Woodlawn Cemetery, Bronx NYC, is a 400 acre, non-sectarian cemetery that opened n 1863. In 2011 it was designated as a National Historic Landmark. Woodlawn has often been referred to as the "final resting place of the rich and famous. (The major Catholic cemetery in Bronx County NYC is ST. Raymond's Old and New.) Interested in Woodlawn? Check out this video .>>> http://entertainment.time.com/2013/10/29/woodlawn-cemetery-where-the-rich-and-famous-spend-eternity/ Here's the Find A Grave aka FAG contributor-based index to burials at Woodlawn> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=66788 Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

Good post, Barb. I have had the occasion to use their genealogy services and they were very good and I got great info, but they do charge. Your death cert will give place of burial. If Woodlawn, go to their site and do a search. I was searching SMITH, so got lots of hits, but then I searched each member of the family and they were all in two graves, so I paid for their research. On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 8:31 PM, mizscarlettny via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > Woodlawn Cemetery, Bronx NYC, is a 400 acre, non-sectarian cemetery that > opened n 1863. > In 2011 it was designated as a National Historic Landmark. Woodlawn has > often been referred to > as the "final resting place of the rich and famous. > > > (The major Catholic cemetery in Bronx County NYC is ST. Raymond's Old and > New.) > > > > > Interested in Woodlawn? Check out this video .>>> > > > > http://entertainment.time.com/2013/10/29/woodlawn-cemetery-where-the-rich-and-famous-spend-eternity/ > > Here's the Find A Grave aka FAG contributor-based index to burials at > Woodlawn> > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=66788 > > > > > Barb > MizScarlettNY@aol.com > > > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Thanks, Brian; you're posts are especially helpful. For clarification purposes, the NYC Municipal Archives is one branch of "DORIS"= Department of Records and Informational Services. Thus, the term DORIS is not exclusive to the NYC Municipal Archives. Barb MizScarlettNy@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian J Densmore via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> This is indeed a record pulled from the DORIS Municipal Archives Index of marriage records. The certificate number "appears" to be #3364. It's entirely possible, that the IGG/GGG volunteers missed the record. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/399474?availability=Family%20History%20Library

This is indeed a record pulled from the DORIS Municipal Archives Index of marriage records. The certificate number "appears" to be #3364. It's entirely possible, that the IGG/GGG volunteers missed the record. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/399474?availability=Family%20History%20Library You have three choices: 1) visit/write DORIS for a search for this record (giving the month and year, or just the year), or 2) rent the above film and see what information it has, and perhaps confirm my suspicion of the certificate number, which would make ordering the certificate easier. The two entries, are likely where a person came along and submitted a correction to the LDS Library folks. I've done the same thing, with my great-grandmother's NYC marriage record in 1897. Although, they've never corrected it and it still only comes up under the nonsense name "Philyuna", rather than "Philapena" (German handschrift signature, meaning one of her parents taught her to write - both German immigrants, or a German-American school). I could have asked her, had my parents not hidden the fact I had a living gr-grandmother as a child. Alternatively, you can run with my deduction and order Manhattan certificate 3364 for 1887. I get that number from the reference number recorded by the transcriptionist for the FHL. In my gr-grandmother's case it is indeed the Certificate #. But, I offer no guarantee I am correct. Option number 1 is a solid choice. > Wednesday night while searching on FamilySearch.org I stumbled on the > following two references. I saw the document listings from my search, > but thought posting the references would be better here. The clue was > the bride's parent's names - which might have located my > great-grandfather's oldest sister. > > "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, > FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24H4-74M : > accessed 26 May 2016), William Jemru Haring and Mary E. Hannigan, 04 > Aug 1887; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United > States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm > 1,671,683. > "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, > FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2434-MJ5 : > accessed 26 May 2016), William Henry Harring and Mary Ellen > Hannigan, 04 Aug 1887; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New > York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL > microfilm 1,571,006. >

Hi John, My vote is that these are the same marriage transcribed by two different transcribers, or one marriage was transcribed and the other was submitted by an LDS member. This is not uncommon as non-native English speakers do transcribe for LDS. I too searched GGG/IGG various ways and did not find a marriage. This is not uncommon as this index is incomplete. You could search the Manhattan Marriage Index for 1887 for HARING and HARRING, then view the indicated certificate/s to determine the truth. The only other way to ascertain which is the more accurate MC information is to rent both films from LDS/Family Search. BTW I know someone who has long researched the HARING surname. Please contact me off list if you're interested. Take care, Barb -----Original Message----- From: Hannigan Genealogy via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> FamilySearch.org MANHATTAN MARRIAGE William Jemru Haring and Mary E. Hannigan, 04 Aug 1887 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24H4-74M MANHATTAN MARRIAGE William Henry Harring and Mary Ellen Hannigan 04 Aug 1887 .https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2434-MJ5

This probably does not apply to Westchester County as much as it applies to the Bronx and New York City. However, (while lurking in the shadows) I know this list have been helpful in providing information tips. Here is my situation: I need some help on my BSO. I might have broken through a very difficult wall - and I actually stumbled over the brick to find it - I think!. Wednesday night while searching on FamilySearch.org I stumbled on the following two references. I saw the document listings from my search, but thought posting the references would be better here. The clue was the bride's parent's names - which might have located my great-grandfather's oldest sister. "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24H4-74M : accessed 26 May 2016), William Jemru Haring and Mary E. Hannigan, 04 Aug 1887; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,671,683. "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2434-MJ5 : accessed 26 May 2016), William Henry Harring and Mary Ellen Hannigan, 04 Aug 1887; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,571,006. While these appear to be two records referenced, I actually believe them to be the same event on 4 August 1887. Name variations might be due to transcriptions and if two different people did the transcription of the same record, that could explain the difference. Here is the problem, I cannot locate the record in the index of the German Genealogy Group database. Nothing! Nada! Zilch! Are these references to the holdings at the NYC DORIS office? Or are they referencing something else? Why would the GGG database not include these listings if they are from those holdings? Also, the had six children born between 1887 and 1901 in the NYC area. In 1900 they were living on Brooke Avenue in the Bronx (according to the US Census). The list of the children's names is: Anna [Sep 1887] 12 {b. New York} Mary E [Oct 1889] 10 {b. New York} William J [Jan 1892] 8 {b. New York} Florence [Dec 1893] 6 {b. New York} {d. 1910 Trenton, NJ} buried at St. Raymond's Laura [May 1898] 2 {b. New York} Ida [1901] {b. New York} Here again, I am particularly interested in one person because in 1953 my father visited his great aunt Mae in Trenton NJ and he thought it was his grandfather's sister, but it was probably her daughter. With that being said, I am trying to fill out the branch on the tree and am looking for any assistance in finding the certificate number so I can order them for the appropriate repository. Thank you for any advice. John Hannigan Florida

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The Connecticut Ancestry Society and the Stamford Historical Society will sponsor a workshop, "How to Use your 'cousin' autosomal DNA Test Results," presented by Nora Galvin, CG., on Sat. June 11, 2016, 10:30 a.m.-12:30 p.m. at Stamford Historical Society, 1508 High Ridge Road, Stamford CT. Bring your laptop or tablet for a hands-on experience. Free and open to the public.

Hello all: I have updated the obituary index for the Herald-Statesman (published in Yonkers, N.Y.) for 1951 (April-June, August-December). There are currently almost 4800 names listed. Only about half of the names listed actually resided in Yonkers at their death; the paper published obituaries for relatives of residents who resided all over the country. If you ever had family who lived in Yonkers, I suggest you check it out. Visit my website at: https://sites.google.com/site/yonkershistory/ and click on "Yonkers Obituaries" to see the index. I hope this information will be helpful! Bryan Healy

A complete set of these NYS DOH BMDs are available at: ALBANY. New York State Archives, Cultural Education Center, Empire State Plaza, Albany 12230. No appointment is needed to use the indexes. Researchers must produce identification, sign a registration form, and comply with the rules of the research room. Several microfiche readers are available for use; however, researchers will be limited to one hour's use of a microfiche reader, if other persons are waiting to use the readers. BINGHAMTON. Broome County Public Library (link is external) —185 Court Street, Binghamton, NY 13901; telephone (607) 778-6400. BUFFALO. Buffalo & Erie County Public Library (link is external) , Grosvenor Room, 1 Lafayette Square, Buffalo, NY 14203; telephone (716) 858-8900. ELMIRA. Steele Memorial Library (link is external) —101 East Church Street, Elmira, NY 14901; telephone (607) 733-8603. GLENS FALLS. Crandall Public Library (link is external) , Center for Folklife, History & Cultural Programs—251 Glen Street, Glens Falls, NY 12801; telephone (518) 792-6508. NEW YORK CITY. National Archives at New York City (link is external) , One Bowling Green, New York, NY 10004; telephone (212) 401-1620, emailnewyork.archives@nara.gov (link sends e-mail) . PATCHOGUE. Patchogue-Medford Library (link is external) —54 E. Main Street, Patchogue, NY 11772; telephone (631) 654-4700. ROCHESTER. Rochester Public Library (link is external) --115 South Avenue, Rochester, NY 14604; telephone (585) 428-8440. SYRACUSE. Onondaga County Public Library (link is external) , 447 South Salina Street, Syracuse, NY 13202; telephone (315) 435-1900. UTICA. Utica Public Library (link is external) —303 Genesee Street, Utica, NY 13501; telephone (315) 735-2279. WATERTOWN. Flower Memorial Library (link is external) —229 Washington Street, Watertown, NY 13601; telephone (315) 785-7705. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny via <nynassau@rootsweb.com> New York STATE...Vitals "Indexes" on microfiche [Repository= Albany NY] Births (1881-1933) Marriages (1881-1958) Deaths (1880-1958) EXcludes: Cities of Albany, Rochester & Yonkers Counties of: New York, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens & Staten Island [aka New York CITY] NOTE: Nassau & Suffolk Counties are part of NY STATE indexing. An index search will provide you with: Name, Date of Event, Location of Event, Certificate Number FREE Look Ups: RAOGK> Elaina LaGreca> elainelagreca@optonline.net . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNASSAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brain:  I agree with you on future changes in Software and computers. My question is how do you get the do you get the code for GIF and jpeg? From: Brian J Densmore via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] PA Archivist's Dilemma > "But when you give me a digital record to preserve, think about putting it > on the shelf and coming back in a hundred years. The hardware has changed > incredibly, the software to read it has changed. And so we have many > different formats of records that we are going to have to preserve for > hundreds of years, and that is a great, great challenge." THIS, is what happens when you don't have properly educated decision makers. Sure hardware changes, so that is an issue. Although the appropriate hardware to read whatever media you store it on could be mothballed and later retrieved to access and transfer, if that were a real concern. Or simply store the specifications on how to build the hardware. The software to read it issue is another thing entirely. It's been 20 to 30 years since GIF and jpeg formats came out. They are still in use today, and amazingly my images from the 80s are still readable on all kinds of hardware that didn't exist back then. Next up, if stored digitally, as you add new hardware you can upgrade quite easily with simple tools. Back to the software, it's just a set of instructions. Save the code for any software so it can be compiled on new hardware. You could even save it on paper. I have code from 1980, that still compiles on new hardware today. Go figure. I have code that was given to me that was written in the 50s(70+ years old). It still compiles today on hardware that wasn't even dreamed of back then. There is your almost 3/4 mark to 100 years. Sure it's primitive code by today's standards, and some of it must be run in an emulator (a virtual mainframe). I get it, that archivists aren't necessarily geeks, but that is no excuse for not asking experts before spouting off with unnecessary FUD. Lastly, only a fool in today's world would think it's ok to store something for a hundred years without checking to make sure it's still usable every few years at minimum. Furthermore, as technology progresses, you're going to have plenty of time to swap old storage media and software out for new stuff when it comes out. So worrying about a complete non-issue. Like what became of the carriage makers of the 1800s? Some switched over to making automobile bodies, and then into auto repair shops. Other's went out of business. You either adapt or stick you head in the ground. And yes, I'm going to say it. This is not rocket science. Not some magical, mysterious, black magic that can't be understood by "ordinary" people. [end rant] *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester  County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years.  Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a pre-apocalyptic world, children are not taught how to sign their names in cursive. But in a post apocalyptic World, they may not be able to read books either Thanks for the tech stuff "Brain Brian." Barb -----Original Message----- From: Brian J Densmore via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> To: nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, May 19, 2016 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] PA Archivist's Dilemma > Brain: I agree with you on future changes in Software and computers. My > question is how do you get the do you get the code for GIF and jpeg?

New York STATE...Vitals "Indexes" on microfiche [Repository= Albany NY] Births (1881-1933) Marriages (1881-1958) Deaths (1880-1958) EXcludes: Cities of Albany, Rochester & Yonkers Counties of: New York, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens & Staten Island [aka New York CITY] NOTE: Nassau & Suffolk Counties are part of NY STATE indexing. An index search will provide you with: Name, Date of Event, Location of Event, Certificate Number FREE Look Ups: RAOGK> Elaina LaGreca> elainelagreca@optonline.net .

> Brain:  I agree with you on future changes in Software and computers. My > question is how do you get the do you get the code for GIF and jpeg? There are books and books written about the various graphics formats. There is a ton of free software out there which has the source code for manipulating all the common formats, in basically every popular and less popular programming language in existence today. There is even stuff out there on how to read and write the proprietary pdf formats, along with postscript. There is so much already out there. The jpeg and gif algorithms are also out there on wikipedia. The algorithm is all you need to write the software in what ever language is available in 100 or 1000 years. That's what makes it so incredible when they talk about software incompatibility of digitized records in 100 years. Scan, save it in well known image format, instead of paying millions of dollars for some new proprietary software with a new graphics format, and no on will ever have to worry about the "software". The graphics formats are all plain algorithms and formats. All fully specified in numerous places today. You really have to work at it to make a digital storage system that won't work in 100 years. Yes, the hardware can be an issue, but unless we forget how to manufacture things there will always be a solution to retrieve digitally stored records. Sure, if Civilization collapses, it could all be lost. But in a post apocalyptic World, they may not be able to read books either. Provided any survived the apocalypse.

> "But when you give me a digital record to preserve, think about putting it > on the shelf and coming back in a hundred years. The hardware has changed > incredibly, the software to read it has changed. And so we have many > different formats of records that we are going to have to preserve for > hundreds of years, and that is a great, great challenge." THIS, is what happens when you don't have properly educated decision makers. Sure hardware changes, so that is an issue. Although the appropriate hardware to read whatever media you store it on could be mothballed and later retrieved to access and transfer, if that were a real concern. Or simply store the specifications on how to build the hardware. The software to read it issue is another thing entirely. It's been 20 to 30 years since GIF and jpeg formats came out. They are still in use today, and amazingly my images from the 80s are still readable on all kinds of hardware that didn't exist back then. Next up, if stored digitally, as you add new hardware you can upgrade quite easily with simple tools. Back to the software, it's just a set of instructions. Save the code for any software so it can be compiled on new hardware. You could even save it on paper. I have code from 1980, that still compiles on new hardware today. Go figure. I have code that was given to me that was written in the 50s(70+ years old). It still compiles today on hardware that wasn't even dreamed of back then. There is your almost 3/4 mark to 100 years. Sure it's primitive code by today's standards, and some of it must be run in an emulator (a virtual mainframe). I get it, that archivists aren't necessarily geeks, but that is no excuse for not asking experts before spouting off with unnecessary FUD. Lastly, only a fool in today's world would think it's ok to store something for a hundred years without checking to make sure it's still usable every few years at minimum. Furthermore, as technology progresses, you're going to have plenty of time to swap old storage media and software out for new stuff when it comes out. So worrying about a complete non-issue. Like what became of the carriage makers of the 1800s? Some switched over to making automobile bodies, and then into auto repair shops. Other's went out of business. You either adapt or stick you head in the ground. And yes, I'm going to say it. This is not rocket science. Not some magical, mysterious, black magic that can't be understood by "ordinary" people. [end rant]

(Harrisburg) -- Planning is underway to move the state's extensive archives - just days after the state announced its building a new facility in Harrisburg. The state says the $24 million facility will help meet the needs of a digital world. Speaking on WITF's Smart Talk, State Archivist David Carmichael says the process to preserve paper archives is pretty straightforward: control the environment where it's stored. "But when you give me a digital record to preserve, think about putting it on the shelf and coming back in a hundred years. The hardware has changed incredibly, the software to read it has changed. And so we have many different formats of records that we are going to have to preserve for hundreds of years, and that is a great, great challenge." Carmichael says he's also watching long-term costs on the new facility. "We've been hammering the fact that we need to think about long-term costs and make certain we are as cost effective as possible. I'm a taxpayer too, and so I'm always trying to save my own money," he says. It will have state-of-the-art heating and ventilation, but he says after working to put together a new archives building in his previous job in Georgia, he's learned to make sure maintenance costs will be manageable. The building on Harrisburg's 6th Street won't open for years - the earliest date predicted at this point is sometime in late-2019. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

It's back! " Genealogy Roadshow" (sponsored by Ancestry) It's on PBS, that's 13 in metro NYC Here's the schedule>>> May 17th 8pm...Albuquerque Old Airport Terminal May 24th 8pm...Miami History Museum May 31st 8pm...Huston Downtown Public Library June 14th 8pm...Boston Faneuil Hall June 21st 8pm...Providence Public Library June 28th 8pm...Los Angeles Union Station Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

Barb--A huge thank you for sharing your expertise and vast knowledge about researching in the NYC area.  I usually flag your emails for future reference, even though I may not necessarily need them when received.  Most of my distant and some not so distant ancestors lived in that area, and I have run into numerous brick walls.  Probably because I don't know where else to look.  My dream is to come to New York and do research for a month; even then, I probably wouldn't get enough done. I do come occasionally and do research in the New Paltz area and at Westchester Archives; I have family in Newburgh. I live in the DFW area, and we are taking care of a three year grandson, so travel is out for a while. When I get a few snatches of time, I plan on asking you if you know of any online resources for some of my hard to find ancestors.Appreciatively,Carol RitcheyResearching Van Horn, Auchmoody, Stuyvesant, Bourne, Yellott,  and Gould On Monday, May 16, 2016 11:26 AM, mizscarlettny via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> wrote: This is an oversimplified response, from my 35+ years of metro NYC experience. When requesting any record from anywhere, ask for a "photocopy of original document." # You do not want a transcript as the transcript is only as accurate as the transcriber, AND transcriptions can be a judgement call. What I mean is that the reader is viewing handwritten records, and may not see what you might see. When I research at the NYC Muni Archives or Westchester Archvves, we will offer to view each others films, for such clarification.  # A "raised seal" aka "official" copy is not necessary for genealogical purposes; it is for legal purposes. Last month I researched for an attorney who had to prove relationship in an inheritance case; official copies were needed. *Except* for New York City, Yonkers, Rochester and a couple other large cities, the New York State Archives is the repository for BMDs beginning in 1866. The problem is they have an 8 month waiting period, but their staff is excellent at locating records. In general, I recommend acquiring BMDs at the smallest level of government, which is usually the town, but sometimes the city [Yonkers comes to mind]. I've run into many difficulties with Town/City Clerks just this past year, and Yonkers is the worst to deal with. Yonkers staff does not understand how to search and sent me in circles every time. Twice with Ossining they did not have the DCs; in these cases I ordered them from Albany, then submitted copies to Ossining. Many staff insists that you have to provide relationship documentation, when the NYS law states it is not required for marriages and deaths more than 50 years old, and births more than 75 years old.  It seems that local governments caught onto the genealogy boom and now charge $22. per "certificate," [as posted on their homepages] but send you a transcript. When this happened with the Town of Hunter, NY, I mailed the crookedly printed piece of garbage back to the Town Supervisor in Hunter, with a letter stating that I my request was not met for a "certificate copy" for $22. As fast as you can say hot dog, I received a xerox of the original...with a nasty note from the Hunter NY Town Clerk informing me of how difficult it was to lift the ledger book and copy it. I hope this gives you actual insight into the process of obtaining NYS BMDs. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian J Densmore via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> To: nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 9, 2016 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Death Records > Actually BRIAN, I believe with marriages early on . . . . . .from Albany > what you will get is a copy of the ORIGINAL certificate as completed by > the > person/clergy who performed the ceremony not completed by the local > registrar. > > To the best of my knowledge the local record you will receive as a > "verified > transcript" locally is not the ORIGINAL RECORD. > > I have my grandparents marriage from 1895 in Fishkill, Dutchess County, > NY. > It is signed by the minister - this is the document that I believe would > be > given to the local registrar to record in their books and then the > original > was forwarded on to Albany. What I have from Albany is not what you will > get > today from the municipal clerk in Fishkill - you will get a "verified > transcript" from their record book. > > As far as I know it is the same for deaths - I've gotten them both ways in > the past. > > All for now - try it yourself and see. While you are certainly correct the originals are *supposed* to go to Albany. That wasn't what my comment was about. Which was partly tongue-in-cheek. But, the only death certificates I've requested from Westchester was my great-grandmother's. What I got was a non-certified photocopy of the original with my grandfather's signature on it (although it's possibly a photocopy of a photocopy, as it's just inside that technology window). Most of my Westchester needs fall outside the years of required collection. Everything, I've ever requested from Westchester has been a full copy, and not some transcription. Perhaps you have to be specific as to what you ask for. The marriage licenses I have collected all appear to be copies of originals, with signatures, and not carbon copies either. Although, I would have no issue with carbon copies. Marriages are an entirely different subject. Although, I'd still expect a lot of the local records keepers to keep the originals and make up a copy to send to Albany, even though the law was to send the original. NY bureaucrats tended that way, and some still do. Very possessive of anything they collect. ;) As a note, I'd generally request from both places, especially if I had any doubts. Also, the originals may have been written up wrong, and been corrected at the local level and never reported to the state, and vice versa. When such things happen, having both copies can be useful in other research. As for early on deaths, I wouldn't know, because they didn't record them early on, or I'd have had my gr-gr-grandmother's death record a long time ago (1870s). Lastly, the only time, I've ever gotten a transcript of a record was from Massachusetts, and I wound up ordering the original anyway (different prices) because one of the names was screwed up. But it was screwed up on the original as well. I've never bother to have it corrected. Which I could because I have a certified true copy of her birth certificate from the Mairie in France with the seal imprint and everything. *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester  County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years.  Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is an oversimplified response, from my 35+ years of metro NYC experience. When requesting any record from anywhere, ask for a "photocopy of original document." # You do not want a transcript as the transcript is only as accurate as the transcriber, AND transcriptions can be a judgement call. What I mean is that the reader is viewing handwritten records, and may not see what you might see. When I research at the NYC Muni Archives or Westchester Archvves, we will offer to view each others films, for such clarification. # A "raised seal" aka "official" copy is not necessary for genealogical purposes; it is for legal purposes. Last month I researched for an attorney who had to prove relationship in an inheritance case; official copies were needed. *Except* for New York City, Yonkers, Rochester and a couple other large cities, the New York State Archives is the repository for BMDs beginning in 1866. The problem is they have an 8 month waiting period, but their staff is excellent at locating records. In general, I recommend acquiring BMDs at the smallest level of government, which is usually the town, but sometimes the city [Yonkers comes to mind]. I've run into many difficulties with Town/City Clerks just this past year, and Yonkers is the worst to deal with. Yonkers staff does not understand how to search and sent me in circles every time. Twice with Ossining they did not have the DCs; in these cases I ordered them from Albany, then submitted copies to Ossining. Many staff insists that you have to provide relationship documentation, when the NYS law states it is not required for marriages and deaths more than 50 years old, and births more than 75 years old. It seems that local governments caught onto the genealogy boom and now charge $22. per "certificate," [as posted on their homepages] but send you a transcript. When this happened with the Town of Hunter, NY, I mailed the crookedly printed piece of garbage back to the Town Supervisor in Hunter, with a letter stating that I my request was not met for a "certificate copy" for $22. As fast as you can say hot dog, I received a xerox of the original...with a nasty note from the Hunter NY Town Clerk informing me of how difficult it was to lift the ledger book and copy it. I hope this gives you actual insight into the process of obtaining NYS BMDs. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian J Densmore via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> To: nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 9, 2016 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Death Records > Actually BRIAN, I believe with marriages early on . . . . . .from Albany > what you will get is a copy of the ORIGINAL certificate as completed by > the > person/clergy who performed the ceremony not completed by the local > registrar. > > To the best of my knowledge the local record you will receive as a > "verified > transcript" locally is not the ORIGINAL RECORD. > > I have my grandparents marriage from 1895 in Fishkill, Dutchess County, > NY. > It is signed by the minister - this is the document that I believe would > be > given to the local registrar to record in their books and then the > original > was forwarded on to Albany. What I have from Albany is not what you will > get > today from the municipal clerk in Fishkill - you will get a "verified > transcript" from their record book. > > As far as I know it is the same for deaths - I've gotten them both ways in > the past. > > All for now - try it yourself and see. While you are certainly correct the originals are *supposed* to go to Albany. That wasn't what my comment was about. Which was partly tongue-in-cheek. But, the only death certificates I've requested from Westchester was my great-grandmother's. What I got was a non-certified photocopy of the original with my grandfather's signature on it (although it's possibly a photocopy of a photocopy, as it's just inside that technology window). Most of my Westchester needs fall outside the years of required collection. Everything, I've ever requested from Westchester has been a full copy, and not some transcription. Perhaps you have to be specific as to what you ask for. The marriage licenses I have collected all appear to be copies of originals, with signatures, and not carbon copies either. Although, I would have no issue with carbon copies. Marriages are an entirely different subject. Although, I'd still expect a lot of the local records keepers to keep the originals and make up a copy to send to Albany, even though the law was to send the original. NY bureaucrats tended that way, and some still do. Very possessive of anything they collect. ;) As a note, I'd generally request from both places, especially if I had any doubts. Also, the originals may have been written up wrong, and been corrected at the local level and never reported to the state, and vice versa. When such things happen, having both copies can be useful in other research. As for early on deaths, I wouldn't know, because they didn't record them early on, or I'd have had my gr-gr-grandmother's death record a long time ago (1870s). Lastly, the only time, I've ever gotten a transcript of a record was from Massachusetts, and I wound up ordering the original anyway (different prices) because one of the names was screwed up. But it was screwed up on the original as well. I've never bother to have it corrected. Which I could because I have a certified true copy of her birth certificate from the Mairie in France with the seal imprint and everything.

Hi Janet, and all, These two lists are invaluable for researching NYC Municipal Archives records. I recommend printing each one for easy reference. #1) NYC Municipal Archives "Holdings" http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/holdings.shtml #2) NYC Municipal Archives "Collections" [Click on titles] http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/collections.shtml Death *certificate* format began for New York and Kings Counties about 1866. Prior to 1866, births, marriages and deaths (BMD) are recorded as one meaty line of handwritten text, in ledgers, that are searchable on microfilm. Please note: Some early films are missing, too damaged to view, or have illegible handwriting. Searching early films is more time consuming than searching for certificates, even if one has to view index films as well as certificate films. Please remember: 1898 was the year that New York City consolidated the counties of New York, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and the Bronx. BMDs for *early* (pre-1898) Queens and (pre-1866) Kings Counties may be filed my neighborhoods, as was Whitestone, Queens and Flatbush, Brooklyn. Questions? Please contact me offlist. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: janjans via < To: NYBROOKLYN <NYBROOKLYN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 4:14 pm Subject: [BKLYN] Death Record Help I have a death obit in the New York Tribune Oct 1862 and sent for the record at the Municipal Archives and got a not found letter. I gave the name, date of death. parents names and place of death. Since they did not find the record where might find it. I do not know the cemetery or church. I think the family was Catholic and may have attended Holy Cross Church but they have no record of the burial. I am really stumped on this. The name was Ann Elizabeth Connor, died Oct 5, 1862 in Flatbush, parents James and Elizabeth Connor, age 4. Janet KINGS DEATH, 5 Oct 1862, Ann Elizabeth O'CONNOR