Oh wow. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny via Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 12:50 PM To: NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com ; NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com ; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com ; nywestch@rootsweb.com ; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYWESTCH] TODAY Please excuse this off-topic post. If anyone is expecting to hear from me, I inadvertently moved all incoming and outgoing mail into "Old Mail." So now I have thousands of emails in one folder to be sorted. Please bear with me until I get this mess untangled. Barb *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Actually BRIAN, I believe with marriages early on . . . . . .from Albany > what you will get is a copy of the ORIGINAL certificate as completed by > the > person/clergy who performed the ceremony not completed by the local > registrar. > > To the best of my knowledge the local record you will receive as a > "verified > transcript" locally is not the ORIGINAL RECORD. > > I have my grandparents marriage from 1895 in Fishkill, Dutchess County, > NY. > It is signed by the minister - this is the document that I believe would > be > given to the local registrar to record in their books and then the > original > was forwarded on to Albany. What I have from Albany is not what you will > get > today from the municipal clerk in Fishkill - you will get a "verified > transcript" from their record book. > > As far as I know it is the same for deaths - I've gotten them both ways in > the past. > > All for now - try it yourself and see. While you are certainly correct the originals are *supposed* to go to Albany. That wasn't what my comment was about. Which was partly tongue-in-cheek. But, the only death certificates I've requested from Westchester was my great-grandmother's. What I got was a non-certified photocopy of the original with my grandfather's signature on it (although it's possibly a photocopy of a photocopy, as it's just inside that technology window). Most of my Westchester needs fall outside the years of required collection. Everything, I've ever requested from Westchester has been a full copy, and not some transcription. Perhaps you have to be specific as to what you ask for. The marriage licenses I have collected all appear to be copies of originals, with signatures, and not carbon copies either. Although, I would have no issue with carbon copies. Marriages are an entirely different subject. Although, I'd still expect a lot of the local records keepers to keep the originals and make up a copy to send to Albany, even though the law was to send the original. NY bureaucrats tended that way, and some still do. Very possessive of anything they collect. ;) As a note, I'd generally request from both places, especially if I had any doubts. Also, the originals may have been written up wrong, and been corrected at the local level and never reported to the state, and vice versa. When such things happen, having both copies can be useful in other research. As for early on deaths, I wouldn't know, because they didn't record them early on, or I'd have had my gr-gr-grandmother's death record a long time ago (1870s). Lastly, the only time, I've ever gotten a transcript of a record was from Massachusetts, and I wound up ordering the original anyway (different prices) because one of the names was screwed up. But it was screwed up on the original as well. I've never bother to have it corrected. Which I could because I have a certified true copy of her birth certificate from the Mairie in France with the seal imprint and everything.

Please excuse this off-topic post. If anyone is expecting to hear from me, I inadvertently moved all incoming and outgoing mail into "Old Mail." So now I have thousands of emails in one folder to be sorted. Please bear with me until I get this mess untangled. Barb

Hello Blake, Here is the url for the Settlers's of Beekmans Patent, Vol 5, by Frank J. Doherty. https://books.google.com/books?id=SuspAQAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Manning You will see a snippet of the actual page, which is page 23, which states Robert Manning was of Ann Hook's Neck (Pelham) by 1682. This Vol 5 covers the Ferguson Family. Robert Manning's father in law was John Ferguson of West Farms, Westchester Co NY. There is no MANNING families covered in the book Beekmans Patent. Do you feel this location is in error? If you have anything to add, or advice, I would love to hear it. Best regards, Lilly Martin -----Original Message----- From: Bell@lists2.rootsweb.com ; Blake A. via Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 9:30 PM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] West Farms Lily: I serve as Town Historian of the Town of Pelham. I think I can help you a little on a couple of issues, but don't have answers to your specific queries or the records you are seeking. You state that Robert Manning, born in about 1640, "had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with Westchester Co., NY." Ann Hook's Neck (many variations including Annhook's Neck, Annie Hook, Annie Hook Neck, Anhoock Neck, etc., etc.) is not in Connecticut, nor is it on the Connecticut Border. Ann Hook's Neck was a 17th century English name for today's Rodman's Neck located in the Bronx. (Rodman's Neck, also known as Pelham Neck, Pelham Point, Pell's Point, etc.) was part of our Town of Pelham in the County of Westchester until the area including Ann Hook's Neck was annexed by New York City in 1895. In short, Ann Hook's Neck was within the County of Westchester from the time Westchester County was founded in 1683 until 1895 when New York City annexed it away from the Town of Pelham. I would be very intrigued to learn what source or evidence suggests that your Robert Manning lived on Ann Hook's Neck.

Blake, Thank you so much for your reply. I have been reading your blog on line, historic pelham. I started reading it because of Caleb Pell. I have a relative named William Brower born in Wappinger's Falls, who married a Sarah, surname unknown to me, but they named a son Caleb Pell Brower. In William's will he instructs his sons to follow up on an inheritance of some type in Westchester Co NY. I know the Brower ancestry, and they had nothing to do with Westchester, but Dutchess Co NY. This makes me believe that the inheritance is connected to his wife Sarah, and perhaps she is connected to Caleb Pell, as a grand daughter. I am sorry I misidentified Ann's Hook as CT. I thought I had 'googled' for the location, but maybe not. I looked at my notes for Robert Manning and I found the only source noted for the location Ann's Hook was this: More About Robert Manning: Residence: 1682, Annhook's Neck ( Pelham), New Yrok Source: The Settlers Of the Beekman Patent, by F. Doherty, Sr. I have listed below the various sources which document Robert Manning of West Farms. Apparently, at one time he was a large land owner there, according to tax lists. ********************************************* Reply to Blake Bell #1. Vol. 5 of F.J. Doherty's The Settlers of the Beekman Patent, Dutchess Co., NY (Fackert-Haas). Beginning w/ p. 21, there is a brief introduction of the Ferguson family. P. 22 gives this information ... "John Ferguson, Sr. was married to Sarah Hunt, dau. of Thomas Hunt. On 2 Dec. 1680 John Ferguson and Robert Manning, now living on Cornwell's Neck in Westchester, sold to Gabriel Leggatt land that formerly belonged to Thomas Hunt Jr. On 22 March 1682/3 Sarah Forguson, Wife (sic, should be widow) of John, and Robert Manning, released Gabriel Leggatt from a bill of L54 which he owed John Forguson for land. (footnote: RECORD 1913:315; 1914:74, 1929:108, 112.)" The Ferguson/Hunt marriage was in Stratford, CT in 1660 and came to Westchester Co., NY by Oct. 1664. John Ferguson Sr. died 12/6/1681. Sarah Hunt Ferguson came to Newtown NY after his death. http://www.ancestraltrackers.org/ny/resources/new-york-genealogical-biographical-record-v45.pdf Early Settlers of West Farms Westchester County New York , by Rev Theodore Leggett, by A. Hatfield, Jr. In 1711, the heirs of the original patent of West Farms united in a second division as follows: “…certain patent granted by Gov. Richard Nichols to Edward Jessup and John Richardson in the year of our Lord Christ 1666 except 30 acres which he said Thos Hunt formerly sold to John Feryedon and Robert Manning…” http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Ancestry_of_John_Gustin_1000764071/87 Extract from the wiU of Gabriel Leggett. Dated April 16 j1677^* " I bequeth to my wife Elizabeth all my household goods "c. To my son John all my house and out houses or orchard land, and the meadows in the Planting Neck and the meadows "fec, also that messuage and tenement which Thomas Williams dwells upon and. was. formerly my father's inlaw John Richardson his now dwelling house ^d orchar4 and outhouses with the land and meadowswhich I bought of John Ferguson sen. and Robert. Manning together with fifty acres of wood-' land lying within the bounds of the patent, of West Farms I say 4;o my son Thomas. To my son William one hundred acres of woodland and five%cres of meadow lying behind the field within the bounds of the patent of West Farms together with all the undivided meadow, as als;Q .my house and house lot with an orchard thereon, lyingia the town p^ Westchester." To his daughter Martha he bequeaths his ^ little colored boy, to his daughters Mary, Sarah, Alice and Elizabeth twenty poigids each. .. History of Westchester Co., The Town of West Farms, p. 447: regarding will of Garbriel Leggett, made 4/16/1676 mentions the land and the meadow he "bought from John Ferguson, Sen., and Robert Manning." Documents Relative to the Colonial History of NY, Vol. 13, p. 488-489: Assessment Roll of West & East Chester in 1675: Rich'd Ponton (followed by a Colard), then Thomas Farington (9th on list), then Thos. Hunt, Sr. (followed by), John Forgasonn (with no taxables -- followed by), Robert Manning (showing the largest holding of land in the town, followed by), Thos. Hunt, Jr. Another tax list (presumably 1688) lists John Ferguson and Robert Manning as side-by-side, Robert listed as owning nothing and John Ferguson as the largest holding of land in the town. They probably lived together. The 1698 Census lists a John Manning as one of John Ferguson's household. Perhaps his parents died. The Census identifies John and Sarah as both living and in Westchester Co. in 1698. In 1681, Sarah Ferguson testified along with her son John Jr. in a court case at Newtown, the seat of government at that time. Sarah was not widowed at that time. More About Robert Manning: Residence: 1682, Annhook's Neck ( Pelham), New Yrok Source: The Settlers Of the Beekman Patent, by F. Doherty, Sr. More About Robert Manning and Mary Ferguson: Marriage: April 01, 1676, New York Source: The Settlers of the Beekman Patent, by F. Doherty, Sr. *********************************************************** I am researching online and trying to find additional documentation of Robert Manning, and his son John Manning. I feel that John Manning, s/o Robert Manning and Mary Ferguson, of West Farms, lived out his life in Westchester Co NY and had children there, but he and his children ended up in Dutchess Co NY where he was buried at the location of the current Courthouse, his grave was in the area which was used to re-build the courthouse. (Poughkeepsie). My focus is on Robert Manning, his life and death, and his son John Manning, who I feel was provided for by his father. After his mother Mary Ferguson Manning remarried to Capt Thomas Lawrence on November 09, 1692 she relocated to Newtown, Queens Co NY. If I can find her will, perhaps she will mention her son John Manning of Westchester Co NY. If I can find Robert Manning's will, he should provide for his son John Manning. Best regards, Lilly Martin -----Original Message----- From: Bell@lists2.rootsweb.com ; Blake A. via Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 9:30 PM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] West Farms Lily: I serve as Town Historian of the Town of Pelham. I think I can help you a little on a couple of issues, but don't have answers to your specific queries or the records you are seeking. You state that Robert Manning, born in about 1640, "had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with Westchester Co., NY." Ann Hook's Neck (many variations including Annhook's Neck, Annie Hook, Annie Hook Neck, Anhoock Neck, etc., etc.) is not in Connecticut, nor is it on the Connecticut Border. Ann Hook's Neck was a 17th century English name for today's Rodman's Neck located in the Bronx. (Rodman's Neck, also known as Pelham Neck, Pelham Point, Pell's Point, etc.) was part of our Town of Pelham in the County of Westchester until the area including Ann Hook's Neck was annexed by New York City in 1895. In short, Ann Hook's Neck was within the County of Westchester from the time Westchester County was founded in 1683 until 1895 when New York City annexed it away from the Town of Pelham. I would be very intrigued to learn what source or evidence suggests that your Robert Manning lived on Ann Hook's Neck. The reason it is so intriguing is that Thomas Pell bought the area from Native Americans on June 27, 1654, but never lived on the land he purchased. However, it is known that Pell built a "howse" (as the inventory of his estate referenced it) on Ann Hook's Neck. An inventory of that portion of his estate located in Westchester at the time of his death in late September 1669 suggests that his house on Ann Hook's Neck was part of a working farm with perishables on site at the time. Pell, however, did not live there as he lived in Fairfield for many years and never moved away from Fairfield. This suggests that either a caretaker or a lessor ran the farm. Pell did not sell his land on Ann Hook's Neck before his death. Nor did his nephew and principal legatee, John Pell, who moved into the house on Ann Hook's Neck but soon built his own home nearby (near today's Bartow-Pell Mansion Museum in the Bronx). Thus, if your Robert Manning was living on Ann Hook's Neck, he either was a caretaker on the Thomas Pell farm or, possibly, a renter who leased land from Thomas Pell or, later, his nephew, John Pell . Alternatively, of course, he could have been a squatter. Best regards, Blake A. Bell Pelham, NY Town Historian > -----Original Message----- > From: Lilly Martin Sahiounie via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello readers, > > Robert Manning was born about 1640. He might have been from England, but he > had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with > Westchester Co NY. His father is law was John Ferguson 1630-1681 who died > at West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. Robert Manning and his father in law > were among the earliest settlers of West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. John > Ferguson's father in law was Thomas Hunt 1615-1695 who died at West Farms, > Westchester Co, NY. Thomas Hunt, and his son in law John Ferguson, and > his son in law Robert Manning were all early settlers of West Farms, > Westchester Co NY. It would appear they were all immigrants from England . > first in Ann's Hook Neck, CT and then into Westchester Co, NY. > > Robert Manning and his wife Mary Ferguson married April 01, 1676 in NY. > They had a least one child named John Manning. Robert died about 1690 and > left provision for his son John Manning, but I can not find the will. Does > anyone know of a way to find the Will of Robert Manning, of West Farms, > Westchester Co, NY dated between 1676 and 1692? > > Robert Manning's widow Mary Ferguson Manning re-married on Nov 9, 1692 to > Thomas Lawrence 1619-1703 who died at Newtown, Queens Co, NY. The will of > Thomas Lawrence provides for his children with his first wife, and for his > present wife, Mary Ferguson Manning Lawrence. I would like to find her > Will, as she should have left something to her son John Manning. > > I imagine that Robert Manning left some land for his son John Manning in > Westchester Co NY. I imagine that John Manning lived out his life in > Westchester Co NY, and married, but I have not found those records. > > I am looking for records and information about Robert Manning, and his son > John Manning. This family remained in Westchester Co NY until a descendant, > also named John Manning born about 1700 moved to Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co > NY and died there after 1760. That man left a large family who lived later > in Clinton, Dutchess Co, NY. > > I would appreciate information, advice and help. > > Best regards, > Lilly Martin > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. 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I am tracing my husband’s family and one of his relatives was deported to Westchester County, New York in 1755 from Acadia. Francoise Martin and her husband Charles Savoie along with 8 of their 11 children were supposedly sent to New Rochelle. Where would I look for further information on this family. There is a chance they may have been sent to Louisiana around 1763.

Actually BRIAN, I believe with marriages early on . . . . . .from Albany what you will get is a copy of the ORIGINAL certificate as completed by the person/clergy who performed the ceremony not completed by the local registrar. To the best of my knowledge the local record you will receive as a "verified transcript" locally is not the ORIGINAL RECORD. I have my grandparents marriage from 1895 in Fishkill, Dutchess County, NY. It is signed by the minister - this is the document that I believe would be given to the local registrar to record in their books and then the original was forwarded on to Albany. What I have from Albany is not what you will get today from the municipal clerk in Fishkill - you will get a "verified transcript" from their record book. As far as I know it is the same for deaths - I've gotten them both ways in the past. All for now - try it yourself and see. -----Original Message----- From: Brian J Densmore via Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:18 PM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Death Records > My experience has been you receive an abstracted but "verified" transcript > of the record as entered from the original in a local record book at the > time the event occurred when you obtain a Cert locally. > > Two Degrees away from the original record - Two opportunities for errors > to > be made in the transfer of the information given on the original to the > document you obtain. > > When you order from Albany you receive a copy of the original record. Wouldn't that be a copy of the original copy made by the local registrar? I assume the original is an entry made in a ledger at the local level, from which the Certificate is then made. Even if the original was a certificate, and the ledger entry a copy, I'd still expect the original certificate to be the local certificate, and the one in Albany to be a copy of that. I can't see a local bureaucrat sending any original anything to Albany. I'd be mildly surprised if the copy at Albany is an original anything. Just saying, Brian *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> My experience has been you receive an abstracted but "verified" transcript > of the record as entered from the original in a local record book at the > time the event occurred when you obtain a Cert locally. > > Two Degrees away from the original record - Two opportunities for errors > to > be made in the transfer of the information given on the original to the > document you obtain. > > When you order from Albany you receive a copy of the original record. Wouldn't that be a copy of the original copy made by the local registrar? I assume the original is an entry made in a ledger at the local level, from which the Certificate is then made. Even if the original was a certificate, and the ledger entry a copy, I'd still expect the original certificate to be the local certificate, and the one in Albany to be a copy of that. I can't see a local bureaucrat sending any original anything to Albany. I'd be mildly surprised if the copy at Albany is an original anything. Just saying, Brian

My experience has been you receive an abstracted but "verified" transcript of the record as entered from the original in a local record book at the time the event occurred when you obtain a Cert locally. Two Degrees away from the original record - Two opportunities for errors to be made in the transfer of the information given on the original to the document you obtain. When you order from Albany you receive a copy of the original record. To each his own. -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny via Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 9:12 PM To: 26cathy@gmail.com ; nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Death Records My best suggestion is to seek BMD certificates from the smallest governmental entity, but if that municipality doesn't find it, you can always order them from Albany. Their website says they have an 8 month wait. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Cathy via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> To: Paul Sabol <pgsabol@yahoo.com>; nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2016 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Death Records According to the web site for the City of Yonkers, they will probably have them. I say "probably" because their web site doesn't seem to show the dates for which they would have them. Give them a phone call to be sure. Here's the link to their web site: http://www.yonkersny.gov/government/departments/city-clerk/certificates-licenses-and-permits/death-certificate Having said the foregoing, you should also know that vital records were not mandated by New York state until 1880. However the law was not enforced until 1917. Happy hunting, Cathy On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Paul Sabol via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> wrote: > If a person died in Yonkers between 1902 and 1916, would there be an > official death record or death certificate? And if so, where should I > look > for said records? > Regards, > Paul G. Sabol > Get Paul to Slovakia GoFundMe Campaignhttp://www.gofundme.com/icw3uk > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list > over the years. Visit > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My best suggestion is to seek BMD certificates from the smallest governmental entity, but if that municipality doesn't find it, you can always order them from Albany. Their website says they have an 8 month wait. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Cathy via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> To: Paul Sabol <pgsabol@yahoo.com>; nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2016 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Death Records According to the web site for the City of Yonkers, they will probably have them. I say "probably" because their web site doesn't seem to show the dates for which they would have them. Give them a phone call to be sure. Here's the link to their web site: http://www.yonkersny.gov/government/departments/city-clerk/certificates-licenses-and-permits/death-certificate Having said the foregoing, you should also know that vital records were not mandated by New York state until 1880. However the law was not enforced until 1917. Happy hunting, Cathy On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Paul Sabol via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> wrote: > If a person died in Yonkers between 1902 and 1916, would there be an > official death record or death certificate? And if so, where should I look > for said records? > Regards, > Paul G. Sabol > Get Paul to Slovakia GoFundMe Campaignhttp://www.gofundme.com/icw3uk > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list > over the years. Visit > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lily: I serve as Town Historian of the Town of Pelham. I think I can help you a little on a couple of issues, but don't have answers to your specific queries or the records you are seeking. You state that Robert Manning, born in about 1640, "had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with Westchester Co., NY." Ann Hook's Neck (many variations including Annhook's Neck, Annie Hook, Annie Hook Neck, Anhoock Neck, etc., etc.) is not in Connecticut, nor is it on the Connecticut Border. Ann Hook's Neck was a 17th century English name for today's Rodman's Neck located in the Bronx. (Rodman's Neck, also known as Pelham Neck, Pelham Point, Pell's Point, etc.) was part of our Town of Pelham in the County of Westchester until the area including Ann Hook's Neck was annexed by New York City in 1895. In short, Ann Hook's Neck was within the County of Westchester from the time Westchester County was founded in 1683 until 1895 when New York City annexed it away from the Town of Pelham. I would be very intrigued to learn what source or evidence suggests that your Robert Manning lived on Ann Hook's Neck. The reason it is so intriguing is that Thomas Pell bought the area from Native Americans on June 27, 1654, but never lived on the land he purchased. However, it is known that Pell built a "howse" (as the inventory of his estate referenced it) on Ann Hook's Neck. An inventory of that portion of his estate located in Westchester at the time of his death in late September 1669 suggests that his house on Ann Hook's Neck was part of a working farm with perishables on site at the time. Pell, however, did not live there as he lived in Fairfield for many years and never moved away from Fairfield. This suggests that either a caretaker or a lessor ran the farm. Pell did not sell his land on Ann Hook's Neck before his death. Nor did his nephew and principal legatee, John Pell, who moved into the house on Ann Hook's Neck but soon built his own home nearby (near today's Bartow-Pell Mansion Museum in the Bronx). Thus, if your Robert Manning was living on Ann Hook's Neck, he either was a caretaker on the Thomas Pell farm or, possibly, a renter who leased land from Thomas Pell or, later, his nephew, John Pell . Alternatively, of course, he could have been a squatter. Best regards, Blake A. Bell Pelham, NY Town Historian > -----Original Message----- > From: Lilly Martin Sahiounie via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello readers, > > Robert Manning was born about 1640. He might have been from England, but he > had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with > Westchester Co NY. His father is law was John Ferguson 1630-1681 who died > at West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. Robert Manning and his father in law > were among the earliest settlers of West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. John > Ferguson's father in law was Thomas Hunt 1615-1695 who died at West Farms, > Westchester Co, NY. Thomas Hunt, and his son in law John Ferguson, and > his son in law Robert Manning were all early settlers of West Farms, > Westchester Co NY. It would appear they were all immigrants from England . > first in Ann's Hook Neck, CT and then into Westchester Co, NY. > > Robert Manning and his wife Mary Ferguson married April 01, 1676 in NY. > They had a least one child named John Manning. Robert died about 1690 and > left provision for his son John Manning, but I can not find the will. Does > anyone know of a way to find the Will of Robert Manning, of West Farms, > Westchester Co, NY dated between 1676 and 1692? > > Robert Manning's widow Mary Ferguson Manning re-married on Nov 9, 1692 to > Thomas Lawrence 1619-1703 who died at Newtown, Queens Co, NY. The will of > Thomas Lawrence provides for his children with his first wife, and for his > present wife, Mary Ferguson Manning Lawrence. I would like to find her > Will, as she should have left something to her son John Manning. > > I imagine that Robert Manning left some land for his son John Manning in > Westchester Co NY. I imagine that John Manning lived out his life in > Westchester Co NY, and married, but I have not found those records. > > I am looking for records and information about Robert Manning, and his son > John Manning. This family remained in Westchester Co NY until a descendant, > also named John Manning born about 1700 moved to Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co > NY and died there after 1760. That man left a large family who lived later > in Clinton, Dutchess Co, NY. > > I would appreciate information, advice and help. > > Best regards, > Lilly Martin > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. 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If a person died in Yonkers between 1902 and 1916, would there be an official death record or death certificate?  And if so, where should I look for said records?  Regards,  Paul G. Sabol  Get Paul to Slovakia GoFundMe Campaignhttp://www.gofundme.com/icw3uk

Hi Paul, Official BMD certificates, as opposed to one-line entries in ledgers, began in New York STATE in 1881. [This excludes NY CITY.] In that time period, for Yonkers, it would be a certificate. You might phone ahead to the Yonkers City Clerk's office to find out what's required. With death certificates more than 50 years old, you should NOT need to provide relationship documentation. That's considered "historical." Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sabol via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> To: nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2016 2:53 pm Subject: [NYWESTCH] Death Records If a person died in Yonkers between 1902 and 1916, would there be an official death record or death certificate? And if so, where should I look for said records? Regards, Paul G. Sabol Get Paul to Slovakia GoFundMe Campaignhttp://www.gofundme.com/icw3uk

According to the web site for the City of Yonkers, they will probably have them. I say "probably" because their web site doesn't seem to show the dates for which they would have them. Give them a phone call to be sure. Here's the link to their web site: http://www.yonkersny.gov/government/departments/city-clerk/certificates-licenses-and-permits/death-certificate Having said the foregoing, you should also know that vital records were not mandated by New York state until 1880. However the law was not enforced until 1917. Happy hunting, Cathy On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Paul Sabol via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> wrote: > If a person died in Yonkers between 1902 and 1916, would there be an > official death record or death certificate? And if so, where should I look > for said records? > Regards, > Paul G. Sabol > Get Paul to Slovakia GoFundMe Campaignhttp://www.gofundme.com/icw3uk > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list > over the years. Visit > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Growing up in the 50's we Ray Heatherton on B&W TV as "The Merry Mailman." Two decades later we had John Quinn as our real-live mailman in Westchester. I always appreciated John's sober wit, great stories and scruples. Many heartfelt thanks to John during some overstressed years. Barb ---------------------- JJ John Thomas Quinn, Sr. S September 17, 1947 - May 2, 2016 John Thomas Quinn, Sr, 68 of Poughkeepsie passed away on May 2, 2016 at Mid Hudson Regional Medical Center. Born on September 17, 1947 in North Tarrytown to the late Clement and Gertude Kane Quinn. John grew up in Sleepy Hollow and Attended Stepanic High School in White Plains and Fordham University. In 1967, after he graduated college, he enlisted in the United States Army and in January 1994 retired from the New York Army national Guard as a Master Sergeant. During the time he was in the National Guard he worked for the United States Post Office for 40 years and was postmaster in Wappingers Falls before retiring in 2009. He will always be remembered as a funny person with a great sense of humor and enjoyed making people laugh. He had a heartfelt devotion to his spiritual community. John is survived by his loving children Bridget Quinn and her husband Andrew Sorkin of Wappingers Falls, Patrick Liam Quinn and his companion Diana Miller of Accord, and Kathleen Siobhan Quinn of Poughkeepsie. Cherished Abba to Elijah Liam Quinn and Clara Grace Quinn. He was predeceased by his Son John T. Quinn Jr. Friends may call on Thursday May 5, 2016 from 2-4 & 7-9pm at Robert H. Auchmoody Funeral Home, 1028 Main St, Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

West Farms is one of those tricky areas of NY. Originally the towns of West Farms, Morrisiana, West Chester, and East Chester [and others] were part of Westchester County. In 1873, West Farms became part of NYC, and in 1898 became part of the newly created Bronx County, when NYC then became Greater NYC composed of 5 counties. Some West Farm records are at the Westchester County Archives, and some were recently moved front and center at the NYC Muni Archives. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Lilly Martin Sahiounie via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Hello readers, Robert Manning was born about 1640. He might have been from England, but he had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with Westchester Co NY. His father is law was John Ferguson 1630-1681 who died at West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. Robert Manning and his father in law were among the earliest settlers of West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. John Ferguson's father in law was Thomas Hunt 1615-1695 who died at West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. Thomas Hunt, and his son in law John Ferguson, and his son in law Robert Manning were all early settlers of West Farms, Westchester Co NY. It would appear they were all immigrants from England . first in Ann's Hook Neck, CT and then into Westchester Co, NY. Robert Manning and his wife Mary Ferguson married April 01, 1676 in NY. They had a least one child named John Manning. Robert died about 1690 and left provision for his son John Manning, but I can not find the will. Does anyone know of a way to find the Will of Robert Manning, of West Farms, Westchester Co, NY dated between 1676 and 1692? Robert Manning's widow Mary Ferguson Manning re-married on Nov 9, 1692 to Thomas Lawrence 1619-1703 who died at Newtown, Queens Co, NY. The will of Thomas Lawrence provides for his children with his first wife, and for his present wife, Mary Ferguson Manning Lawrence. I would like to find her Will, as she should have left something to her son John Manning. I imagine that Robert Manning left some land for his son John Manning in Westchester Co NY. I imagine that John Manning lived out his life in Westchester Co NY, and married, but I have not found those records. I am looking for records and information about Robert Manning, and his son John Manning. This family remained in Westchester Co NY until a descendant, also named John Manning born about 1700 moved to Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co NY and died there after 1760. That man left a large family who lived later in Clinton, Dutchess Co, NY. I would appreciate information, advice and help. Best regards, Lilly Martin *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That does make it tricky. Especially when trying to do research from a long distance. Carol R. Sent from my iPhone > On May 5, 2016, at 1:41 PM, mizscarlettny via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > West Farms is one of those tricky areas of NY. > > > Originally the towns of West Farms, Morrisiana, West Chester, and East Chester [and others] > were part of Westchester County. In 1873, West Farms became part of NYC, and in 1898 > became part of the newly created Bronx County, when NYC then became Greater NYC > composed of 5 counties. > > Some West Farm records are at the Westchester County Archives, and some were recently moved front and > center at the NYC Muni Archives. > > Barb > MizScarlettNY@aol.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lilly Martin Sahiounie via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello readers, > > Robert Manning was born about 1640. He might have been from England, but he > had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with > Westchester Co NY. His father is law was John Ferguson 1630-1681 who died > at West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. Robert Manning and his father in law > were among the earliest settlers of West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. John > Ferguson's father in law was Thomas Hunt 1615-1695 who died at West Farms, > Westchester Co, NY. Thomas Hunt, and his son in law John Ferguson, and > his son in law Robert Manning were all early settlers of West Farms, > Westchester Co NY. It would appear they were all immigrants from England . > first in Ann's Hook Neck, CT and then into Westchester Co, NY. > > Robert Manning and his wife Mary Ferguson married April 01, 1676 in NY. > They had a least one child named John Manning. Robert died about 1690 and > left provision for his son John Manning, but I can not find the will. Does > anyone know of a way to find the Will of Robert Manning, of West Farms, > Westchester Co, NY dated between 1676 and 1692? > > Robert Manning's widow Mary Ferguson Manning re-married on Nov 9, 1692 to > Thomas Lawrence 1619-1703 who died at Newtown, Queens Co, NY. The will of > Thomas Lawrence provides for his children with his first wife, and for his > present wife, Mary Ferguson Manning Lawrence. I would like to find her > Will, as she should have left something to her son John Manning. > > I imagine that Robert Manning left some land for his son John Manning in > Westchester Co NY. I imagine that John Manning lived out his life in > Westchester Co NY, and married, but I have not found those records. > > I am looking for records and information about Robert Manning, and his son > John Manning. This family remained in Westchester Co NY until a descendant, > also named John Manning born about 1700 moved to Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co > NY and died there after 1760. That man left a large family who lived later > in Clinton, Dutchess Co, NY. > > I would appreciate information, advice and help. > > Best regards, > Lilly Martin > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello readers, Robert Manning was born about 1640. He might have been from England, but he had been living at Ann's Hook Neck, which is in CT, on the border with Westchester Co NY. His father is law was John Ferguson 1630-1681 who died at West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. Robert Manning and his father in law were among the earliest settlers of West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. John Ferguson's father in law was Thomas Hunt 1615-1695 who died at West Farms, Westchester Co, NY. Thomas Hunt, and his son in law John Ferguson, and his son in law Robert Manning were all early settlers of West Farms, Westchester Co NY. It would appear they were all immigrants from England . first in Ann's Hook Neck, CT and then into Westchester Co, NY. Robert Manning and his wife Mary Ferguson married April 01, 1676 in NY. They had a least one child named John Manning. Robert died about 1690 and left provision for his son John Manning, but I can not find the will. Does anyone know of a way to find the Will of Robert Manning, of West Farms, Westchester Co, NY dated between 1676 and 1692? Robert Manning's widow Mary Ferguson Manning re-married on Nov 9, 1692 to Thomas Lawrence 1619-1703 who died at Newtown, Queens Co, NY. The will of Thomas Lawrence provides for his children with his first wife, and for his present wife, Mary Ferguson Manning Lawrence. I would like to find her Will, as she should have left something to her son John Manning. I imagine that Robert Manning left some land for his son John Manning in Westchester Co NY. I imagine that John Manning lived out his life in Westchester Co NY, and married, but I have not found those records. I am looking for records and information about Robert Manning, and his son John Manning. This family remained in Westchester Co NY until a descendant, also named John Manning born about 1700 moved to Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co NY and died there after 1760. That man left a large family who lived later in Clinton, Dutchess Co, NY. I would appreciate information, advice and help. Best regards, Lilly Martin

Where have you looked for the wills? > Hello readers, > > Robert Manning ... died about 1690 and > left provision for his son John Manning, but I can not find the will. Does > anyone know of a way to find the Will of Robert Manning, of West Farms, > Westchester Co, NY dated between 1676 and 1692? > > Robert Manning's widow Mary Ferguson Manning re-married on Nov 9, 1692 to > Thomas Lawrence 1619-1703 who died at Newtown, Queens Co, NY. The will of > Thomas Lawrence provides for his children with his first wife, and for his > present wife, Mary Ferguson Manning Lawrence. I would like to find her > Will, as she should have left something to her son John Manning. > ... > > Best regards, > Lilly Martin

In Memoriam of Samuel Willenberg, who died in Israel 16 February 2016. Tonight: "Treblinka's Last Witness" (2015) A first-account of Samuel Willenberg, 92 year old survivor of the death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland where 900,000 of our Jewish brothers perished. 10 - 11:30pm, eastern PBS-NY To order Willenberg's autobiography>>> http://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Treblinka-Samuel-Willenberg/dp/0631162615 Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com