Carol, Try here: _http://www.americanjewisharchives.org/aja/syna/index.html_ (http://www.americanjewisharchives.org/aja/syna/index.html) Judy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

In a message dated 8/31/2007 12:48:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cheap@simon.com writes: Congregation Shaarai Berocho, 138 East Fiftieth St -1900 Communaute Israelite Francais 1898 Does anyone know if either of these congregations still exist? What is at that address now? Did you try online telephone directories or Mapquest? Judy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Congregation Shaarai Berocho, 138 East Fiftieth St -1900 Communaute Israelite Francais 1898 Does anyone know if either of these congregations still exist? What is at that address now? Thanks, Carol L. Heap

I would suggest deleting all previous messages that you are replying to. At least all but the last one. If someone doesn't remember a recent post it's very easy to check the archives. If you're replying to an older message, a sentence or two copied will probably give enough information. It's something to keep in mind in personal correspondence, too. I do a lot of volunteer research and print out queries for my convenience. If the requester keeps including the previous message in their replies and further requests, I end up printing a book. Well, actually, I cut and paste, but I COULD end up with a book! Vicki Conklin

Don: We've seen this request on this list many times in the past year. For all the espoused experience, it seems several subscribers don't want to change their 'technique'. You are not the first one to raise this issue. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Angevine (Home)" <DAngevin@megalink.net> To: "NYWESTCH" <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:55 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Fw: please delete repeating messages > > Thanks for your effort Marita and others . . . > > However, when replying to a thread/continuous subject, only enough of "the > essence of the original message" needs to be included, which usually is > not the while previous message . . . such as the bit I have left below > from Elizabeth's original plea . . . > > This also helps with not filling the archives with multiple copies of the > same message -- very frustrating if you are searching the archives -- and > it also does not fill the server up with too much junk. > > I might add, that it is expected as good common practice at other > List-servs. > > Thanks in advance for your attention and efforts, > > Don Angevine > Bethel, Maine, USA > > the original message that is Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:17:03 -0700 > From: Marita <maritag@earthlink.net> > Subject: [NYWESTCH] please delete repeating messages > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > > Elizabeth, I am adding to your plea, too. It is very annoying having > to scroll through long duplications. > Notice I did what you suggested and only showed your message. > Thanks > Marita Gladson, M.A. MFT > Exec. Director > Saboba's Hope > www.sabobamedicalcentre.net > Fullerton, Ca > 714-773-5172 > >> I am getting repeats 7 or 8 times embedded in the middle of new >> messages. >> So please remove all that old garbage before sending new posts. >> >> THANKS >> >> Elizabeth W. Knowlton > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your effort Marita and others . . . However, when replying to a thread/continuous subject, only enough of "the essence of the original message" needs to be included, which usually is not the while previous message . . . such as the bit I have left below from Elizabeth's original plea . . . This also helps with not filling the archives with multiple copies of the same message -- very frustrating if you are searching the archives -- and it also does not fill the server up with too much junk. I might add, that it is expected as good common practice at other List-servs. Thanks in advance for your attention and efforts, Don Angevine Bethel, Maine, USA the original message that is Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:17:03 -0700 From: Marita <maritag@earthlink.net> Subject: [NYWESTCH] please delete repeating messages To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Elizabeth, I am adding to your plea, too. It is very annoying having to scroll through long duplications. Notice I did what you suggested and only showed your message. Thanks Marita Gladson, M.A. MFT Exec. Director Saboba's Hope www.sabobamedicalcentre.net Fullerton, Ca 714-773-5172 > I am getting repeats 7 or 8 times embedded in the middle of new > messages. > So please remove all that old garbage before sending new posts. > > THANKS > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton

I will repeat my question a bit differently. I am considering what my topic for a theses will be after I finish my masters in history- world and american. I do alot of family history research, and the person I am presently writing about doesn't fit the description of what the school wants for a thesis. I can either do a thesis or a project. A thesis would be a book that centers on my field of study, and along the lines of political economy or education, and centering on statesmanship. A project would be something that I created or build or do that contributes to statesmanship. Statesmen are defined as men and women of virtue, wisdom, diplomacy and courage who inspire greatness in others and move the cause of liberty; it is not confined to the political arena, but to all areas: the home and communities, business, entrepreneurs, government, law firms, schools, hospitals, universities, etc. These individuals make decisions based in history, on true principles, and make an impact on history in the long run; they are guided by virtue, wisdom, diplomacy and courage I am thinking of doing my theses or project based upon the process of genealogy or family history and its impact on history and individuals and families. If any of you are interested in answering some questions and sharing some experiences it would be helpful to me to see if this is a viable way to go. 1)How did you become interested in doing fm. history? 2)Have you gained a new or increased interest in history? 3)Have you found family members or others about whom you have read who have inspired you to be a better person, and in what ways? 4) Are others in the family interested? Are you the only one doing it and have no one to pass it on to ? 5)Have you made it a family project and how? 6)Have you used it in any way to better your self, family, community, or any other area? 7) Do you have an increased understanding of the importance of history? 8) Do you have an increased understanding of your place in the family, and in the community and in history? 9) Are you more patriotic? Are you move involved in something in the community or family in promoting statesmanship, knowledge of history, etc? 10) Has it increased your interest in reading, or anything related to the work you have been doing, and if so, what? 11)Do you have a sense of your having a role of being the family historian? 12) What interesting ways have you used to record it? 13) Have you developed any related hobbies from it? 14) Have you or will you contribute anything you have learned to "history" in general? What will you do with your research? 15) What kind of projects have you developed as a result? Please share anything that comes to you mind- Thanks, Sue

Alfred Vail was the Co-inventor of the telegraph, which was financed by his father, Judge Stephen Vail. Theodore Newton Vail, was the first president of AT&T and was considered the inventor of the telephone business. Theodore Vail held the position of president of AT&T not once, but twice. During my research of the Vail family, I have been amazed at how many relatives of Theodore Newton Vail were somehow associated with the telephone business. In fact, my grandfather held stock in AT&T for many years and finally used it to purchase his retirement home in Leisure Village NJ in 1974. Alfred Vail and Theodore Vail were 1st cousins once removed. I am in constant contact with Alfred Vail's Great Great grandson, who lives in NYC. Also, as a side note for Theodore Vail. He adopted his niece Katherine Louise Vail. Her granddaughter is Susan Vail Beresford, the current and soon to retire President of the Ford Foundation. I don't mean to drop names to impress, I just wanted to show the relationship of Alfred and Theodore Vail and what their legacies have created. Robert S. Vail Titusville, FL -----Original Message----- From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sass Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:39 PM To: cheap@simon.com; nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYWESTCH] Vail vs Morse I spent over 50 years in Telecommunications, in Morse, Telephone and Computers, (all the same). I believe it was Morse that invented the code, ala its name. Vail was a big name in Telephones. I believe he was one of the first Presidents of AT&T after Alexander Bell. During the Bell System hey days, for over a hundred years, the greatest award you could receive for inventions or heroism as a Bell employee was the VAIL Medal! don 14 yrs NJBT, 25 yrs USN Cryptology *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I spent over 50 years in Telecommunications, in Morse, Telephone and Computers, (all the same). I believe it was Morse that invented the code, ala its name. Vail was a big name in Telephones. I believe he was one of the first Presidents of AT&T after Alexander Bell. During the Bell System hey days, for over a hundred years, the greatest award you could receive for inventions or heroism as a Bell employee was the VAIL Medal! don 14 yrs NJBT, 25 yrs USN Cryptology

Also- have any of you interested your families in family history research? Would any of you say that being a family historian is a role of equal importance as other roles such as being president or being a leader of a company, etc? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] doing historical genealogy >I thing this discussion has really been profitable. > I am about to start a Masters Degree in European and American History. In > thinking about my thesis, which has to contribute to statesmanship in some > manner, I am interested in knowing how doing historical research on your > ancestors has affected you. Has it made you more patriotic? Has it begun > or increased an interest in history? Do you have more of a sense of the > importance of this country? Do you feel like you are more of a > statesman/woman as a result? > How has it affected you, your family, your relatives, your life? > > I am thinking about perhaps using the process and results of doing > genealogy as the theme for my thesis. > > If any of you are willing to share thoughts on or off line, please contact > me- > > Sue Maxwell > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

%That's what the history books would have you believe. Yes, the Morse Code is named after Samuel Morse. But it was his assistant and financier, Alfred Vail who actually invented the dot-dash method of Morse Code. A long story short. Alfred and Samuel could not come to an agreement as to the sharing of the rights to the Code so Samuel Morse became the sole proprietor of the Morse Code. I'm also sure that if you visit the Morse property, you'll find a completely different story as well. Robert S. Vail Titusville, FL -----Original Message----- From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cheap@simon.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:26 AM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Genealogy vs. Family History Robert - "Just as a final parting shot on this subject. I have just come across some transcribed letters between Alfred Vail, the inventor of the Morse Code and co-inventor of the telegraph, during his final 10 years of life where he dedicated himself to compiling the Vail family genealogy. " I thought Samuel Morse invented the Morse code, is this another case of our wonderful schools teaching us wrong? Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be happy to do so, but I would need an idea of your timeline. Sometimes I can "wax eloquent on the topic" and other times I am so harried I miss my own mealtime! My kids have always called me 'Francis Scott Mother" if that gives you a clue....... I have done husbands as well and his go to the Mayflower. He was so casual upon learning of that I could have kicked him in the shins! At the onset of becoming specifically involved in real genealogical research,as opposed to just fiddling around, my main intent was--to learn WHEN they all came and WHERE they came from. As I moved back in time, I kept finding the next generation was already here.... and I was non-plused (though excitedly such). I'm stuck on my Ulster, NY Silkworths, though, think they came after the French and Indian War when Britain was trying to "beef up" the colonies......many came without much, making fewer footprints in public records. Seems they came from maritime areas of Britain and most all until recent times, were involved in the maritime industry---as opposed to farming! We THINK they came through Boston-Ipswich. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] doing historical genealogy >I thing this discussion has really been profitable. > I am about to start a Masters Degree in European and American History. In > thinking about my thesis, which has to contribute to statesmanship in some > manner, I am interested in knowing how doing historical research on your > ancestors has affected you. Has it made you more patriotic? Has it begun > or increased an interest in history? Do you have more of a sense of the > importance of this country? Do you feel like you are more of a > statesman/woman as a result? > How has it affected you, your family, your relatives, your life? > > I am thinking about perhaps using the process and results of doing > genealogy as the theme for my thesis. > > If any of you are willing to share thoughts on or off line, please contact > me- > > Sue Maxwell > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thing this discussion has really been profitable. I am about to start a Masters Degree in European and American History. In thinking about my thesis, which has to contribute to statesmanship in some manner, I am interested in knowing how doing historical research on your ancestors has affected you. Has it made you more patriotic? Has it begun or increased an interest in history? Do you have more of a sense of the importance of this country? Do you feel like you are more of a statesman/woman as a result? How has it affected you, your family, your relatives, your life? I am thinking about perhaps using the process and results of doing genealogy as the theme for my thesis. If any of you are willing to share thoughts on or off line, please contact me- Sue Maxwell

I just found my 2nd G-Grandparents, Gabriel Hirsch & Floretta Weit. i had heard family stories that there was a Rabi in the line but since my Father's family are all Catholic, I didn't think much of it. Well after a question about from my cousin the Priest, I wrote another cousin who had helped me in the past and behold, Gabriel HIRSCH came to the US in 1871 from France, Alsace-Lorraine, Floretta came the same year but I don't know if they traveled together as they married in Manhattan NY in 1872. This is what I have been able to put together from Ancestry etc. Grabiel was a Rabi & may have been a doctor, cousin says her father had his black bag. Any help is needed as I have never done any Jewish research before. Gabriel Hirsch Facts Sheet Born – Nov. 1851 – 1900 census US died Jan 23, 1935 Married - Floretta Weil – 1872 – NYC Marriages, census – married 29 yrs, 4 children, 4 children living, b. Feb 1851, d.Apr 19, 1918 Sons – Abraham – b. April 1872, lawyer, died age 61, 1933, survived by Father Gabriel & brothers Fernand & Leon. Fernand – b. Mar 3, 1874, death certificate says born in France but I believe that is incorrect unless they went back home for a visit. d. Mar 23, 1942, butcher, married Feb 20,1896 Louise Kromer b 3/8/1873, d.10/12/1952 Leon – b. June 1876, butcher Noe – b. May 1885, married Hecla (Markiewicz) d. Mar 12 1927 Son – Adrian G. Hirsch Gabriel & Flora came to US 1871 from France, probably Alsace-Lorraine Gabriel is a naturalized citizen Living with them in 1900 was Gustav Weil, age 21, a nephew, a butcher, b. Dec. 1878 in Germany, came to US 1896, alien Reverend of Congregation Shaarai Berocho, 138 East Fiftieth St -1900 Communaute Israelite Francais 1898 PS I just sent for marriage and death certicates for both of them from NY. Thanks, Carol L. Heap Florida *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And friends, that is how the IED's work in Iraq, escept the bad guys are using cell phone technology instead. George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi Ed, A "big boom" from a distance sure would have come in handy in a war. There were so many things back then that were being invented on both sides of the ocean with no communication among any of the inventors....not like today when communication flies around the globe in seconds. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Maul" <rowdyrebel@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Genealogy vs. Family History > Hi Maureen, > In doing my family book, I found a guy, (my family were Schillin) > Schilling > von Canstatt in Germany > who invented the telegraph. He found out he could wire the telegraph to > explosives and get a big boom from a distance. > Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Genealogy vs. Family History > > >> I live a few miles from the Morse Estate....Locust Grove.....and they >> have >> posters and booklets all over the place talking about his inventing the >> Morse Code and his first attempt that went thru, etc. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <cheap@simon.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Genealogy vs. Family History >> >> >> > Robert - >> > >> > "Just as a final parting shot on this subject. I have just come across >> > some >> > transcribed letters between Alfred Vail, the inventor of the Morse Code >> > and >> > co-inventor of the telegraph, during his final 10 years of life where >> > he >> > dedicated himself to compiling the Vail family genealogy. " >> > >> > I thought Samuel Morse invented the Morse code, is this another case of >> > our wonderful schools teaching us wrong? >> > Thanks, >> > Carol L. Heap >> > FL >> > *************************************** >> > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> > *************************************** >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maureen, In doing my family book, I found a guy, (my family were Schillin) Schilling von Canstatt in Germany who invented the telegraph. He found out he could wire the telegraph to explosives and get a big boom from a distance. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Genealogy vs. Family History > I live a few miles from the Morse Estate....Locust Grove.....and they have > posters and booklets all over the place talking about his inventing the > Morse Code and his first attempt that went thru, etc. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <cheap@simon.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Genealogy vs. Family History > > > > Robert - > > > > "Just as a final parting shot on this subject. I have just come across > > some > > transcribed letters between Alfred Vail, the inventor of the Morse Code > > and > > co-inventor of the telegraph, during his final 10 years of life where he > > dedicated himself to compiling the Vail family genealogy. " > > > > I thought Samuel Morse invented the Morse code, is this another case of > > our wonderful schools teaching us wrong? > > Thanks, > > Carol L. Heap > > FL > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I live a few miles from the Morse Estate....Locust Grove.....and they have posters and booklets all over the place talking about his inventing the Morse Code and his first attempt that went thru, etc. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <cheap@simon.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Genealogy vs. Family History > Robert - > > "Just as a final parting shot on this subject. I have just come across > some > transcribed letters between Alfred Vail, the inventor of the Morse Code > and > co-inventor of the telegraph, during his final 10 years of life where he > dedicated himself to compiling the Vail family genealogy. " > > I thought Samuel Morse invented the Morse code, is this another case of > our wonderful schools teaching us wrong? > Thanks, > Carol L. Heap > FL > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds to me like a pet name that the mother called the child or called her husband.....Dearie, affectionately. I had an aunt who called me "Lovey". Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <cheap@simon.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] census > "Deerie". > > George, did anyone have an accent? Sounds like Jerry to me. > > Thanks, > Carol L. Heap > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert - "Just as a final parting shot on this subject. I have just come across some transcribed letters between Alfred Vail, the inventor of the Morse Code and co-inventor of the telegraph, during his final 10 years of life where he dedicated himself to compiling the Vail family genealogy. " I thought Samuel Morse invented the Morse code, is this another case of our wonderful schools teaching us wrong? Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL