Barbara, I'm with you. I'd also like to know why my ancestor Ebenezer SAVAGE left Middletown, Ct for Lanesboro, in Berkshire before the Revolution. His son, Hiel SAVAGE, served from there and then removed to Saratoga County after the Revolution. Hiel married Hannah Wyatt from Westchester and lived in Saratoga, and I also want to find out how they met up. Barbara McC ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

There were Nagles in Rockland County, which used to be part of Orange County. Here's a list of those who married in the early days of the Tappan church. The baptisms are available at the back of Cole's History of Rockland County and in separate publications. Hope this helps. 795 Jan Nagel of Tappan [widower] Lenah Nagel of York Island September 23, 1754 [betrothed] 796 Jan [John] Nagel of Tappan Cornelia Aaryanse of Tappan November 11, 1791 [married] 797 Issac Nagel of Tappan, widower Lenah Poulense [Leah Poulouse] of Tappan March 28, 1793 [married] 798 (ok) Jan D. Nagel of Tappan Sarah Mabie of Tappan October 21, 1796 [married] 799 (ok) Gerrit Nagle of Tappan Elizabeth De Grauw of Tappan November 10, 1798 [married] 800 (ok) Barent J. Nagle of Tappan Maria Westervelt of Tappan, widow of Jacob Ferdon June 9, 1799 [married] 801 (ok) Hendrick Nagle of Tappan Catrina Quackenboss of Tappan December 6, 1800 [married] These appear on my Dutch Door website. Regina Haring http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >I have been searching the net, for days, for the descendants of the >original > Nagle/Nagel family in Westchester, but I ain't havin no luck t'at t'all- > there is alot of confusing information on the net. You would think i would > be able to find Cornelius Nagle/Nagel, as he isnt that far distant from > the > originals, but anyone that lists him doesn't have his ancestors, and > anyone > that lists Jan Nagel, doesn't list him in their descendancy. Have looked > at > all kinds of stuff and I think I am giving up for now. Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > >> Yes, the Hessains were mercenaries hired by King George to help England >> fight against the colonists during the American Revolution. Some of them >> never went back to Europe but stayed in America after the war. Others >> went >> to Canada with the Loyalists. Most returned home. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >> >> >>>I know about Hesse, and was wondering if it was that state and if they >>> fought here- thanks, Sue >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "mbacon3" <mbacon3@cfl.rr.com> >>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>> >>> >>>> Sue >>>> I am not Rick but thought I'd stick my 2 cents in. Unless the reference >>>> was >>>> to a family Hess was one of the independent German states. These states >>>> had >>>> well trained armies which they hired out and thus paid their state >>>> expenses >>>> and cost of the troops. During our Revolution the English hired many of >>>> these Hessian troops to fight us because their troops were needed >>>> elsewhere >>>> or it was cheaper than raising their own and training and equipping >>>> them >>>> to >>>> fight us. This allowed the English to fight wars without the cost of >>>> raising, maintaining or getting rid of troops after the was over. Ghee >>>> I >>>> wonder if there are those that wish that could be done now! >>>> Marty Bacon >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:02 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians >>>> were? >>>>> Sue >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>>>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History >>>>> > Mag. >>>> that >>>>> > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > From: <RickVT@aol.com> >>>>> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Sue, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> You may want to try this link: >>>>> >> >>>> _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%2 >>>> 2+nagle&as_brr=1_ >>>>> >> >>>> (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+na >>>> gle&as_brr=1) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its >>>>> >> location >>>>> >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles >>>>> >> if >>>> you >>>>> >> use the >>>>> >> "search in this book" feature to the right. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -Rick >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage >>>>> >> >>>> _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ >>>>> >> >>>> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>> >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to >>>>> >> figure >>>>> >> out >>>>> >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> original >>>>> >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house >>>> called >>>>> >> The >>>>> >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris home. >>>>> >> If >>>>> >> anyone >>>>> >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. >>>>> >> Sue >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the >>>>> >> all-new >>>>> >> AOL >>>>> >> at >>>>> >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>>> >> *************************************** >>>>> >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> >> *************************************** >>>>> >> ------------------------------- >>>>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > *************************************** >>>>> > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> > *************************************** >>>>> > ------------------------------- >>>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> > the >>>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/966 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 > 9:05 AM > >

Sue, How far back have you gotten from your most recent Nagle? Where were they located, born and died? No one finds everything they need on the Internet. Judy Wolf ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I belong to the Berkshire list, and have gone up a couple of times looking around. The last time was in June. Southern Berkshire is now almost all state forest. The population is less than it was in 1800, when it was all farmers. Trying to follow the roads to get to where my ancestors lived we ended up on dead end dirt roads. Even the ones which not supposed to be dead end were, as they were uncared for and washed out. You could tell by the age of the trees that it used to be farm land, but no more. My ancestors had land on Simons Pond, now Lake Marguerite on the maps. No matter how hard we tried, we coudln't get there. The time before when I went was the beginning of August. Both times were beautiful. I have no free weekends until one in mid-October. I should try to go then, when the leaves are turning. Probably by then, however, I will not want to get out of bed all weekend! Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "WOLF6PACK@aol.com" <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:25:16 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Removing from New London to Berkshires In a message dated 8/28/2007 7:56:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Urksacre@aol.com writes: why my ancestor Ebenezer SAVAGE left Middletown, Ct for Lanesboro, in Berkshire before the Revolution. You could try subscribing to the Berkshire list and asking them, they might know. Many times one person or family got the wanderlust, other family members followed, sometimes groups of families for the same town would up and leave together. I guess there was safety in numbers. Look and see what industries up there might be have drawn them to go to that region. _http://www.rootsweb.com/~maberksh/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~maberksh/) there is a researcher in Lanesborough for Savage. If you can ever have a chance The Berskshires is great place for an Autumn vacation. There is also a NARA in Pittsfield and a wonderful library in Pittsfield too. The folks at that NARA are the nicest people. I'll be up there in 2 weeks, but on a garden tour, I doubt if they would have the answers you need there! Judy Wolf ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very interesting, Barbara. I will have to track that one on a map--I only know the location of Saratoga. Do you know what there religion was? Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "Urksacre@aol.com" <Urksacre@aol.com> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:55:20 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Removing from New London to Berkshires Barbara, I'm with you. I'd also like to know why my ancestor Ebenezer SAVAGE left Middletown, Ct for Lanesboro, in Berkshire before the Revolution. His son, Hiel SAVAGE, served from there and then removed to Saratoga County after the Revolution. Hiel married Hannah Wyatt from Westchester and lived in Saratoga, and I also want to find out how they met up. Barbara McC ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Garrit Nagel- this is interesting, as the only family I can find that might be Catherine Nagles family- the father's name is Ganet and a brother is Garret- from Ireland. I will look at this later, as have to do an errand. Thanks, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Haring" <rmharing@att.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > There were Nagles in Rockland County, which used to be part of Orange > County. > > Here's a list of those who married in the early days of the Tappan church. > The baptisms are available at the back of Cole's History of Rockland > County > and in separate publications. Hope this helps. > > 795 > Jan Nagel of Tappan [widower] > Lenah Nagel of York Island > September 23, 1754 [betrothed] > > 796 > Jan [John] Nagel of Tappan > Cornelia Aaryanse of Tappan > November 11, 1791 [married] > > 797 > Issac Nagel of Tappan, widower > Lenah Poulense [Leah Poulouse] of Tappan > March 28, 1793 [married] > > 798 (ok) > Jan D. Nagel of Tappan > Sarah Mabie of Tappan > October 21, 1796 [married] > > 799 (ok) > Gerrit Nagle of Tappan > Elizabeth De Grauw of Tappan > November 10, 1798 [married] > > 800 (ok) > Barent J. Nagle of Tappan > Maria Westervelt of Tappan, widow of Jacob Ferdon > June 9, 1799 [married] > > 801 (ok) > Hendrick Nagle of Tappan > Catrina Quackenboss of Tappan > December 6, 1800 [married] > > These appear on my Dutch Door website. > > Regina Haring > http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > >>I have been searching the net, for days, for the descendants of the >>original >> Nagle/Nagel family in Westchester, but I ain't havin no luck t'at t'all- >> there is alot of confusing information on the net. You would think i >> would >> be able to find Cornelius Nagle/Nagel, as he isnt that far distant from >> the >> originals, but anyone that lists him doesn't have his ancestors, and >> anyone >> that lists Jan Nagel, doesn't list him in their descendancy. Have looked >> at >> all kinds of stuff and I think I am giving up for now. Sue >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >> >> >>> Yes, the Hessains were mercenaries hired by King George to help England >>> fight against the colonists during the American Revolution. Some of them >>> never went back to Europe but stayed in America after the war. Others >>> went >>> to Canada with the Loyalists. Most returned home. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>> >>> >>>>I know about Hesse, and was wondering if it was that state and if they >>>> fought here- thanks, Sue >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "mbacon3" <mbacon3@cfl.rr.com> >>>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:41 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sue >>>>> I am not Rick but thought I'd stick my 2 cents in. Unless the >>>>> reference >>>>> was >>>>> to a family Hess was one of the independent German states. These >>>>> states >>>>> had >>>>> well trained armies which they hired out and thus paid their state >>>>> expenses >>>>> and cost of the troops. During our Revolution the English hired many >>>>> of >>>>> these Hessian troops to fight us because their troops were needed >>>>> elsewhere >>>>> or it was cheaper than raising their own and training and equipping >>>>> them >>>>> to >>>>> fight us. This allowed the English to fight wars without the cost of >>>>> raising, maintaining or getting rid of troops after the was over. Ghee >>>>> I >>>>> wonder if there are those that wish that could be done now! >>>>> Marty Bacon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>>>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:02 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians >>>>> were? >>>>>> Sue >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>>>>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History >>>>>> > Mag. >>>>> that >>>>>> > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue >>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > From: <RickVT@aol.com> >>>>>> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Sue, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> You may want to try this link: >>>>>> >> >>>>> _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%2 >>>>> 2+nagle&as_brr=1_ >>>>>> >> >>>>> (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+na >>>>> gle&as_brr=1) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its >>>>>> >> location >>>>>> >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles >>>>>> >> if >>>>> you >>>>>> >> use the >>>>>> >> "search in this book" feature to the right. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -Rick >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage >>>>>> >> >>>>> _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ >>>>>> >> >>>>> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>>> >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to >>>>>> >> figure >>>>>> >> out >>>>>> >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> original >>>>>> >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house >>>>> called >>>>>> >> The >>>>>> >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris >>>>>> >> home. >>>>>> >> If >>>>>> >> anyone >>>>>> >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. >>>>>> >> Sue >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the >>>>>> >> all-new >>>>>> >> AOL >>>>>> >> at >>>>>> >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>>>> >> *************************************** >>>>>> >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>>> >> *************************************** >>>>>> >> ------------------------------- >>>>>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > *************************************** >>>>>> > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>>> > *************************************** >>>>>> > ------------------------------- >>>>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> > the >>>>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *************************************** >>>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>>> *************************************** >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/966 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 >> 9:05 AM >> >> > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, I found Cornelius Nagle, who married Catherine A G Leggett, by accident a few weeks ago, in the city dirrectory. It just turns out that he had a law office next to my g g grandfather, Shubael Swain's law office. SES's sister married a Leggett. SES married a Catherine Nagle from Ireland. Putting together that and alot of other things, it seems situationally logical that Shubael Edgar would have met Catherine through Cornelius. But she came over from Ireland and he was born in Westchester, and practiced in NYC and lived in Brooklyn, where SES's sister lived, along with some other Swains. See the logic and the problem. I can only find Cornelius on one census record and his two daughters on the next. Since he was born in 1797, that makes it hard to find parents. I tried looking today to see if I could figure it out but didn't. I read alot about the Nagles/Nagels who were first in the area of Westchester- original land owners with the Dykmans. lots of info. I can't seem to go foward or backwards to find Cornelius. It really puzzles me. In my Swain family the Swains and Leggetts are all mixed up and they came from Westchester, also, and lived in Brooklyn. I suppose that even though they are from diff countries- the Netherlands and Ireland, they could be related- but how to prove it, without going on a wild goose chase and wasting my time is a problem as I am involved in a big research project. I need to go back on Catherine Nagle and have only found one possibility for her on the 1850 census, but am not sure, as her father vanishes into thin air and isn't even in a city directory. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > Sue, > > How far back have you gotten from your most recent Nagle? Where were they > located, born and died? No one finds everything they need on the > Internet. > > Judy Wolf > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, the Hessains were mercenaries hired by King George to help England fight against the colonists during the American Revolution. Some of them never went back to Europe but stayed in America after the war. Others went to Canada with the Loyalists. Most returned home. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >I know about Hesse, and was wondering if it was that state and if they > fought here- thanks, Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mbacon3" <mbacon3@cfl.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > >> Sue >> I am not Rick but thought I'd stick my 2 cents in. Unless the reference >> was >> to a family Hess was one of the independent German states. These states >> had >> well trained armies which they hired out and thus paid their state >> expenses >> and cost of the troops. During our Revolution the English hired many of >> these Hessian troops to fight us because their troops were needed >> elsewhere >> or it was cheaper than raising their own and training and equipping them >> to >> fight us. This allowed the English to fight wars without the cost of >> raising, maintaining or getting rid of troops after the was over. Ghee I >> wonder if there are those that wish that could be done now! >> Marty Bacon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >> >> >>> Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians >> were? >>> Sue >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>> >>> >>> > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History Mag. >> that >>> > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: <RickVT@aol.com> >>> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Sue, >>> >> >>> >> You may want to try this link: >>> >> >> _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%2 >> 2+nagle&as_brr=1_ >>> >> >> (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+na >> gle&as_brr=1) >>> >> >>> >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its >>> >> location >>> >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles if >> you >>> >> use the >>> >> "search in this book" feature to the right. >>> >> >>> >> -Rick >>> >> >>> >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage >>> >> >> _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ >>> >> >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>> >> >>> >> >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>> >> >>> >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: >>> >> >>> >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to >>> >> figure >>> >> out >>> >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were the >>> >> original >>> >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house >> called >>> >> The >>> >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris home. >>> >> If >>> >> anyone >>> >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. Sue >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the >>> >> all-new >>> >> AOL >>> >> at >>> >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>> >> *************************************** >>> >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> >> *************************************** >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > *************************************** >>> > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> > *************************************** >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue- "I know about Hesse, and was wondering if it was that state and if they fought here- thanks, Sue" The Hessins were in Westchester, they used St. Paul's Church in Mt. Veron as a hospital at one point. Very lovely church if you get to visit, we were there in May, my Husband's side has some Fowlers & Drakes buried there. it is now a Federal Park Thanks, Carol L. Heap

I have been searching the net, for days, for the descendants of the original Nagle/Nagel family in Westchester, but I ain't havin no luck t'at t'all- there is alot of confusing information on the net. You would think i would be able to find Cornelius Nagle/Nagel, as he isnt that far distant from the originals, but anyone that lists him doesn't have his ancestors, and anyone that lists Jan Nagel, doesn't list him in their descendancy. Have looked at all kinds of stuff and I think I am giving up for now. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > Yes, the Hessains were mercenaries hired by King George to help England > fight against the colonists during the American Revolution. Some of them > never went back to Europe but stayed in America after the war. Others went > to Canada with the Loyalists. Most returned home. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > >>I know about Hesse, and was wondering if it was that state and if they >> fought here- thanks, Sue >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mbacon3" <mbacon3@cfl.rr.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >> >> >>> Sue >>> I am not Rick but thought I'd stick my 2 cents in. Unless the reference >>> was >>> to a family Hess was one of the independent German states. These states >>> had >>> well trained armies which they hired out and thus paid their state >>> expenses >>> and cost of the troops. During our Revolution the English hired many of >>> these Hessian troops to fight us because their troops were needed >>> elsewhere >>> or it was cheaper than raising their own and training and equipping them >>> to >>> fight us. This allowed the English to fight wars without the cost of >>> raising, maintaining or getting rid of troops after the was over. Ghee I >>> wonder if there are those that wish that could be done now! >>> Marty Bacon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>> >>> >>>> Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians >>> were? >>>> Sue >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >>>> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>> >>>> >>>> > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History Mag. >>> that >>>> > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: <RickVT@aol.com> >>>> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Sue, >>>> >> >>>> >> You may want to try this link: >>>> >> >>> _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%2 >>> 2+nagle&as_brr=1_ >>>> >> >>> (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+na >>> gle&as_brr=1) >>>> >> >>>> >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its >>>> >> location >>>> >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles if >>> you >>>> >> use the >>>> >> "search in this book" feature to the right. >>>> >> >>>> >> -Rick >>>> >> >>>> >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage >>>> >> >>> _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ >>>> >> >>> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >>>> >> >>>> >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: >>>> >> >>>> >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to >>>> >> figure >>>> >> out >>>> >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were the >>>> >> original >>>> >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house >>> called >>>> >> The >>>> >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris home. >>>> >> If >>>> >> anyone >>>> >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. Sue >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the >>>> >> all-new >>>> >> AOL >>>> >> at >>>> >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>> >> *************************************** >>>> >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> >> *************************************** >>>> >> ------------------------------- >>>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> >> the >>>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > *************************************** >>>> > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> > *************************************** >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>>> *************************************** >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Story about my Hessian soldier at: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/oh/schilling.htm Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "mbacon3" <mbacon3@cfl.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > Sue > I am not Rick but thought I'd stick my 2 cents in. Unless the reference was > to a family Hess was one of the independent German states. These states had > well trained armies which they hired out and thus paid their state expenses > and cost of the troops. During our Revolution the English hired many of > these Hessian troops to fight us because their troops were needed elsewhere > or it was cheaper than raising their own and training and equipping them to > fight us. This allowed the English to fight wars without the cost of > raising, maintaining or getting rid of troops after the was over. Ghee I > wonder if there are those that wish that could be done now! > Marty Bacon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > > > Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians > were? > > Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > > > > > > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History Mag. > that > > > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <RickVT@aol.com> > > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Sue, > > >> > > >> You may want to try this link: > > >> > _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%2 > 2+nagle&as_brr=1_ > > >> > (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+na > gle&as_brr=1) > > >> > > >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its > > >> location > > >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles if > you > > >> use the > > >> "search in this book" feature to the right. > > >> > > >> -Rick > > >> > > >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage > > >> > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ > > >> > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) > > >> > > >> > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) > > >> > > >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: > > >> > > >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to figure > > >> out > > >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were the > > >> original > > >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house > called > > >> The > > >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris home. If > > >> anyone > > >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. Sue > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new > > >> AOL > > >> at > > >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > >> *************************************** > > >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > >> *************************************** > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > > *************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue I am not Rick but thought I'd stick my 2 cents in. Unless the reference was to a family Hess was one of the independent German states. These states had well trained armies which they hired out and thus paid their state expenses and cost of the troops. During our Revolution the English hired many of these Hessian troops to fight us because their troops were needed elsewhere or it was cheaper than raising their own and training and equipping them to fight us. This allowed the English to fight wars without the cost of raising, maintaining or getting rid of troops after the was over. Ghee I wonder if there are those that wish that could be done now! Marty Bacon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians were? > Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > > > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History Mag. that > > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <RickVT@aol.com> > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > > > > >> > >> > >> Sue, > >> > >> You may want to try this link: > >> _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%2 2+nagle&as_brr=1_ > >> (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+na gle&as_brr=1) > >> > >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its > >> location > >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles if you > >> use the > >> "search in this book" feature to the right. > >> > >> -Rick > >> > >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage > >> _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ > >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) > >> > >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) > >> > >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: > >> > >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to figure > >> out > >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were the > >> original > >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house called > >> The > >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris home. If > >> anyone > >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. Sue > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new > >> AOL > >> at > >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >> *************************************** > >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > >> *************************************** > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I couldn't agree more. I have a degree in Southeast Asian history--totally irrelevant. The point, though, is as you say--genealogy and history cannot be separated. I refer to myself as a family history or as a genealogist-historian trying to emphasize the point that begats and begots are not my interest. My interest is how people lived, etc., in the past. By studying individual families you get a better feel for the common man than an history book is ever going to give you. You also learn how simplified many of the history books are. I can get totally involved in details like why did all these people leave New London, Conn., for Berkshire County, Mass, just before the Revolution, than subsequently move to western New York, many on there way to points further west? These questions can't be answered without the historic prospective, but the questions can't be asked unless individuals have been studied with the genealogical perspective. Barbara Ed Maul <rowdyrebel@optonline.net> wrote: Two have explained about genealogy and history. I have a degree in European and American history(No big deal only for reference).How do you separate a line of kings and queens from history and genealogy. What they have done or undone goes along with genealogy. Whoosh! No history-can't believe people not understanding this. Maybe they were never taught history in school and don't read history books. Sad. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dutch ramblings? > In an effort to switch everyone's thinking away from Dutch ramblings, etc. > for a blessed change, what are your thoughts on this: Do you call yourself a > genealogist or a family historian? > > I have read that although one works on the genealogy of their family, they > may call themselves family historians as they are recording more than just > vital statistics, or does the word "genealogist" cover more than just that? > > One adoptee wrote: I have been restricted to the genealogy of my adoptive > parents. When I get to my generation, I put 'adopted' by my name and by the > names of my three adopted siblings, and my parent's branch of the tree stops > there. Family history and genealogy are not and will never be one and the > same. It's as simple as that. > > I'm anxious for your thoughts! > Jean > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

I know about Hesse, and was wondering if it was that state and if they fought here- thanks, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "mbacon3" <mbacon3@cfl.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > Sue > I am not Rick but thought I'd stick my 2 cents in. Unless the reference > was > to a family Hess was one of the independent German states. These states > had > well trained armies which they hired out and thus paid their state > expenses > and cost of the troops. During our Revolution the English hired many of > these Hessian troops to fight us because their troops were needed > elsewhere > or it was cheaper than raising their own and training and equipping them > to > fight us. This allowed the English to fight wars without the cost of > raising, maintaining or getting rid of troops after the was over. Ghee I > wonder if there are those that wish that could be done now! > Marty Bacon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > >> Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians > were? >> Sue >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >> >> >> > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History Mag. > that >> > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <RickVT@aol.com> >> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM >> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sue, >> >> >> >> You may want to try this link: >> >> > _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%2 > 2+nagle&as_brr=1_ >> >> > (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+na > gle&as_brr=1) >> >> >> >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its >> >> location >> >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles if > you >> >> use the >> >> "search in this book" feature to the right. >> >> >> >> -Rick >> >> >> >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage >> >> > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ >> >> > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >> >> >> >> > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >> >> >> >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: >> >> >> >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to >> >> figure >> >> out >> >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were the >> >> original >> >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house > called >> >> The >> >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris home. If >> >> anyone >> >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. Sue >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >> >> AOL >> >> at >> >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> >> *************************************** >> >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> >> *************************************** >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > *************************************** >> > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> > *************************************** >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just found my 2nd G-Grandparents, Gabriel Hirsch & Floretta Weit. i had heard family stories that there was a Rbi in the line but since my Fathers family are all Catholic, I didn'y think much of it. Well after a question about from my cousin the Priest, I wrote another cousin who had helped me in the past and behold, gabriel HIRSCH came to the US in 1871 fromFrance, Alsace-Lorraine, Floretta came the same year but I don't know if they traveled together as they married in Manhattan NY in 1872. This is what I have been able to put together from Ancestry etc. Grabiel was a Rabi & may have been a doctor, cousin says her father had his black bag. Any help is needed as I have never done any Jewish research before. Gabriel Hirsch Facts Sheet Born – Nov. 1851 – 1900 census US Married - Floretta Weil – 1872 – NYC Marriages, census – married 29 yrs, 4 children, 4 children living, b. Feb 1851, d. before 3/12/1927 Sons – Abraham – b. April 1872, lawyer, died age 61, 1933, survived by Father Gabriel & brothers Fernand & Leon. Fernand – b. Mar 3, 1874, death certificate says born in France but I believe that is incorrect unless they went back home for a visit. d. Mar 23, 1942, butcher, married before 1896 Louise Kromer b 3/8/1873, d. 10/12/1952 Leon – b. June 1876, butcher Noe – b. May 1885, married Hecla (Markiewicz) d. Mar 12 1927 Son – Adrian G. Hirsch Gabriel & Flora came to US 1871 from France, probably Alsace-Lorraine Gabriel is a naturalized citizen Living with them in 1900 was Gustav Weil, age 21, a nephew, a butcher, b. Dec. 1878 in Germany, came to US 1896, alien Reverend of Congregation Shaarai Berocho, 138 East Fiftieth St -1900 Communaute Israelite Francais 1898 PS I just sent for marriage and death certicates for both of them from NY. Thanks, Carol L. Heap Florida

I would say I am a family historian that does genealogy for a hobby. I enjoy the history so much and love reading about or watching movies that took place during the times my ancestors lived to try to get a better idea of what life was like for them. I have been fortunate enough to come across some letters my ancestors wrote back in the Civil War time period and they are such a treasure to have. Donna (Benjamin) Woolum I am Researching Surnames in NY NJ and CT for BENJAMIN, FISHER -----Original Message----- From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GonyaJL@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:43 PM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dutch ramblings? In an effort to switch everyone's thinking away from Dutch ramblings, etc. for a blessed change, what are your thoughts on this: Do you call yourself a genealogist or a family historian? I have read that although one works on the genealogy of their family, they may call themselves family historians as they are recording more than just vital statistics, or does the word "genealogist" cover more than just that? One adoptee wrote: I have been restricted to the genealogy of my adoptive parents. When I get to my generation, I put 'adopted' by my name and by the names of my three adopted siblings, and my parent's branch of the tree stops there. Family history and genealogy are not and will never be one and the same. It's as simple as that. I'm anxious for your thoughts! Jean ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rick- I was just reading the references. Do you know who the Hessians were? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > That is interesting as i read something in and old Amer. History Mag. that > said that home was owned by the Nagles- hmm. Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RickVT@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Westchester History - Century House > > >> >> >> Sue, >> >> You may want to try this link: >> _http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq=%22century+house%22+nagle&as_brr=1_ >> (http://books.google.com/books?id=h28BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA83&dq="century+house"+nagle&as_brr=1) >> >> This book discusses the Century house owned by John Post and its >> location >> relative to the Nagle and Dykman farms. More info on the Nagles if you >> use the >> "search in this book" feature to the right. >> >> -Rick >> >> Van Tassel Family History Homepage >> _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >> >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) >> >> In a message dated 8/27/2007 8:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> suemaxwell@comcast.net writes: >> >> Does anyone have knowledge of Westchester history? In trying to figure >> out >> my Nagle problem, I discovered that the Nagles and Dykmans were the >> original >> landholders of that area of Manhattan, way back. There was a house called >> The >> Century House belonging to the Nagles, near the Robert Morris home. If >> anyone >> has any info on Westchester history, I would like to know more. Sue >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >> AOL >> at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jan, We are not at all particular; you are cetrainly welcome to attend reunion. This should be a particularly good one. We have gotten together a list of hotels for those interested, and will provide taxi service from Newark airport to the hotel. We formed (informally) the Phillips Knapp Family Association 2 years ago, so this is our third annual reunion. The annual dues are $5 a person, and boatride is $15. Everything else in included--we use the balance left from last year to finance the rest of the costs for this year. Our income consists primarily of the $5 dues, the 50-50 at reunion, and the silent auction at reunion. There are always a few people who make donations. Vicki has the hotel list, but I will have her send it to you. There is still time to get an airplane! We would lovre to have you. Barbara de Mare, co-chair I am a distant Knapp descendant--literally and genealogically. I live in California, for the first part; and my lines hook up with Eunice Knapp b.1688, husband Thomas Hatfield. Their son, Captain Abraham Hatfield of White Plains, Westchester NY b.1720 White Plains m.[1] Lavinia Fowler and [2] Ann Fowler. Their son [Abraham and 2nd wife]; Captain Joseph Hatfield b. 1766, wife Abigail Fowler Their daughter [3rd child] Anne Hatfield b. 1794, husband Samuel John Tredwell (all above from Westchester County, none from Phillipse Manor) Their daughter [4th child] Rebecca Tredwell, husband Amos W. Silkworth, Sr. Their son, Amos W. Silkworth, Jr. wife Sarah Ormerod Their daughter, Alice E. Silkworth, husband Jerome L. Grosbouer I am their daughter. I'm answering because I read of your reunion with great interest. I love the area, miss it terribly and it's a beautiful time of year. I would love to attend, but it's wishful thinking -- besides mine are not Rockland County Knapp's. It was simply nice to see this pop into my mailbox! How often does the family line have reunions and is there an association? Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" To: "Philomena M. Dunn" ; "Westchester e-mail list" Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Ann: Phillips Knapp reunion > > > Third Annual Phillips Knapp Reunion > > > The Phillips-Knapp Family Association is planning its third annual reunion > for the weekend of September 15 and 16, 2007. It is open to anyone who has > an ancestor from Rockland County surnamed Phillips or Knapp. If in doubt, > join our group! Annual dues are only $5 payable in cash at the reunion, or > by check to Vicki Miller. > Our reunion will kick off with a welcoming breakfast at the home of Vicki > Miller in Thiells. From there we will proceed to a three hour cruise on > the Hudson River, complete with catered lunch and guide to tell us > something about the lives of our ancestors in and along the river. After > the cruise we will return to Thiells to relax while eating pie in a pie > baking contest and watching a History Channel presentation on the > Haverstraw brickmaking industry. Hopefully we will also have a speaker > from the brick museum. We intend to end the day at the Phillips-Knapp > Cemetery on Beech Road. > Sunday morning we will tour the graves of our ancestors buried in Mt. Rest > Cemetery and unveil the DAR plaque on the grave of Agnes Phillips before > attending services at the church next to the cemetery. This church was > founded by our ancestors, and was previously known as the Crick Church or > St. Georges. Now it is simply called the First United Methodist Church of > Stony Point. After worship we will proceed to the Town of Haverstraw Park > for a picnic, and then say farewell at Parrot Bay. > For further information please contact Vicki Miller at avmofm@aol.com or > Barbara de Mare at BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com We are expecting participants > from all over the country, so please come and meet your cousins on this > fun-filled weekend. The cost of the reunion is only $15 for the catered > lunch plus the $5 dues. There is no better bargain to be had! > > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

"15. BEFORE THE DAYS OF THE ELEVATED RAILROAD. On the bank of the Harlem, near Two Hundred and Thirteenth Street, Jan Nagel, 2d, built a stone house in 1736, which was known for many years as the Century House. Its destruction is only quite recent. Up to within twenty years ago, boats used to ply on the Harlem from the Third Avenue bridge as far as the Century House. There were the Tiger Lily and several others; and the sail was a pleasant one, the boat stopping at High Bridge and other places where there were beer gardens and similar pleasure resorts, and connecting with the fast boats which formerly ran from Harlem Bridge to Peck Slip___this was before the days of the elevated railroad." _http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Manhattan/Broadway/Kingsbridge.html_ (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Manhattan/Broadway/Kingsbridge.html) -Rick _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vantasselfamilyhistoryhomepage/) In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:51:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WOLF6PACK@aol.com writes: _Branch Library News - Page 31_ (http://books.google.com/books?id=FA6goXvSJisC&pg=PA31&dq="century+house"+nagl e&ie=ISO-8859-1) by New York Public Library - 1914 now the Viaduct bridge at 155th street, its terminal being just north of High Bridge at the old Century House on the Nagle and Dyckman estate _http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22century+house%22+nagle&btnG= Search+Books_ (http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&q="century+ho use"+nagle&btnG=Search+Books) You need to look at some old maps. Judy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I became interested in genealogy after growing up hearing the proverbial "Indian Princess." After conducting extensive research over a number of years, I was able to discover the source of the family legend. (And learn much American history along the way). -I learned that my immigrant Dutch ancestor Cornelis Jansen Van Texel was welcomed by the Americans in spite of having a different color skin, strange religion, and language. -That he married Catoneras, Sachem (occupying the highest elected position in America) of the community of Tersarge (located at present day Crab Meadow, Long Island). -That they had a son Jan Cornelis Van Texel/Tessel/Tassel, who found himself in a Dutch Colonial court in New Amsterdam for defending his American heritage (after he delivered a "lesson" to a European immigrant by the name of Rutgert Jansen for calling him an "Indian dog.") -That during the Revolutionary War the patriot VT family not only sacrificed immensely fighting against the Loyalists (at least two killed, two houses burned, five prisoners of war, etc) who labeled them "mongrels" in their newpapers at the time. But also suffered loss by the rebel side (murdered by one of George Washington's officers) fighting for a document that labeled them "merciless Indian savages." I came to the realization (which I am sure my VT ancestors came to at the conclusion of the Revolution), that the ideal of "every man created equal" espoused by the United States' founding fathers had a long ways to go to match the equality and freedom practiced by America's founding mothers. Regards, Rick In a message dated 8/27/2007 5:44:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GonyaJL@aol.com writes: In an effort to switch everyone's thinking away from Dutch ramblings, etc. for a blessed change, what are your thoughts on this: Do you call yourself a genealogist or a family historian? I have read that although one works on the genealogy of their family, they may call themselves family historians as they are recording more than just vital statistics, or does the word "genealogist" cover more than just that? One adoptee wrote: I have been restricted to the genealogy of my adoptive parents. When I get to my generation, I put 'adopted' by my name and by the names of my three adopted siblings, and my parent's branch of the tree stops there. Family history and genealogy are not and will never be one and the same. It's as simple as that. I'm anxious for your thoughts! Jean ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour