The Lutheran Pastor who married me over 40 years ago always said the best thing his German immigrant parents ever did for him was to continue to speak German at home, so that he learned proper English in school, as well as proper English at home. His D.D. in theology was grreatly simplified by being fluent in both languagesh Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:28:59 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch When I went to school it was never necessary to send anyone home because they didn't speak English. Even later on when the German girl I mentioned and her brother came over here they learned to speak English just fine. He was 6 yrs old and in a short time spoke English with NO accent. She was 15 and spoke with a very slight accent for a couple of years. Ay home they had to speak German, or Russian, or Polish all of which they had learned to speak fluently in Europe because their mother never learned a word of English and their father was not far behind. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >I grew up in Stamford CT. I had two friends that were sons of immigrants, > and could not speak English. They were sent home and the parents were > told to > have them learn English and come back next year. Both did and both became > successful in life. Why aren't we doing something like this today? > George > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this a genealogy website??????? -----Original Message----- >From: "M.E.Sorensen" <jsorensen4@cfl.rr.com> >Sent: Aug 24, 2007 6:52 PM >To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > >Same in Fl. M.E. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> >To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:46 PM >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Maureen: >> >> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >> >> Bill >> >> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be >> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. >> My >> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter >> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >> major. >> >> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >> school >> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many >> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >> my >> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are >>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jan Miller >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>> needed >>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>> Figure THAT one out! >>> >>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>> >>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They >>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating >>> at >>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>> Jan >>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>> grade >>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>>> why >>>> don't they do that these days. >>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>>> When one door closes another door opens >>>> Marilynn >>>> IBSSG >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, >> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >> >> --------------------------------- >> Fussy? 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Maureen: You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. Bill quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be 12 next week and as far as I know has had no "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. My older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a major. I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the school raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow my grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are > in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade > state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. > Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera > in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. > It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I > resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jan Miller > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to > discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue > "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! > Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for needed > items in the 2007-2008 year. > Figure THAT one out! > > "Both sides of mouth talking" > > There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They > learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating > at > home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilynn Masten" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >> grade >> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >> why >> don't they do that these days. >> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >> When one door closes another door opens >> Marilynn >> IBSSG >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). --------------------------------- Fussy? 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My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for needed items in the 2007-2008 year. Figure THAT one out! "Both sides of mouth talking" There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating at home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my > schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first grade > they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, why > don't they do that these days. > Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras > When one door closes another door opens > Marilynn > IBSSG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first grade they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, why don't they do that these days. Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras When one door closes another door opens Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for needed items in the 2007-2008 year. Figure THAT one out! "Both sides of mouth talking" There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating at home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my > schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first grade > they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, why > don't they do that these days. > Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras > When one door closes another door opens > Marilynn > IBSSG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I grew up in Stamford CT. I had two friends that were sons of immigrants, and could not speak English. They were sent home and the parents were told to have them learn English and come back next year. Both did and both became successful in life. Why aren't we doing something like this today? George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Follow up on Indenture. Although I have seen the word used in relation to land sale/deeds, I think it would only be used relative to a mortgage, as a mortage is an agreement between parties which would fit the dictionary defination of an indenture ie: indenture >noun 1 a formal agreement, contract, or list, formerly one of which copies with indented edges were made for the contracting parties. 2 an agreement binding an apprentice to a master. 3 historical a contract by which a person agreed to work for a set period for a colonial landowner in exchange for passage to the colony. >verb chiefly historical bind by an indenture. -DERIVATIVES indentureship >noun. Although I guess executing a land transfer is also an agreement between parties. We need a Lawyer on this one. BILL STAPLES Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. Website: www.wstaples.net

A definate possibility. I was uncertain if it would be recorded but then thought 'If it was not filrd or recorded how would it be enforced ? If one party's copy was lost or destroyed ? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > Perhaps they were married in the bride's home county but planned to live > in > the groom's home county. > > Were indentured servant agreements recorded?? Perhaps private Indenture > agreements were not recorded in those days. Land records are public and > naturally would be publicly recorded. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:03 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > > >> Hi Pat, >> >> Will was written by John Staples, Amy's husband in 1803. >> I was just trying to get a feel for what the Indenture might relate to. I >> know Indenture is used in land sales but this seemed like it might be >> something else, as no land was mentioned. Nothing shows up (so far) in >> the >> Westchester Archives. It would seem strange that they were married on the >> same day but recorded the Indenture in another County. >> >> The Kniffin is another question. He certainly could be a relative >> >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pat Wardell" <the.wardells@gte.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture >> >> >>> Bill -- you didn't give the name of the person who wrote the will and >>> you didn't give the date of writing the will and of its probate. This >>> information might help others to help you identify these folks. >>> >>> I believe an indenture is a deed, so it would most probably be filed >>> with county land records, probably at the county courthouse. >>> >>> Here's another will that might possibly help -- >>> >>> In his will, dated 15 Feb 1792, probated 13 May 1805, John >>> Kniffin, Senior, of Rye, devised to wife ----- the use of one third >>> of lands [etc,] to revert to sons Elisha, John, Isaac, William, >>> Hackaliah, and Nathan; mentioned son Caleb; all lands to be divided >>> among the first mentioned six sons when Nathan, youngest son, arrived >>> at age of 21; "When my daughters get married, I order the family if >>> they are able to assist them to some things." Executors, son Elisha >>> and friend Gilbert Brown of Rye. Wit., John Theale, Disbury Park, >>> Thomas Mc Collum. (source: Bristol, Theresa Hall, "Abstracts of Wills >>> Recorded at White Plains, Westchester County, New York, Subsequent to >>> May 1, 1787, in New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Oct 1926 >>> (Vol. 57, No. 4), p. 320 (Will of John Kniffin, Senior) >>> >>> Pat >>> >>>>Need help. >>>>I have a will that contains the following statement: 'I give, devise >>>>and bequeath unto my beloved wife Amy one thousand dollars to be >>>>paid to her by my Executors within one year after my decease, with >>>>lawful interest from the time of my decease until paid in full >>>>satisfaction & compliance with a certain Indenture Tripartite >>>>bearing date the twenty second day of October one thousane seven >>>>hundred ninety eight between the said wife Amy (then Amy Purdy)of >>>>one part, myself of another part and Timothy Pardy and Isaac Kniffen >>>>of the third part which legacy together with those herein bequeathed >>>>and given to my said wife are the full Barr and lieu of all Dower >>>>which she could or might claim to my estate'. >>>>John and Amy were married in New Rochelle on the same date that the >>>>Indenture was executed. Timothy Purdy was Amy's father. Isaac >>>>Kniffin is a mystery. The Will goes on to leave control but not >>>>title to a son John,Jr. I am trying to determine what this Indenture >>>>contained . Does anyone know where a document like this would be >>>>filed, assuming that such a document would be filed somewhere ? >>>> >>>>BILL STAPLES >>>> >>>>Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. >>>>Website: www.wstaples.net >>>>*************************************** >>>>Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>*************************************** >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Pat & Walter Wardell >>> Englewood, FL >>> the.wardells@gte.net >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Perhaps they were married in the bride's home county but planned to live in the groom's home county. Were indentured servant agreements recorded?? Perhaps private Indenture agreements were not recorded in those days. Land records are public and naturally would be publicly recorded. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > Hi Pat, > > Will was written by John Staples, Amy's husband in 1803. > I was just trying to get a feel for what the Indenture might relate to. I > know Indenture is used in land sales but this seemed like it might be > something else, as no land was mentioned. Nothing shows up (so far) in the > Westchester Archives. It would seem strange that they were married on the > same day but recorded the Indenture in another County. > > The Kniffin is another question. He certainly could be a relative > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Wardell" <the.wardells@gte.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > > >> Bill -- you didn't give the name of the person who wrote the will and >> you didn't give the date of writing the will and of its probate. This >> information might help others to help you identify these folks. >> >> I believe an indenture is a deed, so it would most probably be filed >> with county land records, probably at the county courthouse. >> >> Here's another will that might possibly help -- >> >> In his will, dated 15 Feb 1792, probated 13 May 1805, John >> Kniffin, Senior, of Rye, devised to wife ----- the use of one third >> of lands [etc,] to revert to sons Elisha, John, Isaac, William, >> Hackaliah, and Nathan; mentioned son Caleb; all lands to be divided >> among the first mentioned six sons when Nathan, youngest son, arrived >> at age of 21; "When my daughters get married, I order the family if >> they are able to assist them to some things." Executors, son Elisha >> and friend Gilbert Brown of Rye. Wit., John Theale, Disbury Park, >> Thomas Mc Collum. (source: Bristol, Theresa Hall, "Abstracts of Wills >> Recorded at White Plains, Westchester County, New York, Subsequent to >> May 1, 1787, in New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Oct 1926 >> (Vol. 57, No. 4), p. 320 (Will of John Kniffin, Senior) >> >> Pat >> >>>Need help. >>>I have a will that contains the following statement: 'I give, devise >>>and bequeath unto my beloved wife Amy one thousand dollars to be >>>paid to her by my Executors within one year after my decease, with >>>lawful interest from the time of my decease until paid in full >>>satisfaction & compliance with a certain Indenture Tripartite >>>bearing date the twenty second day of October one thousane seven >>>hundred ninety eight between the said wife Amy (then Amy Purdy)of >>>one part, myself of another part and Timothy Pardy and Isaac Kniffen >>>of the third part which legacy together with those herein bequeathed >>>and given to my said wife are the full Barr and lieu of all Dower >>>which she could or might claim to my estate'. >>>John and Amy were married in New Rochelle on the same date that the >>>Indenture was executed. Timothy Purdy was Amy's father. Isaac >>>Kniffin is a mystery. The Will goes on to leave control but not >>>title to a son John,Jr. I am trying to determine what this Indenture >>>contained . Does anyone know where a document like this would be >>>filed, assuming that such a document would be filed somewhere ? >>> >>>BILL STAPLES >>> >>>Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. >>>Website: www.wstaples.net >>>*************************************** >>>Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>*************************************** >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Pat & Walter Wardell >> Englewood, FL >> the.wardells@gte.net >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Cliff. My ex husband spoke fluent German (Swabish dialect ....which I've probably spelled wrong) and I also had a girlfriend who came over from Germany in 1954. I was a bridesmaid at her wedding and she called her veil a wail...along with other V/W pronunciations that were completely foreign to our ears. That's why it came to mind in this discussion. When I was growing up in the 40s and 50s in Pawling many of my peers had parents who spoke NO English. We had a lot of Italian families in Pawling at that time. The kids learned English quickly in school and translated for the parents. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Maureen asked if the Dutch pronounce their W like a V as the Germans do. > > On another mailing list, someone had written that the sounds were not > identical in the two languages. I have a Dutch friend named Willem who > was a teacher, so I asked him that same question a few years ago. Their > pronunciation is as a VW, he said. > > To say the English letter V, as in veal, we start a 'hum' then push the > bottom lip away from the teeth while saying an EE sound. The V can come > in front of other vowels as in vat or vine. To make the VW sound you > should pick a vowel sound to use with it. To say Will as VWill, you > would put your teeth on the top of your bottom lip and start to 'hum' > the first part of the V sound. Then push the lips away from the teeth > while saying a WI sound. > > A few years ago I spent a lot of time writing a webpage on how Americans > would pronounce Dutch words, especially names. Although I can pronounce > German rather well, I do not know Dutch pronunciation. At various > times, I asked four Dutch speaking people to pronounce some words for > me. I could not put on paper what I was hearing, so I abandoned the > project when it was about 95% complete. > > I thought it would be useful for genealogists to realize that Catarina, > Catharina, Cataryna, and Catherine would have all been pronounced the > same by a Dutch person (COT-uh-REE-nuh), and therefore they could be > thought of as all the same name when sorting through records looking for > an ancestor. The early spelling variations were frequently created by > the person writing down the name, and what was written depended on that > person's education and primary language (English, Dutch, German). > > The Albany area of New York State was settled by the Dutch in the early > 1600s. Surprisingly, Dutch was still spoken in many Albany homes after > 1800, and business was still conducted in Dutch in 1800, although I > think that government business was entirely in English. > > The Dutch language did not survive as long in Westchester County. > Albany was much more isolated from New York City where the English had > the greatest influence. Albany's isolation was due to the fact that > there were no roads between the cities for a very long time. Traffic > and trade was by sail boat which was impossible in Winter and slow > during the other seasons. The portion of the Hudson River between the > cities is tidal, which causes the water to travel toward NYC part of the > day (falling tide), then flow back toward Albany later (rising tide). > It is not like a normal river where you could expect the flow to take > the boat downstream. The back flow toward Albany is a real benefit when > sailing in that direction, of course. > > The isolation meant that the Dutch language could flourish in the Albany > area. The Reformed church records were in Dutch for a long time. > Reformed church sermons were in Dutch even after 1800 in Albany. In > 1815 in two Reformed Churches in Albany, there was a need for two > sermons each Sunday, one in Dutch and one in English. > > For genealogical research in the Albany area, it would be helpful to > know how the Dutch pronounced names. For example, if an English woman > married a Dutch man and got married in a Reformed Church, her name could > be spelled in a Dutch way in the marriage register, but the > pronunciation of the name would be the same for the Dutch writer/scribe > as it was for the English woman. Spelling differences may not be as > important as they first seem. > > Cliff Lamere > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my family line, the nicknames for Ellen have been either Elly or Nellie.? Vicki? in WNY researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: WS-GENEAL <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje This might be a good place to ask: anyone know a nick/pet name for Ellen ? Couyld it be Marcy ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary > > Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my > genealogy class--including the instructor, since I > began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name > or > pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and > "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon > marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >>I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for >> Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or >> Mamie. >> >> I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was >> growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet >> name >> for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for >> Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> >>> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her >>> as >>> Polly Hoyt. >>> George Hoyt >>> >>> >>> ************************************** >>> Get a sneak peek of >>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Hi Pat, Will was written by John Staples, Amy's husband in 1803. I was just trying to get a feel for what the Indenture might relate to. I know Indenture is used in land sales but this seemed like it might be something else, as no land was mentioned. Nothing shows up (so far) in the Westchester Archives. It would seem strange that they were married on the same day but recorded the Indenture in another County. The Kniffin is another question. He certainly could be a relative Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wardell" <the.wardells@gte.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > Bill -- you didn't give the name of the person who wrote the will and > you didn't give the date of writing the will and of its probate. This > information might help others to help you identify these folks. > > I believe an indenture is a deed, so it would most probably be filed > with county land records, probably at the county courthouse. > > Here's another will that might possibly help -- > > In his will, dated 15 Feb 1792, probated 13 May 1805, John > Kniffin, Senior, of Rye, devised to wife ----- the use of one third > of lands [etc,] to revert to sons Elisha, John, Isaac, William, > Hackaliah, and Nathan; mentioned son Caleb; all lands to be divided > among the first mentioned six sons when Nathan, youngest son, arrived > at age of 21; "When my daughters get married, I order the family if > they are able to assist them to some things." Executors, son Elisha > and friend Gilbert Brown of Rye. Wit., John Theale, Disbury Park, > Thomas Mc Collum. (source: Bristol, Theresa Hall, "Abstracts of Wills > Recorded at White Plains, Westchester County, New York, Subsequent to > May 1, 1787, in New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Oct 1926 > (Vol. 57, No. 4), p. 320 (Will of John Kniffin, Senior) > > Pat > >>Need help. >>I have a will that contains the following statement: 'I give, devise >>and bequeath unto my beloved wife Amy one thousand dollars to be >>paid to her by my Executors within one year after my decease, with >>lawful interest from the time of my decease until paid in full >>satisfaction & compliance with a certain Indenture Tripartite >>bearing date the twenty second day of October one thousane seven >>hundred ninety eight between the said wife Amy (then Amy Purdy)of >>one part, myself of another part and Timothy Pardy and Isaac Kniffen >>of the third part which legacy together with those herein bequeathed >>and given to my said wife are the full Barr and lieu of all Dower >>which she could or might claim to my estate'. >>John and Amy were married in New Rochelle on the same date that the >>Indenture was executed. Timothy Purdy was Amy's father. Isaac >>Kniffin is a mystery. The Will goes on to leave control but not >>title to a son John,Jr. I am trying to determine what this Indenture >>contained . Does anyone know where a document like this would be >>filed, assuming that such a document would be filed somewhere ? >> >>BILL STAPLES >> >>Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. >>Website: www.wstaples.net >>*************************************** >>Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>*************************************** >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Pat & Walter Wardell > Englewood, FL > the.wardells@gte.net > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Checked there, found nothing so far. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > > In a message dated 8/23/2007 11:13:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > WS-GENEAL@comcast.net writes: > > Does anyone know where a document like this would be filed, assuming that > such a document would be filed somewhere ? > > > I would try the Westchester County Archives. > > Judy > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 8/23/2007 11:13:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WS-GENEAL@comcast.net writes: Does anyone know where a document like this would be filed, assuming that such a document would be filed somewhere ? I would try the Westchester County Archives. Judy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

My Aunt was named Ellen and everyone one knew her by Nellie. George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Friends-- The Mormons have a list of names showing proper names and some of their nicknames. For example I found that my Martha Hoyt of early 1800's was also named Patty and could have also been named Patsy. I saw all of this at a Mormon Library in Los Angeles some 10 or 15 years ago, but cannot remember how to find it. George Hoyt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I Googled Ellen and came up with Helen, Nell and Nellie. My mother's sister was named Helen and was always called Nellie. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Miller" <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > That's a new one. > All my Ellen's, and I have 4, are simply Ellen. > Unless yours happens to be MaryEllen????? > See how often you see it mentioned/referred in other documents, letters, > records.etc so it suggests a pattern. > > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >> This might be a good place to ask: anyone know a nick/pet name for Ellen >> ? >> Couyld it be Marcy ? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> >>>I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary >>> >>> Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my >>> genealogy class--including the instructor, since I >>> began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name >>> or >>> pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" >>> and >>> "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel >>> Bacon >>> marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! >>> Jan >>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "quillpen1" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >>> >>> >>>>I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for >>>> Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or >>>> Mamie. >>>> >>>> I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was >>>> growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet >>>> name >>>> for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for >>>> Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. >>>> >>>> Maureen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >>>> >>>> >>>>> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her >>>>> as >>>>> Polly Hoyt. >>>>> George Hoyt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************** >>>>> Get a sneak peek of >>>>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Or Nellie or Nell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Shelley" <bshelley@mcgrawschools.org> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Nick/Pet names for Ellen > Barbara, > > Due to the closeness in origin between the names Ellen, Helen, and Eleanor, > the following appear to have been fairly common in usage for each: > > 1) "Ellie" as a diminutive > 2) Limited-to-moderate interchangeable usage of Lena, Aileen, Eileen, > Elaine, Eleanor, Ellen, Lanna (and one might think, Lana), Lenora, Nora > 3) The Irish tended to use Nell, Nelly, and Nellie as nick/pet names for > Ellen. > > Hope this helps. > Brian > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't see Marcy for Ellen, but I can see Marcella becoming either Ellen or Marcy. The only nickname I have ever heard for Ellen is naturally, Ellie. You have heard that the Cockneys have a habit of rhyming words, which extends to names. Perhaps that was not limited to Cockneys,so that Molly became Polly just by the sound of it. Patsy for Martha was common, but I believe Patsy and Patty are just a rhyme of Mattie, which seems to fit the name Martha. Remember these were pet names. Someday figure out how Jack became a nickname for John. The French Jacque is translated Jacob. Jacob is not John. The Scots say "Jock". but it is translated correctly as Jacob, not John. Jean, Jane, Jenny, and even Joan are all forms of the same name. Yes, I know Jenny is now used for Jennifer. But that is a newer model of the old standby. Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras When one door closes another door opens Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > This might be a good place to ask: anyone know a nick/pet name for Ellen ? > Couyld it be Marcy ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >>I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary >> >> Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my >> genealogy class--including the instructor, since I >> began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name >> or >> pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and >> "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon >> marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> >>>I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for >>> Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or >>> Mamie. >>> >>> I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was >>> growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet >>> name >>> for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for >>> Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >>> >>> >>>> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her >>>> as >>>> Polly Hoyt. >>>> George Hoyt >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** >>>> Get a sneak peek of >>>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. 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