Bill -- If you send me your email address I will send you my Genealogical Report on William Forster and his descendants. It is the sum of many years work and I prefer not to make it available to persons who have no interest in this family. Jean ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

First of all I would like to thank those of you who are answering my questions about being a family historian. Your answers have been fascinating, amazing and very helpful. I would like to add one important question- # 16) Have you discovered new historical information, or corrected historically accepted information; has your research uncovered information that would add important change our our general present day understanding of history in some area ? Also, I realize that some of the questions need to be reworded so I don't get just a yes or no answer, but some more details. So if I have asked you if you have a better sense of patriotism or a better sense of history or a better sense of your place in history or the family, would you give me some details. Thanks for all of the interesting responses. Tomorrow I will reword the questions so that I can learn more about your experiences as a family historian, as I am getting some fabulous answers from all of you. Thanks, Sue For example on question Do you have an increased understanding of history- would you change it to In what way do you have an increased understanding of history? And in the question- Are you more patriotic, please change it to "In what ways have you become more patriotic? I am realizing some of my questions need only a yes or no answer, so if you could give me some explanations, that would be great. Thanks again, Sue

Please change the subject line to reflect your message. All the messages say Family Historians, and we are missing a variety of surnames and topics. Thanks! Elizabeth > [Original Message] > From: <nywestch-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Date: 9/1/2007 5:13:53 PM > Subject: NYWESTCH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 274 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: family historians (Donna K. Vaughn) > 2. Re: family historians (KHansen784@aol.com) > 3. Re: family historians (Donna K. Vaughn) > 4. Re: family historians/question (Sue Maxwell) > 5. Re: family historians/question (Donna K. Vaughn) > 6. Re: family historians (quillpen1) > 7. Re: family historians (KHansen784@aol.com) > 8. Re: family historians (Ed Maul) > 9. Re: family historians (Donna K. Vaughn) > 10. Re: family historians (GonyaJL@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:22:40 -0400 > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001301c7ec8a$691b0950$b26ce248@Donna> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > No, I haven't, but I will-- thanks! I just looked at the index online on > WCHS and it seems the info in regard to Andre's captors may be in pages > 830-835, roughly. I'm assuming this isn't online anywhere? If not, I will > order the copies of the relevant pages-- but I'm interested in your take, > Maureen, since you have read these particular accounts? > > Don't get me wrong...I do not mind having some black sheep in my line (and > of course I do have some already!)-- but I don't count these captors on that > side of the fence. I have done a considerable amount of reading on this > particular incident in Revolutionary War history, and the majority of > accounts conclude that these 3 men were heroes--except, of course, if you > are reading a British account of the incident. > > Gee, I guess this may help a bit in answering Sue's research questions #2, > 7, 8, 10. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:16 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > Jean and Donna, > > > > Have either of you read the MacDonald Papers?? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:39:35 EDT > From: KHansen784@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d07.187e678f.340ad3a7@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > _dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com_ (mailto:dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com) in her posting to > the list asked > "Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van > Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may > have a connection". > > If you are connected to the above then you also have connections to the > Storms, Conklin's and Buys. Then you have another cousin. Hi > > Carolee > California > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:48:45 -0400 > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006301c7eca7$32c84df0$b26ce248@Donna> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Yep I have Conklin's for sure, and a tie in through my Archer line. I will > send you more later! thanks for contacting me! Please give me details on > your Conklin line, in particular. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <KHansen784@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > _> > > If you are connected to the above then you also have connections to the > > Storms, Conklin's and Buys. Then you have another cousin. Hi > > > > Carolee > > California > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > > at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:49:38 -0600 > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians/question > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001901c7eca7$52564eb0$0b00a8c0@desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What is WHS? I would like to look at those books- what are they called- Sue > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:34:45 -0400 > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians/question > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007101c7ecad$a0267240$b26ce248@Donna> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Westchester Co. Historical Society > Go to: > http://www.westchesterhistory.com/ > Click on Library > Then scroll down, you will see the index to the McDonald papers. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians/question > > > > What is WHS? I would like to look at those books- what are they called- > > Sue > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:24:34 -0400 > From: quillpen1 <quillpen1@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000501c7ecb4$9542a630$18635743@YOUR3EBBEA98F1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Donna, > > The three were definitely treated as heroes in the MacDonald accounts and > elsewhere as well in any material I've reserched.....although Andre was not > hated by the townspeople. He was considered an English Officer doing his > job. > > Not so for Benedict Arnold who was loathed both locally and elsewhere as a > traitor and was hanged in effigy all over the Westchester countryside!! > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > No, I haven't, but I will-- thanks! I just looked at the index online on > > WCHS and it seems the info in regard to Andre's captors may be in pages > > 830-835, roughly. I'm assuming this isn't online anywhere? If not, I > > will > > order the copies of the relevant pages-- but I'm interested in your take, > > Maureen, since you have read these particular accounts? > > > > Don't get me wrong...I do not mind having some black sheep in my line (and > > of course I do have some already!)-- but I don't count these captors on > > that > > side of the fence. I have done a considerable amount of reading on this > > particular incident in Revolutionary War history, and the majority of > > accounts conclude that these 3 men were heroes--except, of course, if you > > are reading a British account of the incident. > > > > Gee, I guess this may help a bit in answering Sue's research questions #2, > > 7, 8, 10. > > > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > > >> Jean and Donna, > >> > >> Have either of you read the MacDonald Papers?? > >> > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:15:51 EDT > From: KHansen784@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c54.188223b6.340af847@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Good morning > Are you talking about the X rated family of Storms, Dutcher, Conklin, Buys > and Van Werts? > > My Conklin brick wall is Elijah Conklin and Mary Buys daughter of John Buys > and Lela Storm. John is a Rev. War patriot. Interesting reading Lela's > request for a pension. History lives. Mary has ties to the above names > several times. > > Carolee H. > Califoria > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 09:55:10 -0400 > From: Ed Maul <rowdyrebel@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <00a201c7ec9f$b6882780$6501a8c0@110367s42nx8e1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > There is a small sign in Tarrytown where the Americans captured Andre. > It was poor inteligence gathering by the British that caused Andre's capture > and hanging, Sad. A brave soldier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:24 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van > > Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may > > have a connection. > > > > Your reference to the "highway robber" viewpoint of Andre's captors is the > > British version, I believe! Personally, I like the opposite viewpoint, > > which was shared by General Washington: That these were loyal militiamen, > > patriots who refused the bribes offered by Andre, and instead turned him > in. > > Many historians have suggested that if Andre had not been captured and > > Benedict Arnold had been successful in giving up West Point, it is likely > > that the American Revolution would have been lost. > > > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > > > > I've also found a murderer, a highway > > > robber who ended up becoming a > > > national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the Rev. > > > War). > > > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:41:06 -0400 > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003501c7ecd0$0b052df0$b26ce248@Donna> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > There's also a large monument to the Captors of Andre at the entrance to > Patriot Park in Tarrytown. I've had my picture taken in front of it. My > ancestors lived in the area until the 1930's, and it's funny, when I was > growing up my grandpa would tell me that someday I should visit Tarrytown > because "there is a monument there to people in our family." He mentioned > this many times, but I never understood what he meant or knew the details > until I took up genealogy, and there it was-- the story of the capture of > Major Andre and the connection with my family. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Maul" <rowdyrebel@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > There is a small sign in Tarrytown where the Americans captured Andre. > > It was poor inteligence gathering by the British that caused Andre's > > capture > > and hanging, Sad. A brave soldier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> > > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > > > > >> Which one of the three captors are you related to? I am connected to Van > >> Wart and Williams (who were cousins); the third was Paulding. So we may > >> have a connection. > >> > >> Your reference to the "highway robber" viewpoint of Andre's captors is > >> the > >> British version, I believe! Personally, I like the opposite viewpoint, > >> which was shared by General Washington: That these were loyal > >> militiamen, > >> patriots who refused the bribes offered by Andre, and instead turned him > > in. > >> Many historians have suggested that if Andre had not been captured and > >> Benedict Arnold had been successful in giving up West Point, it is likely > >> that the American Revolution would have been lost. > >> > >> Donna > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> > >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:15 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > >> > >> > >> > I've also found a murderer, a highway > >> > robber who ended up becoming a > >> > national hero (the man who captured Major John Andre during the > >> > Rev. > >> > War). > >> > >> *************************************** > >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > >> *************************************** > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:12:52 EDT > From: GonyaJL@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d05.17e9a81f.340b2fd4@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yes, Isaac Van Wart's statue is in Tarrytown, and he is the one credited > with the capture of Major Andre. Isaac's son, who was also named Isaac, > married Phoebe Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster and Jemima Martine. > > Marmaduke is my gggg grandfather. His home in Pleasantville is being > restored and will be turned into offices, I believe. There was quite a "to do" > about whether to restore the old home or tear it down to build condos, but > thankfully, the structure was determined to be sound and so it is being > renovated. I don't know if they've finished the job or not yet. > > I have read numerous positive articles about Isaac Van Wart and I would like > to believe them. A cousin of mine wrote me that Isaac and his "cronies" > were not only illiterate, but were highway robbers as well. She didn't document > this statement. I did read though, that at this time during the war, many > people were hurting from lack of money, food and things necessary for everyday > living, and that some did engage in thievery, highway robbery, etc. Also, > it was pointed out that Isaac was only 20 years old at the time! (In those > days though, 20 years would certainly be mature and he should have known > better!) So there you have it! > > I might point out that Isaac had an older Van Wart cousin in the service and > he served with great distinction and honor, but unfortunately, the spotlight > has always been on the Van Wart who captured John Andre! > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYWESTCH list administrator, send an email to > NYWESTCH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NYWESTCH mailing list, send an email to NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYWESTCH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 274 > ****************************************

I also would like to know something about the Van Warts, so please reply online, or include me in your off line response. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Forshay <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 8:35:53 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] More About Isaac Van Wart Jean: Are you researching the Van Wart's? I have a few in my collateral line I could use some information on. You can contact me off line if you would like. Bill Forshay - San antonio, TX - billforshay@yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GonyaJL@aol.com wrote: I do plan on re-researching my ancestor Isaac Van Wart as a result of this exchange of thoughts and ideas. Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Sue. I will have to put the Greenwich library on my list. I keep wanting to get there anyway, so this should be an added incentive. It isn't that far from where I live in New Jersey. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 8:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) Barbara- I don't know if this is helpful, but I have been in the Greenwich Library and there are alot of oral histories there. I bought two, as I was raised in Old Greenwich, Conn. Maybe they can be of help to you. It is a very good library. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) >I am seeking the birthplace and parents of a Rachel Storms, supposedly born >11 October 1753, died 14 Dec 1837 in Stony Point, Rockland County, New >York. She married Lebbeus L. Knapp, originally from Greenwich, Conn, but >ended up in Rockland County. The Knapps and the Conklins intermarried a >lot in Rockland County. I also have in my database a Mary Van Wart >married to an Abraham Conklin. Their son James Conklin (1824-1889) married >a Knapp. And so goes Rockland County! Unfortunately I haven't followed >the Buys genealogy as I didn't know I would run into so many of them when I >first became acquainted with the name. > > Rachel Storms is said to have been born in Hopewell Center, Ontario > County, New York. This is clearly an error as Hopewell Center was not in > existence and the area not settled at the time of her birth. The same > story has her as an Indian princess in some convoluted manner. I give it > the same credit as all such stories--none. I think it much more likely > that she was born in Hopewell Junction, Dutchess County, which adjoins > Stormville. There are many Storms from the east side of the Hudson, as > well as some on the New York-New Jersey border. > > Rachel is not in my direct line, but I trace many old Rockland families. > I don't know where any of them came from--most are said to be from > Greenwich. Conn, area. My ancestors John Phillips and Sarah Knapp > (1721-1777) fall into that category. I would particularly like to know > anything about their background. One story has John born in Holland. As > you probably can tell by now, I give no credence to any of these stories. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "GonyaJL@aol.com" <GonyaJL@aol.com> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 5:49:14 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > Carolee -- I'm thrilled to learn that I have new cousins! I know nothing > of > the Storms, Conklins and Buys, although the Buys name seems familiar! > I've > come across it somewhere in my wanderings. > > When you have time, do send me some info on my new rellies! > > I sent a message a while ago saying that Isaac Van Wart's son married > Phoebe > Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster, who is my gggg grandfather! > > Isn't this sharing of material just wonderful!!!!! I was told long ago > that > you may find treasures hidden in someone's attic, picture album or letter > collection, that you would never find through any other way than through > sharing. I have found that to be so true! > > Jean > Florida > > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know if this will be any help, but there is a Vasti White Conklin buried in the Terry cemetery. Don't know how they would be related to the Terry family. M.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) > Barbara- I don't know if this is helpful, but I have been in the Greenwich > Library and there are alot of oral histories there. I bought two, as I was > raised in Old Greenwich, Conn. Maybe they can be of help to you. It is a > very good library. Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) > > >>I am seeking the birthplace and parents of a Rachel Storms, supposedly >>born >>11 October 1753, died 14 Dec 1837 in Stony Point, Rockland County, New >>York. She married Lebbeus L. Knapp, originally from Greenwich, Conn, but >>ended up in Rockland County. The Knapps and the Conklins intermarried a >>lot in Rockland County. I also have in my database a Mary Van Wart >>married to an Abraham Conklin. Their son James Conklin (1824-1889) >>married >>a Knapp. And so goes Rockland County! Unfortunately I haven't followed >>the Buys genealogy as I didn't know I would run into so many of them when >>I >>first became acquainted with the name. >> >> Rachel Storms is said to have been born in Hopewell Center, Ontario >> County, New York. This is clearly an error as Hopewell Center was not in >> existence and the area not settled at the time of her birth. The same >> story has her as an Indian princess in some convoluted manner. I give it >> the same credit as all such stories--none. I think it much more likely >> that she was born in Hopewell Junction, Dutchess County, which adjoins >> Stormville. There are many Storms from the east side of the Hudson, as >> well as some on the New York-New Jersey border. >> >> Rachel is not in my direct line, but I trace many old Rockland families. >> I don't know where any of them came from--most are said to be from >> Greenwich. Conn, area. My ancestors John Phillips and Sarah Knapp >> (1721-1777) fall into that category. I would particularly like to know >> anything about their background. One story has John born in Holland. As >> you probably can tell by now, I give no credence to any of these stories. >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "GonyaJL@aol.com" <GonyaJL@aol.com> >> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 5:49:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians >> >> Carolee -- I'm thrilled to learn that I have new cousins! I know >> nothing >> of >> the Storms, Conklins and Buys, although the Buys name seems familiar! >> I've >> come across it somewhere in my wanderings. >> >> When you have time, do send me some info on my new rellies! >> >> I sent a message a while ago saying that Isaac Van Wart's son married >> Phoebe >> Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster, who is my gggg grandfather! >> >> Isn't this sharing of material just wonderful!!!!! I was told long ago >> that >> you may find treasures hidden in someone's attic, picture album or >> letter >> collection, that you would never find through any other way than through >> sharing. I have found that to be so true! >> >> Jean >> Florida >> >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 > 5:21 PM > >

I do plan on re-researching my ancestor Isaac Van Wart as a result of this exchange of thoughts and ideas. I would like to pass this on though -- I have a copy of a deposition written by John Martine and his son-in-law Marmaduke Forster, to the government requesting reimbursement for the articles stripped from their farm by American soldiers. The document is in storage just now (I live in FL and have suffered damage from hurricanes over the years, so I store my "valuables" during this time of year), so I can't give you the date, but it's a fascinating thing to read! John & Marmaduke hid from who they thought were British soldiers marching up the road to the farm -- they turned out to be American soldiers! Do you see any connection between what those American soldiers did, and Isaac and his companions? One more, then I'll hang it up! I have a letter from my deceased cousin Kent Forster, who was a professor of history at Penn State. He wrote: " In Tarrytown, NY, there is a statue of Isaac Van Wort, another ancestor of Dad's. This statue was erected because he captured the famous British spy Major John Andre. Years ago I discovered in the local archives, that our ancestor, far from being the good Patriot, was a highway bandit who stole Andre's boots. When the boots came off a map of the fort at West Point fell out. Van Wart was probably illiterate, but he passed on the map, and Major Andre, to Washington and was made a Revolutionary hero. Poor Andre was hanged and made a British hero. Frankly, I have more sympathy for Andre." So that's it! This had been interesting, fun, AND has inspired me to keep on digging! Thank you all for your comments and suggestions, and also for discovering that I may have another "cousin" among those who have responded! Cheers, Jean I must however, quote a passage of a letter written to me years ago by my cousin Kent Forster, who was a history professor at Penn State. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Sorry to not have changed subject line! Thanks for the reminder! Jean ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

George -- I LOVED your denial of coming from the same line as the Hoyt who teemed up with Benedict in Canada! Hey -- I had the courage to admit being a descendant of a highway robber, and I've stirred up a hornet's nest! I have a murderer in my ancestry too, but I'll not reveal his name! Tee hee! Jean ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

This has been an interesting thread which no one will ever find in the Archives, folks since it is not titled Andre or whatever. Please, please can we have the subject line that apply to the subject matter. It only takes a moment to change it, hit reply and type in a new subject line. Have a nice holiday weekend! Judy W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Many people in those days were illiterate.....and during the Rev War both side "stole". The English and Hesseins stole from the townspeople and the townspeople and Militia stole back what they could. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Yes, Isaac Van Wart's statue is in Tarrytown, and he is the one credited > with the capture of Major Andre. Isaac's son, who was also named > Isaac, > married Phoebe Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster and Jemima > Martine. > > Marmaduke is my gggg grandfather. His home in Pleasantville is being > restored and will be turned into offices, I believe. There was quite a > "to do" > about whether to restore the old home or tear it down to build condos, > but > thankfully, the structure was determined to be sound and so it is being > renovated. I don't know if they've finished the job or not yet. > > I have read numerous positive articles about Isaac Van Wart and I would > like > to believe them. A cousin of mine wrote me that Isaac and his "cronies" > were not only illiterate, but were highway robbers as well. She didn't > document > this statement. I did read though, that at this time during the war, > many > people were hurting from lack of money, food and things necessary for > everyday > living, and that some did engage in thievery, highway robbery, etc. > Also, > it was pointed out that Isaac was only 20 years old at the time! (In > those > days though, 20 years would certainly be mature and he should have known > better!) So there you have it! > > I might point out that Isaac had an older Van Wart cousin in the service > and > he served with great distinction and honor, but unfortunately, the > spotlight > has always been on the Van Wart who captured John Andre! > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Benedict died in England a virtual pauper and his wife too. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > And later Benedict Arnold fled to Notheastern Canada and teamed up with a > Hoyt to build boats. (He's not in my direct line.) > George Hoyt > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara- I don't know if this is helpful, but I have been in the Greenwich Library and there are alot of oral histories there. I bought two, as I was raised in Old Greenwich, Conn. Maybe they can be of help to you. It is a very good library. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) >I am seeking the birthplace and parents of a Rachel Storms, supposedly born >11 October 1753, died 14 Dec 1837 in Stony Point, Rockland County, New >York. She married Lebbeus L. Knapp, originally from Greenwich, Conn, but >ended up in Rockland County. The Knapps and the Conklins intermarried a >lot in Rockland County. I also have in my database a Mary Van Wart >married to an Abraham Conklin. Their son James Conklin (1824-1889) married >a Knapp. And so goes Rockland County! Unfortunately I haven't followed >the Buys genealogy as I didn't know I would run into so many of them when I >first became acquainted with the name. > > Rachel Storms is said to have been born in Hopewell Center, Ontario > County, New York. This is clearly an error as Hopewell Center was not in > existence and the area not settled at the time of her birth. The same > story has her as an Indian princess in some convoluted manner. I give it > the same credit as all such stories--none. I think it much more likely > that she was born in Hopewell Junction, Dutchess County, which adjoins > Stormville. There are many Storms from the east side of the Hudson, as > well as some on the New York-New Jersey border. > > Rachel is not in my direct line, but I trace many old Rockland families. > I don't know where any of them came from--most are said to be from > Greenwich. Conn, area. My ancestors John Phillips and Sarah Knapp > (1721-1777) fall into that category. I would particularly like to know > anything about their background. One story has John born in Holland. As > you probably can tell by now, I give no credence to any of these stories. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "GonyaJL@aol.com" <GonyaJL@aol.com> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 5:49:14 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > > Carolee -- I'm thrilled to learn that I have new cousins! I know nothing > of > the Storms, Conklins and Buys, although the Buys name seems familiar! > I've > come across it somewhere in my wanderings. > > When you have time, do send me some info on my new rellies! > > I sent a message a while ago saying that Isaac Van Wart's son married > Phoebe > Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster, who is my gggg grandfather! > > Isn't this sharing of material just wonderful!!!!! I was told long ago > that > you may find treasures hidden in someone's attic, picture album or letter > collection, that you would never find through any other way than through > sharing. I have found that to be so true! > > Jean > Florida > > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And later Benedict Arnold fled to Notheastern Canada and teamed up with a Hoyt to build boats. (He's not in my direct line.) George Hoyt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Jean: I have a Marmaduke Forster, b: 1735 the son of William Forster and Jane Barnes. Is this the one you are talking about. If so, could you give me some information on him from there down, his wife and children and so forth. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GonyaJL@aol.com wrote: Yes, Isaac Van Wart's statue is in Tarrytown, and he is the one credited with the capture of Major Andre. Isaac's son, who was also named Isaac, married Phoebe Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster and Jemima Martine. Marmaduke is my gggg grandfather. His home in Pleasantville is being restored and will be turned into offices, I believe. There was quite a "to do" about whether to restore the old home or tear it down to build condos, but thankfully, the structure was determined to be sound and so it is being renovated. I don't know if they've finished the job or not yet. Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

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Carolee -- I'm thrilled to learn that I have new cousins! I know nothing of the Storms, Conklins and Buys, although the Buys name seems familiar! I've come across it somewhere in my wanderings. When you have time, do send me some info on my new rellies! I sent a message a while ago saying that Isaac Van Wart's son married Phoebe Forster, the daughter of Marmaduke Forster, who is my gggg grandfather! Isn't this sharing of material just wonderful!!!!! I was told long ago that you may find treasures hidden in someone's attic, picture album or letter collection, that you would never find through any other way than through sharing. I have found that to be so true! Jean Florida ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Jean: Are you researching the Van Wart's? I have a few in my collateral line I could use some information on. You can contact me off line if you would like. Bill Forshay - San antonio, TX - billforshay@yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GonyaJL@aol.com wrote: I do plan on re-researching my ancestor Isaac Van Wart as a result of this exchange of thoughts and ideas. Searching: FORSHAY (Forshee, Foshay) (NY,NJ,OH,WI,MI,France,Canada)- WILD, DREXLER,FLEISCHMAN(N) (WI,Austria) - BIERSCHENK, NELSON (Nilsson) (MN,NY,Sweden,Varberg). --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

Yes, Benedict Arnold was loathed, and for good reason! Such a shame though, as he started his career on a positive note and would have gone far had it not been for his flawed attitude in thinking he was not getting the promotions and attentions he thought he deserved. Benedict knew full well that whoever controlled West Point, controlled the river, and whoever controlled the river, controlled the country! We could have all been British now, had it not been for Isaac Van Wart! Jean Florida ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour