Benita, You can go to the Westchester County Archives in Elmsford. They are open on Tuesdays and Wednesdays for research. They have many maps you can look at and they can show you how to search back through the deeds (which is what is done in a title search- which I believe only goes back 75 or 100 years) to see the names of owners. The Westchester County Historical Society is there and I think this is where you should start your search. They are very knowledgeable and can help guide you. Have you checked to see if the New Rochelle Library has a local history collection? It might contain old photographs. You might also want to check with the Library in White Plains, being the county seat, they may have information that would be helpful. Property tax rolls might also be helpful, they probably would be found in New Rochelle's Town Hall or they would know where to find them. The Town's Zoning/Building/Planning Dept. should also have access to old maps. They might have photos too ! Up here in Dutchess County, I went to my Town Hall in LaGrange and found a notation in property tax rolls about the 1855 farm house next to my property and it said that Mr. East's son was building the house for his bride. Maybe I was just lucky in that search..... Have you talked to any nearby elderly neighbors to see if they might know something about the house? Have you checked withe local newspaper to see if they have a collection of old photos? Have you contacted the Town Historian? Good luck! Judy Wolf ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Interesting relatives we dig up! Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras When one door closes another door opens Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Motley" <suzi.motley@countrycluboflandfall.com> To: <NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] ADOLPHUS NEY WW1 GERMAN AGENT > Hi Everyone, > > Just dug up some family skeletons on my grannies 4th hubby ADOLPHUS HENRY > NEY. I went on a new site Footnote.com that is copying records from the > Nat'l Archives. I input Adolphus' name & printed out 80+ pages from The > Federal Bureau of Investigation on gold ole Adolphus. Fantastic info on > him > from this report. He was a famous chemist & that I knew but did not know > he > was a German Alien Enemy No. 4095 during WW1. He came to the US first in > 1903 & lived in Buffalo, then went to England & returned in 1910. I found > on > Ancestry a city directory for Scarsdale for 1918-1919 for him on POST > ROAD. > He was arrested & sent to Ft. Oglethorpe prison in GA 3/14/1919, and > paroled > in Dec 1919. He was then in jail 5/15/1920 in Scranton, PA for > embezzlement > & issuing threats that he was going to blow-up the Sepoy Color Co. plant > where he worked. > > Does anyone have any info on this person??? He did not marry my grannie > until 1928 or so. > > Thanks, > > Suzi Motley > Wilmington, NC > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2494 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Everyone, Just dug up some family skeletons on my grannies 4th hubby ADOLPHUS HENRY NEY. I went on a new site Footnote.com that is copying records from the Nat'l Archives. I input Adolphus' name & printed out 80+ pages from The Federal Bureau of Investigation on gold ole Adolphus. Fantastic info on him from this report. He was a famous chemist & that I knew but did not know he was a German Alien Enemy No. 4095 during WW1. He came to the US first in 1903 & lived in Buffalo, then went to England & returned in 1910. I found on Ancestry a city directory for Scarsdale for 1918-1919 for him on POST ROAD. He was arrested & sent to Ft. Oglethorpe prison in GA 3/14/1919, and paroled in Dec 1919. He was then in jail 5/15/1920 in Scranton, PA for embezzlement & issuing threats that he was going to blow-up the Sepoy Color Co. plant where he worked. Does anyone have any info on this person??? He did not marry my grannie until 1928 or so. Thanks, Suzi Motley Wilmington, NC

Hi all, I live in New Rochelle and found this list by way of searching for information about my house. I am impressed with the resourcefullness of the folks on this list, and your attention to detail. I am also surprised by the dead ends these historical searches can lead one to - for instance, the NEw Rochelle Historical Society listed on the NYGenWeb - the phone is disconnected and web search doesn't find any other contact info for them. So, I am asking for some suggestions regarding the original construction of my house - where besides the building dept and the title search might I look for info? Photographs? The names of the original owners? The house was built in 1895 and there was an addition ,made in 1930. The title doesn't have any details - but bascially the back of the house was added on then. I would like to know how it looked before that change. Thanks Benita ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/

Wow, impressive stuff folks. Good researching! This list rocks. Charles

A link to the article can be found here: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/nyregion/14mystery.html?ex=1342152000&en=90ec799c31538194&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink">Race to Solve the Mystery Tunnels</a>

Opps...typo...that should read "he left no WILL" He was also the president of the "state agricultural society" per the obituary available through the Brooklyn Eagle online site. Does such an organization still exists? If so, perhaps their weight added to the preservation cause might be useful. Deborah Gizzi wrote: > I haven't had a chance to read it in full yet, but there is also an > interesting article here: > http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/potterbldg.pdf about > an office building he had built in 1883-1886 in NYC which NYC has > designated as a landmark building. The entire article looks to be > interesting reading. The landmark designation is on page 14, his bio > included in the article indicates that he left no well, per a NYTimes > article dated January 10, 1894. > > Granted underground cattle tunnels are not as impressive as an early > "skyscaper" office building, however, it does show the man is a person > of significant historical importance. > > WOLF6PACK@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Is this correct or the 2nd bio????? >> http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/potter.html#R9M0J9UKA >> Potter, Orlando Brunson (1823-1894) — of New York. ... Son of Lucien B. >> Potter and Clarinda L. Potter; married to Margaret D. Richardson. Republican. >> Source Information: >> Ancestry.com. America's Successful Men [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: >> The Generations Network, Inc., 1997. Original data: Hall, Henry, ed.. >> America's Successful Men of Affairs: An Encyclopedia of Contemporaneous Biography. >> New York, USA: The New York Tribune, 1895-1896. >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't had a chance to read it in full yet, but there is also an interesting article here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/potterbldg.pdf about an office building he had built in 1883-1886 in NYC which NYC has designated as a landmark building. The entire article looks to be interesting reading. The landmark designation is on page 14, his bio included in the article indicates that he left no well, per a NYTimes article dated January 10, 1894. Granted underground cattle tunnels are not as impressive as an early "skyscaper" office building, however, it does show the man is a person of significant historical importance. WOLF6PACK@aol.com wrote: > > Is this correct or the 2nd bio????? > http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/potter.html#R9M0J9UKA > Potter, Orlando Brunson (1823-1894) — of New York. ... Son of Lucien B. > Potter and Clarinda L. Potter; married to Margaret D. Richardson. Republican. > Source Information: > Ancestry.com. America's Successful Men [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: > The Generations Network, Inc., 1997. Original data: Hall, Henry, ed.. > America's Successful Men of Affairs: An Encyclopedia of Contemporaneous Biography. > New York, USA: The New York Tribune, 1895-1896. > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this correct or the 2nd bio????? http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/potter.html#R9M0J9UKA Potter, Orlando Brunson (1823-1894) — of New York. ... Son of Lucien B. Potter and Clarinda L. Potter; married to Margaret D. Richardson. Republican. Source Information: Ancestry.com. America's Successful Men [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1997. Original data: Hall, Henry, ed.. America's Successful Men of Affairs: An Encyclopedia of Contemporaneous Biography. New York, USA: The New York Tribune, 1895-1896. ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Orlando B. Potter >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Orlando Brunson Potter (_March 10_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_10) , _1823_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1823) - _January 2_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2) , _1894_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1894) ) was a _U.S. Representative_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives) from _New York_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York) . Born in _Charlemont, Massachusetts_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemont,_Massachusetts) , Potter attended the district school, Williams College, _Williamstown, Massachusetts_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamstown,_Massachusetts) , and the Dane Law School, _Cambridge, Massachusetts_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge,_Massachusetts) . He studied law. He was admitted to the bar in 1848 and commenced practice in _Boston, Massachusetts_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston,_Massachusetts) . He engaged in manufacturing. He moved to New York in 1853 and engaged in agricultural pursuits. He was an unsuccessful for election in 1878 to the Forty-sixth Congress. Potter was elected as a _Democrat_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) to the Forty-eighth Congress (_March 4_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_4) , _1883_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883) -_March 3_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_3) , _1885_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1885) ). He declined to be a candidate for renomination in 1884. He served as member of the Rapid Transit Commission of New York City 1890-1894. He died in New York City, _January 2_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2) , _1894_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1894) . He was interred in Greenwood Cemetery. Source * _Biography_ (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=P000466) at the _Biographical Directory of the United States Congress_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biographical_Directory_of_the_United_States_Congress) ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` 23 pages about Potter: _http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/potterbldg.pdf_ (http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/potterbldg.pdf) .” At the time of his sudden death in January 1894, Potter was thought to have been the wealthiest man in New York City to have died intestate.” Can you imagine the Probate file ! No way will I look for, read it or transcribe it! ``````````````````````````````````````````` _http://www.female-ancestors.com/newyork/clubwomen062.htm_ (http://www.female-ancestors.com/newyork/clubwomen062.htm) Club Women of New York 1906 - 1907 POTTER, MRS. ORLANDO B., The Salamanca, 155 W. 58th st., N. Y.—New England Women, N. Y. ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` _http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasulliv/settlers/settlers16/settlers16.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasulliv/settlers/settlers16/settlers16.html) “6] There are also biographical articles. One tells of a cousin of George Whitefield Potter, Orlando B. Potter, who was a congressman in NYC. and wrote to Presedent Lincoln and Secretary of the Treasury S.P. Chase about the need for a National Banking system. Lincoln and Chase liked it, so Orlando Potter wrote the legislation for the first National Banking Act. He also built the tallest building in NYC at that time. 8 or 9 stories tall. He then purchased property in NYC. where Alexander Hamilton had planted 13 gum trees for the 13 states, and shoots from Mount Vernon in order to protect them.” `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ``````````````` http://home.nyc.rr.com/jkn/nysonglines/broad.htm _Potter Building_ (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SCC/SCC011.htm) 139-145 (corner): A gorgeous red brick building built 1883-86 with fantastic _terra cotta detail_ (http://www.nycjpg.com/2003/pages/0703.html) . Built by Orlando B. Potter to replace an earlier building he owned that burned down in 1881 (an event featured in the novel Time After Time), he used terra cotta in part for its fireproof qualities. Potter's earlier building, completed in 1857, was known as the World Building, after the New York World which was based there. (This was before Joseph Pulitzer bought the paper.) It also housed the offices of Scientific American, where on December 7, 1877, Thomas Edison gave the first public demonstration of his phonograph. _N.G. Starkweather_ (http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/potterbldg.pdf) extensively used terra cotta detail, helping to popularize the material for office buildings; Potter later launched the New York Press. 139 (corner): Also part of the Potter Building, this was the address of Newspaper Row's Knickerbocker. Now Young's Hat Store (formerly Young's Stetson Hats). ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Greenwood Cemetery Brooklyn: ORLANDO B. POTTER Date of Interment Lot Section 1/5/1894 13060 113 MARY K. L. POTTER Date of Interment Lot Section 9/19/1925 13060 113 ANNIE POTTER Date of Interment Lot Section 8/17/1866 13060 113 BLANCHE POTTER Date of Interment Lot Section 10/7/1942 13060 113 EMMA POTTER Date of Interment Lot Section 2/20/1867 13060 113 M CHD OF O. B. POTTER Date of Interment Lot Section 8/17/1866 13060 113 MARTHA G. POTTER Date of Interment Lot Section 5/9/1879 13060 113 1900 Ossining, ED 102 sheet 20B 356/385 Potter, Frederick head July 1856/43M15 lawyer Helen W wife Feb 1862 M15/5/5 Dorothy W daughter Oct 1888/11S at home Frederick A son April 1891/9S at home Margaret W daughter Mar 1894/6S at home Eugene W son Aug 1897/3S at home 8 servants 1900 Ossining ED 102 sheet7B Briarcliff Road Orlando B Potter may 1886/13S cadet 1900 Ossining ED 102 sheet 21A O.B. Potter Children’s (Fresh air) Home lines 43 on.. Line 50 Potter, Martha head July 1854/46S NY MASS MASS Potter Blanche sister Jan 1864/36S NY MASS MASS MANY servants ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I cannot locate him in 1850 census 1860 NYC Ward 15 District 1 820/1149 Orlando Potter 37 lawyer $100,000 Personal Property $6,000 MASS Martha G 38 MASS Martha 6 NY Frederick 4 NY Mary 3 NY Annie 1 NY Eliza Clancy 22 servant IRE Mary Austin 36 servant IRE 1870 NYC Ward 15 District 9 30/32 Potter, Orlando B 47 lawyer Real Estate $1,200,000 Personal Property $300,000 MASS Martha G 48 MASS Martha 15 NY Frederick 14 NY Mary 12 NY Blanche 6 Mary 36 Little, James 40 Coachman Personal Property $1000 IRE Briggs, William 45 PP $6,000 IRE Gibbs, Louise B. 64 housekeeper MASS Clifford, Ellen 22 Domestic Servant IRE Cochran, Mary 25 Domestic Servant IRE Logan, Sophia 40 Domestic Servant IRE 1880 NYC ED 66 p.30 enumerated 9 June 1880 Lafayette Place 26/129/202 Orlando B Potter 57 Retired MASS MASS MASS Mary K 51 wife at home NY CONN CONN Martha 26 daughter at home NY Frederick 24 son lawyer NY Mary 21 daughter at home NY Blanche 16 daughter at home NY Briggs, William 55 agent SCOTLAND Barbara 55 wife keeping house SCOTLAND Robert B 20 son clerk NY Sanford, Maria 53 servant NY Marcelina 18 servant NY Arthur 15 servant NY Barber, Charles 50 lodger, salesman MASS 1880 Ossining ED 119 p. 38 & 39 305/411 Potter, Orlando 57 lawyer Mary K 52 wife keeping house Martha 25 daughter at home Frederick 23 son lawyer Mary 22 daughter at home Blanche 16 daughter at home Page, Catherine 36 servant English, Mary 5 servant O’Connell, Margaret 30 servant Ahearn, Ellen 22 servant Shelby, Patrick 35 coachman McGriffen, John 25 laborer ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hello everyone. I spent some time thinking about those tunnels. Time for research. Why would a farmer go through the expense to do such a thing? I guess because he had more money than almost anyone and could do it. Does the fact he was a very important person in many fields constitute enough to get these tunnels and rooms declared historic, I have no clue. Was there some particular reason when he built them? Trying to find a safer way to store grains or did he just not what the cattle trampling his fields so they looked nice? It also looks like after he died that the "farm" became a Fresh Air establishment with 2 of his daughters living there with their many servants. His Probate file might give some clues as to the disposition of his estate, but I am sure it is HUGE and it could be in either Elmsford or NYC. I do not plan to look for or read it. I have included here what I could find on the Internet and in my subscription libraries. Trying to prove some historic value to the tunnels may prove difficult and time consuming, unless someone can get the Town of Ossining to declare it historic, I doubt there will be any way to save it. After doing this research I would say he did build the tunnels. I wonder if the The New York State Agricultural Society could shed some light on the tunnels. I will post my findings in 5 emails since it is to large for 1 email. Judy Wolf ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I have to agree with you! Growing up in my teen years in the NJ countryside , you watched out for the cows ( If you valued your car, anyway) We've got LOTS of city people moved into Hunterdon County NJ lately and they just can't seem to get the hang of it. Oh well, they just take the insurance $$ and buy a new car. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! >I grew up on a farm, and our cows weren't that dumb either. They knew >where they were supposed to go and went there. At least in my rural >neighborhood drivers knew they had to stop for cows crossing the road. >Sounds to me like someonew had more money than they knew what to do with. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:39:01 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > Thanks, Jean Ann. > > It had occurred to me that perhaps the tunnels were used for cattle moving > from pasture to pasture...... except my thought was that a busily > trafficked > road might have been the reason. > > I grew up on a dairy farm and when farmland was taken for state and county > roads it often dissected the pastures used for cattle to eat. "Cattle > Crossing" signs usually sufficed for county roads back then but many > people > traveling thru on state roads to and from NYC hadn't a clue as to what the > signs meant......and when they were told were absolutely amazed that > CATTLE > had the right-of-way.LOL. > > Our cows moved just fine on grass and didn't stop when they weren't > supposed > to. Either that guy had really stupid cows or he was a "gentleman farmer" > who knew nothing about them. LOL. I've often found that the "dumb" animals > are not as dumb as the people labeling them. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> > To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM > Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > >> Hi all, >> >> This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke >> with >> Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he >> knows all about the tunnels and what they are. >> >> >> >> The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a >> huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about >> 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store >> cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for >> cattle >> to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over >> grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom >> on >> the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to >> different pastures! >> >> Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of >> the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also >> has >> pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in >> the >> area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! >> >> >> >> Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the >> newspaper >> in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be >> saved! >> >> Jean Ann >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 5:57 PM > >

You're welcome, Barb. Even when I was in my twenties it only went as far as the turnoff to Craryville...then much later I was up that way again and it connected to the Mass Turnpike. I never needed to use it that far up regularly except when visiting. I didn't show cattle at the Fair but did get lots of ribbons for clothing and also participated for many years in Dress Revue so I must have known your grandmother if she supervised the 4-H kids who stayed at the 4-H bldg. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > We had Jerseys, but did lose a few to hunters. My uncle, who lived in > Salt > point, closer to you, had Guernseys. Did you show at the Rhinebeck Fair? > My uncle was in charge of the livestocvk show for many, many years. My > grandmother slept in the gorl's dorm and enforced curfew when I was young. > We lived in southern Columbia County. I was on 55 a couple of weeks ago > going to check out my great-grandparents graves in Pleasant Valley--I was > staying with a cousin still in Columbia County. He is in the northeast > part. > The Parkway didn't go that far when I was growing up. It ended at Red > Hook. > > Thanks for the trip down memory lane. > > Barbara > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:22:53 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > I think you're right Barb. > > We lived near Route 55 and it was basically the only state road in the > area. > The Taconic (which we locals simply called the Parkway..and still do among > ourselves) was far away and 82 also....so drivers coming and going to and > from NYC used 55 most of the time. > > Later when the Taconic became popular with hunters there were a lot of > State > Police stops for "deer" that were proudly displayed on the fenders of cars > going to NYC. Actually they were cows. Our neighbor who had Jerseys > painted > signs on them saying "COW". We had only one Jersey for personal use and > kept > her near the barn during deer hunting season. The rest of ours were > Holsteins .......with a couple of Guernseys which we kept out of sight > too...... especially after the time I was hanging clothes and several > bullets went thru the garment in my hand. When I ran for the house the > idiots kept shooting at me. Found out later they were from NYC. > > Maureen > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > >>I grew up on a farm, and our cows weren't that dumb either. They knew >>where they were supposed to go and went there. At least in my rural >>neighborhood drivers knew they had to stop for cows crossing the road. >>Sounds to me like someonew had more money than they knew what to do with. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:39:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! >> >> Thanks, Jean Ann. >> >> It had occurred to me that perhaps the tunnels were used for cattle >> moving >> from pasture to pasture...... except my thought was that a busily >> trafficked >> road might have been the reason. >> >> I grew up on a dairy farm and when farmland was taken for state and >> county >> roads it often dissected the pastures used for cattle to eat. "Cattle >> Crossing" signs usually sufficed for county roads back then but many >> people >> traveling thru on state roads to and from NYC hadn't a clue as to what >> the >> signs meant......and when they were told were absolutely amazed that >> CATTLE >> had the right-of-way.LOL. >> >> Our cows moved just fine on grass and didn't stop when they weren't >> supposed >> to. Either that guy had really stupid cows or he was a "gentleman farmer" >> who knew nothing about them. LOL. I've often found that the "dumb" >> animals >> are not as dumb as the people labeling them. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> >> To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM >> Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke >>> with >>> Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he >>> knows all about the tunnels and what they are. >>> >>> >>> >>> The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a >>> huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built >>> about >>> 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store >>> cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for >>> cattle >>> to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle >>> over >>> grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom >>> on >>> the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels >>> to >>> different pastures! >>> >>> Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of >>> the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also >>> has >>> pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in >>> the >>> area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! >>> >>> >>> >>> Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the >>> newspaper >>> in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be >>> saved! >>> >>> Jean Ann >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you're right Barb. We lived near Route 55 and it was basically the only state road in the area. The Taconic (which we locals simply called the Parkway..and still do among ourselves) was far away and 82 also....so drivers coming and going to and from NYC used 55 most of the time. Later when the Taconic became popular with hunters there were a lot of State Police stops for "deer" that were proudly displayed on the fenders of cars going to NYC. Actually they were cows. Our neighbor who had Jerseys painted signs on them saying "COW". We had only one Jersey for personal use and kept her near the barn during deer hunting season. The rest of ours were Holsteins .......with a couple of Guernseys which we kept out of sight too...... especially after the time I was hanging clothes and several bullets went thru the garment in my hand. When I ran for the house the idiots kept shooting at me. Found out later they were from NYC. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! >I grew up on a farm, and our cows weren't that dumb either. They knew >where they were supposed to go and went there. At least in my rural >neighborhood drivers knew they had to stop for cows crossing the road. >Sounds to me like someonew had more money than they knew what to do with. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:39:01 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > Thanks, Jean Ann. > > It had occurred to me that perhaps the tunnels were used for cattle moving > from pasture to pasture...... except my thought was that a busily > trafficked > road might have been the reason. > > I grew up on a dairy farm and when farmland was taken for state and county > roads it often dissected the pastures used for cattle to eat. "Cattle > Crossing" signs usually sufficed for county roads back then but many > people > traveling thru on state roads to and from NYC hadn't a clue as to what the > signs meant......and when they were told were absolutely amazed that > CATTLE > had the right-of-way.LOL. > > Our cows moved just fine on grass and didn't stop when they weren't > supposed > to. Either that guy had really stupid cows or he was a "gentleman farmer" > who knew nothing about them. LOL. I've often found that the "dumb" animals > are not as dumb as the people labeling them. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> > To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM > Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > >> Hi all, >> >> This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke >> with >> Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he >> knows all about the tunnels and what they are. >> >> >> >> The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a >> huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about >> 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store >> cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for >> cattle >> to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over >> grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom >> on >> the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to >> different pastures! >> >> Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of >> the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also >> has >> pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in >> the >> area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! >> >> >> >> Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the >> newspaper >> in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be >> saved! >> >> Jean Ann >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Bill. 6 pp is all they gave me years ago when I requested the SHERWOOD pp. Yes please I would definitely like to have the other 6pp. Also please send the FORSHAY pp when you send the others. I don't have them either. I'll send you my s-mail addy privately. I know what you mean about babies....although I don't have any great grands yet. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD > Maureen: > > I got your mail today. You sent me 6 pages of Sherwood's. I got my > package from Westchester Historical Society today also. In it was the > SHERWOOD's and it was 12 pages. I see you made a lot of notes on yours so > will start with yours and then go to the other 6 pages. Do you want a copy > of that? I also got the FOSHAY's. It will take me awhile to get through > it as we are babysitting our Greatgrand son he is 16 months old. You can't > get much done with him hanging on you all the time. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Bill, > > He sure did have a wife and children.....he married Sarah Drake d o Samuel > Drake and Mary Fowler. Job and Sarah are my 5th g-grandparents same as > Solomon and Elizabeth. When Carol sends the Fowler pp from MacKenzie > you'll > see Mary and Sam on there. They are my 6th g-grandparents. Job had several > children one of which was Ann Sherwood my 4th g-grandmother. She married > Moses Ward. > > I would have to look up the dates and also look up Moses Sherwood. I don't > know as much about him off the top of my head. I'll try to get the > Sherwood > pp copied when I go out tomorrow. As I had mentioned, my scanner and > copier > don't work. Carol told me about one she bought that works great with a > laptop like I have now. I'm going to look into it. > > Maureen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Forshay" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:44 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD > > >> Maureen: >> >> What can you tell me about Job? All I have is his name with his >> brother Solomon and his father Moses. Did he have a wife and children? >> Also who was Moses wife and any dates you may have? >> >> Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >> >> quillpen1 wrote: Thanks for looking , Barbara. >> >> I also have Job Sherwood, another 5th great grandfather who is Solomon's >> brother. Their father is Moses Sherwood, my double 6th g-grandfather. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD >> >> >>> Bill, I didn't get your attachment. Maureen, I do n't see a Solomon so >>> far, but as I keep saying my Sherwoods are a mess. >>> >>> Barbara >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: quillpen1 >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:10:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD >>> >>> Barbara, >>> >>> If you are related to Solomon Sherwood then you are related to me. >>> Please >>> let me know. He is my 5th grear grandfather, married Elizabeth Foseur >>> (Forshay). >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bill Forshay" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] SHERWOOD >>> >>> >>>> Barbara: >>>> >>>> I will attach a family group sheet on Solomon SHERWOOD and his >>>> family. Let me know if this is a help or make any corrections that you >>>> may >>>> have. >>>> >>>> Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Barbara de Mare wrote: Bill, >>>> >>>> My Sherwoods are from your era or earlier, and from the >>>> Connecticut--New >>>> York area around Greenwich. There is just no certainty as to the >>>> information I haver on any of them. Some of it makes no sense to me >>>> from >>>> a time-line point of view. 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Thanks, Jean Ann. It had occurred to me that perhaps the tunnels were used for cattle moving from pasture to pasture...... except my thought was that a busily trafficked road might have been the reason. I grew up on a dairy farm and when farmland was taken for state and county roads it often dissected the pastures used for cattle to eat. "Cattle Crossing" signs usually sufficed for county roads back then but many people traveling thru on state roads to and from NYC hadn't a clue as to what the signs meant......and when they were told were absolutely amazed that CATTLE had the right-of-way.LOL. Our cows moved just fine on grass and didn't stop when they weren't supposed to. Either that guy had really stupid cows or he was a "gentleman farmer" who knew nothing about them. LOL. I've often found that the "dumb" animals are not as dumb as the people labeling them. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > Hi all, > > This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke > with > Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he > knows all about the tunnels and what they are. > > > > The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a > huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about > 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store > cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for > cattle > to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over > grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom on > the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to > different pastures! > > Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of > the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also > has > pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in > the > area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! > > > > Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the newspaper > in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be > saved! > > Jean Ann > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did one year of dress revue, but mostly just cattle. My grandmother was Ivy Fish--a real character. Those were indeed the "good old days." My biggest thing was to get up ahead of (why can't I think of his name?) and get the milking machine first so I could be done early. My grandmother wouldn't let me leave before 4. The boys had no such rules, but I still managed to get it first at least half the time. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:38:57 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! You're welcome, Barb. Even when I was in my twenties it only went as far as the turnoff to Craryville...then much later I was up that way again and it connected to the Mass Turnpike. I never needed to use it that far up regularly except when visiting. I didn't show cattle at the Fair but did get lots of ribbons for clothing and also participated for many years in Dress Revue so I must have known your grandmother if she supervised the 4-H kids who stayed at the 4-H bldg. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > We had Jerseys, but did lose a few to hunters. My uncle, who lived in > Salt > point, closer to you, had Guernseys. Did you show at the Rhinebeck Fair? > My uncle was in charge of the livestocvk show for many, many years. My > grandmother slept in the gorl's dorm and enforced curfew when I was young. > We lived in southern Columbia County. I was on 55 a couple of weeks ago > going to check out my great-grandparents graves in Pleasant Valley--I was > staying with a cousin still in Columbia County. He is in the northeast > part. > The Parkway didn't go that far when I was growing up. It ended at Red > Hook. > > Thanks for the trip down memory lane. > > Barbara > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:22:53 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > I think you're right Barb. > > We lived near Route 55 and it was basically the only state road in the > area. > The Taconic (which we locals simply called the Parkway..and still do among > ourselves) was far away and 82 also....so drivers coming and going to and > from NYC used 55 most of the time. > > Later when the Taconic became popular with hunters there were a lot of > State > Police stops for "deer" that were proudly displayed on the fenders of cars > going to NYC. Actually they were cows. Our neighbor who had Jerseys > painted > signs on them saying "COW". We had only one Jersey for personal use and > kept > her near the barn during deer hunting season. The rest of ours were > Holsteins .......with a couple of Guernseys which we kept out of sight > too...... especially after the time I was hanging clothes and several > bullets went thru the garment in my hand. When I ran for the house the > idiots kept shooting at me. Found out later they were from NYC. > > Maureen > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > >>I grew up on a farm, and our cows weren't that dumb either. They knew >>where they were supposed to go and went there. At least in my rural >>neighborhood drivers knew they had to stop for cows crossing the road. >>Sounds to me like someonew had more money than they knew what to do with. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:39:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! >> >> Thanks, Jean Ann. >> >> It had occurred to me that perhaps the tunnels were used for cattle >> moving >> from pasture to pasture...... except my thought was that a busily >> trafficked >> road might have been the reason. >> >> I grew up on a dairy farm and when farmland was taken for state and >> county >> roads it often dissected the pastures used for cattle to eat. "Cattle >> Crossing" signs usually sufficed for county roads back then but many >> people >> traveling thru on state roads to and from NYC hadn't a clue as to what >> the >> signs meant......and when they were told were absolutely amazed that >> CATTLE >> had the right-of-way.LOL. >> >> Our cows moved just fine on grass and didn't stop when they weren't >> supposed >> to. Either that guy had really stupid cows or he was a "gentleman farmer" >> who knew nothing about them. LOL. I've often found that the "dumb" >> animals >> are not as dumb as the people labeling them. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> >> To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM >> Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke >>> with >>> Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he >>> knows all about the tunnels and what they are. >>> >>> >>> >>> The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a >>> huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built >>> about >>> 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store >>> cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for >>> cattle >>> to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle >>> over >>> grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom >>> on >>> the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels >>> to >>> different pastures! >>> >>> Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of >>> the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also >>> has >>> pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in >>> the >>> area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! >>> >>> >>> >>> Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the >>> newspaper >>> in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be >>> saved! >>> >>> Jean Ann >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We had Jerseys, but did lose a few to hunters. My uncle, who lived in Salt point, closer to you, had Guernseys. Did you show at the Rhinebeck Fair? My uncle was in charge of the livestocvk show for many, many years. My grandmother slept in the gorl's dorm and enforced curfew when I was young. We lived in southern Columbia County. I was on 55 a couple of weeks ago going to check out my great-grandparents graves in Pleasant Valley--I was staying with a cousin still in Columbia County. He is in the northeast part. The Parkway didn't go that far when I was growing up. It ended at Red Hook. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:22:53 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! I think you're right Barb. We lived near Route 55 and it was basically the only state road in the area. The Taconic (which we locals simply called the Parkway..and still do among ourselves) was far away and 82 also....so drivers coming and going to and from NYC used 55 most of the time. Later when the Taconic became popular with hunters there were a lot of State Police stops for "deer" that were proudly displayed on the fenders of cars going to NYC. Actually they were cows. Our neighbor who had Jerseys painted signs on them saying "COW". We had only one Jersey for personal use and kept her near the barn during deer hunting season. The rest of ours were Holsteins .......with a couple of Guernseys which we kept out of sight too...... especially after the time I was hanging clothes and several bullets went thru the garment in my hand. When I ran for the house the idiots kept shooting at me. Found out later they were from NYC. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! >I grew up on a farm, and our cows weren't that dumb either. They knew >where they were supposed to go and went there. At least in my rural >neighborhood drivers knew they had to stop for cows crossing the road. >Sounds to me like someonew had more money than they knew what to do with. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:39:01 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > Thanks, Jean Ann. > > It had occurred to me that perhaps the tunnels were used for cattle moving > from pasture to pasture...... except my thought was that a busily > trafficked > road might have been the reason. > > I grew up on a dairy farm and when farmland was taken for state and county > roads it often dissected the pastures used for cattle to eat. "Cattle > Crossing" signs usually sufficed for county roads back then but many > people > traveling thru on state roads to and from NYC hadn't a clue as to what the > signs meant......and when they were told were absolutely amazed that > CATTLE > had the right-of-way.LOL. > > Our cows moved just fine on grass and didn't stop when they weren't > supposed > to. Either that guy had really stupid cows or he was a "gentleman farmer" > who knew nothing about them. LOL. I've often found that the "dumb" animals > are not as dumb as the people labeling them. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Ann Lupinetti" <jeanann@bestweb.net> > To: <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM > Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mystic Tunnels/Mystery solved! > > >> Hi all, >> >> This is the Reader's Digest version of what the tunnels are. I spoke >> with >> Norman McDonald, president of the Ossining Historical and he told me he >> knows all about the tunnels and what they are. >> >> >> >> The area of the site, Riverdale Farm, was owned by Orlando B. Potter, a >> huge dairy farmer. The farm was 100 acres. The tunnels were built about >> 1871 to be used for several different things. Some rooms were to store >> cattle food, some rooms were a root cellar and it was also a path for >> cattle >> to get to different pastures. Seems you can't move a herd of cattle over >> grass or they stop to eat the grass. Since the brick was on the bottom >> on >> the tunnels (paved) it was easy to move the cattle through the tunnels to >> different pastures! >> >> Potter died in 1915 and his two daughters began selling off sections of >> the farm. The Ossining Historical Society has maps of the farm and also >> has >> pictures (taken my Norman) before the mansion was torn down. It was in >> the >> area of St. Augustine's Church. The mansion had 30 marble fireplaces! >> >> >> >> Norman spoke to a reporter and the entire story should be in the >> newspaper >> in a day or two. Now someone has to decide if the tunnels should be >> saved! >> >> Jean Ann >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message