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Charles, Back in those days people were not required to prove who they were every five minutes. .....not even to get in school. It was assummed that one's parents knew who was who.... and that was that. LOL....... So simple and nobody ever heard of identity theft. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Frank" <frank3@localnet.com> To: <NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Birth Certificate > Along the subect line. I recently learned that my mother never had a birth > certificate. She was born at home in 1912 and delivered by her > grandmother, who was a practicing Midwife. Her name was Wihemina > Nordenadler Dahl and lived in Sleepy Hollow and may have delivered some of > your ancestors as well. Anyhow, the event never did get recorded, so when > my mother retired and went to file for Social Security, they gave her a > very hard time. What I can't figure out, is how she got by with out it all > those years. > Charles > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cliff just inquired yesterday and got conflicting answers from the Yonkers City Clerk's Office. Remember?? Shortly before that there was a post from someone telling about her trouble with Yonkers. That's why Cliff went to the trouble of inquiring. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Gizzi" <gizzi1213@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license > GrlsWthGuitars@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> I confess, I don't remember exactly what was being >> requested at Yonkers that started this thread, but maybe the date is the >> issue? >> >> > > > That actually, is an interesting comment. I believe the discussion > started with this inquiry: > >> I want to send for a death certificate for Yonkers. On the application >> there is this question "Purpose for which record is required". I normally >> would say "Genealogy", but I hear it's hard to get any certificate from >> Yonkers and someone suggested to fill question in with "Pass Port" when >> ordering a birth certificate. Any suggestions for death certificates? And >> do I have to send a copy of my drivers license? >> >> > So now I'm wondering, do we KNOW that Yonkers requires a driver's > license when requesting the records, or has this discussion just > spiraled out of control as subsequently people shared stories about > OTHER municipalities that require a driver's license? > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

........and let's not forget all those poor souls who needed proof of age to collect their Social Security retirement in the 1940s and 1950s and had no birth certificate...... nor baptismal certificate because the church had burned down or some such. Those army discharge papers were a godsend particularly in cases where the recipient had filed them locally with the town/city clerk. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GrlsWthGuitars@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > > > I don't think there would have been a requirement since there wasn't > really > a requirement that people have birth certificates until after 1900. From > what I can tell, few states required them prior to about 1905 and even > then they > don't seem to be reliably found until around 1915. I have several > marriage > certificates from the late 1890's that have incorrect information for a > mother's maiden name. > Oh, and I just remembered. My grandparents were married in Port Chester > in > 1921. My grandfather, born in 1898 didn't have a birth certificate and > in > later years always used his army discharge papers from WWI as proof of > his age. > Not only are there errors about where his parents were born, but he had > been > married before and they accepted his statement that he hadn't seen his > 1st > wife in over 9 years but had never officially been divorced and granted > the > marriage license. > > During WW2 my other grandfather, who also didn't have a birth certificate > and didn't have the benefit of military service, had to get a delayed > birth > certificate. He had to submitt a certified copy of his baptismal record, > a > record from when he started school, and a sworn statement by his oldest > sister > who was present at his birth. This was in 1942 when he went to work at a > defense plant. So that means that when he got married in 1919 he didn't > have a > birth certificate. And this was in Wisconsin, which was one of the first > states to require civil registration beginning in 1904 (or was it 1907?). > > When I started down this wonderful road of family research, I was > cautioned > that the only information that could be relyed on on a document was the > information relating to that specific event. All other information should > be > considered suspect until verified by a second source. > > > Kathi > IBSSG > New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer > Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger > > > > > > In a message dated 3/29/2007 11:32:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > joygrl_203@yahoo.com writes: > > Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate when > you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to > figure > out if the parents names provided was guess work or came directly from > their > birth certificate. > > Thanks, > Joy > > Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> wrote: > It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had > nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for > taking an > interest. > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Maureen. I still have our children and grandchildren to remember him by. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > So sorry for your loss, Joan. ....but at least you have the comfort of > knowing that the two of you lived a good long happy life together.. > > In NYS at the time we only had to be 18 to get married without consent. I > was 19 but looked much younger. He was 21 and just out of the service. > > Maureen > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Martin" <jbmart51@earthlink.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > > >> Hi, Maureen! Just the opporite happened to me. I was 6 months older than >> my husband and the Clerk of the town told him she was real sorry, but he >> would have to go home and get his mother to sign that he was old enough to >> marry me. I was 21 and he was only 20. >> Oh well, it lasted for 55 years anyway, I THINK he was happy that we made >> it that far! He's only been gone 6 months yesterday. I miss him so much. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license >> >> >> > Hi Joy, >> > >> > I don't know about "early 1900s" but when I got married in the fifties >> I >> was >> > required to prove my age when obtaining the license because I looked so >> > young. >> > >> > My husband- to- be did not have to show proof of age and when asked his >> > parents names gave the wrong maiden for his mother. She had died when >> he >> was >> > 2 yrs old so it was an honest mistake. When I joined DAR, I had to sign >> a >> > form because of that error even though it wasn't MY family. >> > >> > My best girlfriend who was underage was NOT required to submit proof of >> age >> > because she didn't look underage. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Joy McMillan" <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> >> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:31 PM >> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license >> > >> > >> >> Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate >> when >> >> you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to >> >> figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came >> directly >> >> from their birth certificate. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joy >> >> >> >> Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had >> >> nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks >> for >> >> taking an interest. >> >> >> >> Joy >> >> >> >> Cliff Lamere wrote: >> >> I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need >> to >> >> prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information >> >> that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. >> >> She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in >> >> order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe >> she >> >> is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the >> state >> >> and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me >> >> that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and >> >> that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing >> was >> >> correct, as well as required by the state. >> >> >> >> She said that she had a general information form from the state, on >> the >> >> back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid >> >> researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to >> >> get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the >> >> general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for >> >> myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information >> >> that I received over the phone. More later. >> >> >> >> Cliff Lamere >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> >> *************************************** >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> Don't pick lemons. >> >> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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There were several Blauvelt's in Orange County, NY also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Frank" <frank3@localnet.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] LOOKUP REQUEST - Conklin > Dianne, > I have both Blauvelts and Conklins on

Along the subect line. I recently learned that my mother never had a birth certificate. She was born at home in 1912 and delivered by her grandmother, who was a practicing Midwife. Her name was Wihemina Nordenadler Dahl and lived in Sleepy Hollow and may have delivered some of your ancestors as well. Anyhow, the event never did get recorded, so when my mother retired and went to file for Social Security, they gave her a very hard time. What I can't figure out, is how she got by with out it all those years. Charles

Dianne, I have both Blauvelts and Conklins on my tree, however I don't see the ones you mention. Both families seem to have more roots in Rockland County, NY and North Jersey and then follow from there. Two sites you might try are; www.blauvelt.org www.blauvelt.com Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne McLean" <mclean@npgcable.com> To: <NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] LOOKUP REQUEST - Conklin > Hello, > > > > New to the list, looking for information on > > > > JOHN HARVEY1 CONKLIN was born April 16, 1819 in New York, and died > February > 17, 1858 in Peekskill, Westchester Co., NY. > > > > He married ANN ELIZA BLAUVELT July 01, 1840 in New York. She was born > September 06, 1819 in New York, and died December 21, 1886 in Emeline, > Jackson Co, Iowa. > > > > After John died, Ann Eliza went to Iowa with most of the children. She is > enumerated in Jackson County, Iowa in 1860 as a pauper. She remarried to > a > man named Peter Dewitt in 1868. > > > > I desperately need to find out the parents of John Harvey Conklin and Ann > Eliza Blauvelt. > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated!! > > > > Dianne McLean > > In Arizona > > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

GrlsWthGuitars@aol.com wrote: > > > I confess, I don't remember exactly what was being > requested at Yonkers that started this thread, but maybe the date is the issue? > > That actually, is an interesting comment. I believe the discussion started with this inquiry: > I want to send for a death certificate for Yonkers. On the application there is this question "Purpose for which record is required". I normally would say "Genealogy", but I hear it's hard to get any certificate from Yonkers and someone suggested to fill question in with "Pass Port" when ordering a birth certificate. Any suggestions for death certificates? And do I have to send a copy of my drivers license? > > So now I'm wondering, do we KNOW that Yonkers requires a driver's license when requesting the records, or has this discussion just spiraled out of control as subsequently people shared stories about OTHER municipalities that require a driver's license?

I don't think there would have been a requirement since there wasn't really a requirement that people have birth certificates until after 1900. From what I can tell, few states required them prior to about 1905 and even then they don't seem to be reliably found until around 1915. I have several marriage certificates from the late 1890's that have incorrect information for a mother's maiden name. Oh, and I just remembered. My grandparents were married in Port Chester in 1921. My grandfather, born in 1898 didn't have a birth certificate and in later years always used his army discharge papers from WWI as proof of his age. Not only are there errors about where his parents were born, but he had been married before and they accepted his statement that he hadn't seen his 1st wife in over 9 years but had never officially been divorced and granted the marriage license. During WW2 my other grandfather, who also didn't have a birth certificate and didn't have the benefit of military service, had to get a delayed birth certificate. He had to submitt a certified copy of his baptismal record, a record from when he started school, and a sworn statement by his oldest sister who was present at his birth. This was in 1942 when he went to work at a defense plant. So that means that when he got married in 1919 he didn't have a birth certificate. And this was in Wisconsin, which was one of the first states to require civil registration beginning in 1904 (or was it 1907?). When I started down this wonderful road of family research, I was cautioned that the only information that could be relyed on on a document was the information relating to that specific event. All other information should be considered suspect until verified by a second source. Kathi IBSSG New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger In a message dated 3/29/2007 11:32:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, joygrl_203@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate when you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came directly from their birth certificate. Thanks, Joy Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> wrote: It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for taking an interest. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I have no personal knowledge, but according to the Yonkers website, in mayor's biography, it says he took office in 2004. A coincidence? Maureen in NJ On 3/29/07, Adrienne Sowards <woteger@hotmail.com> wrote: > Well, I guess it's good (but not really) that I'm not the only one having > trouble with Yonkers. > > The thing that baffles me is that Yonkers used to be fantastic to work with. > I once got a reply back exactly one week after I mailed the request. > Another time they gave me a refund because I accidentally overpaid. > > This all seemed to stop around 2002-2003 or so. Anyone have any theories > why?

I'll be interested to hear about this. I've never ordered from the State of NY because I was told early on that I'd get things sooner from the local offices. No one has ever asked for my ID when I've made those requests. The current form online at the State Vital records states that you need documentation of your relationship if you are requesting records that are more recent than 50 years for marriage and death records or 75 years for birth records. And it states that the person whose records your are requesting must be known to be deceased. I confess, I don't remember exactly what was being requested at Yonkers that started this thread, but maybe the date is the issue? Los Angeles County is funny. Death certificates, for the most part, are public records and can be inspected by anyone. You just can't get a copy. So I can go to the office, look up a certificate number , they pull the film and, get this, make a copy for me to look at. But I have to give them back the copy before I leave. I haven't been there in a while and this was before everyone and their Aunt Fanny had a camera in their phone. Don't know what they've done about that if anything. The land records office is across the hall. Wonderful dusty old room that you can wander around in and look at the indexes, books and microfilms on your own. But again, no copies can be made and they must be ordered by mail. Kathi IBSSG New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger In a message dated 3/29/2007 10:20:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, clifflamere@nycap.rr.com writes: I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was correct, as well as required by the state. She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information that I received over the phone. More later. Cliff Lamere ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

So sorry for your loss, Joan. ....but at least you have the comfort of knowing that the two of you lived a good long happy life together.. In NYS at the time we only had to be 18 to get married without consent. I was 19 but looked much younger. He was 21 and just out of the service. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Martin" <jbmart51@earthlink.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > Hi, Maureen! Just the opporite happened to me. I was 6 months older than > my husband and the Clerk of the town told him she was real sorry, but he > would have to go home and get his mother to sign that he was old enough to > marry me. I was 21 and he was only 20. > Oh well, it lasted for 55 years anyway, I THINK he was happy that we made > it that far! He's only been gone 6 months yesterday. I miss him so much. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > > > > Hi Joy, > > > > I don't know about "early 1900s" but when I got married in the fifties > I > was > > required to prove my age when obtaining the license because I looked so > > young. > > > > My husband- to- be did not have to show proof of age and when asked his > > parents names gave the wrong maiden for his mother. She had died when > he > was > > 2 yrs old so it was an honest mistake. When I joined DAR, I had to sign > a > > form because of that error even though it wasn't MY family. > > > > My best girlfriend who was underage was NOT required to submit proof of > age > > because she didn't look underage. > > > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joy McMillan" <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > > > > > >> Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate > when > >> you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to > >> figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came > directly > >> from their birth certificate. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Joy > >> > >> Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had > >> nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks > for > >> taking an interest. > >> > >> Joy > >> > >> Cliff Lamere wrote: > >> I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need > to > >> prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information > >> that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. > >> She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in > >> order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe > she > >> is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the > state > >> and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me > >> that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and > >> that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing > was > >> correct, as well as required by the state. > >> > >> She said that she had a general information form from the state, on > the > >> back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid > >> researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to > >> get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the > >> general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for > >> myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information > >> that I received over the phone. More later. > >> > >> Cliff Lamere > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *************************************** > >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > >> *************************************** > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> Don't pick lemons. > >> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > >> *************************************** > >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > >> *************************************** > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > >> Try the free Yahoo! 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I read somewhere a few years ago that New York State was the "black hole of genealogy". New Jersey must be second in line.LOL. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license > It was only maybe 6 or 7 years ago and we were on a vacation/genealogy > research trip in West Virginia. We walked into the office in Charleston > and got > copies of my husband's LIVING aunts and uncles BIRTH certs without any > ID and > they were something ridiculous like $3.00 each! They did not have one of > his > aun'ts birth record so we looked on the microfilms at the Archives, my > husband found it and we drove to the town where she was born and got a > certified > copy for her WITHOUT showing any ID! > > NY & NJ are just very difficult states to deal with. > > Judy Wolf > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Must be a change of personnel. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrienne Sowards" <woteger@hotmail.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Yonkers Vital Records > Well, I guess it's good (but not really) that I'm not the only one having > trouble with Yonkers. > > The thing that baffles me is that Yonkers used to be fantastic to work > with. > I once got a reply back exactly one week after I mailed the request. > Another time they gave me a refund because I accidentally overpaid. > > This all seemed to stop around 2002-2003 or so. Anyone have any theories > why? > > >>From: Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> >>Reply-To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license >>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT) >> >>It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had >>nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for >>taking an interest. >> >> Joy >> >>Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> wrote: >> I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need >> to >>prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information >>that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. >>She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in >>order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she >>is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state >>and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me >>that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and >>that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was >>correct, as well as required by the state. >> >>She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the >>back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid >>researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to >>get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the >>general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for >>myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information >>that I received over the phone. More later. >> >>Cliff Lamere >> >> >> >> >> >> >>*************************************** >>Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>*************************************** >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Don't pick lemons. >>See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. >>*************************************** >>Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>*************************************** >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Maureen! Just the opporite happened to me. I was 6 months older than my husband and the Clerk of the town told him she was real sorry, but he would have to go home and get his mother to sign that he was old enough to marry me. I was 21 and he was only 20. Oh well, it lasted for 55 years anyway, I THINK he was happy that we made it that far! He's only been gone 6 months yesterday. I miss him so much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > Hi Joy, > > I don't know about "early 1900s" but when I got married in the fifties I was > required to prove my age when obtaining the license because I looked so > young. > > My husband- to- be did not have to show proof of age and when asked his > parents names gave the wrong maiden for his mother. She had died when he was > 2 yrs old so it was an honest mistake. When I joined DAR, I had to sign a > form because of that error even though it wasn't MY family. > > My best girlfriend who was underage was NOT required to submit proof of age > because she didn't look underage. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy McMillan" <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] marriage license > > >> Does anyone know if it was a requirement to show a birth certificate when >> you applied for a marriage license in the early 1900's? I am trying to >> figure out if the parents names provided was guess work or came directly >> from their birth certificate. >> >> Thanks, >> Joy >> >> Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> wrote: >> It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had >> nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for >> taking an interest. >> >> Joy >> >> Cliff Lamere wrote: >> I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to >> prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information >> that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. >> She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in >> order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she >> is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state >> and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me >> that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and >> that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was >> correct, as well as required by the state. >> >> She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the >> back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid >> researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to >> get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the >> general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for >> myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information >> that I received over the phone. More later. >> >> Cliff Lamere >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Don't pick lemons. >> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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It was only maybe 6 or 7 years ago and we were on a vacation/genealogy research trip in West Virginia. We walked into the office in Charleston and got copies of my husband's LIVING aunts and uncles BIRTH certs without any ID and they were something ridiculous like $3.00 each! They did not have one of his aun'ts birth record so we looked on the microfilms at the Archives, my husband found it and we drove to the town where she was born and got a certified copy for her WITHOUT showing any ID! NY & NJ are just very difficult states to deal with. Judy Wolf ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

My worst experience was in Rockland County, where the clerk was indignant that I tried to read - upside down - the entries in the marriage register of 100+ years ago. As though my eyes were going to take something away...... Regina Haring ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mert & Holly Kilpatrick" <kilpatrk@epix.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license >I will be very interested to hear the outcome. I STILL have a bad taste in > my mouth from my interaction with the Port Chester clerk. Very > unpleasant. > Yes, I have seen books where some jerk ripped a page out, and I can > certainly understand if they don't want people handling the books without > supervision, but to act as if the sky will fall if I happen to see someone > else's name from 1890...when I can go 5 miles over the CT border and sit > down and peruse the books all morning. How could the privacy needs be so > different 5 miles apart? > Holly

I will be very interested to hear the outcome. I STILL have a bad taste in my mouth from my interaction with the Port Chester clerk. Very unpleasant. Yes, I have seen books where some jerk ripped a page out, and I can certainly understand if they don't want people handling the books without supervision, but to act as if the sky will fall if I happen to see someone else's name from 1890...when I can go 5 miles over the CT border and sit down and peruse the books all morning. How could the privacy needs be so different 5 miles apart? Holly >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license > >I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to >prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information >that I was given was conflicting, ...<snip>... Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information >that I received over the phone. More later. > >Cliff Lamere >

Well, I guess it's good (but not really) that I'm not the only one having trouble with Yonkers. The thing that baffles me is that Yonkers used to be fantastic to work with. I once got a reply back exactly one week after I mailed the request. Another time they gave me a refund because I accidentally overpaid. This all seemed to stop around 2002-2003 or so. Anyone have any theories why? >From: Joy McMillan <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Vital Records & drivers license >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT) > >It would be great to get this issue settled. My mother and I have had >nothing but returned checks and the run around from Yonkers. Thanks for >taking an interest. > > Joy > >Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> wrote: > I phoned Yonkers twice yesterday to see what they said about the need to >prove your identity by providing a driver's license. The information >that I was given was conflicting, so I spoke with the Registrar today. >She agreed with the need to provide a drivers license or photo ID in >order to get either a genealogy or certified certificate. I believe she >is wrong. I told her that I have bought hundreds of them from the state >and was never asked to provide any such proof. The Registrar told me >that another genealogist had raised the same question in the past and >that she had phoned Albany to confirmed that what Yonkers was doing was >correct, as well as required by the state. > >She said that she had a general information form from the state, on the >back of which it stated the requirements. She told me that even a paid >researcher who wanted to get a certificate for a client would need to >get a release from their client in order to get it. I will receive the >general form in the mail soon, so that I can read the requirements for >myself. Something is wrong, but I can't tell what by the information >that I received over the phone. More later. > >Cliff Lamere > > > > > > >*************************************** >Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >*************************************** >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >--------------------------------- >Don't pick lemons. >See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. >*************************************** >Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >*************************************** >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/