Maureen-- AMEN..... George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I vaguely remember the book was required reading when I was in elementary school.....but that was such a l-o-n-g time ago.LOL. There was also a movie recently about it but I didn't go. Maybe I should get the DVD if the movie was historically accurate.....or at least not badly mangled historically. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Washington Irving and the Headless Horesem > Ichabod sees the headless horseman for the first time when he reaches the > spot where Andre was captured. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <KHansen784@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:04 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Washington Irving and the Headless Horesem > > >> When I was search for information on the capture of Major Andre I came >> across an article that hypothesized that Washington Irving may have used >> the >> capture and subsequent hanging as the bases of his Headless Horseman. I >> am sorry >> I do not remember the address. I do know that it was an interesting >> article. >> >> >> Carolee H >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >> AOL >> at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Don't know about the history lists you mention. Can you send the HTTP's. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Hanna" <dsoderhan@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] family history vs world history effect of one on the other ideas anyone > I am looking forward to a good, intellectual discussion of family history vs world history...I would like to hear what other folks think about the relationship between world or local history and their family history. How did one affect the other? Can you see any themes or ideas from generation to generation? I have seen several .........religion for one is a continuing theme...the evolution within the family or the abrupt changes from generation to generation...and what was happening to churches in America in the 1600 and 1700s.... > You all know, I assume, about the history listserves on H-net...one is from Ct., another from New Jersey....they are there for free lance, professional and other history buffs, to share ideas about history and family....they are also a great resource for information...and idea...... > Deb H. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an example of what is one of many instances where genealogy forced my historical research. One can't write about a place in time without being pretty sure about facts. Since I was born and raised in New York State and had never lived west or south of Buffalo until a corporate transfer forced our move to California, and although I was a student and devotee of history [American History in particular] I still had areas of 'veneer' knowledge simply because I had no NEED to learn more. Such as Texas. The following is what evolved after I had to clarify 'the Texas Wars' into one-half page to go into our family history explaining this brief period of intense history to others [not from Texas] who would read these chapters. Alamo may be ALL they know about Texas--if that! It's a little long, but must condense 25+ years into a half-page. More importantly, it clarifies some recently popular 'myths' propagated by some and absorbed by others without seeking the kind of history search that at least, genealogy requires. A TEXAS HISTORY BRIEF Excerpted: The Handybook for Genealogists@, 9th Edition, publ. by Everton Publ., Utah 1999. The Encyclopedia of American Facts and Dates@, 10th Ed. NY: Harper/Collins publ. 1997 www.usahistory.com/wars/mexico.html "Gone To Texas!" In 1820 only a few thousand white settlers were in all of Texas. In 1821, when Mexico achieved independence from Spain, Texas became part of Mexico. That same year, Stephen F. Austin negotiated an agreement with Mexico to bring American settlers into the area. That first colony started on the lower Brazos River and consisted largely of former residents of Alabama, Louisiana Mississippi and Tennessee. The population quickly increased to 32,000 in a little over ten years [1832]. In 1835, the Battle of Gonzales began the revolution against Mexico. Texans won San Antonio, but Santa Ana recaptured and destroyed the small force at the Alamo. Sam Houston led the Texas army to victory over the Mexicans in 1836 and the Republic of Texas [the "Lone Star State"] existed from 1836 until 1845 when the United States annexed the Republic of Texas as the 28th state. The following year, Mexico declared war on the United States in an effort to reclaim Texas and other territory. Over 6,000 Texans fought against Mexico in the Mexican War. Mexico was defeated and gave up its claim to Texas in 1848 via the Treaty of Hidalgo, ceding more than 500,000 square miles of territory in what has become parts of California, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, almost all of New Mexico and Arizona to the United States. In return, the US agreed to pay Mexico 15 million dollars and to assume U.S. citizens' claims against Mexico--amounting to an additional $3 -1/4 million dollars--OR more than 18 million dollars. It was a tremendous acquisition, although it seriously aggravated the dispute between pro/anti-slavery forces. Seventeen years later --1861--Texas seceded from the Union. 60,000 Texans fought for the Confederacy and only about 1,200 for the Union. Three wars in that location and time frame stimulated this casual response when someone couldn't be found, "Dunno, must've gone to Texas." Coincidental with this period of developing history, Nancy Chipman Bacon's sister, Acenith Chipman married Allen Lovelace in Whitehall, Greene County, Illinois [1846]. Separately, the Chipman and Bacon families had come there from Ohio when Illinois became a state in 1818. The Lovelace families migrated from North Carolina to Illinois and Texas somewhat later-several of them stopping and staying in Texas. The young Lovelace couple was listed in the 1850 Texas census but parents Seth and Sarah Lorton Chipman were not. It was safe to assume the elder Chipmans traveled to Texas when the young couple did, but later--when we couldn't find Jacob and Nancy Chipman Bacon--we did NOT make the "musta gone to Texas" connection! Both the Bacon and Chipman families were in Texas in 1860. By chance as much later, the genealogical proverb proved true via a Chipman cousin living in Texas who proved that--yup, the missing Bacons really had "gone to Texas! This is historically significant because each of the Chipman's 5 unmarried daughters eventually married Texans at the time of two wars. Each of the 5 were widowed at least once. And except for Nancy Chipman Bacon--who in 1865 was enumerated back in Macoupin County IL, a widow living next door to her cousin Robert Lorton--the final resting places for Jacob G. Bacon and Seth and Sarah Chipman remain unknown. YES, for me at least--historical knowledge is a MUST for genealogical research! And I think this answer applies to question 16. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] question 16 on survey of family historians > First of all I would like to thank those of you who are answering my > questions about being a family historian. Your answers have been > fascinating, amazing and very helpful. > > I would like to add one important question- > > # 16) Have you discovered new historical information, or corrected > historically accepted information; has your research uncovered information > that would add important change our general present day understanding > of history in some area ? > > Also, I realize that some of the questions need to be reworded so I don't > get just a yes or no answer, but some more details. So if I have asked you > if you have a better sense of patriotism or a better sense of history or a > better sense of your place in history or the family, would you give me > some details. Thanks for all of the interesting responses. > > Tomorrow I will reword the questions so that I can learn more about your > experiences as a family historian, as I am getting some fabulous answers > from all of you. > > Thanks, Sue > > > > > > For example on question Do you have an increased understanding of history- > would you change it to In what way do you have an increased understanding > of history? > > And in the question- Are you more patriotic, please change it to "In what > ways have you become more patriotic? > > I am realizing some of my questions need only a yes or no answer, so if > you could give me some explanations, that would be great. Thanks again, > Sue > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ichabod sees the headless horseman for the first time when he reaches the spot where Andre was captured. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <KHansen784@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Washington Irving and the Headless Horesem > When I was search for information on the capture of Major Andre I came > across an article that hypothesized that Washington Irving may have used > the > capture and subsequent hanging as the bases of his Headless Horseman. I > am sorry > I do not remember the address. I do know that it was an interesting > article. > > > Carolee H > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't resist commenting on Maureen's "reparations" message. She is absolutely correct! We are not to be blamed for what our ancestors did! It might behoove certain ethnic groups to read a little history and learn that it was their own people who sold them into slavery in the first place! They might also learn that the Confederate flag had nothing to do with slavery! Jean ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Actually, the statue in Patriot Park, Tarrytown, is of John Paulding, not Van Wart--although all three names are on the monument. But there is a nice monument to Van Wart on his grave in Elmsford Cemetery, erected by the citizens of Westchester Co, which reads in part..."Isaac Van Wart was a faithful patriot, one in whom the love of country was invincible..." A funny true story on this subject, and then I'll stop... In 1870, some citizens at a town meeting in Dobbs Ferry wanted to rename the village in honor of Van Wart. One man stood up & gave a long speech in favor of this, and with a straight face, he suggested that the village be called "WART-ON-THE-HUDSON." Of course this did not happen, and three years later the town was named "Greenburgh." Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Yes, Isaac Van Wart's statue is in Tarrytown, and he is the one credited > with the capture of Major Andre.

An example from my family history. I had Thomas Borden who was a Quaker...in RI that migrated to NJ...still Quaker...but then a daughter married a Presbyterian and they moved to NYC...and their daughter married a Congregationalist from MIlford, Ct..... another example....What was happening in NYC and NY in the late 1700s, to influnce their religous choices? Were their actions common to everyone? Was it family or society influence...their religious choices? Deb D Hanna <dsoderhan@yahoo.com> wrote: I am looking forward to a good, intellectual discussion of family history vs world history...I would like to hear what other folks think about the relationship between world or local history and their family history. How did one affect the other? Can you see any themes or ideas from generation to generation? I have seen several .........religion for one is a continuing theme...the evolution within the family or the abrupt changes from generation to generation...and what was happening to churches in America in the 1600 and 1700s.... You all know, I assume, about the history listserves on H-net...one is from Ct., another from New Jersey....they are there for free lance, professional and other history buffs, to share ideas about history and family....they are also a great resource for information...and idea...... Deb H. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.

I believe I read somewhere that militiamen during that time were legally allowed to keep the belongings of people they rightfully challenged on the roads. And yes, there was a high illiteracy rate during that time in history. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Many people in those days were illiterate.....and during the Rev War both > side "stole". The English and Hesseins stole from the townspeople and the > townspeople and Militia stole back what they could. > > Maureen > >

I am looking forward to a good, intellectual discussion of family history vs world history...I would like to hear what other folks think about the relationship between world or local history and their family history. How did one affect the other? Can you see any themes or ideas from generation to generation? I have seen several .........religion for one is a continuing theme...the evolution within the family or the abrupt changes from generation to generation...and what was happening to churches in America in the 1600 and 1700s.... You all know, I assume, about the history listserves on H-net...one is from Ct., another from New Jersey....they are there for free lance, professional and other history buffs, to share ideas about history and family....they are also a great resource for information...and idea...... Deb H. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.

Thanks for the information. Only problem is, the dates you give are a century too late. Do they have anything earlier? Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Mert & Holly Kilpatrick <kilpatrk@epix.net> To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:10:18 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) The Greenwich Library also has the Greenwich newspapers on microfilm back to 1877, and indexes for deaths and marriages for it. The Greenwich Library is the nicest town library I have ever seen. It even has a little coffee shop in the basement (of course the Stamford Library (not nearly as nice) has a Starbucks and the Stamford Advocate back to 1840-something.) Holly East Bangor, PA >-----Original Message----- >From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare >Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:32 PM >To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) > >Thanks Sue. I will have to put the Greenwich library on my list. I keep >wanting to get there anyway, so this should be an added incentive. It >isn't that far from where I live in New Jersey. Barbara > >Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Greenwich Library also has the Greenwich newspapers on microfilm back to 1877, and indexes for deaths and marriages for it. The Greenwich Library is the nicest town library I have ever seen. It even has a little coffee shop in the basement (of course the Stamford Library (not nearly as nice) has a Starbucks and the Stamford Advocate back to 1840-something.) Holly East Bangor, PA >-----Original Message----- >From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare >Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:32 PM >To: nywestch@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Storms, Conklins, Buys ( was family historians) > >Thanks Sue. I will have to put the Greenwich library on my list. I keep >wanting to get there anyway, so this should be an added incentive. It >isn't that far from where I live in New Jersey. Barbara > >Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

Thanks, Carolee. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <KHansen784@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Washington Irving and the Headless Horesem > When I was search for information on the capture of Major Andre I came > across an article that hypothesized that Washington Irving may have used > the > capture and subsequent hanging as the bases of his Headless Horseman. I > am sorry > I do not remember the address. I do know that it was an interesting > article. > > > Carolee H > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I was search for information on the capture of Major Andre I came across an article that hypothesized that Washington Irving may have used the capture and subsequent hanging as the bases of his Headless Horseman. I am sorry I do not remember the address. I do know that it was an interesting article. Carolee H ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

It's hardly your fault, George. You had no control over what your ancestors did. That's something that has always irked me about "reparations" demanded by certain ethnic groups today who expect us to pay them for what our ancestors supposedly did to their ancestors. ....absolutely ludicrous!! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family historians > Fact is that Jesse Hoyt (Benedict's partner in the shipbuilding) and I > descend from the same Hoyt line 10 generations before me. He was probably > about an > 8th Cousin once removed. But I don't want to talk about that......... > George > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Which incident, Carolee?? Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <KHansen784@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] More About Isaac Van Wart >I believe the incident served as a foundation for the Irving's Headless > Horseman. > > Carolee H > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Joy....Thank you for responding to my inquiry. On the I900 Census Edward and Lizzie were living at 163 Buena Vista Ave. Yonkers, Ward 1 Westchester New York In the 1910 census Edward is a widower listed as a boarder living at 13 Hudson Street Yonkers, ward 1 Westchester New Yoek. Again thank you for your help. Tony & Joann ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Fact is that Jesse Hoyt (Benedict's partner in the shipbuilding) and I descend from the same Hoyt line 10 generations before me. He was probably about an 8th Cousin once removed. But I don't want to talk about that......... George ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Edward and Lizzie Irvine lived in Yonkers in the early 1900's. Lizzie Irvine born @ 1866 died in Yonkers between 1900 and 1910. Her husband Edward born @ 1856 died between 1910 and 1920 also in Yonkers. Am trying to find an exact death date and where they might be buried. Looking for cemeteries that were open in the early 1900's. Thank you for any help or suggestions you can offer. Tony & Joann ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I believe the incident served as a foundation for the Irving's Headless Horseman. Carolee H ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour