Hi Jim, I was expecting this question since the moment that I pushed "send" as I have the same question. I do not know. Perhaps another reader knows? Yes, the header of NYC Marriage Licenses 1908-1951 says "State of New York Affidavit for License to Marry." Yes, we've learned that NYC and NYS records are kept separately. Yes, Westchester County NY has an Index to Marriage Licenses online 1908-1935. http://archives.westchestergov.com/browse-all-online-indexes-main/marriages-index Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: James Castellan <james.castellan@gmail.com> Dear Barb, From your post, I noticed: "The Marriage License header title says "State of New York Affidavit for License to Marry." but your header states: "NYC Marriage Procedure 1908 - 1951". Was a marriage license only required for NYC marriages during the 1908-1951 period or was this requirement state-wide? Thanks. Jim

UGHHH NOT all years for all 5 counties have been uploaded online yet. NYC Marriage Licenses. Search by year, then county. >>> https://archive.org/details/nycmarriageindex/&tab=collection Please cut out email junk at the bottom before replying. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Lauri Russell via < lauri.russell@gmail.com I only see up to 1935-36. I'm interested in later years, anyone else having this issue? >

Hi Eileen, I recall helping you identify the correct Catholic church near a specific addresses. First, let me explain the steps involved. I tend to think that any multi-step process leave it open to fumbles. The marriage "process" 1908-1951 began with the couple applying in-person for, then acquiring, a "License to Marry." [I have one in front of me now.] The header title says "State of New York Affidavit for License to Marry." Couples applied for a license in the county where the ceremony would take place, usually where the bride lived. The couple had 90 days to actually marry while the license was valid. Once the marriage ceremony was performed aka "solemnized" [the word on the civil license form], the officiant was supposed to complete and return page three of the Marriage License to the county that issued the license. According to the form in front of me, the officiant was supposed to return his confirmation of marriage "on or before the 10th day" of the next month. Since you have the marriage certificate from St. Bernard's RC Church, this tells me that: l) The officiating priest neglected to complete then return the form to NYC, or returned it to the wrong county; or 2) The marriage ceremony did not occur within the 90 day licensing window; or 3) The officiating priest was not paid for his services; or 4) The officiating priest and/or his parish felt that their "sacramental" records were not the business of civil authorities. [This was quite common within the Irish culture.] 5) The officiating priest returned his section later than the 10th of the next month. In general, when page 3 of the license was not filed by the officiant with the city, this could lead researchers to believe that a marriage ceremony did not occur. FYI For each of the 5 marriage licenses that I purchased last week, none appear in the IGG/GGG marriage certificate search. I don't know if this is common or not. Eileen, residential addresses of both bride and groom appear on the Marriage License. Please contact me offlist if you'd like me to retrieve it for you. -----Original Message----- From: Chapman, Eileen <echapman@monmouth.edu> Thank you for the link, Barb. I found my grandfather and grandmother both listed and at each of their names there is a "NO RETURN" stamp and no date provided for their marriage. To add to the mystery, I have a marriage certificate for their wedding at St Bernard's church but when I called the church asking if they had the bride's address on file, they were very accommodating and spent quite a bit of time on the phone with me but could find no record of the marriage. Would love your thoughts on this mystery. Eileen -----Original Message-----mizscarlettny via Access to Marriage LICENSE Index, not Marriage CERTIFICATES, 1908-1951. I viewed and purchased a few last week at the Archives. Informational and truly beautiful copies. VIEW Marriage License Index here>>>> https://archive.org/details/nycmarriageindex/&tab=collection It's a goldmine to panhandle!

Access to Marriage LICNESE Index, not Marriage CERTIFICATES, 1908-1951. This McKenna info was extracted from such a certificate. I viewed and purchased a few last week at the Archives. Informational and truly beautiful copies. I'll post the step-by-step directions of how to use this, later today.>>> https://archive.org/details/nycmarriageindex/&tab=collection It's a goldmine to panhandle! Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian J Densmore <brian@amason.net> > Access to the NYC Marriage Licenses has a new online presence, but it is > incomplete. Did you share this new online presence with us and I missed it? What/where is this new presence?

> Access to the NYC Marriage Licenses has a new online presence, but it is > incomplete. Did you share this new online presence with us and I missed it? What/where is this new presence?

> Long before the IGG/GGG Marriage index transcription projects were > released to the public, > we searched for marriages via the Brooklyn Lists' Homepage here> > http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/index.html In addition to these indexes is the newly posted indexes of the "other" marriage records, not the certificates, at archive.org. This is not an index to marriage certificates but to the 3 page record that includes the license. It's not a friendly tool for searching, but if you can't make the trip to NYC, and don't have the funds to pay for "feet on the ground", it's at least accessible. No worse than scrolling through a microfilm on a library filmreader. You know the "old-fashioned" way of doing genealogy. https://archive.org/details/nycmarriageindex/&tab=collection

Legit closure. Please pass it on. The way that LDS/Family Search has been the past year, I'm awaiting some interesting additions. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BKLYN] Notice from FamilySearch regarding regarding Site unavailability on June 27 due to upgrades "FamilySearch has been working hard to upgrade our website to accommodate the ongoing growth of new features, such as hinting in the Family Tree. As a part of this process, FamilySearch.org will undergo a technical upgrade on Monday, June 27, starting at 12:00 a.m. MDT (6:00 a.m. UTC). The site may be unavailable for up to 24 hours as we test the system improvements. Thank you for your patience as we make these changes. We are excited about this site upgrade and the increased capacity to help people around the world discover their ancestors. Thank You, FamilySearch.org"

New addition! Mostly unrecorded wills, 1184 files, mostly not recorded in New York County's will books. Not in other counties, either. Because of more original wills, I moved Albany's Old wills in Original Wills section along with New York county's. http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/newyork.htm free browsing of lists. W David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

The latest from the NYC Municipal Archives is the retirement of Tony some two weeks ago. He was my go-to guy and their most hands-on-knowledgeable staff member. And, and he is not being replaced...as if he could be! Last I knew, he was the only one who could navigate the physical building-lot book for folks to order WPA house photographs.* Since microfilm cabinets were shuffled around, Tony was the *only* one who knew what landed where, or at least could figure it out! The Archives already has a backlog of internet and mail orders. Add in summer vacations, and it's leaning toward a long, hot queuefor folks ordering certificates. So...who ya gonna call? Yours truly. One of my keeping-it-close-to-the-vest bits about Tony was that he grew up nearby the Archives. Right around the corner from my gg grandfather's SE-gar shop! Ohhhh the stories. Yup, Tony was dutifully at work when the World Trade Center was hit. Just name the street, the address, the park, bridge, building, post-1950, and Tony lived it. So here's to my buddy, Tony. May his trips to DisneyWorld be many. May his beers always be cold. May the whiff of some lady's perfume always signal him home. Until we meet again, I'll never mimic his, "Fugitabowtit." * HOUSE/BUILDING PHOTOS http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/photos/photos.shtml Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

Yesterday I viewed the Marriage License, not Marriage Certificate, for Marguerite R. McKenna. Access to the NYC Marriage Licenses has a new online presence, but it is incomplete. NYC Marriage Licenses were required pre-marriage from 1908-1951. The NYC Municipal Archives has copies from 1908-1930 and they are a goldmine. Here are the partial results.>>> Queens NYC Marriage License, 22 September 1916, #2370 B: Marguerite R. McKenna Father: Michael McKENNA; Mother: Kate KELLY G: George Michael DENNIGE Marriage performed by Herbert FARRELL, priest in Far Rockaway This is all the information that I have. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

Yesterday I viewed the Marriage License, not Marriage Certificate, for Bernard McKenna. Access to the NYC Marriage Licenses has a new online presence, but it is incomplete. NYC Marriage Licenses were required pre-marriage from 1908-1951. The NYC Municipal Archives has copies from 1908-1930 and they are a goldmine. Here are the partial results.>>> Queens NYC Marriage License, 24 November 1916, #3014 Bernard McKENNA, age 25, of Jersey City NJ, born Scotland married; Railroad employee Father : James McKENNA; Mother: Catherine McCAFFREY; both born IRE Catherine McKENNA, of Flushing [Queens NYC]; weaver Parents: James McKENNA & Mary CONWAY This is all the information that I have. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

Yesterday I viewed 4 Death Certificates in Manhattan for Mary HAMILL. These re the results.>>> 1. MANH DEATHS; 1926/Nov 27 # 29183 White female widowed. Age 60y. Died St. Vincent's Hostpital Born US & lived there for life. Parents: Lawrence BRANNIGER & Margaret CULLEN; both born IRE Buried: St. Raymond's 2. MANH DEATHS; 1929/Feb 5 # 4452 White female widowed. DOB 10 Sept 1857. Age 71y 5 mo 5 da. Born and lived in NYC. Parents born IRE: George & Margaret ROBINSON Buried: Holy Cross 3. MANH DEATHS; 1931/Nov 21 # 1931 White single female. Age 63y born U.S. Occupation: Cleaner & Dyer. Parents born IRE Patrick HAMILL & Catherine DONOHUE Buried: Calvary 4. MANH DEATHS; 1935/Nov 5 # 23319 White female widowed. Age 74y, Died at French [Cancer] Hospital*, 330 West 36th Street. Home: 408 W 53 St. Parents: Patrick KEENAN & Bridget FINEGAN * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Hospital_(Manhattan) I hope this helps someone connect with their ancestors. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

That's true Krys, but not everyone is listed there. There are additional records that are not in the online index, and are only searchable on films in-person. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Krys Boccumini <kkbocc@gmail.com> pre 1900 are available on familysearch On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:53 PM, mizscarlettny via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> wrote: The UNDERHILL family had a huge presence in Northern Westchester. Here's a listing of about 214 surrogates records for UNDERHILL. There are several LITTELS listed also. http://recordcenter.westchestergov.com/SurrogatesSearchResult.aspx If you need copies, please email me offlist. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list over the years. Visit http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

pre 1900 are available on familysearch On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:53 PM, mizscarlettny via <nywestch@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > The UNDERHILL family had a huge presence in Northern Westchester. > > Here's a listing of about 214 surrogates records for UNDERHILL. > > There are several LITTELS listed also. > > > > http://recordcenter.westchestergov.com/SurrogatesSearchResult.aspx > > > > If you need copies, please email me offlist. > > > Barb > > MizScarlettNY@aol.com > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > Browse or Search the Mailing List Archives of postings sent to this list > over the years. Visit > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html#NYWESTCH > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The UNDERHILL family had a huge presence in Northern Westchester. Here's a listing of about 214 surrogates records for UNDERHILL. There are several LITTELS listed also. http://recordcenter.westchestergov.com/SurrogatesSearchResult.aspx If you need copies, please email me offlist. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

Here are today's Obituaries from Westchester County, NY. Suburban Westchester sits on the northern border of Bronx NYC. Many residents in Westchester originated from NYC, especially the Bronx, and larger southern cities such as Yonkers and White Plains. http://obits.lohud.com/obituaries/lohud/ Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

(continuation)...Father/Cardinal FARLEY moved from parish to parish within the Archdiocese of NY. Wherever he was stationed, he baptized and officiated at marriages of generations of my CLARK ancestors. This religious affiliation evolved as I worked on this branch of our family. Barb -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny <mizscarlettny@aol.com> To: mymarbil <mymarbil@yahoo.com>; ny-irish <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>; nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 8:18 pm Subject: FARLEY & CLARK Hi Bill. My ancestor Andrew CLARK ancestor was the witness in this NY County Naturalization> 1867, 5 April NATZ Edward FARLEY 777 Myrtle Ave BKLN Common Pleas Court, NYC Bundle 346, Record 274A Wit: Andrew CLARK of 59 Madison St.[NY, NY] Andrew and brothers James & Patrick CLARK owned 2-3 boot and shoe stores in NYC. Andrew arrived NYC ca. 1851. He was the leader of the pack. Sisters Annie & Bridget also in NYC. Their mother was Margaret FARLEY [my 3x great grandmother] from County Cavan, IRE; she was related to Cardinal FARLEY of the Archdiocese of NY. As a priest, Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny <mizscarlettny@aol.com> To: mymarbil <mymarbil@yahoo.com>; ny-irish <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>; nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Roll Call - Evers - Farley - Lyons - Rowe Ossining is in Westchester County, and there are many entries for all of your surnames in the county indexes to wills, naturalization and marriage. Westchester County Online Indexes>>> http://archives.westchestergov.com/browse-all-online-indexes Please tell me the first names of your FARLEYs. My ancestral FARLEY 3x great grandmother was Margaret married to CLARK in County Cavan circa 1826 Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn & Bill Hinkle via <mymarbil@yahoo.com I am looking for:EVERS Possibly from Rosscommon Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY FARLEY From Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY LYONS From Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY. Thomas was born 1854 ROWE From Ireland and settled in Fishkill NY, Catherine married Thomas LyonsAny help would be appreciatedBill Hinkle mymarbil@yahoo.com

Hi Bill. My ancestor Andrew CLARK ancestor was the witness in this NY County Naturalization> 1867, 5 April NATZ Edward FARLEY 777 Myrtle Ave BKLN Common Pleas Court, NYC Bundle 346, Record 274A Wit: Andrew CLARK of 59 Madison St.[NY, NY] Andrew and brothers James & Patrick CLARK owned 2-3 boot and shoe stores in NYC. Andrew arrived NYC ca. 1851. He was the leader of the pack. Sisters Annie & Bridget also in NYC. Their mother was Margaret FARLEY [my 3x great grandmother] from County Cavan, IRE; she was related to Cardinal FARLEY of the Archdiocese of NY. As a priest, Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny <mizscarlettny@aol.com> To: mymarbil <mymarbil@yahoo.com>; ny-irish <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>; nywestch <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Roll Call - Evers - Farley - Lyons - Rowe Ossining is in Westchester County, and there are many entries for all of your surnames in the county indexes to wills, naturalization and marriage. Westchester County Online Indexes>>> http://archives.westchestergov.com/browse-all-online-indexes Please tell me the first names of your FARLEYs. My ancestral FARLEY 3x great grandmother was Margaret married to CLARK in County Cavan circa 1826 Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn & Bill Hinkle via <mymarbil@yahoo.com I am looking for:EVERS Possibly from Rosscommon Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY FARLEY From Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY LYONS From Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY. Thomas was born 1854 ROWE From Ireland and settled in Fishkill NY, Catherine married Thomas LyonsAny help would be appreciatedBill Hinkle mymarbil@yahoo.com

Ossining is in Westchester County, and there are many entries for all of your surnames in the county indexes to wills, naturalization and marriage. Westchester County Online Indexes>>> http://archives.westchestergov.com/browse-all-online-indexes Please tell me the first names of your FARLEYs. My ancestral FARLEY 3x great grandmother was Margaret married to CLARK in County Cavan circa 1826 Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn & Bill Hinkle via <mymarbil@yahoo.com I am looking for:EVERS Possibly from Rosscommon Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY FARLEY From Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY LYONS From Ireland, settled in Ossining, NY. Thomas was born 1854 ROWE From Ireland and settled in Fishkill NY, Catherine married Thomas LyonsAny help would be appreciatedBill Hinkle mymarbil@yahoo.com

Are there any savvy Catholics out there? Virginia? Jim Garrity? Please add to this. Many folks are writing me about the prolonged delay of Chief Stack's Roman Catholic funeral and how cruel this was to the Stack family. Judie Cook suggested informing Pope Francis of this travesty of humane justice. Before posting, I read 8-10 articles about the Chief's passing and the family's plight. The World Trade Center, as a place of death, lies within the jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of New York. Calverton National Cemetery lies within the jurisdiction of the Catholic Diocese of Rockville Center since the 1950s, and prior to that the Diocese of Brooklyn. I kind of recall from 12 yrs of CCD and Catholic college, that the Church requires "relics" when approving someone for sainthood, but never heard this requirement for a funeral. Old St. Pat's Cathedral aka The Basilica of St. Patrick NYC, or the Fifth Avenue one...Read about such relics of past priests. Definition of "relic" as it pertains to Roman Catholics> http://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/relics In 2001, I attended the funeral Mass of my friend's husband, who also died in the World Trade Center. It was the only time I attended a funeral w/o a casket; this was in New Jersey. My hunch is our military readers may have experienced this before. It may be more common that I know. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> 17 June 2016 "Once A Hero, Always A Hero: FDNY Battalion Chief Lawrence T. Stack " On what would have been his 49th wedding anniversary, FDNY Battalion Chief Lawrence T. Stack was finally honored today with a requiem Mass at Saints Philip and James Roman Catholic Church (Suffolk Co., Long Island) followed by a full military service at Calverton National Cemetery. http://www.firehero.org/fallen-firefighter/lawrence-t-stack/ Chief Stack perished in the North Tower collapse after Muslim terrorists attacked the NYC World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. He was last seen rescuing a man in that tower. Since his body was never recovered, a Catholic funeral had to be postponed. Then, just this year, the family recovered two vials of Chief Stack's blood that he'd long ago donated to the New York Blood Bank. These qualified Stack for a proper Catholic funeral. After serving in the U.S. Navy, including a tour in Viet Nam, Stack served thirty-three years with FDNY. FDNY has become synonymous with the Stack family history. Not only did Chief Stack's father and brother serve and retire from NYFD, but both of his sons are active firefighters. Chief Lawrence Stack is survived by his wife, Theresa, and their two sons, FDNY Lt. Michael Stack, 46 and Firefighter Brian Stack, 44, Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com @BAMS;6.18.2016 ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message