Thanks for book information, I just ordered it. Thanks, Carol L. Heap

Carol, Sometimes book stores have these books (there are thousands). I bought a couple of books on Jersey City at the NJ State Archives Bookstore. BUT you can also order from the publisher http://www.arcadiapublishing.com/ I just checked .... this book on Sing Sing is marked 'available'. Hope this helps, Maureen in NJ On 2/2/07, cheap@simon.com <cheap@simon.com> wrote: > "I have a book, which you may have, called "Images of America: Sing Sing > Prison," by Guy Cheli (Arcadia Publishing, 2003), which includes the > following passage in the chapter on "The Electric Chair:" > > Deborah, I would love to get a copy of this book is it available to > purchase? And do you know where? > > Thanks, > Carol L. Heap > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

Carol wrote: >>Deborah, I would love to get a copy of this book is it available to purchase? And do you know where?<< Carol ~ Go to Google and put in "images of america: sing sing prison" With the quotes and all in lower case.....there were 13 hits. There are even some excerpts online :-) Dianne

"I have a book, which you may have, called "Images of America: Sing Sing Prison," by Guy Cheli (Arcadia Publishing, 2003), which includes the following passage in the chapter on "The Electric Chair:" Deborah, I would love to get a copy of this book is it available to purchase? And do you know where? Thanks, Carol L. Heap

Carol, I'm left at the edge of my screen. Do tell more about your grandfather and Crowley. Charles My Grandfather was a police officer in Nassau County, NY (on Long Island) on May 6, 1931, he was training a new rookie when they spotted a car parked on a dead-end street. He walked up to the car and told the couple to break it up and move on. As he walked away he realized that the young man looked familiar, he had seen him on a wanted poster. He walked back to the car to get a better look, Crowley started shooting, Grandpa drew his gun but it jammed & fell into the car, Crowley picked it up and managed to fire a few more shoots after he had unloaded his gun. The rookie panicked after he called in the shooting and took off. Crowley was cornered in an apartment in NYC, he was tried in Oct 1931 & convicted of 1st degree murder, he was electrocuted the following March (I believe) at Sing Sing. Tow Gun Crowley was a Al Capone want to be, who lived a short tragic life, the girl in the car with him was 15 years old and testified against him at his trial. I was given a box of papers by my Aunt when I started asking family history questions, I was able to fill in more details using the NY Times at my local library, the whole story was printed in the Times. My Grandmother was left with 4 small children, my Grandfather Fred Hirsch was only 31 when he died. My Father received his father's badge when joined the police department after WW2 and my Brother received the same badge when he joined the department in 1969. I am sure you could google Two Gun Crowley online if you would like to read more. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL

My Great Grandfather, John Ormerod, is the patentee of Patent #122642--for an "Improvement in Brick-Machines". I have a copy of the written description and a drawing of same, including his signature and those of his 2 witnesses--C. E. Swift and Fred. Seymour. (There were other patents issued in his name, but I haven't been able to return to the film source--near Stanford U.campus). I'd like to know where I can find more information about this manufacturing company--first of all, it's name; then, how long it was in existence--background on this Peekskill company --its years of operation, any employee records and items of interest that would enhance John Ormerod's chapter in my family history. The Ormerod family lived in Peekskill from about 1867 to 1877 when he and family moved to GreenPoint Brooklyn, where he was employed by the J. Matthews Soda Bottling Company, "suppliers of bottling industry equipment". He eventually became Vice President of the company. There are several pages of inventions credited to the Matthews Company during this period of time -- of which probably many could be attributable to him, but submitted in the name of the company. On censuses he called himself 'machinist-inventor'. Because the early 2-3 patents were submitted and attributed to him, I appreciate those most. The family lived in Peekskill long enough to bury two infant sons in Hillside Cemetery. When John and his wife died in 1912 and 1915, they were buried there too, as well as 4 of his widowed daughters in later years. I would appreciate any referrals you can make--and thank you. Jan Miller jgrellim@sbcglobal.net

I found these at Ancestry.com: Evening Gazette (Port Jervis, New York) > 1870 > August > 11 Peekskill has two police officers. Each of these has ( at least) one son. One day last week the sons indulged in disorderly conduct and the fathers had to arrest them, and each father was seen marching his own son through the streets to the lockup. Peekskill is ahead. Evening Gazette (Port Jervis, New York) > 1870 > November 12 Ancestry.com Two Fools John C. Paulding of Peekskill, made a bet with Daniel M. Conklin, of the same place, that Gen. Woodford would be elected Governor of the State of New York on the 8th day of November. If not elected, Mr. Paulding is to furnish a wheelbarrow and one hundred pounds of buckwheat flour, and wheel the same from the Custom House in New York to the Continental Hotel in Peekskill by way of the Albany Post Road. In case Gen. Woodford is elected, Mr. Conklin is to perform the like feat. Evening Gazette (Port Jervis, New York) > 1873 > July > 15 Another Wheelbarrow Match John Paulding, of Peekskill, has made a match with a gentleman of New York City, to push a loaded wheelbarrow from the St. Nicholas Hotel to the Morgan House in Poughkeepsie in four days. It will be remembered that Mr. Paulding some two years ago, on an election bet, wheeled a sack of 100 pound as of buckwheat flour from the Custom-house to Peekskill in three days. The match will begin on the 15th inst. provided the weather is favorable. So what is it with John Paulding and betting............. looks like John Paulding ( b. abt 1834) was a custom house officer living in Cortlandtown in 1870; in 1880 he is raising poultry. Back in 1860 he was a stove moulder. Judy Wolf

Carol: As a current resident of Ossining, I enjoy Ossining history. Your comment about "Two Gun Crowley" for some reason sounded familiar. I finally figured out where I'd read it before. I have a book, which you may have, called "Images of America: Sing Sing Prison," by Guy Cheli (Arcadia Publishing, 2003), which includes the following passage in the chapter on "The Electric Chair: "Francis 'Two Gun' Crowley was 19 when he was executed in the electric chair in 1932. He arrived at Sing Sing as a murderer and vicious criminal. Crowley became the notorious two-gun bandit when he murdered a police officer. While in the death house, he set his mattress on fire, fought with the guards, and destroyed his cell. Crowley was moved to a special cell that was isolated from all other prisoners on death row. About three days after his isolation, a starling flew into Crowley's cell. He fed the bird, and it kept coming back. The next day, Crowley agreed to behave if he could keep the bird. Crowley tamed the bird, and the bird apparently tamed Crowley. Crowley spent the remainder of his time in the death house drawing and sketching. He showed a talent for drawing, and his sketches were architectlike in quality." The book even includes a reprint of one of his sketches. Regrettably, the book doesn't name your grandfather as the murdered police officer, but I thought you might find the passage interesting, if you weren't already aware of it. Deborah cheap@simon.com wrote: > There will be some specific names as they relate to the topic. I'm not sure > > yet exactly which ancestors' names will be mentioned. > > Maureen, Please keep the list in mind when you get done, a list of > surnames would be VERY helpful to those of us who collect books on > Westchester Co, NY , I for one will order a copy of it covers any of my > ancestors. Thanks for all of the hard work. > > (Side note my Grandfather's (Fred Hirsch, NCPD) murderer "Two Gun Crowley" > was electrocuted at Sing Sing in 1932.) > Thanks, > Carol L. Heap > FL > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Will someone please tell me how to reach the list administrator? Thanks in advance. Jan

Nancy, I ran into a similar situation once and will relate a possible work around. First of all I really like Cliff's answer and would trust it implicitly, see how he takes the bull by the horns! He is full of wisdom and I value any comment from Cliff greatly. Now just in case you still get stonewalled by a clerk somewhere, here is another approach. "Divorce Records are Sealed!" So we're always told. That's true but before the divorce took place there were almost ALWAYS preliminary court appearances in which the nasty details got aired in public, and those records are NOT sealed. What you have to do is quite a bit of detective work, but they are open to the public. The cases might show spousal abuse, or infidelity, (the norm,) or for what ever reasons, and the court appearances will appear in the "Index to Civil Cases," (or a title close to that,) and you will usually find those huge index books in the County Clerk's Office. Once you find the names in the index, (surnames only,) and it is a little difficult and takes a lot of snooping, especially if it is "SMITH vs SMITH." You then can look at a copy of the transcript of the case and it will be VERY interesting. All the juicy details, the "other woman," is named, (probaly other man also but never have found a case yet,) and who witnessed the situation , addresses, dates, times, witness testimony, and so on. Better that television! I doubt many people are aware of this, but it will make for interesting reading. Good luck. Dick Hillenbrand On 2/1/07, Nancy Davis <ndavis1@san.rr.com> wrote: > > Hello all. Has anyone pursued "divorce papers" from somewhere around 1892 > - 1900. This could be a date of filing to the whole file; I really don't > care other than to confirm or deny there was a divorce or petition for a > divorce. I'm guessing - if true - the filing would have been in Westchester > Cty, Bronx Cty, NYC or Brooklyn. If you know where (or if) these records > are retained and how to access them, I will be most appreciative. Thanks > much, Nancy > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website: http://www.unyg.com blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG)

Try the Canadian Archives on line. http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-500-e.html There are databases for Upper & Lower Canada (Ontario & Quebec) might help you find if not your particular couple maybe some other families with same names. Would then facilitate perhaps narrowing down location in Quebec. And in keeping with the purpose of this list, I'd like to invite fellow researchers to check out a site which contains information on Westchester County Loyalist who settled in Nova Scotia in 1783. There is a list of approx. 90+ families who left Westchester under the command of Col. James Delancey. Debby Brown-Warren Join us at the Remsheg Loyalists - 225th Anniversary reunion: http://remsheg225.wetpaint.com/ -----Original Message----- From: nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nywestch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GonyaJL@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:06 PM To: nywestch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Need Help! Hello! Forgive me for deviating from Westchester County, but I am desperate and am hoping someone can come to my rescue! I am looking for the grave, or any death record, of a Francis Gonya (or Gonyea), who I am sure died in Albany, N.Y. He was born somewhere in Quebec in 1802. He and his wife Josette emigrated to the United States about 1832 and settled in Essex and Clinton Counties. They then moved to Troy, N.Y. and finally settled in Albany, N.Y. Francis and his sons were shoemakers and are listed in the Albany City Directories starting in 1862. The last record of Francis is in 1875, so I would assume he died shortly after. I cannot find any record of a grave, or burial. Where do I go from here? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Jean *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cliff, Thank you so very much! Your suggestions are great and I surely will follow through! I'm delighted that Albany started collecting vital records in 1870 -- I thought it was 1880 and so didn't bother to try to get his death certificate! Thanks again, Jean

Thanks a million, Debbie! I'll try that Web site. Jean

Nancy, The fact that "another woman" is named is meaningless. In New York until c. 1966, the only grounds for divorce was adultery. There were women who made a good living just posing would-be divorces in the entrance to a hotel room. It actually got so bad in Quuens before the law was changed that a judge announced no more divorces would be granted with that woman in the picture, which was supposed to prove the adultery. There are of course real stories. I recently got divorce papers from Massachusetts where the wife lived. They were fascinating, as not only was the husband accused of adultery, but it was proven that he had even remarried--without benefit of divorce. By the time the first wife caught up with him, he also had a child from the second marriage. The husband's own brother-in-law testified against him (husband of groom's sister). The divorce records included certifications of both marriages. Barbara Dick Hillenbrand <nygenes@gmail.com> wrote: Nancy, I ran into a similar situation once and will relate a possible work around. First of all I really like Cliff's answer and would trust it implicitly, see how he takes the bull by the horns! He is full of wisdom and I value any comment from Cliff greatly. Now just in case you still get stonewalled by a clerk somewhere, here is another approach. "Divorce Records are Sealed!" So we're always told. That's true but before the divorce took place there were almost ALWAYS preliminary court appearances in which the nasty details got aired in public, and those records are NOT sealed. What you have to do is quite a bit of detective work, but they are open to the public. The cases might show spousal abuse, or infidelity, (the norm,) or for what ever reasons, and the court appearances will appear in the "Index to Civil Cases," (or a title close to that,) and you will usually find those huge index books in the County Clerk's Office. Once you find the names in the index, (surnames only,) and it is a little difficult and takes a lot of snooping, especially if it is "SMITH vs SMITH." You then can look at a copy of the transcript of the case and it will be VERY interesting. All the juicy details, the "other woman," is named, (probaly other man also but never have found a case yet,) and who witnessed the situation , addresses, dates, times, witness testimony, and so on. Better that television! I doubt many people are aware of this, but it will make for interesting reading. Good luck. Dick Hillenbrand On 2/1/07, Nancy Davis wrote: > > Hello all. Has anyone pursued "divorce papers" from somewhere around 1892 > - 1900. This could be a date of filing to the whole file; I really don't > care other than to confirm or deny there was a divorce or petition for a > divorce. I'm guessing - if true - the filing would have been in Westchester > Cty, Bronx Cty, NYC or Brooklyn. If you know where (or if) these records > are retained and how to access them, I will be most appreciative. Thanks > much, Nancy > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website: http://www.unyg.com blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG) *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

Thanks, Maureen, I have read all sorts of glowing reports on Isaac Van Wart, most of them good, but I have also read that "those three scoundrels" were nothing more than highway robbers! In their defense, it should be pointed out that these were war years and people were having a hard time just surviving. Food was scarce as was money and other basic necessities so highway robbery helped to solve problems. Also, I believe that Isaac was only twenty years old! There are always two side to every story! Jean

Carol, I'm left at the edge of my screen. Do tell more about your grandfather and Crowley. Charles

Jean, The city of Albany is an unique place concerning vital records. Statewide, vital records weren't required to be collected until 1880-81. Albany began in 1870. If he died in Albany, his death certificate should be available, but only from the city office. There is no public index that can be searched. The fee for the certificate and search is $22 for a three year search whether they find anything or not. Note: Albany didn't start sending their birth and death records to the state until 1914. Marriage records were sent beginning in 1908. You can also try Albany Rural Cemetery, the largest cemetery in the Albany area. You can find information on how to contact these offices in my online "Guide to Albany Area Genealogical Resources." http://www.genealogy.clifflamere.com/Aid/ResSites/Guide.htm Good luck. Cliff Lamere ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GonyaJL@aol.com wrote: >Hello! > >Forgive me for deviating from Westchester County, but I am desperate and am >hoping someone can come to my rescue! > >I am looking for the grave, or any death record, of a Francis Gonya (or >Gonyea), who I am sure died in Albany, N.Y. He was born somewhere in Quebec in >1802. He and his wife Josette emigrated to the United States about 1832 and >settled in Essex and Clinton Counties. They then moved to Troy, N.Y. and >finally settled in Albany, N.Y. Francis and his sons were shoemakers and are >listed in the Albany City Directories starting in 1862. The last record of >Francis is in 1875, so I would assume he died shortly after. >I cannot find any record of a grave, or burial. Where do I go from here? >Any suggestions would be most appreciated. > >Jean > >

That's fantastic, Jean!! I knew from my research that he was one of them.....but of course didn't know that you were a direct descendant.. All three were just young farm kids. I'll bet they never expected to be remembered hundreds of years later. I have put you on my Reserve List. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <GonyaJL@aol.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Ossining > Maureen, Isaac Van Wart, who with the help of two companions captured > Major > John Andre, was my GGGG grandfather! > > Please reserve a copy of your book for me! > > Jean Gonya > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello! Forgive me for deviating from Westchester County, but I am desperate and am hoping someone can come to my rescue! I am looking for the grave, or any death record, of a Francis Gonya (or Gonyea), who I am sure died in Albany, N.Y. He was born somewhere in Quebec in 1802. He and his wife Josette emigrated to the United States about 1832 and settled in Essex and Clinton Counties. They then moved to Troy, N.Y. and finally settled in Albany, N.Y. Francis and his sons were shoemakers and are listed in the Albany City Directories starting in 1862. The last record of Francis is in 1875, so I would assume he died shortly after. I cannot find any record of a grave, or burial. Where do I go from here? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Jean

Maureen, Isaac Van Wart, who with the help of two companions captured Major John Andre, was my GGGG grandfather! Please reserve a copy of your book for me! Jean Gonya