Not me!! Also too, think of what a genealogical nightmare "grave-sharing" with strangers will be for future researchers!! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Reusing graves > Reused graves. I'd be happy to share my space with a stranger. I > should't > won't be there often, anyhow. Since my spirit will probably be in school > somewhere, learning what I should have learned while I had a body, I > probably won't get many days off. And I like company, so fill 'er up. > > > Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras > When one door closes another door opens > Marilynn > IBSSG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Reusing graves > > >>I think they have some nerve!! >> >> Here in the US we have to PAY for our gravesites and headstones and >> perpetual care. This does not come cheap!! >> >> That's like the gov't asking us to share our house with a stranger after >> all the years we slaved to pay for it and the taxes, etc......worse >> actually >> because at least when we're alive we can defend ourselves against >> injustices. The dead have no such recourse. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> >> To: <NYALBANY-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com>; >> <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:14 PM >> Subject: [NYWESTCH] Reusing graves >> >> >>> England and Wales are expected to run out of burial space in 30 years >>> even though they have a cremation rate of over 70 percent. Read this >>> interesting short story. >>> >>> http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap/i/629/06-05-2007/9cce000862b838c8.html >>> >>> Cliff Lamere >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >>> *************************************** >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 1379 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to ask this on the Westchester site, but I can't get onto Ancestry.com to get tech support. Is anyone else having problems getting into the website? All I get is a blank white screen. I am having absolutely no problems getting into any other website, email or instant messaging. I used it yesterday with no problems. Can anyone help me if it's a computer problem? Thanks and again, apologies. Wendy.

Carol, Poughkeepsie Rural has grown and grown. The grounds are quite beautiful and many couples have their wedding pictures taken there in good weather. My understanding of perpetual care is that the money is invested in a lump sum that draws interest like any other investment. Also too, that $25 our ancestors paid was in those days as much in percentage of income as the thousands that Poughkeepsie Rural charges today in percentage of average income. It is a pricey cemetery in relation to other non-denominational in this area. .....I assure you PRC is NOT going broke. My parents and oldest son are buried in St Peters. The perpetual care that Dad bought (it was optional) at the time of Mom's death in 1964 was for trimming of the yews on either side of the stone and trimming around the stone. They still do it. I go with a plant for Easter, Mothers Day, Fathers Day and my son's birthday (and of course a Christmas wreath.) It always looks neat and nice. I suspect that those who didn't pay get their plots taken care of anyway. Nothing is ever overgrown. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <cheap@simon.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Reusing graves > > Maureen, > >>I think they have some nerve!! > >>Here in the US we have to PAY for our gravesites and headstones and > <perpetual care. This does not come cheap > > I agree but remember some of our ancestors paid only $25 for perpetual > care > back in the 1880's, I have one grave that is supposed to get a flowering > plant every Memorial Day, the was $11.00 back in the 1880s, so if the > Poughkeepsie Rural cemetery is still honoring the deal it has cost them a > pretty penny since then. > > Thanks, > Carol L. Heap > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reused graves. I'd be happy to share my space with a stranger. I should't won't be there often, anyhow. Since my spirit will probably be in school somewhere, learning what I should have learned while I had a body, I probably won't get many days off. And I like company, so fill 'er up. Cha d'dhuin doras nach dfhosgail doras When one door closes another door opens Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] Reusing graves >I think they have some nerve!! > > Here in the US we have to PAY for our gravesites and headstones and > perpetual care. This does not come cheap!! > > That's like the gov't asking us to share our house with a stranger after > all the years we slaved to pay for it and the taxes, etc......worse > actually > because at least when we're alive we can defend ourselves against > injustices. The dead have no such recourse. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> > To: <NYALBANY-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com>; > <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:14 PM > Subject: [NYWESTCH] Reusing graves > > >> England and Wales are expected to run out of burial space in 30 years >> even though they have a cremation rate of over 70 percent. Read this >> interesting short story. >> >> http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap/i/629/06-05-2007/9cce000862b838c8.html >> >> Cliff Lamere >> >> >> *************************************** >> Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ >> *************************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1379 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Maureen, >I think they have some nerve!! >Here in the US we have to PAY for our gravesites and headstones and <perpetual care. This does not come cheap I agree but remember some of our ancestors paid only $25 for perpetual care back in the 1880's, I have one grave that is supposed to get a flowering plant every Memorial Day, the was $11.00 back in the 1880s, so if the Poughkeepsie Rural cemetery is still honoring the deal it has cost them a pretty penny since then. Thanks, Carol L. Heap

Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:59:29 -0400 From: "J.H." <hnunnie@frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] [ITALIANS-NY] "County Farms" or "Country Farms" << Anyway there are Country Farm Cemetery's all over the U.S. Thanks again for responding. June :-) >> Yes that is true . . . however, anyone expecting to get much genealogical information from a County Farm Cemetery will most likely be disappointed . . . one I have visited for the most northern county in New Hampshire, only has one large monument there, dedicated to the people buried there, and that was erected only in the last ten years or so . . . the burial ground otherwise looks like a large fenced in lawn with no other markers . . . it may only be fenced in because it is on the grounds of the County Farm, which is active and has cows pasturing next to it . . . Another I am aware of, also in NH, but much farther south, only has a small headstone for each person buried, with just the persons name on it, lying flush with the surface of the lawn . . . Again, hope this helps someone, Don Angevine Bethel, Maine, USA

I think they have some nerve!! Here in the US we have to PAY for our gravesites and headstones and perpetual care. This does not come cheap!! That's like the gov't asking us to share our house with a stranger after all the years we slaved to pay for it and the taxes, etc......worse actually because at least when we're alive we can defend ourselves against injustices. The dead have no such recourse. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: <NYALBANY-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] Reusing graves > England and Wales are expected to run out of burial space in 30 years > even though they have a cremation rate of over 70 percent. Read this > interesting short story. > > http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap/i/629/06-05-2007/9cce000862b838c8.html > > Cliff Lamere > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

England and Wales are expected to run out of burial space in 30 years even though they have a cremation rate of over 70 percent. Read this interesting short story. http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap/i/629/06-05-2007/9cce000862b838c8.html Cliff Lamere

Thank you for all your responses to my question. Marie, suggested I Google - "Country Farms Cemetery" (I added in NY) Many sites popped up that were not for me, but one was, it was for everything in Queens. That is where the family was from. When I clicked on Cemetery's - there were 21 & they showed up on a map of Queens. I wanted to print that page but the site froze! After two times I said the heck with it - ha (I do not want to ruin my computer). Anyway there are Country Farm Cemetery's all over the U.S. Thanks again for responding. June :-)

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:45:42 -0400 From: "J.H." <hnunnie@frontiernet.net> Subject: [NYWESTCH] "County Farms" or "Country Farms" To: <NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com>, <NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, <ITALIANS-NY-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c7ab09$70e045f0$01fea8c0@DJ2TNL71> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" << Has anybody heard of " County Farms" or " Country Farms" ? I believe in Brooklyn, NY. As the infant died there but came from Astoria, Queens. A 5 month infant of a g.uncle of mine - I found out died and was buried there in 1913. Undertaker is - D.P.C. - no address. Thank you, June :-) >> June, "County Farms" and also associated "Alms Houses" alternatively known as "The Poor Farm" or "The Poor House" . . . was the social system of its day before such things as Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid, etc., where the "indigent", not just the old, could go to live and be supported by the county. Sometimes, perhaps even often, in some places, if there were able-bodied folk, they could be sent out to to live with families in the county, the county paying the family for their support. In my genealogy experience, I have particularly seen instances of young children, even infants, being "taken in" by people in their early sixties, to raise them, as a source of income for the older folk . . . but, adults too were often placed in private homes/farms where they could be cared for. Hope this helps, Don Angevine Bethel, Maine, USA

I remember many years ago the "old folks home" was called the County House. Old people who were destitute and had no family or friends to take care of them went there. There were no nursing homes then as we know them now and no insurance to pay for such things. The rich went to "convalescent homes" or had in home help and the poor if lucky had someone to take care of them. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.H." <hnunnie@frontiernet.net> To: <NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com>; <NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>; <ITALIANS-NY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] "County Farms" or "Country Farms" > Has anybody heard of " County Farms" or " Country Farms" ? > > I believe in Brooklyn, NY. As the infant died there but came from Astoria, > Queens. > > A 5 month infant of a g.uncle of mine - I found out died and was buried > there in 1913. > > Undertaker is - D.P.C. - no address. > > Thank you, June :-) > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anybody heard of " County Farms" or " Country Farms" ? I believe in Brooklyn, NY. As the infant died there but came from Astoria, Queens. A 5 month infant of a g.uncle of mine - I found out died and was buried there in 1913. Undertaker is - D.P.C. - no address. Thank you, June :-)

Paul, Glad that you are close to a Family History Center. The number for the Yonkers City Directory 1888-1889 is #1698147 Item 6. You can see the catalog listing all of the material available from the Library in Salt Lake on your computer by going to http://www.familysearch.org Click Library. Click Catalog. You can then search the catalog by Place, Surname, Subject or some other ways. Glad to be of some help to you. Good luck in your search. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sabol" <pgsabol@yahoo.com> To: <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [NYWESTCH] City Directories Any recommendations on finding the LDS roll number that pertains to this directory?

Wow! I thought LDS only did birth/death/marriage records. I have an LDS a few miles down the road. I haven't been in one before, but I have 3 rolls coming from an old village in Austria to look at. Any recommendations on finding the LDS roll number that pertains to this directory? For that matter, is there a master index of all LDS film names? I'm sure they have tons more I could get something out of. And thank you for the offer of doing the lookup if I didn't have LDS nearby. Walter Dunderman <wdunderman@verizon.net> wrote: Hello Paul, There is a microfilm available from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah which contains Boyd's Yonkers City Directory 1888-1889. The microfilm can be rented at any Mormon Family History Center. To find your nearest Family History Center go to http://www.familysearch.org Click on Library. Click on Family History Centers. If you live very far from a center, I have one here in Upland CA just a mile away. I would be willing to order the film and do the search for you. Let me know. Walter wdunderman@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sabol" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] City Directories Does anyone have access to Yonkers city directories for the years from 1886 to 1894-ish > *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Hello Paul, There is a microfilm available from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah which contains Boyd's Yonkers City Directory 1888-1889. The microfilm can be rented at any Mormon Family History Center. To find your nearest Family History Center go to http://www.familysearch.org Click on Library. Click on Family History Centers. If you live very far from a center, I have one here in Upland CA just a mile away. I would be willing to order the film and do the search for you. Let me know. Walter wdunderman@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sabol" <pgsabol@yahoo.com> To: <NYWESTCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: [NYWESTCH] City Directories Does anyone have access to Yonkers city directories for the years from 1886 to 1894-ish >

Does anyone have access to Yonkers city directories for the years from 1886 to 1894-ish that could do a surname lookup for me. Internet search looks like everything is in Yonkers libraries, and I'm about 1,000 miles from the nearest one. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Cliff, Meant to ask a while back; How did your Concert go at Union College? Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: <NYALBANY-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYWESTCH-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: [NYWESTCH] A teacher creating genealogists > http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=595212&category=ALBANY&BCCode=&newsdate=6/5/2007 > > It is an interesting story about a cemetery field trip from today's 5 > June 2007 issue of the Times Union newspaper in Albany. > > Cliff Lamere > > > *************************************** > Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ > *************************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Denise, Thanks for the endorsement . . . I too am learning from you, inadvertently . . . after talking to you about spelling, and particularly the use of the "wildcard" "*", I got thinking more about my own use of them and wondered if I knew all I could know about the use of them on Ancestry.com . . . That prompted me to go looking at what they (Ancestry.com) had to say about that, and I found that I have been using them in a more limited way than is possible . . . I was only using the first three letters (minimum) of a name and the "*", but there are more possibilities, and there is a "?" wildcard too . . . Anyway, that all happened because I started questinging to myself, how you found "Pterhold", and without asking you, deduced that perhaps you used something like "*hold" . . . ??? Still don't know how you actually found it, so let me know if there is something else I'm missing . . . The larger message in all of this is to not be exclusionary . . . but, rather, be open to considering all possibilities until proven invalid/wrong . . . I still have more for you when I can get back to it . . . which is soon I hope, so I don't have to relearn what I have done! ;o)) I am very busy at the moment, and also fighting allergies that feel like I am drugged . . . lethargic and sleepy . . . Make it a great day, ~ Don Message: 3 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:43:43 -0400 From: "Denise Jones" <gtr96@comcast.net> Subject: [NYWESTCH] The importance of using spelling variations To: "Nywestch@Rootsweb.Com" <nywestch@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <030701c7a8a5$48477020$6e4bb445@yourd0f670b45a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I want to thank Don for all his assistance tracing my Weiderhold line. He has taught me the importance of variations in spelling and it made a difference in what he found to what I found. My Weiderhold's family name has been spelled Wedchoe, Wedhole, possible Pterhold. A Matthew I was searching was found spelled Mather by the census taker. The name George came once as Georg. I have used variations but never thought of these! I felt it was necessary to stress the importance of using several variations on names. I was only using Weiderhod/Wiederhold/Weiderholt. I will definitiely keep this in the back of my mind from now on and want to again thank Don. Denise

I want to thank Don for all his assistance tracing my Weiderhold line. He has taught me the importance of variations in spelling and it made a difference in what he found to what I found. My Weiderhold's family name has been spelled Wedchoe, Wedhole, possible Pterhold. A Matthew I was searching was found spelled Mather by the census taker. The name George came once as Georg. I have used variations but never thought of these! I felt it was necessary to stress the importance of using several variations on names. I was only using Weiderhod/Wiederhold/Weiderholt. I will definitiely keep this in the back of my mind from now on and want to again thank Don. Denise

Very interesting. Thanks for passing it on...I sent this on Walter Woodward's Ct. hist. list on H-net through the Univ. of Michigan. They are very interested in items such as this... Deb jonnie french <gammif@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks for shareing Cliff I wonder if any of those kids realized just how special a field trip that was. I would like to think the teacher had success in getting her point across to the kids / the meaning of the field trip... Hope it did with some. Sad they were unable to find Ellen Jackson's resting place. Jonnie Cliff Lamere wrote: http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=595212&category=ALBANY&BCCode=&newsdate=6/5/2007 It is an interesting story about a cemetery field trip from today's 5 June 2007 issue of the Times Union newspaper in Albany. Cliff Lamere *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. *************************************** Have you checked out the Westchester County GenWeb site yet? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/ *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYWESTCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.