In my job I work closely with many Town and Village clerks throughout the lower Hudson Valley. I called one today I know particularly well and asked her to fax over a copy of the rules regarding requesting genealogy copies. The information provided on DOH-1562 (06/2003) form "Health Commissioner's Administrative Rules and Regulations" reads: 1. Genealogical research: Uncertified copies or abstracts from records of birth, death, and marriage may be provided for genealogical research purposes subject to the restrictions specified in this summary. All requests must be submitted in writing and include payment of the applicable statutory fee. The applicant shall be required to pay the specified fee for the time spent for the search and uncertified copy of notification of no record. 2. Who is Authorized to do the Searching?: Record searches shall be conducted only by the following persons in the files maintained by their respective agencies: a. authorized employees of the State Department of Health; b. a local registrar, deputy registrar, or an authorized employee of the registrar; c. a town or city clerk, deputy clerk, or an authorized employee of the town or city clerk. 3. What records are available? a. No information shall be released from a record of birth which has been placed in a confidential file pursuant to Public Health Law Section 4138. b. No information shall be released from a record of birth unless the record has been on file for at least 75 years and the person to whom the record relates is known to the applicant to be deceased. c. No information shall be released from a record of death unless the record has been on file for at least 50 years. d. No information shall be released from a record of marriage unless the record has been on file for at least 50 years and the parties to the marriage are known to the applicant to be deceased. e. The time periods specified in (3B), (3C), and (3D) are waived if the applicant is a descendant or has been designated to act on behalf of a descendant of the person whose record is being requested. A descendant is a person in the direct line of descent. The applicant shall provide documentation of descendancy prior to the release of information in those instances where a waiver of the waiting period is requested. A party acting on behalf of a descendant shall further provide documenation that the descendant authorized the party to make such application. f. All uncertified copies, abstracts, or information issued for genealogical research purposes shall be clearly marked with the statement "For Genealogical Purposes Only." Section 4 pertains to fees. Additionally, I pulled up the form which is currently posted to the NYS DOH website at http://www.nyhealth.gov/vital_records/forms/doh-4384.pdf and I see no reference to a driver's license requirement on that form either. Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff Lamere Date: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the > need to > prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The > information > that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar > today. > She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo > ID in > order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I > believe she > is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from > the state > and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar > told me > that another genealogist had raised the same question in the > past and > that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was > doing was > correct, as well as required by the state. > > She said that she had a general information form from the state, > on the > back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even > a paid > researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would > need to > get a release from their client in order to get it. I will > receive the > general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the > requirements for > myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the > information > that I received over the phone. More later. > > Cliff Lamere > > > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Deborah, Thanks very much for providing that form. It sounds like it could be what I will receive in the mail. If so, the statement in 3e does NOT refer to certificates for genealogy. And, there is nothing there that says that for genealogy you have to prove your relationship to the person whose certificate you want, nor that you need to prove who you are. I will be in contact with the Yonkers registrar again after I get whatever I'm sent. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ gizzi1213@optonline.net wrote: >In my job I work closely with many Town and Village clerks throughout the lower Hudson Valley. I called one today I know particularly well and asked her to fax over a copy of the rules regarding requesting genealogy copies. The information provided on DOH-1562 (06/2003) form "Health Commissioner's Administrative Rules and Regulations" reads: > >1. Genealogical research: Uncertified copies or abstracts from records of birth, death, and marriage may be provided for genealogical research purposes subject to the restrictions specified in this summary. All requests must be submitted in writing and include payment of the applicable statutory fee. The applicant shall be required to pay the specified fee for the time spent for the search and uncertified copy of notification of no record. > <snip> >3. What records are available? ><snip> >e. The time periods specified in (3B), (3C), and (3D) are waived if the applicant is a descendant or has been designated to act on behalf of a descendant of the person whose record is being requested. A descendant is a person in the direct line of descent. The applicant shall provide documentation of descendancy prior to the release of information in those instances where a waiver of the waiting period is requested. A party acting on behalf of a descendant shall further provide documenation that the descendant authorized the party to make such application. ><snip> >Additionally, I pulled up the form which is currently posted to the NYS DOH website at http://www.nyhealth.gov/vital_records/forms/doh-4384.pdf and I see no reference to a driver's license requirement on that form either. > > >Deborah > >

Joy, I happened to find out by accident that my husband's mother's maiden name was not what he thought. When I was joining DAR I needed a copy of his birth certificate. Since he was an Army veteran one of his friends at the VA offered to get it for me. He said that my husband should have one for VA purposes and not wait til he was old and the records were lost.LOL. Otherwise neither he nor I would ever have known. Another mixup was when I got my paternal grandfather's death certificate. He lived to be 102 and outlived both his children. So when he died he was up in Maine with a grandson (my first cousin). This grandson had no idea whatever of his great grandmother's maiden name so he gave the wrong name .....which happened to be her sister's married name. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy McMillan" <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > Maureen, > > I had a feeling that would be the case. We have parents names on two > marriage records(of sibs) that just dont work at all. I have a feeling the > names were not the legal names. I also believe the parents died when he > was young as well. I have found in one case a family member went by her > confirmation name her entire adult life and was buried with it (which took > forever to figure out.) Thanks for the info.....we will keep digging. > > Joy > > quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: > Hi Joy, > > I don't know about "early 1900s" but when I got married in the fifties I > was > required to prove my age when obtaining the license because I looked so > young. > > My husband- to- be did not have to show proof of age and when asked his > parents names gave the wrong maiden for his mother. She had died when he > was > 2 yrs old so it was an honest mistake. When I joined DAR, I had to sign a > form because of that error even though it wasn't MY family. > > My best girlfriend who was underage was NOT required to submit proof of > age > because she didn't look underage. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy McMillan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > > >> Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate when >> you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to >> figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came directly >> from their birth certificate. >> >> Thanks, >> Joy >> >> Joy McMillan wrote: >> It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had >> nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for >> taking an interest. >> >> Joy >> >> Cliff Lamere wrote: >> I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to >> prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information >> that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. >> She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in >> order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she >> is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state >> and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me >> that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and >> that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was >> correct, as well as required by the state. >> >> She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the >> back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid >> researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to >> get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the >> general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for >> myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information >> that I received over the phone. More later. >> >> Cliff Lamere >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Don't pick lemons. >> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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Just for information. I know that this is a NY list, but since people from Westchester often moved to NJ and sometimes back again, I thought some may be interested, if they didn't already know .... The NJ State Archives in Trenton has vital records on microfilm. Birth 1848 -1923, Marriage 1848 -1940, Death 1848 - 1940 They ONLY do mail requests on the records from 1848 -1878. Cheaper than the Dept of Health & Senior Services. See link for info: http://www.njarchives.org/links/reference.html New online indexes/databases are being created by Archives staff. So far, they've got Marriages from 1848 - 1867, last time I checked. This link shows what's up so far. For those back into colonial times, there are a couple of other databases. http://www.state.nj.us/state/darm/links/databases.html By mail, after 1878, you have to go through the Dept of health and Senior Services (with all of their requirements and fees, currently $25+) http://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/index.shtml or local registrars (service, fees & availability can vary) Any microfilm vital records at the Archives after 1878, have to be accessed in-person by you or by someone on your behalf. If you need a few, a trip to the Archives can be worth it. Actual copies from the microfilm cost 50 cents each, (after you take the time to find them)! Nothing is blacked out. To get into the state office bldg where the Archives is housed, you do have to show a photo ID at the reception/security desk where you're issued a visitor's badge. No copies of ID taken. <g> Just thought some might be interested. Maureen in NJ On 3/29/07, grlswthguitars@aol.com <grlswthguitars@aol.com> wrote: > > The State of New Jersey required ID before processing my request for a genealogical copy of a death certificate over 120 years old, even though their own published guidelines say this isn't necessary. They returned my request TWICE before I sent copies of utility bills with the account numbers obliterated (in lieu of my driver's license). So 10 months after my initial request, I received a death certificate from 1880 with the cause of death blacked out as a privacy issue. The wrong death certificate. The name was the same but the other information could hardly have been more different (an infant vs. a 60 year old woman). Then I found the films at LDS with the indexed VR and the causes of death were listed there anyway. Go figure. > snip > We just have to find out the rules and play by them to get the best results. Although in this day and age, I don't think I'd mail my driver's licence to someone I didn't know. I'd look for some other alternative. > > Kathi > IBSSG > New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer > New Jersey - Thompson/Early/Coyle/Hunter > Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger

Hi Joy, I don't know about "early 1900s" but when I got married in the fifties I was required to prove my age when obtaining the license because I looked so young. My husband- to- be did not have to show proof of age and when asked his parents names gave the wrong maiden for his mother. She had died when he was 2 yrs old so it was an honest mistake. When I joined DAR, I had to sign a form because of that error even though it wasn't MY family. My best girlfriend who was underage was NOT required to submit proof of age because she didn't look underage. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy McMillan" <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate when > you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to > figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came directly > from their birth certificate. > > Thanks, > Joy > > Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> wrote: > It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had > nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for > taking an interest. > > Joy > > Cliff Lamere wrote: > I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to > prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information > that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. > She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in > order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she > is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state > and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me > that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and > that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was > correct, as well as required by the state. > > She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the > back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid > researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to > get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the > general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for > myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information > that I received over the phone. More later. > > Cliff Lamere > > > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wouldn't it be nice if all wanted same info and charged same price and were sensible about it! Sometimes, various groups want to protect society from this or that and get a law passed that creates a hardship on us. Judy ---- Original Message ---- From: grlswthguitars@aol.com To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:06:52 -0400 >My two cents on this subject: > >The State of New Jersey required ID before processing my request for >a genealogical copy of a death certificate over 120 years old, even >though their own published guidelines say this isn't necessary. They >returned my request TWICE before I sent copies of utility bills with >the account numbers obliterated (in lieu of my driver's license). So >10 months after my initial request, I received a death certificate >from 1880 with the cause of death blacked out as a privacy issue. >The wrong death certificate. The name was the same but the other >information could hardly have been more different (an infant vs. a 60 >year old woman). Then I found the films at LDS with the indexed VR >and the causes of death were listed there anyway. Go figure. > >Rye Township (NY) clerk sent me a death record a couple of years ago >and only charged me $10 instead of the fee "mandated by the state". >Even verified that they had the record before I send the money. > >Racine WI will let you look through the VR index books & certificates >but you can't make copies. Before they let you in the room you have >to show your ID and fill out a form. They were not happy that my >address was not correct on my driver's license (California doesn't do >corrections on your physical license until you renew) and took much >persuading to allow me to do my research anyway. If you want copies >you have to order them and they'll mail them to you, no same day >service. They also won't take personal checks - money order only. > >And St. Mary's Catholic Church in Oswego used to let people look at >their records but now they don't because someone ripped out whole >pages. They have been very helpful looking up records, even >searching many years with vague criteria but they are now adamant >about not allowing people to touch their books. Personally, I don't >blame them. > >Then you have Missouri, bless them, doing their best to get their >older vital records online and available to all. > >We just have to find out the rules and play by them to get the best >results. Although in this day and age, I don't think I'd mail my >driver's licence to someone I didn't know. I'd look for some other >alternative. > >Kathi >IBSSG >New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer >New Jersey - Thompson/Early/Coyle/Hunter >Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >___ >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's >free from AOL at AOL.com. >*************************************** >Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >*************************************** >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, New to the list, looking for information on JOHN HARVEY1 CONKLIN was born April 16, 1819 in New York, and died February 17, 1858 in Peekskill, Westchester Co., NY. He married ANN ELIZA BLAUVELT July 01, 1840 in New York. She was born September 06, 1819 in New York, and died December 21, 1886 in Emeline, Jackson Co, Iowa. After John died, Ann Eliza went to Iowa with most of the children. She is enumerated in Jackson County, Iowa in 1860 as a pauper. She remarried to a man named Peter Dewitt in 1868. I desperately need to find out the parents of John Harvey Conklin and Ann Eliza Blauvelt. Any help is greatly appreciated!! Dianne McLean In Arizona

Maureen, I had a feeling that would be the case. We have parents names on two marriage records(of sibs) that just dont work at all. I have a feeling the names were not the legal names. I also believe the parents died when he was young as well. I have found in one case a family member went by her confirmation name her entire adult life and was buried with it (which took forever to figure out.) Thanks for the info.....we will keep digging. Joy quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Joy, I don't know about "early 1900s" but when I got married in the fifties I was required to prove my age when obtaining the license because I looked so young. My husband- to- be did not have to show proof of age and when asked his parents names gave the wrong maiden for his mother. She had died when he was 2 yrs old so it was an honest mistake. When I joined DAR, I had to sign a form because of that error even though it wasn't MY family. My best girlfriend who was underage was NOT required to submit proof of age because she didn't look underage. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy McMillan" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate when > you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to > figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came directly > from their birth certificate. > > Thanks, > Joy > > Joy McMillan wrote: > It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had > nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for > taking an interest. > > Joy > > Cliff Lamere wrote: > I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to > prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information > that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. > She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in > order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she > is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state > and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me > that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and > that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was > correct, as well as required by the state. > > She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the > back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid > researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to > get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the > general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for > myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information > that I received over the phone. More later. > > Cliff Lamere > > > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.

My two cents on this subject: The State of New Jersey required ID before processing my request for a genealogical copy of a death certificate over 120 years old, even though their own published guidelines say this isn't necessary. They returned my request TWICE before I sent copies of utility bills with the account numbers obliterated (in lieu of my driver's license). So 10 months after my initial request, I received a death certificate from 1880 with the cause of death blacked out as a privacy issue. The wrong death certificate. The name was the same but the other information could hardly have been more different (an infant vs. a 60 year old woman). Then I found the films at LDS with the indexed VR and the causes of death were listed there anyway. Go figure. Rye Township (NY) clerk sent me a death record a couple of years ago and only charged me $10 instead of the fee "mandated by the state". Even verified that they had the record before I send the money. Racine WI will let you look through the VR index books & certificates but you can't make copies. Before they let you in the room you have to show your ID and fill out a form. They were not happy that my address was not correct on my driver's license (California doesn't do corrections on your physical license until you renew) and took much persuading to allow me to do my research anyway. If you want copies you have to order them and they'll mail them to you, no same day service. They also won't take personal checks - money order only. And St. Mary's Catholic Church in Oswego used to let people look at their records but now they don't because someone ripped out whole pages. They have been very helpful looking up records, even searching many years with vague criteria but they are now adamant about not allowing people to touch their books. Personally, I don't blame them. Then you have Missouri, bless them, doing their best to get their older vital records online and available to all. We just have to find out the rules and play by them to get the best results. Although in this day and age, I don't think I'd mail my driver's licence to someone I didn't know. I'd look for some other alternative. Kathi IBSSG New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer New Jersey - Thompson/Early/Coyle/Hunter Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was correct, as well as required by the state. She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information that I received over the phone. More later. Cliff Lamere

Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate when you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came directly from their birth certificate. Thanks, Joy Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> wrote: It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for taking an interest. Joy Cliff Lamere wrote: I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was correct, as well as required by the state. She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information that I received over the phone. More later. Cliff Lamere *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for taking an interest. Joy Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> wrote: I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was correct, as well as required by the state. She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information that I received over the phone. More later. Cliff Lamere *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Hi George, I've read horror stories of overeager genealogists riping out pp and such. One thing we have all got to realize is that these people are not being paid to help us with our family history searches. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license > Friends, > > Here is still another story to this vital records/drivers license episode. > > A few years ago, I was in the Bedford V/R office. Even though I am a > member > of the WCGS and CT Ancestry, and provided credentials from both > organizations > as well as showing my drivers license, they would not let me look at their > register books to find a death that probably occured about 100 years ago. > They > said that I might try to steal a whole page out of their register. I > offered to > look at the register book while it was on their counter and only in plain > view > of their eyes, but to no avail. They said they would look for the death > record if I could provide the year of death. I didn't know the year, and > that was > my purpose in being there. And then salt was poured into my wounds with > the > statement "Gov Pataky says....." So much for genealogy research in > Bedford > NY. > > George Hoyt in CA > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've never asked for a lookup because I didn't think I had a right to take up their time like that......after all they aren't there to do genealogical lookups. What I usually do if no website is available is to call and ask what the procedure is. Then I'm told to put in writing exactly what I want and enclose a personal check. Even Rochester allowed a personal check and no driver's license although the clerk acted as if I were an imbecile for some odd reason.LOL. '' I've never tried to get a record of a vital stat from Eastchester but have tried in the past to get other info and was treated abominably. The Town Historian didn't even have the courtesy to answer my letters and when I called (several toll callls) and spoke to his wife she informed me that he doesn't usually answer letters or phone calls. I wonder why he's there. I've never needed to inquire re Pelham records, but the Town Clerk in Ossining is a gem. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Davis" <ndavis1@san.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license > It depends on which town. Mt. Vernon required a copy of my driver's lic > and > a certified check for $11. This was before the unpleasant person would > even > look to see if my grandfather's death cert. was in file. The check was > returned to me, grandfather unk, so I called and told the person (same > one) > to look again. That time she located it so I sent it all back. Obviously, > certifying an $11 check is more of a hassle than running a copy of one's > driver's lic. I hope the city has changed their ways in the last 5 yrs. > > On the other hand, personnel in both Eastchester and Pelham were charming, > looked to see if they had what I needed, and then sent it on to me. I > don't > remember their requiring anything and I can't remember which sent the > information before they could have received the check. I wouldn't have > realized how exceptional they were, had I not encountered Mt. Vernon > first. > > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license > > >>I have sent for many death certificates thru the years...... the latest >>was >> my maternal grandmother's just recently She died in 1958. >> >> I have NEVER been asked for a driver's license and cannot think of any >> reason why proof of identity is needed unless the request is for a >> recent >> one for purposes other than genealogical. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Astridjean@aol.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license >> >> >>>A year ago my sister in Massachusetts sent for a death certificate and >>>she >>> had to enclose a copy of her driver's license. >>> Astrid >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** AOL now offers free email to >>> everyone. >>> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Friends, Here is still another story to this vital records/drivers license episode. A few years ago, I was in the Bedford V/R office. Even though I am a member of the WCGS and CT Ancestry, and provided credentials from both organizations as well as showing my drivers license, they would not let me look at their register books to find a death that probably occured about 100 years ago. They said that I might try to steal a whole page out of their register. I offered to look at the register book while it was on their counter and only in plain view of their eyes, but to no avail. They said they would look for the death record if I could provide the year of death. I didn't know the year, and that was my purpose in being there. And then salt was poured into my wounds with the statement "Gov Pataky says....." So much for genealogy research in Bedford NY. George Hoyt in CA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

It depends on which town. Mt. Vernon required a copy of my driver's lic and a certified check for $11. This was before the unpleasant person would even look to see if my grandfather's death cert. was in file. The check was returned to me, grandfather unk, so I called and told the person (same one) to look again. That time she located it so I sent it all back. Obviously, certifying an $11 check is more of a hassle than running a copy of one's driver's lic. I hope the city has changed their ways in the last 5 yrs. On the other hand, personnel in both Eastchester and Pelham were charming, looked to see if they had what I needed, and then sent it on to me. I don't remember their requiring anything and I can't remember which sent the information before they could have received the check. I wouldn't have realized how exceptional they were, had I not encountered Mt. Vernon first. To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license >I have sent for many death certificates thru the years...... the latest was > my maternal grandmother's just recently She died in 1958. > > I have NEVER been asked for a driver's license and cannot think of any > reason why proof of identity is needed unless the request is for a recent > one for purposes other than genealogical. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Astridjean@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license > > >>A year ago my sister in Massachusetts sent for a death certificate and >>she >> had to enclose a copy of her driver's license. >> Astrid >> >> >> >> ************************************** AOL now offers free email to >> everyone. >> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have sent for many death certificates thru the years...... the latest was my maternal grandmother's just recently She died in 1958. I have NEVER been asked for a driver's license and cannot think of any reason why proof of identity is needed unless the request is for a recent one for purposes other than genealogical. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <Astridjean@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license >A year ago my sister in Massachusetts sent for a death certificate and she > had to enclose a copy of her driver's license. > Astrid > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A year ago my sister in Massachusetts sent for a death certificate and she had to enclose a copy of her driver's license. Astrid ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Following message made me think. Trash it? Could this be a persons ID theft gimmick at Yonkers VR. Would someone have their phone No and ask the manager if and why they require ID? That assumes the Mngr. is legit. ============== He died in 1914 and they required a > copy of my driver's license even though it's a public record that anyone > walking into the building can look at. With the proliferation of > identity theft > these days, I'm surprised they would ask for a driver's license. > Needless to > say, I didn't send it - why should I send personal identifying > information > to a complete stranger (who may just end up tossing it in the trash for > anyone > to get) for a record that's almost 100 years old! > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I encountered a similar situation when inquiring about my great-grandfather's death certificate in Rockland County. He died in 1914 and they required a copy of my driver's license even though it's a public record that anyone walking into the building can look at. With the proliferation of identity theft these days, I'm surprised they would ask for a driver's license. Needless to say, I didn't send it - why should I send personal identifying information to a complete stranger (who may just end up tossing it in the trash for anyone to get) for a record that's almost 100 years old! ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.