You should try old handwriting in German!? I'm doing German Church records from the early 1800s and they're making my eyes cross... Kathi IBSSG New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer New Jersey - Thompson/Early/Coyle/Hunter Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger -----Original Message----- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:04 am Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje You are absolutely right, George. Some of those old censuses have been a nightmare to decipher....and I haven't even scratched the surface with some of the old church books you mentioned. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > And just to add a little more to this Theodore name in the recent e-mails. > There is a Hoyt ancestor listed as Theodore Hoyt (in handwriting in an old > church book.) Imagine my surprise when one day I found out that Theodore > was a > female named Theodora !!! Handwriting can do us all in if we are not > careful. > George Hoyt > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

I've got an Ellen who was "Nellie".? An Irish lass. I think there were so many nicknames or pet names prior to 1900 because of old naming traditions that made for duplications within the same household. Otherwise, what would be the point of that grand Irish tradition of calling men named John, "Jack"? Or why bother with Harry for Henry?? I have a German cook book that talks about the naming tradition for girls.? In the writer's family, I believe it was either her mother or grandmother's family that ended up with 5 girls named Elizabeth so they all went by their middle name. Kathi IBSSG New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer New Jersey - Thompson/Early/Coyle/Hunter Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger -----Original Message----- From: Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:40 am Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje That's a new one. All my Ellen's, and I have 4, are simply Ellen. Unless yours happens to be MaryEllen????? See how often you see it mentioned/referred in other documents, letters, records.etc so it suggests a pattern. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "WS-GENEAL" <WS-GENEAL@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > This might be a good place to ask: anyone know a nick/pet name for Ellen ? > Couyld it be Marcy ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje > > >>I think Polly is a very English pet name for Mary >> >> Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Almost everyone in my >> genealogy class--including the instructor, since I >> began with this group 10 years ago-- has maintained Polly is a nick name >> or >> pet name for Mary. While I never could see the connection between "M" and >> "P", I accepted the more experienced explanation. Then I had a Joel Bacon >> marry a "Polly" Wheaton or Whitten in CT 1790 and found I had one, too! >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >> >> >>>I honestly never heard the name Polly used for Mary.....only for >>> Elizabeth.....Molly either for that matter. Mary was always Mame or >>> Mamie. >>> >>> I think it depended on the country of origin of the family. When I was >>> growing up I knew several Jewish women named Molly and it wasn't a pet >>> name >>> for Mary. Mamie was an Irish pet name. Then there was Dolly for >>> Dolores.....Polly, Molly and Dolly. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje >>> >>> >>>> My Great-Great-Grandmother was Mary (DeForest) Hoyt. Everyone knew her >>>> as >>>> Polly Hoyt. >>>> George Hoyt >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** >>>> Get a sneak peek of >>>> the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. 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While ramblings on Dutch language and culture may be relevant to thre board, it seems that the discussion has degenerated into a xenophobic discussion of other ethnic groups. The lack of assimilation by some ethnic groups will definitely change the cultural landscape of the United States. but is this an appropriate venue for discussion. It would seem that contact with your elected representatives would be more useful. My pedigree is quite diverse, Irish French, Canadien(Queebec), Iriquois, and Jewish. Tom Mc Hugh ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Westchester County Genealogical Society (NY) Upcoming Year This coming year, WCGS is celebrating their 25th Anniversary Year. The programs for this coming year will be very interesting – there is a wide mixture of subjects! The meetings will be held at the Aldersgate Methodist Church, 600 Broadway in Dobbs Ferry (across from Mercy College on route 9). However, the meeting in January 2008 will be held in Yonkers and the meeting in February 2008 will be in Yorktown Heights. Guests are always welcome. The meetings will be at 10am but refreshments and genealogical networking will start at 9:30am. For information about Westchester County Genealogical Society (Westchester Connection or Surname List), visit WCGS home page -- _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/) RESERVED THESE DATES FOR WCGS Future Meetings Sept 8, 2007 History of the Catholic Church in NY – 200th Anniversary Msgr. Thomas J. Shelley Ph.D. Oct 13, 2007 Researching Family Roots and DNA Elizabeth M. Macfarlane Nov 10, 2007 Crossing the Ocean with the Internet Leslie Huber Dec 8, 2007 Holiday Party – Special Interest Groups / Study Group Meeting Jan 12, 2008 Women of the House (Co-sponsored by Friends of Philipse Manor Hall) *** Meeting to take place at Philipse Manor Hall, 29 Warburton Ave, Yonkers Jean Zimmerman Feb 9, 2008 Identifying Photos from Costumes *** Meeting to take place at Yorktown Community& Cultural Center, 1974 Commerce Street, Yorktown Heights, 914-962-2970 Laura Lee Keating Mar 8, 2008 The Trail Our Ancestors Followed in Becoming Citizens Joseph Lieby Apr 12, 2008 Every Age Has a Story to Tell Peter Savigny from Heirloom Biography May 10, 2008 The Story of Sybil Ludington - American Revolutionary War Hero – the Female Paul Revere Vincent D'Aquino June 14, 2008 An Object of Great Importance: The Hudson River During the American War for Independence Christopher DiPasquale ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Yes! I have also read that P. Phil has been known to call her Betty but that was years ago and may or may not have been true. Judy -----Original Message----- From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of quillpen1 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:10 PM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje - nicknames Isn't the preasent Queen Elizabeth's nickname Lilibet?? I think Diamond Lil was named Lillian. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy McMillan" <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje - nicknames >I have family members who I was researching and everyone knew as Aunt "Lil" >who is Elizabeth(news to them) and an Aunt "Girlie" who was Marion. > > Joy > > quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: > I remember that from childhood too, Carol. We had a neighbor named > Elizabeth > and she was always called Bessie or Bess. > > Remember that Queen of England centuries ago called "Queen Bess"?? Her > real > name was Elizabeth. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje - nicknames > > >> Your are right, my husband's grandmother was "Elizabeth Taylor" Heap, and >> she was always called Bessie, don't hear that name much anymore >> >> Thanks, >> Carol L. Heap >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Isn't the preasent Queen Elizabeth's nickname Lilibet?? I think Diamond Lil was named Lillian. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy McMillan" <joygrl_203@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje - nicknames >I have family members who I was researching and everyone knew as Aunt "Lil" >who is Elizabeth(news to them) and an Aunt "Girlie" who was Marion. > > Joy > > quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: > I remember that from childhood too, Carol. We had a neighbor named > Elizabeth > and she was always called Bessie or Bess. > > Remember that Queen of England centuries ago called "Queen Bess"?? Her > real > name was Elizabeth. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje - nicknames > > >> Your are right, my husband's grandmother was "Elizabeth Taylor" Heap, and >> she was always called Bessie, don't hear that name much anymore >> >> Thanks, >> Carol L. Heap >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My friend speaks Hindi when she is at home in India. As far as I know the US does not have an officially appointed language ....although numerous people are pushing for it. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > English is the official language of India. It is also the official > language of the Phillipines. But it is not the offical language of the > USA. Figure that one out. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:40:44 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Most of our gas stations and Mini-Marts, etc.are owned by Pakistanis. > They > all speak English ;otherwise they would get no business.None of us locals > speak Arabic dialects and don't intend to learn.LOL. > > Most of the cab companies are being taken over by Jamaicans (the few guys > that aren't drug dealers). They are operating on a shoestring and work > their > tails off. They all speak English too or would get no business, although > they speak Spanish among themselves. > > We have a small legal Mexican population.....families mostly. They too > work > very hard and expect no favors from the locals....and that includes > learning > English so they can get jobs and navigate stores etc. We also must have a > fair number of illegal Mexicans here too like elsewhere but they are > surely > not advertising their status nor calling attention to themselves by making > demands. > > All of our "foreign" doctors learned English in their country of > origin....some with heavy accents, of course. So too for the IBMers > brought > over to the area IBM plants. I have several friends fron India who learned > "English immersion" in their own country in elementary school. One close > friend (Master's educated) says EVERYBODY who is educated ar all is > expected > to speak fluent English. She speaks English with a British accent for she > was taught by Brit teachers in India. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Down here the municipalities had to pass ordinances that all businesses >> have a sign in English so that the police and foreman can find the right >> places. The old Mom-and-Pop businesses are all Korean owned now--delis, >> gas stations, nail places of course, etc., etc. The supermarkets closest >> to me which ever way I go are Korean. The old Jewish Community Center >> and >> the biggest synagogue are now Korean churches. One has a small sign >> Sunday 1 PM English service, the other Sunday 1 PM Spanish service. Then >> of course there are all the doctors, etc. More and more professional >> buildings by the hospital are Korean, Chinese or Japanese. We truly are >> multicultural. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:55:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> Korean???? >> >> We don't have more than a handful of Koeans up here....mostly doctors. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> Spanish is actually taking a back seat to Korean around here. >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> >>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:53:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> Funny you should mention it today, Bill. >>> >>> I got an email this AM from a friend down near Dallas who said the same >>> thing......that his whole town is turning into a giant barrio. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> >>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> Maureen: >>>> >>>> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over >>>> everything. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will >>>> be >>>> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >>>> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess >>>> County. >>>> My >>>> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >>>> granddaughter >>>> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >>>> major. >>>> >>>> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >>>> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >>>> school >>>> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >>>> many >>>> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not >>>> allow >>>> my >>>> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >>>> >>>> Maureen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Barbara de Mare" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>>>> are >>>>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third >>>>> grade >>>>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>>>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English >>>>> speakera >>>>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is >>>>> which. >>>>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>>>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>>>> >>>>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>>>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>>>> 155 Polifly Road >>>>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>>>> (201) 567-9440 office >>>>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>>>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Jan Miller >>>>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>>> >>>>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>>>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to >>>>> continue >>>>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>>>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>>>> needed >>>>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>>>> Figure THAT one out! >>>>> >>>>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>>>> >>>>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>>>> They >>>>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>>>> translating >>>>> at >>>>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>>>> Jan >>>>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of >>>>>> my >>>>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>>>> grade >>>>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. >>>>>> Yes, >>>>>> why >>>>>> don't they do that these days. >>>>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>>>>> When one door closes another door opens >>>>>> Marilynn >>>>>> IBSSG >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>>>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *************************************** >>>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>>> *************************************** >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- >>>> WILD, >>>> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >>>> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> Fussy? 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Just a reminder that the purpose of this list is to discuss genealogy relating to Westchester county in New York state. So, folks, the discussions found under the subject of "Dutch Ramblinges" or "Ramblings about Dutch" are no longer a topic for this list. If you want to discuss the political situation in America, then please go to those lists which specialize in that subject. Let's get back to genealogy which is why we all came here. NY Westchester Mailing List Administrator http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html

I would think we would be able to discuss the Dutch ramblings subject on a mailing list concerning American History. In looking at mailing lists, there are all sorts for specific periods, but none for general Amer. History. Could we start one? Sue

Hooray! Well said. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NY West Admin" <nywestgen@gmail.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] NO MORE Dutch Ramblings > Just a reminder that the purpose of this list is to discuss genealogy > relating to Westchester county in New York state. > > So, folks, the discussions found under the subject of "Dutch Ramblinges" > or > "Ramblings about Dutch" are no longer a topic for this list. If you want > to > discuss the political situation in America, then please go to those lists > which specialize in that subject. > > Let's get back to genealogy which is why we all came here. > > NY Westchester Mailing List Administrator > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/NY/westchester.html > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara- I know some children do. But the majority don't. I only have step grandchildren and don't have much input. I give them books every year, even though they don't want them, hoping that eventually they will get the point. You are lucky to have that opportunity. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dutch Ramblings > There are still some book-oriented children, Sue. My grandchildren are > among them. If they see adults reading, they are more apt to read. > Plus--that is the only legal excuse to stay up late. They devour books. > This mean grandma only allows educational TV and insists on at least a > book a week, depending on the size. Last week I was assigning the 7 year > old a book a day. Every night when I came home he had read what I told > him to--much to my shock! But he loves studying geography, so to get me > to teach him, he reads the stuff I tell him to read. > > My daughter homeschooled until each child had a firm foundation ijn > reading in math--about 2nd grade. The younger ones were homeschooled > less, but read earlier as they had learned when their older siblings were > being taught. Once they read well, they can learn anything else. Now my > daughter says she has given her children their foundations, and she has > gone back to school. Actually, my children are 34 ans almost 38, and both > are in graduate school. My son should finish his Ph. D. by June, and my > daughter just started an M.S.-MBA program run jointly by UMDNJ and > Rutgers. She just finished her B.S. with a 3.8 cum while rasing 4 > children. She tells anyone who will listen not to be satupid like her, > and go through college when you are supposed to. > > Now I am rambling--sorry. > > barbara > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:04:42 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dutch Ramblings > > I bet those of us who love to do family research can find ways to use it > to interest young people in history, geography, culture, language, etc. I > had a lousy experience with history classes in school, but doing family > history has sparked my interest. There are lots of ways to do this, but it > isn't easy unless you live in a culture that respects these things. Even > if a minority of us are able to do something about the situation, that is > very important. Since most children arent book oriented, then good > historical vidoes or visual media can be helpful to start them on the > right track. At least we can leave a good legacy as an example. > > I live in the West, but grew up in a small town near NYC ( Old Greenwich, > Conn.). I lived on that coast most of my life, and there is so much > historical there to see, that that is another way- family trips to see > these things. > > About the Spanish problem- the only way to change the problem is to change > laws, and it seems that it has become a precident. When something becomes > a precident, it is hard to fight that. So maybe you have to work with > individual children caught in this situation, I don't know. I heard a > lawyer lecture and say that the best way to destroy the Constitution is to > hav the UN make a precident, and then all other nations follow through on > adopting that. We are in difficult times, but there must be some > solutions. Sue > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have family members who I was researching and everyone knew as Aunt "Lil" who is Elizabeth(news to them) and an Aunt "Girlie" who was Marion. Joy quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: I remember that from childhood too, Carol. We had a neighbor named Elizabeth and she was always called Bessie or Bess. Remember that Queen of England centuries ago called "Queen Bess"?? Her real name was Elizabeth. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dirckje - nicknames > Your are right, my husband's grandmother was "Elizabeth Taylor" Heap, and > she was always called Bessie, don't hear that name much anymore > > Thanks, > Carol L. Heap > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.

Sue-- This got interesting. I also lived in Japan for 3-1/2 years in the 1958-1962 time period. I was in the USAF and we lived 11 NW of Tokyo in Grant Heights Military Housing Annex. I didn't learn too much Japanese, but what I did learn, I still remember quite well. In my second career, I was back over there a lot on two and three day business trips. Tho Japanese that I learned many years ago still got me around. I am one of those Americans who doesn't live in Tokyo, but can still get around on the trains system unaided. When I was there in 1988, there was a paperbook entitled "Tokyo Survival Guide." It was interesting because if still reflected the situation of many years earlier. George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

English is the official language of India. It is also the official language of the Phillipines. But it is not the offical language of the USA. Figure that one out. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:40:44 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch Most of our gas stations and Mini-Marts, etc.are owned by Pakistanis. They all speak English ;otherwise they would get no business.None of us locals speak Arabic dialects and don't intend to learn.LOL. Most of the cab companies are being taken over by Jamaicans (the few guys that aren't drug dealers). They are operating on a shoestring and work their tails off. They all speak English too or would get no business, although they speak Spanish among themselves. We have a small legal Mexican population.....families mostly. They too work very hard and expect no favors from the locals....and that includes learning English so they can get jobs and navigate stores etc. We also must have a fair number of illegal Mexicans here too like elsewhere but they are surely not advertising their status nor calling attention to themselves by making demands. All of our "foreign" doctors learned English in their country of origin....some with heavy accents, of course. So too for the IBMers brought over to the area IBM plants. I have several friends fron India who learned "English immersion" in their own country in elementary school. One close friend (Master's educated) says EVERYBODY who is educated ar all is expected to speak fluent English. She speaks English with a British accent for she was taught by Brit teachers in India. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Down here the municipalities had to pass ordinances that all businesses > have a sign in English so that the police and foreman can find the right > places. The old Mom-and-Pop businesses are all Korean owned now--delis, > gas stations, nail places of course, etc., etc. The supermarkets closest > to me which ever way I go are Korean. The old Jewish Community Center and > the biggest synagogue are now Korean churches. One has a small sign > Sunday 1 PM English service, the other Sunday 1 PM Spanish service. Then > of course there are all the doctors, etc. More and more professional > buildings by the hospital are Korean, Chinese or Japanese. We truly are > multicultural. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:55:27 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > Korean???? > > We don't have more than a handful of Koeans up here....mostly doctors. > > Maureen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> Spanish is actually taking a back seat to Korean around here. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:53:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> Funny you should mention it today, Bill. >> >> I got an email this AM from a friend down near Dallas who said the same >> thing......that his whole town is turning into a giant barrio. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >> >> >>> Maureen: >>> >>> You should be down here in Texas, they are taking over everything. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> wrote: My youngest grandchild will >>> be >>> 12 next week and as far as I know has had no >>> "Spanish immersion" in Arlington School District here in Dutchess >>> County. >>> My >>> older grandson had none either in Hyde Park or Arlington. My >>> granddaughter >>> on the other hand speaks fluent Spanish because she took Spanish as a >>> major. >>> >>> I too would resent having Spanish or any other subject shoved down my >>> kindergartener's throat .....but then again I would have been at the >>> school >>> raising Hell......as a taxpayer I have the right to open my mouth. So >>> many >>> of today's parents are such sheep...except for my son who does not allow >>> my >>> grandson to be pushed around by adults.....in school or out. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barbara de Mare" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>> >>> >>>> My youngest grandchildren--Pre-K and 1st grade (going into G and 2nd) >>>> are >>>> in a full Spanish immersion program. They have to take the third grade >>>> state-wide tests in both English and Spanish and pass both to stay in. >>>> Although there are some native speakers, there are more English >>>> speakera >>>> in the program. Supposedly by 3rd grade you can't tell which is which. >>>> It is certainly good for teaching our kids Spanish which, as much as I >>>> resent it, is a necessity in today's business world. >>>> >>>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>>> 155 Polifly Road >>>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>>> (201) 567-9440 office >>>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Jan Miller >>>> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> Out here in Burlingame, last month school officials were delighted to >>>> discover $100,000. "extra" in the school budget to be able to continue >>>> "Immersion" classes in Spanish for KINDERGARTN AND 1ST GRADES! >>>> Two pages later there was an article about needing a Bond issue for >>>> needed >>>> items in the 2007-2008 year. >>>> Figure THAT one out! >>>> >>>> "Both sides of mouth talking" >>>> >>>> There were a lot of Italian immigrants whose kids came to my school. >>>> They >>>> learned rapidly, we gave them help and they could practice by >>>> translating >>>> at >>>> home to mama and papa. Worked really well and pretty fast, too!. >>>> Jan >>>> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Marilynn Masten" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>> >>>> >>>>> When I started school, in 1926, (yes, they had schools then) many of >>>>> my >>>>> schoolmates could barely speak English in Kindergarten, but by first >>>>> grade >>>>> they spoke English as well as we did. How? By playing with us. Yes, >>>>> why >>>>> don't they do that these days. >>>>> Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras >>>>> When one door closes another door opens >>>>> Marilynn >>>>> IBSSG >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>>>> It has removed 3945 spam emails to date. >>>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- >>> WILD, >>> DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) >>> (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Fussy? 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We were more sophisticated than that, George. We had fountain pens which sometimes malfunctioned and got ink all over us. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > In my school, we started using ink in the third grade. It was a scratch > pen, > and the ink came from dipping in the ink well. Ahhhhhh...nostalgia is > great. > George > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are still some book-oriented children, Sue. My grandchildren are among them. If they see adults reading, they are more apt to read. Plus--that is the only legal excuse to stay up late. They devour books. This mean grandma only allows educational TV and insists on at least a book a week, depending on the size. Last week I was assigning the 7 year old a book a day. Every night when I came home he had read what I told him to--much to my shock! But he loves studying geography, so to get me to teach him, he reads the stuff I tell him to read. My daughter homeschooled until each child had a firm foundation ijn reading in math--about 2nd grade. The younger ones were homeschooled less, but read earlier as they had learned when their older siblings were being taught. Once they read well, they can learn anything else. Now my daughter says she has given her children their foundations, and she has gone back to school. Actually, my children are 34 ans almost 38, and both are in graduate school. My son should finish his Ph. D. by June, and my daughter just started an M.S.-MBA program run jointly by UMDNJ and Rutgers. She just finished her B.S. with a 3.8 cum while rasing 4 children. She tells anyone who will listen not to be satupid like her, and go through college when you are supposed to. Now I am rambling--sorry. barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:04:42 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dutch Ramblings I bet those of us who love to do family research can find ways to use it to interest young people in history, geography, culture, language, etc. I had a lousy experience with history classes in school, but doing family history has sparked my interest. There are lots of ways to do this, but it isn't easy unless you live in a culture that respects these things. Even if a minority of us are able to do something about the situation, that is very important. Since most children arent book oriented, then good historical vidoes or visual media can be helpful to start them on the right track. At least we can leave a good legacy as an example. I live in the West, but grew up in a small town near NYC ( Old Greenwich, Conn.). I lived on that coast most of my life, and there is so much historical there to see, that that is another way- family trips to see these things. About the Spanish problem- the only way to change the problem is to change laws, and it seems that it has become a precident. When something becomes a precident, it is hard to fight that. So maybe you have to work with individual children caught in this situation, I don't know. I heard a lawyer lecture and say that the best way to destroy the Constitution is to hav the UN make a precident, and then all other nations follow through on adopting that. We are in difficult times, but there must be some solutions. Sue *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I need to go out and do errands, but wanted to make one more comment. I guess I am unwinding from a workshop of classes I just attended from a week. The discussion is so interesing, but I have participated too much, maybe. I recently visited NYC to reseach. No one in the stores could speak English to me. It was like when I lived in Belgium and Japan, but this was in America. In Begium I relearned French, but I could never learn all of the languages now spoken in NYC and other major cities. Each year when we returned for our vacation ( we were gone ten years in Belgium and Japan), I heard more and more foreign languages in the supermarkets. It was amazing to see the change each year. Sue

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Bill- I lived in Japan for four years. You can talk to an English speaking Japanese person for a long time and suddenly realize that they don't know what you have said. Their culture is to always agree, which means- "keep talking," not -"I understand you." I loved living there, and had a lot of really funny experiences because of this problem. But they really do want to learn English, and the problem is that English and Japanese have absolutely nothing in common, which makes it really difficult. I love my Japanese friends and once you have one, you have one for ever. The funniest book I used to own was called "Gems of Japanized English." I wish I had it still, as I would laugh so hard reading it that I would hurt all over. They are a fun people and love anything American. Bet you had a great time there. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > Hi List: > > I was stationed in Northern Japan in the late 1960's. We lived off > base right below the Japanese High School. There were 4 Japanese high > school girls that used to come twice a week to talk to my wife. They would > just talk about every day things. In Japan they have to be able to speak > conversational English in order to go to college. They learned text book > English in school. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > > > > Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, > DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) > (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). > > --------------------------------- > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I remember in either elementary or junior high, a German girl who came and showed us her writing practice book. Do you remember when we had those- I forget what they were called. It was exquisite. Not only was the writing impecable, but the borders she had created were lovely. What have we lost? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > We were more sophisticated than that, George. We had fountain pens which > sometimes malfunctioned and got ink all over us. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ramblings about Dutch > > >> In my school, we started using ink in the third grade. It was a scratch >> pen, >> and the ink came from dipping in the ink well. Ahhhhhh...nostalgia is >> great. >> George >> >> >> ************************************** >> Get a sneak peek of the >> all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >