Here are a few sites for nicknames. My Great Aunt was named Ellen and was called Nellie. Maggie http://www.tngenweb.org/franklin/frannick.htm http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/other/nicknames.html http://www.cslib.org/nickname.htm http://genealogy.about.com/library/bl_nicknames.htm http://www.20000-names.com/female_e_names.htm WS-GENEAL wrote: > This might be a good place to ask: anyone know a nick/pet name for Ellen ? > Couyld it be Marcy ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary > > > > Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my > > genealogy class--including the instructor, since I > > began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name > > or > > pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and > > "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon > > marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! > > Jan > > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "quillpen1" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > > > > >>I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for > >> Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or > >> Mamie. > >> > >> I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was > >> growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet > >> name > >> for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for > >> Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. > >> > >> Maureen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > >> > >> > >>> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her > >>> as > >>> Polly Hoyt. > >>> George Hoyt > >>> > >>> > >>> ************************************** > >>> Get a sneak peek of > >>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >>> *************************************** > >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > >>> *************************************** > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> *************************************** > >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > >> *************************************** > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > > Historian, genealogist and attorney > > 155 Polifly Road > > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > > (201) 567-9440 office > > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, Due to the closeness in origin between the names Ellen, Helen, and Eleanor, the following appear to have been fairly common in usage for each: 1) "Ellie" as a diminutive 2) Limited-to-moderate interchangeable usage of Lena, Aileen, Eileen, Elaine, Eleanor, Ellen, Lanna (and one might think, Lana), Lenora, Nora 3) The Irish tended to use Nell, Nelly, and Nellie as nick/pet names for Ellen. Hope this helps. Brian

This might be a good place to ask: anyone know a nick/pet name for Ellen ? Couyld it be Marcy ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary > > Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my > genealogy class--including the instructor, since I > began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name > or > pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and > "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon > marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >>I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for >> Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or >> Mamie. >> >> I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was >> growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet >> name >> for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for >> Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> >>> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her >>> as >>> Polly Hoyt. >>> George Hoyt >>> >>> >>> ************************************** >>> Get a sneak peek of >>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill -- you didn't give the name of the person who wrote the will and you didn't give the date of writing the will and of its probate. This information might help others to help you identify these folks. I believe an indenture is a deed, so it would most probably be filed with county land records, probably at the county courthouse. Here's another will that might possibly help -- In his will, dated 15 Feb 1792, probated 13 May 1805, John Kniffin, Senior, of Rye, devised to wife ----- the use of one third of lands [etc,] to revert to sons Elisha, John, Isaac, William, Hackaliah, and Nathan; mentioned son Caleb; all lands to be divided among the first mentioned six sons when Nathan, youngest son, arrived at age of 21; "When my daughters get married, I order the family if they are able to assist them to some things." Executors, son Elisha and friend Gilbert Brown of Rye. Wit., John Theale, Disbury Park, Thomas Mc Collum. (source: Bristol, Theresa Hall, "Abstracts of Wills Recorded at White Plains, Westchester County, New York, Subsequent to May 1, 1787, in New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Oct 1926 (Vol. 57, No. 4), p. 320 (Will of John Kniffin, Senior) Pat >Need help. >I have a will that contains the following statement: 'I give, devise >and bequeath unto my beloved wife Amy one thousand dollars to be >paid to her by my Executors within one year after my decease, with >lawful interest from the time of my decease until paid in full >satisfaction & compliance with a certain Indenture Tripartite >bearing date the twenty second day of October one thousane seven >hundred ninety eight between the said wife Amy (then Amy Purdy)of >one part, myself of another part and Timothy Pardy and Isaac Kniffen >of the third part which legacy together with those herein bequeathed >and given to my said wife are the full Barr and lieu of all Dower >which she could or might claim to my estate'. >John and Amy were married in New Rochelle on the same date that the >Indenture was executed. Timothy Purdy was Amy's father. Isaac >Kniffin is a mystery. The Will goes on to leave control but not >title to a son John,Jr. I am trying to determine what this Indenture >contained . Does anyone know where a document like this would be >filed, assuming that such a document would be filed somewhere ? > >BILL STAPLES > >Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. >Website: www.wstaples.net >*************************************** >Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >*************************************** >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Pat & Walter Wardell Englewood, FL the.wardells@gte.net

Looks as if his wife is claiming no right to his estate except her legal right of dower (which he can't wiggle out of)....and also looks as if he doesn't have the cash to give her at the time of the reading of his will. Isaac Kniffen might have been a relative who lent dowry money to her father and thus would have a legal claim if it hadn't been paid back. I have no idea if these claims were filed at the time of their execution. Maybe you can Google "indenture Tripartite" . It sounds like a three party indenture.....wife, her father and Isaac against estate of the husband. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > Need help. > I have a will that contains the following statement: 'I give, devise and > bequeath unto my beloved wife Amy one thousand dollars to be paid to her > by my Executors within one year after my decease, with lawful interest > from the time of my decease until paid in full satisfaction & compliance > with a certain Indenture Tripartite bearing date the twenty second day of > October one thousane seven hundred ninety eight between the said wife Amy > (then Amy Purdy)of one part, myself of another part and Timothy Pardy and > Isaac Kniffen of the third part which legacy together with those herein > bequeathed and given to my said wife are the full Barr and lieu of all > Dower which she could or might claim to my estate'. > John and Amy were married in New Rochelle on the same date that the > Indenture was executed. Timothy Purdy was Amy's father. Isaac Kniffin is a > mystery. The Will goes on to leave control but not title to a son John,Jr. > I am trying to determine what this Indenture contained . Does anyone know > where a document like this would be filed, assuming that such a document > would be filed somewhere ? > > BILL STAPLES > > Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. > Website: www.wstaples.net > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Brian. I saw that same explanation online when doing my own research......just never had the occasion to meet/know of any "Mary/ Polly personally......several Elizabeth/Polly though including in my own family. My name is supposed to be an alternative for "Mary" (Gaelic) but I've never used the name Mary for myself and never will. My mother named me Maureen because she liked that particular name (her favorite movie star at the time I was born) and quite uncommon when I was growing up.....only 2 Maureens in a school of 600+. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Shelley" <bshelley@mcgrawschools.org> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Mary/Polly origins > As one who has a Mary/Polly in my own lines, I've always been curious as > to > the origin. In reading recent posts, I am apparently not the only one. > So...I did a little checking... > > Mary is the English form of the Latin name "Maria", which means "beloved" > (most likely owing it's origin and meaning to the Bible). In England, the > name "Molly" came to very common usage as a derivation of "Mary" (I would > venture a guess that such was due to English/Scot/Irish language patterns > and intricacies), and has as its meaning the same "beloved" as Maria/Mary. > At some point in time, the M from "Molly" and P from "Polly" became > commonly > interchangeable. Hence, we have a proggression from Maria to Mary to > Molly > to Polly. > > Not very scientific, I know. Just thought I'd throw it out for general > consumption and discourse. > > Brian > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's a new one. All my Ellen's, and I have 4, are simply Ellen. Unless yours happens to be MaryEllen????? See how often you see it mentioned/referred in other documents, letters, records.etc so it suggests a pattern. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > This might be a good place to ask: anyone know a nick/pet name for Ellen ? > Couyld it be Marcy ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >>I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary >> >> Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my >> genealogy class--including the instructor, since I >> began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name >> or >> pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and >> "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon >> marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> >>>I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for >>> Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or >>> Mamie. >>> >>> I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was >>> growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet >>> name >>> for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for >>> Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >>> >>> >>>> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her >>>> as >>>> Polly Hoyt. >>>> George Hoyt >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** >>>> Get a sneak peek of >>>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As one who has a Mary/Polly in my own lines, I've always been curious as to the origin. In reading recent posts, I am apparently not the only one. So...I did a little checking... Mary is the English form of the Latin name "Maria", which means "beloved" (most likely owing it's origin and meaning to the Bible). In England, the name "Molly" came to very common usage as a derivation of "Mary" (I would venture a guess that such was due to English/Scot/Irish language patterns and intricacies), and has as its meaning the same "beloved" as Maria/Mary. At some point in time, the M from "Molly" and P from "Polly" became commonly interchangeable. Hence, we have a proggression from Maria to Mary to Molly to Polly. Not very scientific, I know. Just thought I'd throw it out for general consumption and discourse. Brian

Need help. I have a will that contains the following statement: 'I give, devise and bequeath unto my beloved wife Amy one thousand dollars to be paid to her by my Executors within one year after my decease, with lawful interest from the time of my decease until paid in full satisfaction & compliance with a certain Indenture Tripartite bearing date the twenty second day of October one thousane seven hundred ninety eight between the said wife Amy (then Amy Purdy)of one part, myself of another part and Timothy Pardy and Isaac Kniffen of the third part which legacy together with those herein bequeathed and given to my said wife are the full Barr and lieu of all Dower which she could or might claim to my estate'. John and Amy were married in New Rochelle on the same date that the Indenture was executed. Timothy Purdy was Amy's father. Isaac Kniffin is a mystery. The Will goes on to leave control but not title to a son John,Jr. I am trying to determine what this Indenture contained . Does anyone know where a document like this would be filed, assuming that such a document would be filed somewhere ? BILL STAPLES Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. Website: www.wstaples.net

I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my genealogy class--including the instructor, since I began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name or pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for > Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or Mamie. > > I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was > growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet > name > for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for > Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her as >> Polly Hoyt. >> George Hoyt >> >> >> ************************************** >> Get a sneak peek of >> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

Almost everyone in my genealogy class--including the instructor, since I began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name or pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for > Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or Mamie. > > I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was > growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet > name > for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for > Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her as >> Polly Hoyt. >> George Hoyt >> >> >> ************************************** >> Get a sneak peek of >> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ed, just wanted to let you know Benitia was able to find one of the buildings 881 Cortland Ave and sent me a photo, the other block is all newer apartments now ,but really appreciate your help in narrowing down the streets for me. Thanks, Carol L. Heap Florida

I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or Mamie. I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet name for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her as > Polly Hoyt. > George Hoyt > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her as Polly Hoyt. George Hoyt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi! I got a lead (from the IGI) that suggested that my Eliz. Dutcher of Putnam County, New York was the daughter of the above two adults. Since I haven't had any luck finding her parents in Putnam or Dutchess County, I thought that this was worth exploring... Elizabeth was born October 3, 1797. She married John Bailey on Feb. 13, 1813 in Philipstown, NY She died August 24, 1885. This information is from John Bailey's pension records from the War of 1812. Thanks for any suggestions or leads... Amy

I have the book "Names, Names, & More Names - Locating Dutch Ancestors in Colonial America" by Arthur C.M. Kelly (1999). He worked with a lot of Dutch names as he transcribed Eastern New York Dutch and Lutheran church records for over 60 books. According to him, Dercktje/Dercktie and Dirckje/Dirkje and variations mean Theodora. In the book there is no name beginning with Di- or De- which translates to Dorothy. Most begin with Do-, a few with Du-, the closest being Dortje. It is a valuable book if you don't mind the pages falling out of this poorly-glued paperback. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Polly was in Old-Fashioned Girl. Was her real name Mary? I'll have to re-read it and see. I like to re-read LMA's books every few years anyway. Holly >-----Original Message----- >From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of quillpen1 >Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:36 PM >To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > >I never heard Polly used for Mary until I started genealogical research but >saw it often in English Lit, especially poetry, way back when I was in high >school. > >Wasn't one of the sisters in "Little Women" called Polly for Mary?? Or was >it one of Louisa Alcott's other books?? > >Maureen

Thank you for posting the additional BALLY etc information Pat, and I totally agree - KNIFFEN is a distinct, separate family name altogether, and is not a variation of CANNIFF, KENNIFF, AKENIF Cheers Marg Smith Mardi, NSW Australia Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Bally, Bailey, Bayly, Bayley > Here's what I have for Nathan Bailey. I would note that it seems the > name Canniff (and various spellings) was also sometimes interpreted > as "Kniffen" which I believe is a separate distinct family. I note, > too, that the surname Bailey was sometimes interpreted as "Besley" or > "Beasley" which is a separate, distinct family. > > I welcome any additions, corrections, etc. -- Pat > > -------------------------- > Nathan Bailey, son of Nicholas Bailey & Margaret -?-, m. Esther > Cennieff (Canniff; Kniffen), dau. of Jeremiah Canniff & -?-. > Nathan Bailey d. about 1712 > Esther Canniff was b. Mamaroneck

I think in those days Polly was always a nickname for Mary, as was Molly. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Mert & Holly Kilpatrick <kilpatrk@epix.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:56:49 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje Polly was in Old-Fashioned Girl. Was her real name Mary? I'll have to re-read it and see. I like to re-read LMA's books every few years anyway. Holly >-----Original Message----- >From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of quillpen1 >Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:36 PM >To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > >I never heard Polly used for Mary until I started genealogical research but >saw it often in English Lit, especially poetry, way back when I was in high >school. > >Wasn't one of the sisters in "Little Women" called Polly for Mary?? Or was >it one of Louisa Alcott's other books?? > >Maureen *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it was a Louisa May Alcott book. My family has had many Pollys for Mary, including a niece who turned 22 this weekend. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:36:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje I never heard Polly used for Mary until I started genealogical research but saw it often in English Lit, especially poetry, way back when I was in high school. Wasn't one of the sisters in "Little Women" called Polly for Mary?? Or was it one of Louisa Alcott's other books?? Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > I've frequently heard Nancy for Ann, although was confused until I figured > it out. Polly is still used for Mary, but never heard it used for > Elizabeth. I guess you can call yourself whatever you want. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:17:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > Thanks, Barbara. > > Nicknames years ago were certainly different than today. My 4th > g-grandmother, Elizabeth Sherwood Smith had the "pet name" (as they called > it) of Polly. > My 4th g-grandmother, Ann Sherwood Ward, had the pet name of Nancy. On the > other side of the family my maternal grandmother, Mary Donovan Ryan, was > always called Mamie. > > Maureen > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >> Gertrude was mentioned in prior post this heading. I am >> trying to read what I recently read as a Gertrude nickname-- >> something totally different. I think it was Charity. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:04:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> You are absolutely right, George. Some of those old censuses have been a >> nightmare to decipher....and I haven't even scratched the surface with >> some >> of the old church books you mentioned. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> >>> And just to add a little more to this Theodore name in the recent >>> e-mails. >>> There is a Hoyt ancestor listed as Theodore Hoyt (in handwriting in an >>> old >>> church book.) Imagine my surprise when one day I found out that >>> Theodore >>> was a >>> female named Theodora !!! Handwriting can do us all in if we are not >>> careful. >>> George Hoyt >>> >>> >>> ************************************** >>> Get a sneak peek of >>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message