How about learning to speak, read and write English as superbly as our founding father's did, or even as weel as the men and women of the 1800's. My husband had a woman at work, who was a Phi Beta Capa grad, write a resignation letter to him and there were something like 20 gramattical errors in it; at this time, in any class, you only have to write so that someone can make sense of it; and you don't have to know how to spell correctly. When I went to school we could not even use a pen until we wrote well with a pencil and every teacher expected corrected gramatical errors.. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Maul" <rowdyrebel@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Why not a German immersion program? > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Korean???? >> >> We don't have more than a handful of Koeans up here....mostly doctors. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >> > Spanish is actually taking a back seat to Korean around here. >> > >> > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> > Historian, genealogist and attorney >> > 155 Polifly Road >> > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> > (201) 567-9440 office >> > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:53:07 PM >> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> > >> > Funny you should mention it today, Bill. >> > >> > I got an email this AM from a friend down near Dallas who said the same >> > thing......that his whole town is turning into a giant barrio. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> >> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> > >> > >> >> Maureen: >> >> >> >> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over > everything. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will > be >> >> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >> >> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess > County. >> >> My >> >> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >> >> granddaughter >> >> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >> >> major. >> >> >> >> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >> >> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >> >> school >> >> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >> >> many >> >> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not > allow >> >> my >> >> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >> >> >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >> >> >> >>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >> >>> are >> >>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third > grade >> >>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay >> >>> in. >> >>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English > speakera >> >>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is > which. >> >>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as >> >>> I >> >>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >> >>> >> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> >>> 155 Polifly Road >> >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> >>> (201) 567-9440 office >> >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >> >>> From: Jan Miller >> >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >>> >> >>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >> >>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to > continue >> >>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >> >>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >> >>> needed >> >>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >> >>> Figure THAT one out! >> >>> >> >>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >> >>> >> >>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >> >>> They >> >>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >> >>> translating >> >>> at >> >>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >> >>> Jan >> >>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >> >>> To: >> >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of > my >> >>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >> >>>> grade >> >>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. > Yes, >> >>>> why >> >>>> don't they do that these days. >> >>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >> >>>> When one door closes another door opens >> >>>> Marilynn >> >>>> IBSSG >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: >> >>>> To: >> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >> >>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >> >>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >> >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> *************************************** >> >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> >>>> *************************************** >> >>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>>> the >> >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> *************************************** >> >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> >>> *************************************** >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *************************************** >> >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> >>> *************************************** >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> >> *************************************** >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- >> >> WILD, >> >> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >> >> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> Fussy? 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My mother's youngest brother went to Hyde Park. My mother and her siblings went to a one-room school house until High School. I was also in 4-H in Dutchess County in the 50s. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:00:10 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch That was before centralization I assume. Salt Point students now attend Arlington or Hyde Park according to boundaries. I had a 4H leader back in the fifties who told us she rode horseback to Poughkeepsie High from Poughquag in order to get a high school diploma back when she was a girl. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Hardly the boonies any more! I did a Dutchess COunty reminesences tour > recently, and was surprised at how grown up. I always thought Pleasant > Valley was far from Poughkeepsie, and now it is all one place! My parents > both granduated from Poughkeepsie High School, living in Salt Point. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:19:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Jeepers, I'm so glad I'm way up here in Upstate NY in the boonies.....sort > of the boonies anyway.....the farms are fast disappearing! > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M.E.Sorensen" <jsorensen4@cfl.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Same in Fl. M.E. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> Maureen: >>> >>> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will >>> be >>> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >>> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess >>> County. >>> My >>> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >>> granddaughter >>> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >>> major. >>> >>> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >>> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >>> school >>> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >>> many >>> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >>> my >>> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barbara de Mare" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>>> are >>>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English >>>> speakera >>>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>>> >>>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>>> 155 Polifly Road >>>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>>> (201) 567-9440 office >>>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Jan Miller >>>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>>> needed >>>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>>> Figure THAT one out! >>>> >>>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>>> >>>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>>> They >>>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>>> translating >>>> at >>>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>>> Jan >>>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of >>>>> my >>>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>>> grade >>>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. 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Down here the municipalities had to pass ordinances that all businesses have a sign in English so that the police and foreman can find the right places. The old Mom-and-Pop businesses are all Korean owned now--delis, gas stations, nail places of course, etc., etc. The supermarkets closest to me which ever way I go are Korean. The old Jewish Community Center and the biggest synagogue are now Korean churches. One has a small sign Sunday 1 PM English service, the other Sunday 1 PM Spanish service. Then of course there are all the doctors, etc. More and more professional buildings by the hospital are Korean, Chinese or Japanese. We truly are multicultural. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:55:27 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch Korean???? We don't have more than a handful of Koeans up here....mostly doctors. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Spanish is actually taking a back seat to Korean around here. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:53:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Funny you should mention it today, Bill. > > I got an email this AM from a friend down near Dallas who said the same > thing......that his whole town is turning into a giant barrio. > > Maureen > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Maureen: >> >> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >> >> Bill >> >> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be >> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. >> My >> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >> granddaughter >> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >> major. >> >> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >> school >> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >> many >> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >> my >> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>> are >>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jan Miller >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>> needed >>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>> Figure THAT one out! >>> >>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>> >>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>> They >>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>> translating >>> at >>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>> Jan >>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>> grade >>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>>> why >>>> don't they do that these days. >>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>>> When one door closes another door opens >>>> Marilynn >>>> IBSSG >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- >> WILD, >> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >> >> --------------------------------- >> Fussy? 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We have a such an awful school system they need something like the Spanish immersion program to coax middle class kilds into the school. That and the outrageous price of private schools. They now want $23,000 for elementary school--the same school where I sent my kids for a thousand. Middle class kids have long avoided the Englewood public schools, but my daughter has 4 children--you do the math. Hence they are in the public schools taking odvantage of whatever they have to offer. Learning Spanish prevents total boredom, as they are all well ahead of grade level. (They started out homeschooled). Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:53:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch Barbara, You should live in California! They don't have "the money" for an English immersion program. Politics. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >I totally agree. The good thing about our Spanish immersion program is >that it is also an English immersion program. Instruction alternates weeks >as to the language in which it is conducted. As I said before, third >graders must pass the exams in both English and Spanish despite their >native language. AND in this part of the world, depsite my objections and >protests (certainly no one cares about my opinion), Spanish is necessary >for the conduct of most businesses. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "GWGEHoyt@aol.com" <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:16:27 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Friend-- > The business world that I lived in was only conducted in English. I was > the > international guy for my company and had lots of worldwide travel. All of > our > Purchase Orders and Contracts were written in English, no matter where in > the > world it originated. We may be putting our children who only speak > Spanish in > a deficit postion when it comes to many types of employment. > George > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That was before centralization I assume. Salt Point students now attend Arlington or Hyde Park according to boundaries. I had a 4H leader back in the fifties who told us she rode horseback to Poughkeepsie High from Poughquag in order to get a high school diploma back when she was a girl. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Hardly the boonies any more! I did a Dutchess COunty reminesences tour > recently, and was surprised at how grown up. I always thought Pleasant > Valley was far from Poughkeepsie, and now it is all one place! My parents > both granduated from Poughkeepsie High School, living in Salt Point. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:19:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Jeepers, I'm so glad I'm way up here in Upstate NY in the boonies.....sort > of the boonies anyway.....the farms are fast disappearing! > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M.E.Sorensen" <jsorensen4@cfl.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Same in Fl. M.E. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> Maureen: >>> >>> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will >>> be >>> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >>> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess >>> County. >>> My >>> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >>> granddaughter >>> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >>> major. >>> >>> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >>> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >>> school >>> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >>> many >>> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >>> my >>> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barbara de Mare" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>>> are >>>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English >>>> speakera >>>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>>> >>>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>>> 155 Polifly Road >>>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>>> (201) 567-9440 office >>>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Jan Miller >>>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>>> needed >>>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>>> Figure THAT one out! >>>> >>>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>>> >>>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>>> They >>>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>>> translating >>>> at >>>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>>> Jan >>>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of >>>>> my >>>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>>> grade >>>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. 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Korean???? We don't have more than a handful of Koeans up here....mostly doctors. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Spanish is actually taking a back seat to Korean around here. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:53:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Funny you should mention it today, Bill. > > I got an email this AM from a friend down near Dallas who said the same > thing......that his whole town is turning into a giant barrio. > > Maureen > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Maureen: >> >> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >> >> Bill >> >> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be >> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. >> My >> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >> granddaughter >> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >> major. >> >> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >> school >> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >> many >> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >> my >> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>> are >>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jan Miller >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>> needed >>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>> Figure THAT one out! >>> >>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>> >>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>> They >>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>> translating >>> at >>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>> Jan >>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>> grade >>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>>> why >>>> don't they do that these days. >>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>>> When one door closes another door opens >>>> Marilynn >>>> IBSSG >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- >> WILD, >> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >> >> --------------------------------- >> Fussy? 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My niece teaches 5th grade in Arlington School District....at the Beekman Elementary School. I wonder why little kids are so interested in learning Spanish. When Iwas in high school practically everyone groaned and complained because they had to have 2 yrs of Latin if continuing on to college or going into Nursing. I personally loved Latin and majored in it in college. Our school systems up here are mostly very good by today's standards but all would fall short of what I learned when I was in school way back when. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > The Spanish immersion program in which my grandchildren participate is not > "shoved down anyone's throat." There is great competition to get into the > prgram. All my grandchildren (4 of them) are accelerated, and a poor > school system is made tolerable by the fact that at least they are > learning fluent Spanish. The one who just finished first grade alternated > weeks of instruction--one week all in English, the next all in Spanish. > He entered the program at the last possible grade, as they moved in with > me last summer. After 1st grade it is closed to new students, so the the > 4th and 5th graders couldn't take it. However, I must repeat, > participation is highly competitive and no one is in the program whose > parents don't want them there. > > PS. My niece teaches Earth Science in Arlington > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:36:09 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > My youngest grandchild will be 12 next week and as far as I know has had > no > "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. > My > older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter > on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a > major. > > I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my > kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the > school > raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many > of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow > my > grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are >> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >> needed >> items in the 2007-2008 year. >> Figure THAT one out! >> >> "Both sides of mouth talking" >> >> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They >> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating >> at >> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>> grade >>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>> why >>> don't they do that these days. >>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>> When one door closes another door opens >>> Marilynn >>> IBSSG >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> >>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeepers, I'm so glad I'm way up here in Upstate NY in the boonies.....sort of the boonies anyway.....the farms are fast disappearing! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.E.Sorensen" <jsorensen4@cfl.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Same in Fl. M.E. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Maureen: >> >> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >> >> Bill >> >> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be >> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. >> My >> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >> granddaughter >> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >> major. >> >> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >> school >> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >> many >> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >> my >> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>> are >>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jan Miller >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>> needed >>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>> Figure THAT one out! >>> >>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>> >>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>> They >>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>> translating >>> at >>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>> Jan >>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>> grade >>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>>> why >>>> don't they do that these days. >>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>>> When one door closes another door opens >>>> Marilynn >>>> IBSSG >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- >> WILD, >> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >> >> --------------------------------- >> Fussy? 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Funny you should mention it today, Bill. I got an email this AM from a friend down near Dallas who said the same thing......that his whole town is turning into a giant barrio. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Maureen: > > You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. > > Bill > > quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be > 12 next week and as far as I know has had no > "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. > My > older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter > on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a > major. > > I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my > kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the > school > raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many > of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow > my > grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are >> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jan Miller >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >> needed >> items in the 2007-2008 year. >> Figure THAT one out! >> >> "Both sides of mouth talking" >> >> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They >> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating >> at >> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilynn Masten" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>> grade >>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>> why >>> don't they do that these days. >>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>> When one door closes another door opens >>> Marilynn >>> IBSSG >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, > DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) > (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? 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Same in Fl. M.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Maureen: > > You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. > > Bill > > quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be > 12 next week and as far as I know has had no > "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. > My > older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter > on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a > major. > > I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my > kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the > school > raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many > of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow > my > grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are >> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jan Miller >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >> needed >> items in the 2007-2008 year. >> Figure THAT one out! >> >> "Both sides of mouth talking" >> >> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They >> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating >> at >> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilynn Masten" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>> grade >>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>> why >>> don't they do that these days. >>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>> When one door closes another door opens >>> Marilynn >>> IBSSG >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, > DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) > (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? 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Bill, I just googled "Indenture Tripartite" and there are tons of stuff on them. Go take a look. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > Follow up on Indenture. > Although I have seen the word used in relation to land sale/deeds, I think > it would only be used relative to a mortgage, as a mortage is an agreement > between parties which would fit the dictionary defination of an indenture > ie: > > indenture >noun 1 a formal agreement, contract, or list, formerly one of > which copies with indented edges were made for the contracting parties. 2 > an agreement binding an apprentice to a master. 3 historical a contract > by which a person agreed to work for a set period for a colonial landowner > in exchange for passage to the colony. >verb chiefly historical bind by an > indenture. > -DERIVATIVES indentureship >noun. > > Although I guess executing a land transfer is also an agreement between > parties. We need a Lawyer on this one. > > BILL STAPLES > Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. > Website: www.wstaples.net > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those were the days when "a man's word was his bond" so maybe that helped. On the other hand there were scoundrels back then too. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture >A definate possibility. > > I was uncertain if it would be recorded but then thought 'If it was not > filrd or recorded how would it be enforced ? If one party's copy was lost > or > destroyed ? > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture > > >> Perhaps they were married in the bride's home county but planned to live >> in >> the groom's home county. >> >> Were indentured servant agreements recorded?? Perhaps private Indenture >> agreements were not recorded in those days. Land records are public and >> naturally would be publicly recorded. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:03 AM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture >> >> >>> Hi Pat, >>> >>> Will was written by John Staples, Amy's husband in 1803. >>> I was just trying to get a feel for what the Indenture might relate to. >>> I >>> know Indenture is used in land sales but this seemed like it might be >>> something else, as no land was mentioned. Nothing shows up (so far) in >>> the >>> Westchester Archives. It would seem strange that they were married on >>> the >>> same day but recorded the Indenture in another County. >>> >>> The Kniffin is another question. He certainly could be a relative >>> >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pat Wardell" <the.wardells@gte.net> >>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Indenture >>> >>> >>>> Bill -- you didn't give the name of the person who wrote the will and >>>> you didn't give the date of writing the will and of its probate. This >>>> information might help others to help you identify these folks. >>>> >>>> I believe an indenture is a deed, so it would most probably be filed >>>> with county land records, probably at the county courthouse. >>>> >>>> Here's another will that might possibly help -- >>>> >>>> In his will, dated 15 Feb 1792, probated 13 May 1805, John >>>> Kniffin, Senior, of Rye, devised to wife ----- the use of one third >>>> of lands [etc,] to revert to sons Elisha, John, Isaac, William, >>>> Hackaliah, and Nathan; mentioned son Caleb; all lands to be divided >>>> among the first mentioned six sons when Nathan, youngest son, arrived >>>> at age of 21; "When my daughters get married, I order the family if >>>> they are able to assist them to some things." Executors, son Elisha >>>> and friend Gilbert Brown of Rye. Wit., John Theale, Disbury Park, >>>> Thomas Mc Collum. (source: Bristol, Theresa Hall, "Abstracts of Wills >>>> Recorded at White Plains, Westchester County, New York, Subsequent to >>>> May 1, 1787, in New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Oct 1926 >>>> (Vol. 57, No. 4), p. 320 (Will of John Kniffin, Senior) >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>>>Need help. >>>>>I have a will that contains the following statement: 'I give, devise >>>>>and bequeath unto my beloved wife Amy one thousand dollars to be >>>>>paid to her by my Executors within one year after my decease, with >>>>>lawful interest from the time of my decease until paid in full >>>>>satisfaction & compliance with a certain Indenture Tripartite >>>>>bearing date the twenty second day of October one thousane seven >>>>>hundred ninety eight between the said wife Amy (then Amy Purdy)of >>>>>one part, myself of another part and Timothy Pardy and Isaac Kniffen >>>>>of the third part which legacy together with those herein bequeathed >>>>>and given to my said wife are the full Barr and lieu of all Dower >>>>>which she could or might claim to my estate'. >>>>>John and Amy were married in New Rochelle on the same date that the >>>>>Indenture was executed. Timothy Purdy was Amy's father. Isaac >>>>>Kniffin is a mystery. The Will goes on to leave control but not >>>>>title to a son John,Jr. I am trying to determine what this Indenture >>>>>contained . Does anyone know where a document like this would be >>>>>filed, assuming that such a document would be filed somewhere ? >>>>> >>>>>BILL STAPLES >>>>> >>>>>Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. >>>>>Website: www.wstaples.net >>>>>*************************************** >>>>>Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>>*************************************** >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pat & Walter Wardell >>>> Englewood, FL >>>> the.wardells@gte.net >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My youngest grandchild will be 12 next week and as far as I know has had no "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. My older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a major. I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the school raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow my grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are > in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade > state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. > Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera > in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. > It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I > resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to > discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue > "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! > Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for needed > items in the 2007-2008 year. > Figure THAT one out! > > "Both sides of mouth talking" > > There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They > learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating > at > home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >> grade >> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >> why >> don't they do that these days. >> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >> When one door closes another door opens >> Marilynn >> IBSSG >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I went to school it was never necessary to send anyone home because they didn't speak English. Even later on when the German girl I mentioned and her brother came over here they learned to speak English just fine. He was 6 yrs old and in a short time spoke English with NO accent. She was 15 and spoke with a very slight accent for a couple of years. Ay home they had to speak German, or Russian, or Polish all of which they had learned to speak fluently in Europe because their mother never learned a word of English and their father was not far behind. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >I grew up in Stamford CT. I had two friends that were sons of immigrants, > and could not speak English. They were sent home and the parents were > told to > have them learn English and come back next year. Both did and both became > successful in life. Why aren't we doing something like this today? > George > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, You should live in California! They don't have "the money" for an English immersion program. Politics. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >I totally agree. The good thing about our Spanish immersion program is >that it is also an English immersion program. Instruction alternates weeks >as to the language in which it is conducted. As I said before, third >graders must pass the exams in both English and Spanish despite their >native language. AND in this part of the world, depsite my objections and >protests (certainly no one cares about my opinion), Spanish is necessary >for the conduct of most businesses. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "GWGEHoyt@aol.com" <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:16:27 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Friend-- > The business world that I lived in was only conducted in English. I was > the > international guy for my company and had lots of worldwide travel. All of > our > Purchase Orders and Contracts were written in English, no matter where in > the > world it originated. We may be putting our children who only speak > Spanish in > a deficit postion when it comes to many types of employment. > George > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Friend-- The business world that I lived in was only conducted in English. I was the international guy for my company and had lots of worldwide travel. All of our Purchase Orders and Contracts were written in English, no matter where in the world it originated. We may be putting our children who only speak Spanish in a deficit postion when it comes to many types of employment. George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I totally agree. The good thing about our Spanish immersion program is that it is also an English immersion program. Instruction alternates weeks as to the language in which it is conducted. As I said before, third graders must pass the exams in both English and Spanish despite their native language. AND in this part of the world, depsite my objections and protests (certainly no one cares about my opinion), Spanish is necessary for the conduct of most businesses. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "GWGEHoyt@aol.com" <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:16:27 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch Friend-- The business world that I lived in was only conducted in English. I was the international guy for my company and had lots of worldwide travel. All of our Purchase Orders and Contracts were written in English, no matter where in the world it originated. We may be putting our children who only speak Spanish in a deficit postion when it comes to many types of employment. George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hardly the boonies any more! I did a Dutchess COunty reminesences tour recently, and was surprised at how grown up. I always thought Pleasant Valley was far from Poughkeepsie, and now it is all one place! My parents both granduated from Poughkeepsie High School, living in Salt Point. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:19:22 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch Jeepers, I'm so glad I'm way up here in Upstate NY in the boonies.....sort of the boonies anyway.....the farms are fast disappearing! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.E.Sorensen" <jsorensen4@cfl.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Same in Fl. M.E. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Maureen: >> >> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >> >> Bill >> >> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be >> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. >> My >> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >> granddaughter >> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >> major. >> >> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >> school >> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >> many >> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >> my >> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>> are >>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jan Miller >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>> needed >>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>> Figure THAT one out! >>> >>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>> >>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>> They >>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>> translating >>> at >>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>> Jan >>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>> grade >>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>>> why >>>> don't they do that these days. >>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>>> When one door closes another door opens >>>> Marilynn >>>> IBSSG >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- >> WILD, >> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >> >> --------------------------------- >> Fussy? 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Spanish is actually taking a back seat to Korean around here. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:53:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch Funny you should mention it today, Bill. I got an email this AM from a friend down near Dallas who said the same thing......that his whole town is turning into a giant barrio. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Maureen: > > You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. > > Bill > > quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will be > 12 next week and as far as I know has had no > "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. > My > older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter > on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a > major. > > I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my > kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the > school > raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many > of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow > my > grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are >> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera >> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jan Miller >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >> needed >> items in the 2007-2008 year. >> Figure THAT one out! >> >> "Both sides of mouth talking" >> >> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They >> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating >> at >> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilynn Masten" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>> grade >>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>> why >>> don't they do that these days. >>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>> When one door closes another door opens >>> Marilynn >>> IBSSG >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, > DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) > (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? 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The Spanish immersion program in which my grandchildren participate is not "shoved down anyone's throat." There is great competition to get into the prgram. All my grandchildren (4 of them) are accelerated, and a poor school system is made tolerable by the fact that at least they are learning fluent Spanish. The one who just finished first grade alternated weeks of instruction--one week all in English, the next all in Spanish. He entered the program at the last possible grade, as they moved in with me last summer. After 1st grade it is closed to new students, so the the 4th and 5th graders couldn't take it. However, I must repeat, participation is highly competitive and no one is in the program whose parents don't want them there. PS. My niece teaches Earth Science in Arlington Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:36:09 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch My youngest grandchild will be 12 next week and as far as I know has had no "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess County. My older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My granddaughter on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a major. I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the school raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So many of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow my grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) are > in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade > state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. > Although there are some native speakers, there are more English speakera > in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. > It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I > resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to > discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue > "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! > Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for needed > items in the 2007-2008 year. > Figure THAT one out! > > "Both sides of mouth talking" > > There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. They > learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by translating > at > home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of my >> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >> grade >> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >> why >> don't they do that these days. >> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >> When one door closes another door opens >> Marilynn >> IBSSG >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message