John: You mentioned that you go to Familysearch.org and order Certificates for $2.00. Could you possibly tell me in baby steps how you go about ordering them? I went to the site you mentioned and I didn't see anything about getting certificates. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Bill, Below is part of email I sent out before to the list. Hope it helps you. If you still need more help PLEASE just ask, I'd love to share what ever I too learned from the list. June :-) P.S. not "John" - ha ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is what I did, first have to get the certificate number. I found them on http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm and http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/otherdb.stm and http://www.stevemorse.org/ In their VITAL records section. You copy all the information you find (names, date, where it took place & certificate number). Then you go to the LDS site http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp This is the section I used as my family all were in NY http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=New+York&PARTOF=New+York&prePLACE=New+York&prePARTOF=New+York Go to the borough that you are interested in & look under vital records - NOT - indexes. Click on marriage certificates or death certificates & etc. Click on upper right hand corner - View Film Notes. Scroll & check for your date & where your certificate number you got from the sites above, fits in & then it's the FHL number on the far right that you have to use to send out to the FHC on that "Request for Photocopies" form. For $2.00 you can't miss - it's worth taking the chance to see if they are yours or not. Out of the 8, I sent for - 4 were my family - 1, I put in the wrong certificate number in - 3 I don't think are mine, but waiting to find more proof. I wish you good luck, Cliff. If I could help you more just ask (like I did to others, as I was scared not knowing "how" to do it - but with the list help, it turned out easy). June :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Request For Photocopies - Form You can print out on both sides of one sheet of paper. the front page you put your name & address - email address & phone #. On the back side (second sheet) under "General Microfilm or Microfiche". There are 9 columns 1 - you put the long # from the right side of the LDS film page (like 1955887) 2 - leave blank - unless you want to order several of the same certificate 3 - Name of individual 4 - Is self explanatory 5 - Is self explanatory 6 - Date of event 7 - Place of event (like Bronx, NY) 8 - leave blank 9 - Would be the certificate number of the event you found (like I did on the Italian site & other great sites out there).