Rose nose count. LOL You might want to check with the National Rose Family Association. Christine Rose and friends have been very active for many years. http://ourworld.cs.com/christine4rose/ Dick Hillenbrand On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear List, > > Daniel Rose lived in Easton and married a Kenyon. I do not know where > the other Rose households were located within the Saratoga Tax District > of Albany County in 1777. I am trying to locate the residences of these > seven nuclear families, which also bear the surname of Rose and were > living in the Saratoga Tax District in 1777. > > Behold my nose count for people living in the Saratoga Tax District in > 1777 with the surname of Rose. Can you add any additional information > regarding how these Roses are related? Have I missed anyone? Do you > have any additional information on their respective birth and/or death > dates or places of birth and/or death? > > Rose, Benjamin - (Taxpayer - 3/2 p.4; 10/23 p.7) 13th Reg AMC > Rose, Benjamin - (bapt. 1772 - Yellow Meetinghouse) s/o Israel Rose > Rose, Daniel - (Taxpayer - 10/23 p. 2) m. Ruth Kenyon d/o Robert Kenyon > and Ruth Barber - > he was from Rhode Island according to Johnson's History of > Washington County, NY > Rose, Daniel - s/o Mattias Rose, Jr. > Rose, Dorcas Freeman Burley - w/o Matthias Rose - d. 1796 in Ernestown, > Ontario > Rose Ephraim - (bapt. 1772 - Yellow Meetinghouse) s/o Israel Rose > Rose, Eunice - (bapt. 1772 - Yellow Meetinghouse) d/o Israel Rose > Rose, Handcock - (Taxpayer 3/2 p. 4; 10/23 p. 2) > Rose, Isaac - (Taxpayer 3/2 p. 13) > Rose, Israel - (Taxpayer 10/23 p. 11) signed the Wheat and Salt Petition > Rose, Israel - (bapt. 1772 - Yellow Meetinghouse) s/o Israel Rose > Rose, Jane - d/o Mathias Rose, Jr. > Rose, Joseph - (bapt. 1772 - Yellow Meetinghouse) s/o Israel Rose > Rose, Lucy - (bapt. 1772 - Yellow Meetinghouse) d/o Israel Rose > Rose, Mary - (bapt. 1772 - Yellow Meeting house) d/o Israel Rose > Rose, Matthias - (Taxpayer 3/2 p. 2; 10/23 p. 2) second husband of > Dorcas Freeman Burley m. aft, 1777 > a Loyalist, who removed to Canada > Rose, Matthias, Jr. - s/o Mattias Rose - a Loyalist and fled to Canada > with a wife and three children > Rose, _______ - w/o Mattias Rose, Jr. > Rose, Robert - s/o Mathias Rose, Jr. > > Any additional trivia or genealogical information on these people would > be greatly appreciated. > I suspect that I have at least seven (7) different nuclear families with > the surname of Rose living in the Saratoga District in 1777. Query: are > any of these nuclear families members of the same extended family? If > there is more than extended family represented by these seven nuclear > families, which nuclear family belongs to which extended family? If > there is only one extended family, how are the nuclear families connected? > > Thank you for you help. > > Leslie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dick, Thank you for the suggestion about the National Rose Family Association. I shall give them a try. Before I wrote my paper entitled "A Lawyer's Analysis of Burgoyne's 'Wilderness': The Saratoga Tax District, Albany County, NY" for the 2006 Conference on New York State History, I went through my data base and counted noses. In the process I created my "Saratoga District Population List" a/k/a "Appendix A". This afternoon I have been involved in a discussion on the Saratoga County e-mail list involving John Freeman and his sister Dorcas Freeman Burley Rose. After finding some additional information in Bob Freeman's book on the Freeman Families of New England, I took the opportunity to revise and update my "Appendix A" and decided to ask for help with my additional questions - hence the posting. The pun was unintended. "Appendix A" ended up being 63 pages long. However, my actual paper was only 8 pages long and took 20 minutes to present. Thanks again, Leslie Dick Hillenbrand wrote: > Rose nose count. LOL > > You might want to check with the National Rose Family Association. > > Christine Rose and friends have been very active for many years. > > http://ourworld.cs.com/christine4rose/ > > Dick Hillenbrand > > >

Leslie and all, I just put up a Blog article about the "American Archives" collection of Peter Force, which became the foundation of the collection of the Library of Congress. There is an online full text digital version that I linked to and you can search for many things about the Revolution. I just searched on the words Saratoga and Burgoyne, and got quite a few hits. These are all from transcribed manuscripts and deliciously fun to read. Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy Blog http://ny-genes.blogspot.com On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Dick, > > Thank you for the suggestion about the National Rose Family > Association. I shall give them a try. > > Before I wrote my paper entitled "A Lawyer's Analysis of Burgoyne's > 'Wilderness': The Saratoga Tax District, Albany County, NY" for the 2006 > Conference on New York State History, I went through my data base and > counted noses. In the process I created my "Saratoga District > Population List" a/k/a "Appendix A". > > This afternoon I have been involved in a discussion on the Saratoga > County e-mail list involving John Freeman and his sister Dorcas Freeman > Burley Rose. After finding some additional information in Bob Freeman's > book on the Freeman Families of New England, I took the opportunity to > revise and update my "Appendix A" and decided to ask for help with my > additional questions - hence the posting. The pun was unintended. > "Appendix A" ended up being 63 pages long. However, my actual paper > was only 8 pages long and took 20 minutes to present. > > Thanks again, > > Leslie > > > Dick Hillenbrand wrote: > > Rose nose count. LOL > > > > You might want to check with the National Rose Family Association. > > > > Christine Rose and friends have been very active for many years. > > > > http://ourworld.cs.com/christine4rose/ > > > > Dick Hillenbrand > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, Does anyone know anything about the Daniel Rose, who was a millwright and worked for General Philip Schuyler before moving to the Greenwich area ca. 1771. Daniel Rose's real estate was assessed at $100.00 on the October 23, 1779 Saratoga District Tax List. According to Johnson's History of Washington County, NY, Daniel Rose was originally from Rhode Island. Thank you for your help. Leslie Potter

Dear List, At the end of the French and Indian War, the proprietors of the Saratoga Patent and other land lords in present day Washington County advertised for immigrants to come and settle in America. Isaac Man, of the Saratoga Patent, boasted that he had "imported" 200 Irish families to settle on his land. The New York Gazette reported that on July 28, 1764, the Rev. Thomas Clark, MD and his congregation of 100 families had just arrived in New York City aboard the "Ship John". I have checked the Immigrant Ships Transcription Guild web site. Unfortunately, the ship list for the "Ship John" does not appear on the web site. Neither does any other ship list for the period of intense immigration, which immediately followed the French and Indian War. Does anyone have a list of names of the members of Rev. Thomas Clark's congregation, who came with him from Ballybay, Ireland? I had had a partial list, which a list member had kindly sent me several years ago. Unfortunately, I have momentarily misplaced that list in one of my piles of files. Asa Fitch published a list of people who were members of Rev. Clark's colony, but this list included people who hailed from New Jersey and other places. A list of lot owners in the Turner patent, dated 1789, was published in Johnson's History of Washington County. However, this list did not distinguish between those people who had come from Ballybay, Ireland with Rev. Clark and those, who arrived later. Has anyone on this list had any success in finding ship lists for ships arriving in the port of New York dating during the 1760s and the 1770s? If you have, where have you found those ship lists? It occurs to me checking the ship lists against the 1779 Saratoga District Tax lists would be a beneficial project. Any help would be appreciated. Leslie

Leslie: One thing you might consider is that ships arriving in New York during this time were mainly Dutch and records most likely were returned to Holland. May want to expand your search to include the language of the times. The LDS researchers have accomplished at least some of the Dutch records. worth the investigation. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear List, > > At the end of the French and Indian War, the proprietors of the Saratoga > Patent and other land lords in present day Washington County advertised > for immigrants to come and settle in America. Isaac Man, of the > Saratoga Patent, boasted that he had "imported" 200 Irish families to > settle on his land. The New York Gazette reported that on July 28, > 1764, the Rev. Thomas Clark, MD and his congregation of 100 families > had just arrived in New York City aboard the "Ship John". I have > checked the Immigrant Ships Transcription Guild web site. > Unfortunately, the ship list for the "Ship John" does not appear on the > web site. Neither does any other ship list for the period of intense > immigration, which immediately followed the French and Indian War. > > Does anyone have a list of names of the members of Rev. Thomas Clark's > congregation, who came with him from Ballybay, Ireland? I had had a > partial list, which a list member had kindly sent me several years ago. > Unfortunately, I have momentarily misplaced that list in one of my > piles of files. > > Asa Fitch published a list of people who were members of Rev. Clark's > colony, but this list included people who hailed from New Jersey and > other places. A list of lot owners in the Turner patent, dated 1789, > was published in Johnson's History of Washington County. However, this > list did not distinguish between those people who had come from > Ballybay, Ireland with Rev. Clark and those, who arrived later. > > Has anyone on this list had any success in finding ship lists for ships > arriving in the port of New York dating during the 1760s and the 1770s? > If you have, where have you found those ship lists? It occurs to me > checking the ship lists against the 1779 Saratoga District Tax lists > would be a beneficial project. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Leslie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, Hugh McGough sent me the lists of persons, who settled in the Saratoga Patent instead of continuing on to Salem with the Rev. Thomas Clark, MD. in 1765. These lists were published in two monographs about the history of Rev. Thomas Clark's Congregation. The books are entitled _Full Circle_ and _At the Ford of Birches_ > This lists notes that Moses McCarthy, Andrew McChancan, William McGee, Jacob Mohanney, James > Rogers, John Rogers, and William Stewart "probably did not go with the others from Stillwater." - from Apendix 2 of Nesbit's book Please note that ALL of the above listed men were Saratoga District Taxpayers in 1779. However, I do not yet know on which side of the Hudson River each of these men lived, i.e. Saratoga County or Washington County. > Other names with this note are: David Hanna, William Mathews, Moses McCarthy, Andrew McCrancan, William McGee, Jacob Mohanney, James Rogers, John Rogers, William Thompson, and David Tomb. (At the Ford of the Birches, page 183). In 1789, David Hanna was listed as a Turner Patent resident, however, I have no idea when he settled in Salem, Washington County. I have found no record of William Mathews. Any information about him would be appreciated. David Tombs served in the Charlotte County Militia during the Rev War. Again I have no idea when he crossed the Hudson. William Thompson lived in the Saratoga Patent (East side) according to Johnson's _History of Washington County_, but he was not a Saratoga District taxpayer in 1779. A William Thompson served in the Charlotte Count Militia. So both Tombs and Thompson were in the "neighborhood", but may not have crossed the Hudson at the same time as Clark. Unfortunately, I have been unable to get my hands on either _Full Circle_ or _At the Ford of Birches_. So I shall add finding those books to my "to do" list for next years research pilgrimage. I am interested in looking at the full lists for both those, who accompanied Clark to Salem, and those, who did not. Thanks for your help. Leslie