I grew up on a farm, and our cows weren't that dumb either. They knew where they were supposed to go and went there. At least in my rural neighborhood drivers knew they had to stop for cows crossing the road. Sounds to me like someonew had more money than they knew what to do with. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:39:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! Thanks, Jean Ann. It had occurred to me that perhaps the tunnels were used for cattle moving from pasture to pasture...... except my thought was that a busily trafficked road might have been the reason. I grew up on a dairy farm and when farmland was taken for state and county roads it often dissected the pastures used for cattle to eat. "Cattle Crossing" signs usually sufficed for county roads back then but many people traveling thru on state roads to and from NYC hadn't a clue as to what the signs meant......and when they were told were absolutely amazed that CATTLE had the right-of-way.LOL. Our cows moved just fine on grass and didn't stop when they weren't supposed to. Either that guy had really stupid cows or he was a "gentleman farmer" who knew nothing about them. LOL. I've often found that the "dumb" animals are not as dumb as the people labeling them. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > Hi all, > > This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke > with > Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he > knows all about the tunnels and what they are. > > > > The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a > huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about > 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store > cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for > cattle > to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over > grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom on > the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to > different pastures! > > Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of > the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also > has > pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in > the > area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! > > > > Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the newspaper > in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be > saved! > > Jean Ann > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Interesting information on the history of the tunnels. I still say they should be preserved and saved and that is the next step in this process. As to the article, I would suspect when it is published it will be available on the newspaper's website www.lohud.com , just click on the Westchester Section. Jan Miller wrote: > This topic has been a really interesting dialogue--suggestions and > sleuthing! > Thank you for 'going to the mat' to find and share the true story of the > tunnels in Ossining. I would never have had that one on my 'guess list'--not > having lived on/near a dairy farm as prime reason. > > The variety of suggestions was interesting as well. Did anyone guess > correctly? It's a part of the area history and we subscribers have > learned something new about a place we thought we knew well. > > As far as the bricks are concerned, my ggrandfather worked at a brick > factory in Peekskill and has a patent for improving the "Method of Operating > the mold-drivers of Brick Machines, the same being so constructed that the > mold is driven out at the proper time by the power used to operate the > machine and further so constructed that should any obstruction enter the > clod-cutter to prevent the passage of the mold, the mechanism will yield > before an injurious pressure can be exerted on the mold, thereby saving a > great expense in the repairs of molds". It is logical that much of the > interior was constructed of brick, there being much of that industry in the > area. > > When the article that you referred to appears in the paper, will you or > someone be able to scan and send? > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> > To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:33 AM > Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > > >> Hi all, >> >> This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke >> with >> Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he >> knows all about the tunnels and what they are. >> >> >> >> The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a >> huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about >> 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store >> cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for >> cattle >> to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over >> grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom on >> the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to >> different pastures! >> >> Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of >> the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also >> has >> pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in >> the >> area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! >> >> >> >> Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the newspaper >> in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be >> saved! >> >> Jean Ann >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Maureen: I got your mail today. You sent me 6 pages of Sherwood's. I got my package from Westchester Historical Society today also. In it was the SHERWOOD's and it was 12 pages. I see you made a lot of notes on yours so will start with yours and then go to the other 6 pages. Do you want a copy of that? I also got the FOSHAY's. It will take me awhile to get through it as we are babysitting our Greatgrand son he is 16 months old. You can't get much done with him hanging on you all the time. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Bill, He sure did have a wife and children.....he married Sarah Drake d o Samuel Drake and Mary Fowler. Job and Sarah are my 5th g-grandparents same as Solomon and Elizabeth. When Carol sends the Fowler pp from MacKenzie you'll see Mary and Sam on there. They are my 6th g-grandparents. Job had several children one of which was Ann Sherwood my 4th g-grandmother. She married Moses Ward. I would have to look up the dates and also look up Moses Sherwood. I don't know as much about him off the top of my head. I'll try to get the Sherwood pp copied when I go out tomorrow. As I had mentioned, my scanner and copier don't work. Carol told me about one she bought that works great with a laptop like I have now. I'm going to look into it. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD > Maureen: > > What can you tell me about Job? All I have is his name with his > brother Solomon and his father Moses. Did he have a wife and children? > Also who was Moses wife and any dates you may have? > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > > quillpen1 wrote: Thanks for looking , Barbara. > > I also have Job Sherwood, another 5th great grandfather who is Solomon's > brother. Their father is Moses Sherwood, my double 6th g-grandfather. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD > > >> Bill, I didn't get your attachment. Maureen, I do n't see a Solomon so >> far, but as I keep saying my Sherwoods are a mess. >> >> Barbara >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: quillpen1 >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:10:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD >> >> Barbara, >> >> If you are related to Solomon Sherwood then you are related to me. Please >> let me know. He is my 5th grear grandfather, married Elizabeth Foseur >> (Forshay). >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Forshay" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD >> >> >>> Barbara: >>> >>> I will attach a family group sheet on Solomon SHERWOOD and his >>> family. Let me know if this is a help or make any corrections that you >>> may >>> have. >>> >>> Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Barbara de Mare wrote: Bill, >>> >>> My Sherwoods are from your era or earlier, and from the >>> Connecticut--New >>> York area around Greenwich. There is just no certainty as to the >>> information I haver on any of them. Some of it makes no sense to me >>> from >>> a time-line point of view. 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Hi all, This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke with Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he knows all about the tunnels and what they are. The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for cattle to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom on the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to different pastures! Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also has pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in the area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the newspaper in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be saved! Jean Ann

This topic has been a really interesting dialogue--suggestions and sleuthing! Thank you for 'going to the mat' to find and share the true story of the tunnels in Ossining. I would never have had that one on my 'guess list'--not having lived on/near a dairy farm as prime reason. The variety of suggestions was interesting as well. Did anyone guess correctly? It's a part of the area history and we subscribers have learned something new about a place we thought we knew well. As far as the bricks are concerned, my ggrandfather worked at a brick factory in Peekskill and has a patent for improving the "Method of Operating the mold-drivers of Brick Machines, the same being so constructed that the mold is driven out at the proper time by the power used to operate the machine and further so constructed that should any obstruction enter the clod-cutter to prevent the passage of the mold, the mechanism will yield before an injurious pressure can be exerted on the mold, thereby saving a great expense in the repairs of molds". It is logical that much of the interior was constructed of brick, there being much of that industry in the area. When the article that you referred to appears in the paper, will you or someone be able to scan and send? Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > Hi all, > > This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke > with > Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he > knows all about the tunnels and what they are. > > > > The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a > huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about > 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store > cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for > cattle > to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over > grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom on > the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to > different pastures! > > Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of > the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also > has > pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in > the > area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! > > > > Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the newspaper > in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be > saved! > > Jean Ann > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Some more comments from my neice who lives in Ossining and was there the first time they went into the tunnels _____ From: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:45 PM To: Subject: Re: FW: [NYWESTCH] update on Ossining's old structure I'm sure Gay Marglin contacted NYS, she, at one point sent me some stuff from a Douglas Mackey from NYS Historical Preservation. It's amazing that THEY never contacted the county. Does anyone know who Lucy Johnson or Susan Dublin is? They are the people that came to look at the tunnel. Susan Dublin was there the day I went in, I wasn't there when Lucy Johnson went in. I wonder if they are NY State people. The thing that worries me about this NYS Department of Parks, Recreation, and Historical Preservation is that according to someone that wrote a "comment" on the original photo site: <http://www.smugmug.com/img/spacer.gif> <http://www.smugmug.com/img/spacer.gif> <http://www.smugmug.com/img/spacer.gif> <http://www.smugmug.com/img/spacer.gif> <http://www.smugmug.com/img/spacer.gif> 5. George Potanovic, <mailto:georgep123@optonline.net> Jr. wrote about this gallery on Jul 5th Whoever from Ossining was responsible for doing the State Environmental Quality Review (SEQR) as lead agency (probably the Town Planning Board), obviously missed this. The SEQR report requires an investigation of any archeological or historcal assets on the property and usually a professional firm is hired to assess the property. The NYS Office of Historical Preservation, Parks and Recreation usually gets involved too. Project should have never been approved for construction without a thorough SEQRA review. Wow.. I would be interested in knowing more about the history of this underground structure. I am a previous resident of Ossining (OHS Class of 1973) and owe my interest in local history to my 8th grade social studies teacher, Carl Oechsner. I now live in Stony Point, NY (Rockland) where I am professional photographer and president of the Stony Point Action Committee for the Environment (SPACE), a citizen watchdog group of volunteers which keeps an eye on local environmental issues. George Potanovic, Jr. President, SPACE Stony Point Action Committee for the Environment georgep123@optonline.net http://www.stonypointer.org <http://www.stonypointer.org/> One of the things that bothers a lot of people here in Ossining is that apparently these tunnels were "playgrounds" for kids before the condos were built, and apparently common knowledge to quite a few "native" Ossining residents. The common assumption is that $$$ exchanged hands from the builder to whomever in order to be able to build riverfront luxury condos there. It's quite a place, sits right on the convergence of the Hudson and Croton Rivers, the condos with the "views" start at $750,000 and up. There are approximately 200 units there, so .......... The other thing, is after reading the St Augustine's history, and being inside the tunnel, it doesn't make sense. Orlando Potter used stone that he had on his property, granite, mostly. There are granite walls all over the place. But the tunnel and chambers are brick. There are some granite lintels according to Gay, but I didn't see them. I also think that if, in fact tunnels were built during Revolutionary war times, they wouldn't have been quite so elaborate, but certainly could have been what caused Orlando Potter to continue "tunnelling", but (once again) I just can't see makiing these things so elaborate to store silage. So anyway, I'm very glad that someone contacted the county, maybe they'll show some interest..... Thanks for sending these Love, ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. <http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromo&El=&SG=&RAND=54758&pa rtner=hbtools> Upgrade Your Email - Click here!

Good. Judy -----Original Message----- From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WOLF6PACK@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:28 PM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] update on Ossining's old structure In a message dated 7/10/2007 5:17:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gizzi1213@optonline.net writes: That really raises the question as to whether or not this find has been reported to SHPO (State Historical Preservation Office) if the local historical society hasn't heard of it I am going to put a call into them Wednesday morning, I hope I will get a h uman and not an answering machine. I just found phone numbers for the Archeology Unit, Technical Assistance and National Register & Survey Unit. Let us hope they already know about this. Judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't live anywhere near this discovery - but am absolutely fascinated by this discussion line. Please keep it up and let us know what happens. Joan Huot Lowell, Mass. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] update on Ossining's old structure > > In a message dated 7/10/2007 5:17:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gizzi1213@optonline.net writes: > > That really raises the question as to whether or not this find has been > reported to SHPO (State Historical Preservation Office) if the local > historical > society hasn't heard of it > > > I am going to put a call into them Wednesday morning, I hope I will get > a h > uman and not an answering machine. I just found phone numbers for the > Archeology Unit, Technical Assistance and National Register & Survey > Unit. Let us > hope they already know about this. > > Judy > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a contact I'm going to reach out to as well. I have a professional acquaintance, an archaeologist who works in NY frequently and is on a first name basis with all the "right" people at SHPO. I haven't wanted to impose on her, but finding out that WCHS wasn't even aware of this discovery makes me very apprehensive as to who has and has not been informed. WOLF6PACK@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/10/2007 5:17:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gizzi1213@optonline.net writes: > > That really raises the question as to whether or not this find has been > reported to SHPO (State Historical Preservation Office) if the local historical > society hasn't heard of it > > > I am going to put a call into them Wednesday morning, I hope I will get a h > uman and not an answering machine. I just found phone numbers for the > Archeology Unit, Technical Assistance and National Register & Survey Unit. Let us > hope they already know about this. > > Judy > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

In a message dated 7/10/2007 5:17:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gizzi1213@optonline.net writes: That really raises the question as to whether or not this find has been reported to SHPO (State Historical Preservation Office) if the local historical society hasn't heard of it I am going to put a call into them Wednesday morning, I hope I will get a h uman and not an answering machine. I just found phone numbers for the Archeology Unit, Technical Assistance and National Register & Survey Unit. Let us hope they already know about this. Judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

That really raises the question as to whether or not this find has been reported to SHPO (State Historical Preservation Office) if the local historical society hasn't heard of it. I'm really shocked by that as it WAS in the local paper, you'd think SOMEONE at WCHS would at least read the paper!! ----- Original Message ----- From: WOLF6PACK@aol.com Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:36 pm Subject: [NYWESTCH] update on Ossining's old structure To: NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com > I just heard from WCHS and no one had told them about it, which > I find > amazing! I have sent them what I have been given so far. > > Judy Wolf > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com.*************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nobody told them??? That is TERRIBLE!!!! Good thing you did, Judy. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> To: <NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] update on Ossining's old structure >I just heard from WCHS and no one had told them about it, which I find > amazing! I have sent them what I have been given so far. > > Judy Wolf > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just heard from WCHS and no one had told them about it, which I find amazing! I have sent them what I have been given so far. Judy Wolf ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Judy, this so interesting, Thanks for sharing with us "X" New Yorkers who live so far away. Thanks, Carol L. Heap

Here is what Gay Marglin emailed me so far, she also sent another photo to me showing a rather large vent hole, that looks big enough for a chimney. I can send it to anyone who is interested privately. Judy Wolf Thanks so much for your interest. We have had several well know archeologists come to the site, Lucy Johnson and Susan Dublin among others and so far the only real censuses of opinion seems to be that the structure was most likely built between 1820 and 1840. Every one has agreed that it is pre-civil war, not part of the Aqueduct, not part of the Underground Railroad and probably some type of storage.. The first time however which a structure appears on any map which might be our place is much later in the 1900’s, when an ice house appears. Over the years the property has been owned by many prominent people from Potter to Patterson and it was a “gentleman’s farm” and later more of a more working farm. We do have a fair amount of history but nothing to definitely identify the structure at this time. This was sent as an attachment: The following are excerpts from the church’s (which used to own this property and still owns the adjoining property) web site Eagle Park Very little is known about the land on which St. Augustine Church now stands. Indians probably lived there and hunted deer and bear in the surrounding wilderness. The Hudson and Croton Rivers provide fish and transportation. General George Washington and his troops are believed to have camped there; Washington's headquarters were located on the former site of Julien's Restaurant, now vacant land between the present Route 9 and Old Albany Post Road. A series of subterranean passages were constructed. Local historians think some of these were built as potential escape routes for Washington's troops. One of the more interesting features of the farm was a series of stone and brick walls, causeways and underground passageways. Granite from the farm's own quarry was used in their construction. Underground arched vaults, similar to the wine cellars, were used as silage pits for storing fodder for the herd of cows. The cows are led to pasture along these stone passageways and under bridges. Other parts of the subterranean passages were apparently used as root cellars for keeping vegetables grown at Eagle Park. At one time these passageways were also thought to have been part of the escape route used by slaves during the Civil War. Local historians doubt, however, that Eagle Park was part of the "underground railroad," since none of the passages had openings close to or on the river. for the complete text go to: _http://www.eaglepark.org/History/History_P4.htm_ (http://www.eaglepark.org/History/History_P4.htm) The following is from Douglas Mackey New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation Once again I would like to thank you for sending along the photos of the structure that has recently come to light in the Mystic Point area (_http://ysqrd.smugmug.com/_ (http://ysqrd.smugmug.com/) ). After our discussions, I tried to find a historic map that may identify the structure. I have examined both the Beers 1867 Atlas of Ossining (#1 Below - _http://www.westchesterarchives.com/CW/images/WCHS/Atlas_1867/NY_and_Vicinity_p17_resize.jpg_ (http://www.westchesterarchives.com/CW/images/WCHS/Atlas_1867/NY_and_Vicinity_p17_resize.jpg) ) and the 1891 Beers/Watson Atlas of the Hudson River Valley from New York City to Troy, including a section of about 8 miles in width ( #2 below - _http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps1120851-28447.html_ (http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps1120851-28447.html) ). From our conversations my best guess is that the are is near the structure identified as a "School" on both maps. The 1900 Hyde Atlas and the 1908 Hyde/Belcher Atlas also show a school in this area (#3-_http://www.davidrumsey.com/rumsey/Size4/D0114/4204007.jpg_ (http://www.davidrumsey.com/rumsey/Size4/D0114/4204007.jpg) ; #4-_http://www.davidrumsey.com/rumsey/Size4/D0114/4205014.jpg_ (http://www.davidrumsey.com/rumsey/Size4/D0114/4205014.jpg) ). It is possible that the structure dates after 1908 in which case it would not show on these maps. The 1914 Bromely Atlas shows a complex of buildings in what I suspect is the area, including a school, library, ice house and "Grace Hall" (#5 - _http://www.davidrumsey.com/rumsey/Size4/D0114/4255095.jpg_ (http://www.davidrumsey.com/rumsey/Size4/D0114/4255095.jpg) ). The 1943 USGS topo map for this area shows a large structure in approximately the same area, but does not identify it (#6 - _http://docs.unh.edu/NY/ossn43nw.jpg_ (http://docs.unh.edu/NY/ossn43nw.jpg) ). A "Grace Hall" is identified on this map as well, but on the opposite side of the main road. If I am correct about the location, it appears that the structure found could be part of this "school" complex, however the photos do not depict anything that looks like a school to me. The again, I could be wrong about the location, but the maps do not seem to indicate any other substantial structures in this area through 1943 aside from residences. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

A friend posted this on another list. I did a search for Peekskill and came up with 266 hits ! Judy Wolf Chronicling America - The Library of Congress - U. S. National Endowment for the Humanities http://www.loc.gov/chroniclingamerica/home.html Chronicling America, is enhancing access to America's historic newspapers. This site allows you to search and read newspaper pages from 1900-1910 and find information about American newspapers published between 1690-present. Chronicling America is sponsored jointly by the National Endowment for the Humanities and the Library of Congress as part of the National Digital Newspaper Program (NDNP). Currently released are newspapers from California, Florida, Kentucky, New York and Utah. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I just emailed the WCHS and Gay Marlin with some questions. I will pass on whatever I learn. Judy Wolf ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Dick, He would have to be headless and the horse too by the looks of tunnels. LOL. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Hillenbrand" <nygenes@gmail.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Road repair unearths massive old structure inOssining > If you should see a headless Hessian soldier riding through the tunnel on > horseback, just let him pass by. He's harmless. > > > On 7/8/07, quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> I've seen films where water is rushing thru tunnels too....and with >> little >> holes for trickles as well. >> >> How high are these tunnels in Ossining?? The water tunnels I've seen were >> low...like 3-4 ft high tops.....and the ones in the films were always >> solid >> concrete. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Regina Haring" <rmharing@att.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Road repair unearths massive old structure >> inOssining >> >> >> > The pictures made me think of water tunnels - though my only knowledge >> of >> > them is from films! >> > Regina Haring >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> >> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:37 PM >> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Road repair unearths massive old structure >> > inOssining >> > >> > >> >> >> >> In a message dated 7/8/2007 12:28:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> >> RickVT@aol.com writes: >> >> >> >> Could this have been part of the old Croton Aqueduct? >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyone from Ossining know if this is any where near the Aqueduct? >> >> >> >> In T/ Cortlandt near where I had lived there is building next to >> a spot >> >> on >> >> the Aqueduct which I assume is for maintenance. I never thought about >> >> tunnels >> >> along it. In that area it is like a long man made steep sided hill >> >> (above >> >> ground level), with a flat area on top that is wide enough to be >> >> driven >> >> on. >> >> >> >> Judy >> > >> > *************************************** >> > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> > *************************************** >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Dick Hillenbrand - (Please visit any of my websites below...) > Upstate New York Genealogy > website: http://www.unyg.com > blog (NYS) http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ > blog (not NYS) http://genemisc.blogspot.com/ > member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG) > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message