At the NYS Archives I have seen a register of prisoners from a prison around that time period. You could ask them if they have records of employees as well. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joann05@aol.com wrote: >On the 1910 census I have an Edward Irvine employed at Sing Sing. Is there >anyway to get further information on people employed there between 1910 and >1920? > Tony & Joann > > > >

In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:36:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Joann05@aol.com writes: On the 1910 census I have an Edward Irvine employed at Sing Sing. Is there anyway to get further information on people employed there between 1910 and 1920? You could try contacting the prison ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Does anyone have directories for Yonkers from 1900 to 1910. Looking for Edward and Lizzie Irvine. Might have been living on Buena Vista Lane. Thanks for your help Tony & Joann ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

On the 1910 census I have an Edward Irvine employed at Sing Sing. Is there anyway to get further information on people employed there between 1910 and 1920? Tony & Joann ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I am not changing the Subject line as this has to do with a Westchester Co. lady of Dutch descent! I am the ggg granddaughter of Margaret Teller, b. 1765 in Teller's Point (now Croton), Westchester Co., NY d. 1836. She was the wife of John Forster, b. 1764, d. 1828. They had three children, Mary, Isaac and Eliza. Both Margaret and her husband John (son of Marmaduke Forster) are buried in the Old Methodist Cemetery in Pleasantville. I am think that Margaret's parents were the John Teller that was born in 1734 (son of Johannes Teller, b.1693) and Margaret Stoutenburgh, also born 1734, but I cannot document this! Is there anyone out there who can tell me exactly who "my Margaret's" parents were? I've contacted the WCHS and they don't know! Help! Jean ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

>"Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it." George Santayana http://www.wisdomquotes.com/002322.html > AND >"History is written by the victors." Winston Churchill http://thinkexist.com/quotation/history_is_written_by_the_victors/150112.htm l >Both these quotes I've heard many times, but for the past hour I've been >prowling my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations and can't find the tag line to >pick up the writer of the quote. Perhaps someone on line will. Holly

Jan- You go onto rootsweb mailing lists; you write in the name of the mailing list and it will give you the administor's email address. I had to do it as one man sent me so many private filthy emails, that I finally sent her copies of them; she blocked him from the site. He is on all of the NY sites and is really a nightmare. She was in total shock when she read his emails. I also blocked him after it got really bad. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Miller" <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> To: "LISTSERVER, Westchester" <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Admin. Question > How do I reach the List Administrator? > > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Write to Sing Sing Archives. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Joann05@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] sing sing prison > On the 1910 census I have an Edward Irvine employed at Sing Sing. Is there > anyway to get further information on people employed there between 1910 > and > 1920? > Tony & Joann > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YES! And I have been to the Tredwell home in NYC--The Merchant's House. I have the background and story on it--but you can Google and get their website. It's at 29 East 4th St. down near Washington Square. Your Treds may not be my line of Treds, but there is a common ancestor in there somewhere--originally from England >> MA>>CT>>Huntington>>Hempstead>> gifting land to sons in Westchester as they married in the 1700s. Have you contacted Charlie Wall? He is the "Keeper of All Treadwell Information--a veritable Tredwell library More tomorrow--I have exhausted my self typing! Gonna go pick up my mystery and read myself to sleep. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Tredwell line > Jan- > Does your Tredwell line have any Treadwell's in it. I have Treadwell's > from Conn and NYC- Sue Treadwell, my grandfather's mother; her father was > Daniel Treadwell, and his father Edward Treadwell. Sue was born in > Brooklyn in 1870 and married William Fish; Daniel was born in 1870, > probably in Conn. His wife's name was Cynthia E. Edward was born in 1807, > probaby in Conn, and married Catherine E. > > I know there is a Tredwell home in NYC that is very old, but havn't > researched to see if there is a connection. Sue > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan- Does your Tredwell line have any Treadwell's in it. I have Treadwell's from Conn and NYC- Sue Treadwell, my grandfather's mother; her father was Daniel Treadwell, and his father Edward Treadwell. Sue was born in Brooklyn in 1870 and married William Fish; Daniel was born in 1870, probably in Conn. His wife's name was Cynthia E. Edward was born in 1807, probaby in Conn, and married Catherine E. I know there is a Tredwell home in NYC that is very old, but havn't researched to see if there is a connection. Sue

Hi, Sue: I haven't bought the linear theory. Human beings are not linear--they're 3-dimensional and react to specific events or incidents in a dimensional way. My theory is: Every Action has a REaction. I.E; Somebody shot the Archduke of Austria Hungary in 1916 and World War I was ON! If he had fallen in the bathtub would the same reaction have occurred? Think about it. Take the Texas Mexican portion of early history I wrote about earlier. **Action: Spain lost the war in Europe and therefore it's holdings in the New World. Reaction: Mexico, now independent, agrees to Sam Houston's proposal and permits white/Caucasian settlers in their Texas territory. **Action: Texas-Mexicans (note hyphenated racial designation) fought for independence from Mexico. Reaction: Lost--[Alamo]. **Action: "Remembering The Alamo" one year later, Sam Houston leads Texas' fight for independence again. Reaction: Texas wins, becomes an independent Republic and gains title "the Lone Star State". **Action: Texas requests admission to the Union--(probably looking for Universal Health Care)? Reaction: Mexico declares war on Texas/US and loses. **Action: Treaty of Hidalgo 1848, Mexico cedes 500,000 square miles (parts of CA, CO, WY, UT, NE, NM and AZ to the United States. Now here's the part currently being OMITTED........ Reaction: The US pays Mexico15 million dollars for the land and assumes responsibility for US citizens claims against Mexico for 3-1/4 million dollars additional. Almost 20 million in 1848 was a LOT of reimbursement and much better than the Indians on Manhattan Island got...... **Action: Texas entered the Union as a slave state Reaction: Fought in the confederate cause in the Civil War--and that one they lost. That's not straight line--merely change any action and the outcome/reaction would be very different. But it did happen; it turned out as it did--and that's HISTORY (no matter which side anyone favors). I pray to God that in this panoply of presidential candidates the one who has the historical background, skill, wisdom and most of all--leadership to realize there is more at stake than pandering to save a Senate seat, deciding serious issues by pollsters, or having 4 years of 'Ruffles and Flourishes" while Sight-Seeing The World on Air Force One is not a campaign to keep us safe. . Soap box again! I often get this way when the SF Giants lose! Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family history, pendulums and quotations... > That is what that book is all about. We have bought the linear theory of > history- that events occur in a line, having no relationship to the past- > that way you have no reason to learn from the past. That is why the > concept > of circular history is important. It connects you with the past so that > you > can understand where you are now and know how your ancestors handled > difficult times. Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Miller" <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family history, pendulums and quotations... > > >> WAITING for a pendulum to swing is passive and without the fire or >> ambition comparable to that of any enemy--or equal to our ancestor's >> passion. >> It doesn't express the will to try and change, stop or alter the motion. >> Do you know the 'joke' about a kid who asks, "How do you eat an >> elephant?" >> The answer: ONE BITE at a time. >> >> We've abdicated many of our freedoms simply by saying "I don't quite >> agree with that, but just that little bit seems okay. But then that >> little >> bit advances to another little bit, again, and then again, until the >> whole >> [freedom] gets GONE! >> >> Look back--that's how Hitler did it. >> Took him about 4 years to entrench, and that's what we're facing. >> >> "Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it." >> AND >> "History is written by the victors." >> Both these quotes I've heard many times, but for the past hour I've been >> prowling my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations and can't find the tag line to >> pick up the writer of the quote. Perhaps someone on line will. >> >> Observation: there is not much History being taught currently, but >> there's >> a >> lot of self esteem teaching--at least in California schools where >> everyone >> is SO UPSET when a kid doesn't pass our [NEW] "Exit Exam" for Seniors. >> In NY we called that "Regents". And it was strictly observed--no >> whining. >> Now they plead all kinds of handicaps preventing their passing-- >> bet you can guess what the winning handicap is... >> >> Jan >> jgrellim@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> >> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family history vs. world history effect of one >> ontheother ide... >> >> >>> Sue, >>> >>> Thank you for your beautifully written reasons for the drastic changes >>> we >>> see in our society today! Hopefully the pendulum will swing back one >>> day >>> soon >>> to healthier times. >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >>> AOL >>> at >>> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have any of you Civil War experts ever heard of Robert Eastham? One of my husband's great uncles, who was a historian, mentions him in a county history book. He was a Washington type man who fought for the south- it was impressive to read about him, but on the net, I googled him and came up with one closed reference site- looks like he might not be well known and his story is fascinating. Not knowing much about that war, I wonder if any of you have heard of him? Sue

That is what that book is all about. We have bought the linear theory of history- that events occur in a line, having no relationship to the past- that way you have no reason to learn from the past. That is why the concept of cycular history is important. It connects you with the past so that you can understand where you are now and know how your ancestors handled difficult times. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Miller" <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family history, pendulums and quotations... > WAITING for a pendulum to swing is passive and without the fire or > ambition comparable to that of any enemy--or equal to our ancestor's > passion. > It doesn't express the will to try and change, stop or alter the motion. > Do you know the 'joke' about a kid who asks, "How do you eat an elephant?" > The answer: ONE BITE at a time. > > We've abdicated many of our freedoms simply by saying "I don't quite > agree with that, but just that little bit seems okay. But then that > little > bit advances to another little bit, again, and then again, until the whole > [freedom] gets GONE! > > Look back--that's how Hitler did it. > Took him about 4 years to entrench, and that's what we're facing. > > "Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it." > AND > "History is written by the victors." > Both these quotes I've heard many times, but for the past hour I've been > prowling my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations and can't find the tag line to > pick up the writer of the quote. Perhaps someone on line will. > > Observation: there is not much History being taught currently, but there's > a > lot of self esteem teaching--at least in California schools where everyone > is SO UPSET when a kid doesn't pass our [NEW] "Exit Exam" for Seniors. > In NY we called that "Regents". And it was strictly observed--no whining. > Now they plead all kinds of handicaps preventing their passing-- > bet you can guess what the winning handicap is... > > Jan > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family history vs world history effect of one > ontheother ide... > > >> Sue, >> >> Thank you for your beautifully written reasons for the drastic changes we >> see in our society today! Hopefully the pendulum will swing back one day >> soon >> to healthier times. >> >> Jean >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >> AOL >> at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks,Deb. I went to the website just now and scrolled thru.... some of those topics look really interesting!! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Hanna" <dsoderhan@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] H-net hbistory lists and family history vs world > http://www.h-net.org/lists/ This is the main website for the Univ. of > Michigan lists. If yuo scroll down, you will see a long list of subjects. > Click on H-Connecticut or any of them. You will see the most recent > messages. Over on the left of the page is the discussion logs...and a way > to susbcribe. I found the Ct. and NJ lists fascinating. I don't > contribute much anymore...just ask questions but I read them all. > Deb > > Ed Maul <rowdyrebel@optonline.net> wrote: > Hi, > Don't know about the history lists you mention. > Can you send the HTTP's. > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D Hanna" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:46 AM > Subject: [NYWESTCH] family history vs world history effect of one on the > other ideas anyone > > >> I am looking forward to a good, intellectual discussion of family history > vs world history...I would like to hear what other folks think about the > relationship between world or local history and their family history. How > did one affect the other? Can you see any themes or ideas from generation > to generation? I have seen several .........religion for one is a > continuing > theme...the evolution within the family or the abrupt changes from > generation to generation...and what was happening to churches in America > in > the 1600 and 1700s.... >> You all know, I assume, about the history listserves on H-net...one is > from Ct., another from New Jersey....they are there for free lance, > professional and other history buffs, to share ideas about history and > family....they are also a great resource for information...and idea...... >> Deb H. >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's > on, when. > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, If you get stuck, there is a man who was with my genie group here for several years. He is a Stoutenburg and we found that a Stoutenburg was also connected to my Tredwell line. I will ask him if you need his input. He has been doing other things recently so he will not have it on the tip of his tongue. Also, I am not receiving a copy back of my transmissions to the List and I am wondering why. I receive all the others' contributions, but never know if mine show there. I put your address on the cc line, and need to know if you received it primarily via your own address. Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Dutch in Westchester >I am not changing the Subject line as this has to do with a Westchester Co. > lady of Dutch descent! > > I am the ggg granddaughter of Margaret Teller, b. 1765 in Teller's Point > (now Croton), Westchester Co., NY d. 1836. She was the wife of John > Forster, > b. 1764, d. 1828. They had three children, Mary, Isaac and Eliza. Both > Margaret and her husband John (son of Marmaduke Forster) are buried in > the Old > Methodist Cemetery in Pleasantville. > > I am think that Margaret's parents were the John Teller that was born in > 1734 (son of Johannes Teller, b.1693) and Margaret Stoutenburgh, also > born 1734, > but I cannot document this! > > Is there anyone out there who can tell me exactly who "my Margaret's" > parents were? > I've contacted the WCHS and they don't know! Help! > > Jean > > > >

How do I reach the List Administrator? Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net

Barbara- I agree with you- I found some original records in NYC and was just amazed. One thing i found was 7 letters written by my ggg grandfather who was a ship captain. I felt so possessive I wanted to swipe them, but of course I wouldn't. And I found the most fun legal records in the Old Records Dept, but they are so fragile-and someone traced me down and sent me 8 photos of my Swain family- bought off of Ebay and originally at a house sale. . What a find that was. And to go into my grandmother's childhood home in NYC was so wonderful, I took photos of everry little inch.There is nothing like seeing your ancestors writing on the original documents- it is so exillerating and so poignant. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Early records > I'm with Judy and George. I fid very little genealogy on the internet. > For that matter, I am not overly impressed with researching at the FHL, > although I still go there. Although the microfilms are wonderful, I would > rather find the original records in person, and am terribly upset that so > many are only available on microfilm. At least a microfilm of an original > record is a good source. > > I am such a purist that I really dislike abstracts of deeds and wills. I > would much rather have trasncriptions, or at the very least lenghty > extracts. Even the boilerplate language used often tells something about > the transaction that is totally lacking in an abstract. I spend all the > time I can on weekdays at county clerks and Surrogates offices copying the > deed and will books, then transcribing them when I come home. I don't get > nearly the time I would like as those are work days, but I take every > little bit of time available. For example, I have had to be in New York > County Surrogate's Court a lot lately so when I go I take as much extra > time as I can to go downstairs to the archives, even if it is only half an > hour. When I am lucky, I can squeeze in half a day, being there already. > > Today I spent in a family cemetery transcribing tombstones (I'm feeling > sunburnt). I have tombstones photgraphed from all over the place. I take > my laptop and my digital camera, and transcribe directly onto the laptop. > I map the part of the cemetery I am transcribing, or the section where the > particular stones are located if only doing selected ones, and photograph > each one. What I need is to figure out how to use my GPS to mark the > graves. Now I do a lot of measuring. My cemetery kit--always in my > car--contains a 100 ft tape measure and one of the old-fashioned folded > wooden ones for when I have no help to hold the tape. > > By always checking out what I find on the internet or in printed > genealogies, I have found many errors, most printed over and over as they > are copied repeatedly without anyone checking the accuracy of the > statements. The fun then is to first prove the error, and then determine > and prove the correct information. > > Yes, Judy and George, there is no substitute for good field work. It is > not only more accurate, but it gives you a tremendous high when you > finally find that tombstone, or that birth record, or whatever. I > recently saw a transcription of Newtown, Connecticut old records. I had > been to the town hall there and had seen and copied the records for > myself. The translation did them no justice. All nicely typed out was no > substitute for the original handwritten copies with entries all over the > pages, often rather helter-skelter. > > I didn't mean to get on such a soap-box; you just hit on one of my pet > topics. > > Barbara > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "GWGEHoyt@aol.com" <GWGEHoyt@aol.com> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2007 1:03:02 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Early records > > Friends-- > I agree with Judy. You cannot expect to find all of your genealogy on the > internet. It still takes the in-person on-site effort of looking at > gravestones, old newspapers, etc., which are not available on the > internet. I would > speculate that I have found less than 10% of my genealogy needs on the > internet. > George > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

WAITING for a pendulum to swing is passive and without the fire or ambition comparable to that of any enemy--or equal to our ancestor's passion. It doesn't express the will to try and change, stop or alter the motion. Do you know the 'joke' about a kid who asks, "How do you eat an elephant?" The answer: ONE BITE at a time. We've abdicated many of our freedoms simply by saying "I don't quite agree with that, but just that little bit seems okay. But then that little bit advances to another little bit, again, and then again, until the whole [freedom] gets GONE! Look back--that's how Hitler did it. Took him about 4 years to entrench, and that's what we're facing. "Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it." AND "History is written by the victors." Both these quotes I've heard many times, but for the past hour I've been prowling my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations and can't find the tag line to pick up the writer of the quote. Perhaps someone on line will. Observation: there is not much History being taught currently, but there's a lot of self esteem teaching--at least in California schools where everyone is SO UPSET when a kid doesn't pass our [NEW] "Exit Exam" for Seniors. In NY we called that "Regents". And it was strictly observed--no whining. Now they plead all kinds of handicaps preventing their passing-- bet you can guess what the winning handicap is... Jan jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] family history vs world history effect of one ontheother ide... > Sue, > > Thank you for your beautifully written reasons for the drastic changes we > see in our society today! Hopefully the pendulum will swing back one day > soon > to healthier times. > > Jean > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are problems with the net, though- I get the nuttiest emails from people I don't know who do things like thank me that I am going to give them a baby shower!!!!!!. And I have been harrassed by a few people. But>>>>>>>> I get so many miraculous ones that it makes it all worth while- so many amazing things have happened because of the net, . Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Early records > Yes, Judy, I agree. I spend many hours on my computer, but not on the > internet. It is on my e-mail in list such as this one where I have met > many wonderful cousins and friends, and engaged in fascinating > conversations, both of this sort and sharing information to solve a > genealogical problem. Barbara > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "WOLF6PACK@aol.com" <WOLF6PACK@aol.com> > To: nywestch@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2007 3:50:38 PM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Early records > > > In a message dated 9/2/2007 1:04:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > GWGEHoyt@aol.com writes: > > I would > speculate that I have found less than 10% of my genealogy needs on the > internet > > > exactly, but what I have found are some of the nicest distant cousins a > person could ever wish to have and some very wonderful new friends and > fellow > researchers. > > Regina & I were just chatting this week about how we met in person a long > time ago after helping a couple from England with their research when > they came > to visit the places we had located for them. > > Judy Wolf > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have also met some cousins as a result of the net. That is totally amazing as I have a very disconnected family- I love to dig up cousins. The net has given me alot of clues and assistance with deceased ancestors, but I have used libraries more. I had no idea, until I came onto these lists that there was actually as much as there is on the net. I love the old books about NYC and other places- old books are so much more interesting to read. Bye the way, if my email about the book I am reading was too heavy, please forgive me. Actually the book is driving me bonkers and I have to read it. It may be my undoing :-) Sue