > > It would be very nice to contact descendants of, in particular, two > women who had assisted Bethea in her time of great need before she > died at Mosgiel, Otago aged 30 years old and they must have also > helped with her children as my Grandmother Bethea Marguerite GEMMELL > (later STRONG) was only a baby of four months old at the time, her > older siblings, Jean/Jane GEMMELL (later COPPINS) was 5yrs old, her > brother David who was 4yrs old and sister Mary (later FOSTER) was 2yrs > old. The family are very grateful to these women who were probably > busy with their own families at the time but were kind enough to care > for the children and Bertha. Bethea BROWNLIE was born 1st Feb 1888 in > ‘Waddell’s Land, New Dundyvan’ Old Monkland Lanark Scotland; parents > Claude BROWNLIE & Jean/Jane BLACK,; married William GEMMELL April 1882 > Glasgow, Scotland and died 16th June 1888 Mosgiel, Otago New Zealand. > > 1. Jeannette KIRK, wife of Norman KIRK who stated she 'lived next door'. > 2. Elizabeth PEARSON, wife of Robert PEARSON, who states that she > 'lived near' to my Bertha. > 3. Stewart PETERS, a 'Perpetual' Medical Student not yet qualified. > 4. Doctor William ALLAN a Medical Doctor who was good enough to review > the statements made at the Inquest and give his expert opinion on the > cause of her death. > 5. Edgar Hall CAREW, the Coroner > The men on the Jury "Good and lawful men of the nieghbourhood, duly > chosen" who found that she had died by 'Visitation of God' - almost > certainly Septecaemia from dental problems) > 6. John Hardie MURCOCH Forman of the Jury > The rest of the men on the Jury. > 7. William THOMPSON > 8. John BROWN > 9. Richard CHURTON > 10. James DAVIDSON > 11. John ? HODGE > Another name that is incidental, is the chemist that Bertha obtained > some medicine from, a Mr LEARY I think, the writing is hard to read. > > Would love to hear from any descendants of the above or any family > connections. > Kind regards, > Brenda > Hamilton New Zealand

Hello John. Just a thought on this. It MIGHT be that the indexes were compiled from BURIAL records, where his surname may well have been spelled as MYERS; even though the later tombstone might read MEYERS. Just guessing though. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Meyers" <[email protected]> > Wendy. Many people mispell his name but his head stone certainly states > clearly Henry Solomon MEYERS. Thank you anyway > John Meyers

Wendy. Many people mispell his name but his head stone certainly states clearly Henry Solomon MEYERS. Thank you anyway John Meyers

Hi all, I have been, with the grateful assistance of others, transcribing the Inquest notes of my Great Grandmother Bethea (Bertha) GEMMELL nee BROWNLIE, wife of William GEMMELL, both of Scotland. An Inquest was held because of the sudden death of a previously healthy young woman. The notes were obtained under the NZ 'Freedom of Information Act' and when arrived the background was black and the writing in white, handwritten, obviously quickly noted down as people spoke and very difficult to read. My Great Grandfather stated that he had been away for about six weeks working in Oamaru and he was told of his wife's illness by notices being nailed to the trees to tell the men that if they saw 'Bill GEMMELL', (William Gemmell) to tell him to go home because his wife was very ill / dying. It would be very nice to contact descendants of, in particular, two women who had assisted Bethea in her time of great need before she died at Mosgiel, Otago aged 30 years old and they must have also helped with her children as my Grandmother Bethea Marguerite GEMMELL (later STRONG) was only a baby of four months old at the time, her older siblings, Jean/Jane GEMMELL (later COPPINS) was 5yrs old, her brother David who was 4yrs old and sister Mary (later FOSTER) was 2yrs old. The family are very grateful to these women who were probably busy with their own families at the time but were kind enough to care for the children and Bertha. Bethea BROWNLIE was born 1st Feb 1888 in ‘Waddell’s Land, New Dundyvan’ Old Monkland Lanark Scotland; parents Claude BROWNLIE & Jean/Jane BLACK,; married William GEMMELL April 1882 Glasgow, Scotland and died 16th June 1888 Mosgiel, Otago New Zealand. 1. Jeannette KIRK, wife of Norman KIRK who stated she 'lived next door'. 2. Elizabeth PEARSON, wife of Robert PEARSON, who states that she 'lived near' to my Bertha. 3. Stewart PETERS, a 'Perpetual' Medical Student not yet qualified. 4. Doctor William ALLAN a Medical Doctor who was good enough to review the statements made at the Inquest and give his expert opinion on the cause of her death. 5. Edgar Hall CAREW, the Coroner The men on the Jury "Good and lawful men of the nieghbourhood, duly chosen" who found that she had died by 'Visitation of God' - almost certainly Septecaemia from dental problems) 6. John Hardie MURCOCH Forman of the Jury The rest of the men on the Jury. 7. William THOMPSON 8. John BROWN 9. Richard CHURTON 10. James DAVIDSON 11. John ? HODGE Another name that is incidental, is the chemist that Bertha obtained some medicine from, a Mr LEARY I think, the writing is hard to read. Would love to hear from any descendants of the above or any family connections. Kind regards, Brenda Hamilton New Zealand

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Hi John, > My GGGF Henry Solomon Meyers/Myers died in Auckland ... 31 Oct 1896. He is buried in the Jewish section ... In accessing the site on Monday I received a message saying no record. But he is there! Knowing that you had difficulty finding him, I searched on the given names only and there he was in the search results, Henry Solomon MYERS. Perhaps you mis-typed his name? http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard *** Please reply to the list *** -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wendyh65/ <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/>

My GGGF Henry Solomon Meyers/Myers died in Auckland tragically and as he was a member of the Jewish faith, they buried him even though most of his family lived in Sydney. Henry married in Auckland in 1867 and I now note he died 31 Oct 1896. He is buried in the Jewish section and my wife and I found his grave in 2006 and asked the same stone masons who set his head stone to repair his grave. This was done. In accessing the site on Monday I received a message saying no record. No big deal, just making a point about ease of access. John Meyers

Hi John Why or rather did you only try Waikumete - you should maybe try Auckland City Libraries website they have all the Auckland (early) one's most are at Symonds Street Cemetery I know my GGGgf and all his family are there Leone On 9 August 2010 23:06, John Meyers <[email protected]> wrote: > The details before 1886 are unavailable. My GGGF is unavailable > John Meyers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John, > The details before 1886 are unavailable. My GGGF is unavailable Is there a question here, or something you want help with? What cemetery are you talking about, and/or what is your GGGF's name? I can only guess that you're referring to Waikumete Cemetery, which was the topic of the last post to this list, which opened in 1908 according to their web site (http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/index.asp). Can we help you? Please provide details if you'd like us to attempt assisting you. Kind Regards, Wendy Howard *** Please reply to the list *** -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wendyh65/ <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/>

The details before 1886 are unavailable. My GGGF is unavailable John Meyers

Waikumete is on-line, under Waitakere Council http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx Cheers Rachel

hi all, a newly found cousin in Canada has told me that Margery THOMAS, (daughter of Alfred THOMAS and Beatrice nee WILLIS) married Gerald MARTIN and they came to New Zealand. Margery & Gerald's children (not sure if born in the UK or NZ) are: Pamela born about 1942 and Peter. Pamela's children are Ann and Lionel. Peter's children are Jason and Cameron. My cousin says that Margery visited Canada in 1976, this information is all from a hand written note. I am connected to these people through my Great Grandmother Charlotte WILLIS m. Alfred GROVE, their daughter Emily GROVE married WALTER GOULDS in Christchurch NZ 1887. Love to hear from any connections. kind regards, Brenda Hamilton New Zealand

Hi Margaret, Thanks for finding that for me. Poor boy! Papers Past is such an awesome resource! :-) Fran -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Brook Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials Hi would this connect? Try Papers Past 05 02 1851 Copy from Publication the New Zealander Coroner's Inquest. — On the 14th ult. an inquest was held at Howitlc, before Captain McDonald, on the body of a boy aged eleven years, named Peter Parker, son of a Pensioner, who Wds drownel while bathing 1 in a guHy about a mile fiom Howick,on the preceding Sunday. Verdict accordingly. Margaret ----- Original Message ---- From: Glen & Fran Bearman <[email protected]> To: SOMERS <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 12:28:07 PM Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials Hi Sandra, Thanks for those suggestions I will take a look. I recently discovered that Waikumete has put up an online search, which has made it a lot easier for those of us not in Auckland. Here's a link to the search page http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx Thanks again Fran -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SOMERS Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials Hi Fran If you 'google' Otahuhu cemetery' you can go onto the auckland city libraries www.aucklandcitylibraries.com site and search cemetery database. It keeps flicking me off tonight so can't check for you. Some of the older cemeteries of Auckland are Otahuhu, Waikaraka, Hillsborough, Waikumete (not online), and for Howick folk even some of my people are buried at Pukekohe. I've checked Purewa Cemetery and Crematorium but nothing there for your Parker people. Good luck Sandra Auckland NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen & Fran Bearman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials > Hello, > > I am trying to track burials for my ancestors from 1851. The death records > record the burial location as Auckland (no cemetery). Does anyone know > where > burials at this time would have been? I have tried Symonds Street but no > luck. Their names were Parker. Peter Parker, 1864, Peter Parker 1851, > Bridget Parker 1894. They were living in Howick as the father Peter Parker > was a fencible. Any clues would be helpful (They were Roman Catholic). > > Thanks > > Fran > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandra, Thanks for those suggestions I will take a look. I recently discovered that Waikumete has put up an online search, which has made it a lot easier for those of us not in Auckland. Here's a link to the search page http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx Thanks again Fran -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SOMERS Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials Hi Fran If you 'google' Otahuhu cemetery' you can go onto the auckland city libraries www.aucklandcitylibraries.com site and search cemetery database. It keeps flicking me off tonight so can't check for you. Some of the older cemeteries of Auckland are Otahuhu, Waikaraka, Hillsborough, Waikumete (not online), and for Howick folk even some of my people are buried at Pukekohe. I've checked Purewa Cemetery and Crematorium but nothing there for your Parker people. Good luck Sandra Auckland NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen & Fran Bearman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials > Hello, > > I am trying to track burials for my ancestors from 1851. The death records > record the burial location as Auckland (no cemetery). Does anyone know > where > burials at this time would have been? I have tried Symonds Street but no > luck. Their names were Parker. Peter Parker, 1864, Peter Parker 1851, > Bridget Parker 1894. They were living in Howick as the father Peter Parker > was a fencible. Any clues would be helpful (They were Roman Catholic). > > Thanks > > Fran > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Fran If you 'google' Otahuhu cemetery' you can go onto the auckland city libraries www.aucklandcitylibraries.com site and search cemetery database. It keeps flicking me off tonight so can't check for you. Some of the older cemeteries of Auckland are Otahuhu, Waikaraka, Hillsborough, Waikumete (not online), and for Howick folk even some of my people are buried at Pukekohe. I've checked Purewa Cemetery and Crematorium but nothing there for your Parker people. Good luck Sandra Auckland NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen & Fran Bearman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials > Hello, > > I am trying to track burials for my ancestors from 1851. The death records > record the burial location as Auckland (no cemetery). Does anyone know > where > burials at this time would have been? I have tried Symonds Street but no > luck. Their names were Parker. Peter Parker, 1864, Peter Parker 1851, > Bridget Parker 1894. They were living in Howick as the father Peter Parker > was a fencible. Any clues would be helpful (They were Roman Catholic). > > Thanks > > Fran > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi would this connect? Try Papers Past 05 02 1851 Copy from Publication the New Zealander Coroner's Inquest. — On the 14th ult. an inquest was held at Howitlc, before Captain McDonald, on the body of a boy aged eleven years, named Peter Parker, son of a Pensioner, who Wds drownel while bathing 1 in a guHy about a mile fiom Howick,on the preceding Sunday. Verdict accordingly. Margaret ----- Original Message ---- From: Glen & Fran Bearman <[email protected]> To: SOMERS <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 12:28:07 PM Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials Hi Sandra, Thanks for those suggestions I will take a look. I recently discovered that Waikumete has put up an online search, which has made it a lot easier for those of us not in Auckland. Here's a link to the search page http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx Thanks again Fran -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SOMERS Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials Hi Fran If you 'google' Otahuhu cemetery' you can go onto the auckland city libraries www.aucklandcitylibraries.com site and search cemetery database. It keeps flicking me off tonight so can't check for you. Some of the older cemeteries of Auckland are Otahuhu, Waikaraka, Hillsborough, Waikumete (not online), and for Howick folk even some of my people are buried at Pukekohe.  I've checked Purewa Cemetery and Crematorium but nothing there for your Parker people. Good luck Sandra Auckland NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen & Fran Bearman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: [NZ-AUCKLAND] Auckland burials > Hello, > > I am trying to track burials for my ancestors from 1851. The death records > record the burial location as Auckland (no cemetery). Does anyone know > where > burials at this time would have been? I have tried Symonds Street but no > luck. Their names were Parker. Peter Parker, 1864, Peter Parker 1851, > Bridget Parker 1894. They were living in Howick as the father Peter Parker > was a fencible. Any clues would be helpful (They were Roman Catholic). > > Thanks > > Fran > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message