I would love to know how Mary Buys is related to the Van Warts (Werts)! Do you have that info? Jean Florida ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Yes, Isaac Van Wart's statue is in Tarrytown, and he is the one credited with the capture of Major Andre. Isaac's son, who was also named Isaac, married Phoebe Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster and Jemima Martine. Marmaduke is my gggg grandfather. His home in Pleasantville is being restored and will be turned into offices, I believe. There was quite a "to do" about whether to restore the old home or tear it down to build condos, but thankfully, the structure was determined to be sound and so it is being renovated. I don't know if they've finished the job or not yet. I have read numerous positive articles about Isaac Van Wart and I would like to believe them. A cousin of mine wrote me that Isaac and his "cronies" were not only illiterate, but were highway robbers as well. She didn't document this statement. I did read though, that at this time during the war, many people were hurting from lack of money, food and things necessary for everyday living, and that some did engage in thievery, highway robbery, etc. Also, it was pointed out that Isaac was only 20 years old at the time! (In those days though, 20 years would certainly be mature and he should have known better!) So there you have it! I might point out that Isaac had an older Van Wart cousin in the service and he served with great distinction and honor, but unfortunately, the spotlight has always been on the Van Wart who captured John Andre! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

There's also a large monument to the Captors of Andre at the entrance to Patriot Park in Tarrytown. I've had my picture taken in front of it. My ancestors lived in the area until the 1930's, and it's funny, when I was growing up my grandpa would tell me that someday I should visit Tarrytown because "there is a monument there to people in our family." He mentioned this many times, but I never understood what he meant or knew the details until I took up genealogy, and there it was-- the story of the capture of Major Andre and the connection with my family. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Maul" <rowdyrebel@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > There is a small sign in Tarrytown where the Americans captured Andre. > It was poor inteligence gathering by the British that caused Andre's > capture > and hanging, Sad. A brave soldier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:24 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > >> Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van >> Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may >> have a connection. >> >> Your reference to the "highway robber" viewpoint of Andre's captors is >> the >> British version, I believe! Personally, I like the opposite viewpoint, >> which was shared by General Washington: That these were loyal >> militiamen, >> patriots who refused the bribes offered by Andre, and instead turned him > in. >> Many historians have suggested that if Andre had not been captured and >> Benedict Arnold had been successful in giving up West Point, it is likely >> that the American Revolution would have been lost. >> >> Donna >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians >> >> >> > I've also found a murderer, a highway >> > robber who ended up becoming a >> > national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the >> > Rev. >> > War). >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am seeking the birthplace and parents of a Rachel Storms, supposedly born 11 October 1753, died 14 Dec 1837 in Stony Point, Rockland County, New York. She married Lebbeus L. Knapp, originally from Greenwich, Conn, but ended up in Rockland County. The Knapps and the Conklins intermarried a lot in Rockland County. I also have in my database a Mary Van Wart married to an Abraham Conklin. Their son James Conklin (1824-1889) married a Knapp. And so goes Rockland County! Unfortunately I haven't followed the Buys genealogy as I didn't know I would run into so many of them when I first became acquainted with the name. Rachel Storms is said to have been born in Hopewell Center, Ontario County, New York. This is clearly an error as Hopewell Center was not in existence and the area not settled at the time of her birth. The same story has her as an Indian princess in some convoluted manner. I give it the same credit as all such stories--none. I think it much more likely that she was born in Hopewell Junction, Dutchess County, which adjoins Stormville. There are many Storms from the east side of the Hudson, as well as some on the New York-New Jersey border. Rachel is not in my direct line, but I trace many old Rockland families. I don't know where any of them came from--most are said to be from Greenwich. Conn, area. My ancestors John Phillips and Sarah Knapp (1721-1777) fall into that category. I would particularly like to know anything about their background. One story has John born in Holland. As you probably can tell by now, I give no credence to any of these stories. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "GonyaJL@aol.com" <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 5:49:14 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians Carolee -- I'm thrilled to learn that I have new cousins! I know nothing of the Storms, Conklins and Buys, although the Buys name seems familiar! I've come across it somewhere in my wanderings. When you have time, do send me some info on my new rellies! I sent a message a while ago saying that Isaac Van Wart's son married Phoebe Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster, who is my gggg grandfather! Isn't this sharing of material just wonderful!!!!! I was told long ago that you may find treasures hidden in someone's attic, picture album or letter collection, that you would never find through any other way than through sharing. I have found that to be so true! Jean Florida

Good morning Are you talking about the X rated family of Storms, Dutcher, Conklin, Buys and Van Werts? My Conklin brick wall is Elijah Conklin and Mary Buys daughter of John Buys and Lela Storm. John is a Rev. War patriot. Interesting reading Lela's request for a pension. History lives. Mary has ties to the above names several times. Carolee H. Califoria ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Donna, The three were definitely treated as heroes in the MacDonald accounts and elsewhere as well in any material I've reserched.....although Andre was not hated by the townspeople. He was considered an English Officer doing his job. Not so for Benedict Arnold who was loathed both locally and elsewhere as a traitor and was hanged in effigy all over the Westchester countryside!! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > No, I haven't, but I will-- thanks! I just looked at the index online on > WCHS and it seems the info in regard to Andre's captors may be in pages > 830-835, roughly. I'm assuming this isn't online anywhere? If not, I > will > order the copies of the relevant pages-- but I'm interested in your take, > Maureen, since you have read these particular accounts? > > Don't get me wrong...I do not mind having some black sheep in my line (and > of course I do have some already!)-- but I don't count these captors on > that > side of the fence. I have done a considerable amount of reading on this > particular incident in Revolutionary War history, and the majority of > accounts conclude that these 3 men were heroes--except, of course, if you > are reading a British account of the incident. > > Gee, I guess this may help a bit in answering Sue's research questions #2, > 7, 8, 10. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:16 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > >> Jean and Donna, >> >> Have either of you read the MacDonald Papers?? >> > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Westchester Co. Historical Society Go to: http://www.westchesterhistory.com/ Click on Library Then scroll down, you will see the index to the McDonald papers. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians/question > What is WHS? I would like to look at those books- what are they called- > Sue > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yep I have Conklin's for sure, and a tie in through my Archer line. I will send you more later! thanks for contacting me! Please give me details on your Conklin line, in particular. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <KHansen784@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > _> > If you are connected to the above then you also have connections to the > Storms, Conklin's and Buys. Then you have another cousin. Hi > > Carolee > California > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

_dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com_ (mailto:dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com) in her posting to the list asked "Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may have a connection". If you are connected to the above then you also have connections to the Storms, Conklin's and Buys. Then you have another cousin. Hi Carolee California ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

There is a small sign in Tarrytown where the Americans captured Andre. It was poor inteligence gathering by the British that caused Andre's capture and hanging, Sad. A brave soldier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van > Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may > have a connection. > > Your reference to the "highway robber" viewpoint of Andre's captors is the > British version, I believe! Personally, I like the opposite viewpoint, > which was shared by General Washington: That these were loyal militiamen, > patriots who refused the bribes offered by Andre, and instead turned him in. > Many historians have suggested that if Andre had not been captured and > Benedict Arnold had been successful in giving up West Point, it is likely > that the American Revolution would have been lost. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > I've also found a murderer, a highway > > robber who ended up becoming a > > national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the Rev. > > War). > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is WHS? I would like to look at those books- what are they called- Sue

No, I haven't, but I will-- thanks! I just looked at the index online on WCHS and it seems the info in regard to Andre's captors may be in pages 830-835, roughly. I'm assuming this isn't online anywhere? If not, I will order the copies of the relevant pages-- but I'm interested in your take, Maureen, since you have read these particular accounts? Don't get me wrong...I do not mind having some black sheep in my line (and of course I do have some already!)-- but I don't count these captors on that side of the fence. I have done a considerable amount of reading on this particular incident in Revolutionary War history, and the majority of accounts conclude that these 3 men were heroes--except, of course, if you are reading a British account of the incident. Gee, I guess this may help a bit in answering Sue's research questions #2, 7, 8, 10. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Jean and Donna, > > Have either of you read the MacDonald Papers?? >

Jean and Donna, Have either of you read the MacDonald Papers?? It's a 2 Vol work consisting of first person accounts from Westchester residents who remember and in some cases participated in the Rev War in Westchester. I bought mine from the WHS. There are several first person accounts from people who actually knew the three who captured Andre and remember his capture. This is local stuff and very interesting reading. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van > Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may > have a connection. > > Your reference to the "highway robber" viewpoint of Andre's captors is the > British version, I believe! Personally, I like the opposite viewpoint, > which was shared by General Washington: That these were loyal militiamen, > patriots who refused the bribes offered by Andre, and instead turned him > in. > Many historians have suggested that if Andre had not been captured and > Benedict Arnold had been successful in giving up West Point, it is likely > that the American Revolution would have been lost. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > >> I've also found a murderer, a highway >> robber who ended up becoming a >> national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the Rev. >> War). > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may have a connection. Your reference to the "highway robber" viewpoint of Andre's captors is the British version, I believe! Personally, I like the opposite viewpoint, which was shared by General Washington: That these were loyal militiamen, patriots who refused the bribes offered by Andre, and instead turned him in. Many historians have suggested that if Andre had not been captured and Benedict Arnold had been successful in giving up West Point, it is likely that the American Revolution would have been lost. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > I've also found a murderer, a highway > robber who ended up becoming a > national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the Rev. > War).

Here are some brief answers to your questions: 1. Long ago I found a paper upon which my mother had sketched our family tree. I was fascinated by it -- couldn't put it down! I guess that was the seed that has never stopped growing within me. 2. Most definitely! I want to know about the people who came before! How did they get here? Why did they come? What were they like? I recently visited Tahiti and I've become SO interested in their ancestors. They were not the quiet, lovely people we imagined! 3. Not really! I've found a good many people of whom I am proud, such as: doctors, nurses, teachers, an author, etc. along with many laborers, servants, carpenters, farm workers and domestics. They were honest, hard working people. I've also found a murderer, a highway robber who ended up becoming a national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the Rev. War). I think most of my ancestors were law abiding citizens, but I'm sure there were some sneaky individuals as well! 4 Yes, my children and grandchildren are interested when they have time! I know they'll be pleased to receive my "labor of love" when I pass on. 5. Everyone is too busy to work on family history -- they leave it all to me, which is OK 6 Well, I belong to a Genealogy Society and we share stuff, so I guess you could say this is a benefit to others. I also write a Genealogy column for our community newsletter -- I've had positive feedback about that. 7. Oh my, yes! We can't know where to go if we don't know where we've been! That's food for thought, though, isn't it? These days, it seems like we don't know where we've been and we sure as heck don't seem to be heading in the right direction! We need HELP! 8. Yes! I'm a link, and that's a good feeling! I think I'll skip # 9! 10. Mercy, yes! How can one poke around into the past without reading? Every individual we research involves more reading and more learning! It adds up, you know! 11. Yes, they've delegated me to be the family historian! There should be one in every family! If your children, or grandchildren aren't interested, just remember that someone down the line is going to want to know who they are and where they came from. Your records need to be there for them! If you have no children, your work is still a very valuable contribution to society for many will learn and benefit from it! 12.& 13 Dates, places and names can be dry as dust, so I love to take the facts that I've gathered and weave them together with fiction to make an interesting story. This makes these ancestors come alive! I am always very careful to state at the end of the story just what is fact and what is fiction. 14. All my research will go to my children and grandchildren. Hopefully, they will add to it and pass it on down to their descendants. I don't know that this will contribute to "history" in general, but I like to think that I've "passed the torch" in my own personal way. 15. Projects? Isn't this enough? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thanks for your response. I enjoyed your answers very much. You sound like the rest of us- hooked! About where we are going- you might want to read a book called The Fourth Turning by Strauss and Howe. It is a bit difficult to get through, but it talks about the cycles in history that repeat over and over again, and how that helps you know where you are in the present cycle and what is coming. There are four phases, and when the author wrote it in 1997, they said we were in the unraveling phase and that before 2005 there would be a major terrible event that would precipitate us into the crises phase- what a great prediction, based upon past history, about 9/11 ( I was in the airport that day getting ready to go to NYC!). Again, thank you very much for your response- you are lucky to have family who are interested. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Here are some brief answers to your questions: > > 1. Long ago I found a paper upon which my mother had sketched our family > tree. I was fascinated by it -- > couldn't put it down! I guess that was the seed that has never > stopped > growing within me. > > 2. Most definitely! I want to know about the people who came before! > How > did they get here? Why did they > come? What were they like? I recently visited Tahiti and I've become > SO interested in their ancestors. > They were not the quiet, lovely people we imagined! > > 3. Not really! I've found a good many people of whom I am proud, such > as: > doctors, nurses, teachers, an > author, etc. along with many laborers, servants, carpenters, farm > workers and domestics. They were > honest, hard working people. I've also found a murderer, a highway > robber who ended up becoming a > national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the Rev. > War). I think most of my > ancestors were law abiding citizens, but I'm sure there were some > sneaky > individuals as well! > > 4 Yes, my children and grandchildren are interested when they have time! > I > know they'll be pleased to > receive my "labor of love" when I pass on. > > 5. Everyone is too busy to work on family history -- they leave it all to > me, which is OK > > 6 Well, I belong to a Genealogy Society and we share stuff, so I guess > you > could say this is a benefit to > others. I also write a Genealogy column for our community > newsletter -- > I've had positive feedback about > that. > > 7. Oh my, yes! We can't know where to go if we don't know where we've > been! That's food for thought, > though, isn't it? These days, it seems like we don't know where we've > been and we sure as heck don't > seem to be heading in the right direction! We need HELP! > > 8. Yes! I'm a link, and that's a good feeling! > > I think I'll skip # 9! > > 10. Mercy, yes! How can one poke around into the past without reading? > Every individual we research > involves more reading and more learning! It adds up, you know! > > 11. Yes, they've delegated me to be the family historian! There should > be > one in every family! If your > children, or grandchildren aren't interested, just remember that > someone down the line is going to > want to know who they are and where they came from. Your records > need > to be there for them! > If you have no children, your work is still a very valuable > contribution to society for many will learn and > benefit from it! > > 12.& 13 Dates, places and names can be dry as dust, so I love to take > the > facts that I've gathered and > weave them together with fiction to make an interesting story. This > makes these ancestors come > alive! I am always very careful to state at the end of the story > just > what is fact and what is fiction. > > 14. All my research will go to my children and grandchildren. > Hopefully, > they will add to it and pass it on > down to their descendants. I don't know that this will contribute > to > "history" in general, but I like to > think that I've "passed the torch" in my own personal way. > > 15. Projects? Isn't this enough? > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carol, www.ecben.net/nysynagogues.shtml Charles

Robert, What you've found is very interesting. I ran into some stuff at the Smithsonian site, as well as one for Morristown, NJ. regarding Alfred and family. http://siarchives.si.edu/findingaids/FARU7055.htm http://www.parks.morris.nj.us/vail/AVbio.html Charles

Opps first reply only went to Jan Miller . . . Jan, I know, I was responding/reinforcing to Elizabeth and Marita . . . so obviously, I'm third in line at this moment in time . . . not the first. It never hurts to say it again and again, because there will be "newbies", Don Angevine Bethel, Maine, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Miller Subject: Re: please delete repeating messages You are not the first one to raise this issue. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Angevine (Home)" <DAngevin@megalink.net> Subject: [NYWESTCH] Fw: please delete repeating messages > Thanks for your effort Marita and others . . . > > However, when replying to a thread/continuous subject, only enough of "the > essence of the original message" needs to be included, which usually is > not the while previous message . . . such as the bit I have left below > from Elizabeth's original plea . . . >> > the original message that is Message: 1 > From: Marita <maritag@earthlink.net> > Elizabeth, I am adding to your plea, too. It is very annoying having > to scroll through long duplications. > Notice I did what you suggested and only showed your message. > Message: 1 > From: "Elizabeth Knowlton" <knowltonew@earthlink.net> > Subject: [NYWESTCH] small plea to please delete repeating messages at > theend of your responses > >> I am getting repeats 7 or 8 times embedded in the middle of new >> messages. >> So please remove all that old garbage before sending new posts.

%That's what the history books would have you believe. Yes, the Morse Code is named after Samuel Morse. But it was his assistant and financier, Alfred Vail who actually invented the dot-dash method of Morse Code. A long story short. Alfred and Samuel could not come to an agreement as to the sharing of the rights to the Code so Samuel Morse became the sole proprietor of the Morse Code. How interesting, I have passed by the Morse estate several times on vacation but genealogy took up my time when in NY. What history tells us is not always the truth. Thanks, Carol L. Heap West Palm Beach, FL