I am sorry, I should have been more specific. I am so focused on the 1770's in my Saratoga District research that I tend to forget that I have to be specific when talking to other people about Albany County Tax Lists. In 1779, Albany County was comprised of 17 Tax Districts. "New York in the Revolution as Colony and State" lists 17 Regiments of the Albany County Militia. Presumably, one regiment came from each tax district. The Albany County Treasure's records that John N. Bleecker created in course of his service as Albany County Treasurer indicate that in 1779 the Albany County Tax District were as follows: Albany County Tax Districts ** Albany County Militia Regiments City of Albany (3 wards) Manor of Ranselear Manor of Livingston Claverack Schohary Schonectady Coxhacky Kinderhook Saratoga 13th Regiment Schachtakook Hosack German Camp Great Inboght Half Moon Cambridge 16th Regiment Kings Ballstown 12th Regiment * Please note I have used J. N. Bleecker's historical spellings or misspellings as the case maybe. ** Please note that my research into Washington and Saratoga County real estate records indicates that the 13th Regiment hailed from the Saratoga District and the 12th Regiment hailed from Ballstown District. Edith Wells, of the Washington County List, has identified the 16th Regiment as having hailed from the Cambridge District. Can anyone identify which of the Albany County Tax Districts any of the other fourteen Albany County Militia regiments came from? Thanks, Leslie Potter Carl Hommel wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [NYWASHIN] Revolutionary war units > > >> I'm not sure of the timing, but at one time, >> Albany Co. encompassed a much larger part of NY >> state than it does today. A check on the early >> county formations and their dates might be of >> help. >> > > > According to the "Red Book", Albany County was formed in 1683. > Columbia County was split off in 1786. > Cumberland County was split off in 1766. > Green County was split off in 1800, also part from Ulster Cpounty. > Tyrone County was split off in 1772, and was renamed Montgomery County > in 1784. > Renssselaer County was split off in 1791. > Saratoga County was split off in 1791 > Schenectady County was split off in 1809. > Schoharie County was split off in 11795, also part from Otsego County. > Charlotte County was split off in 1772, and was renamed Washinhton > County in 1784. > > I hope this helps. > > Carl Hommel > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Leslie, I want to make sure I understand this correctly. The regiment someone enlisted in who was from NY was solely dependent on where they lived at the time? My GGG grandfather, Job(e) PRINCE, was in the 16th regiment. Does that mean he was living in the area at that time? Would someone explain the Patroon system a little bit more for me? What kind of information is found in these records? Would this be a good source to try and locate more information about Job(e)? I wrote to NARA and they sent me a copy of a payroll receipt, which was the only record I have of him being in the Revolutionary War. NARA also stated that was the only thing in his file. Darn these fires over the years that destroy records!!!! Thanks for the help. ~Annette > X-Message: #4 > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:14:34 -0700 > From: Leslie Potter <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYWASHIN] Revoltionary war units > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > There were 17 regiments in the Albany County Militia. Plus a company > named "Independent" Company. Each regiment was comprised of residents > who were called up from the respective specific geographic area within > the Albany County in which they resided. There are 17 Tax Districts > within Albany County. I have not yet correlated all of the Albany > County regiment lists with all of the Albany County Tax Districts. > However, I feel that it is fair to say that no man living in "Cambridge" > would have served in the 12th Regiment of the Albany County Militia, > which was from the Ballstown (Ballston) Tax District. > > In addition there was also one regiment from Charlotte County. (My > research has indicated that the precise boundaries of Charlotte County > are difficult to pin down. Charlotte County seems to have had a rather > Brigadoon like quality about it.) > > The other factor to keep in mind is that the Patroon System dominated > real estate transactions in the Provence of New York even after the > English took over. The Patroons leased land to settlers. They did not > sell land to settlers. Therefore, because the settlers did not hold fee > simple title to their farms, they tended to be more mobile than in other > colonies where the residents did actually own their land. (No one in > New York State got good legal fee simple title to their land until 1841, > when the New York legislature finally abolished the Patroon system. > > I have a copy of New York in the Revolution as Colony and State on CD > ROM and would be happy to do a look up for you. > > Leslie Potter > Glen Mills, PA

If you are looking for info on a Rev. War soldier and you haven't already done so, you might want to request a free DAR Patriot Lookup at the DAR site: http://dar.org/default.cfm If anyone has ever applied for DAR membership based on this man's service, they will have information about him, his service, his family, etc. --- [email protected] wrote: > Leslie, > > I want to make sure I understand this > correctly. The regiment someone > enlisted in who was from NY was solely > dependent on where they lived at the time? > My GGG grandfather, Job(e) PRINCE, was in the > 16th regiment. Does that mean he > was living in the area at that time? > > Would someone explain the Patroon system a > little bit more for me? What kind > of information is found in these records? > Would this be a good source to try > and locate more information about Job(e)? I > wrote to NARA and they sent me a > copy of a payroll receipt, which was the only > record I have of him being in > the Revolutionary War. NARA also stated that > was the only thing in his file. > Darn these fires over the years that destroy > records!!!! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

With the help of Mr. Ellis, I found James Miller listed on the 16th [Cambridge] Regiment NYS militia roster as James Millar. It listed the colonels as Col. John Blair, and Col. Lewis Van Woert. http://www.revwar75.com/ob/m246.htm#ny On this site I saw a NARA microfilm listing for "Van Woert's Reg't of Militia 1779-1780" but nothing for the 16th Reg't NYS Militia or that of a Col. John Blair. Is this the right unit? Revolutionary War unit rolls: M-246-77 Has anyone used these unit rolls and were they helpful? Did this unit go by any other name? What was the typical length of service in this situation? I would like to say how much I appreciate all of your collective help with this - Thanks for all of your time and efforts. -Mike

Yes, the 16th, or Cambridge, Reg't of Albany Co. Militia was under Col. Lewis Van Woert. (It was also called the 16th New York Militia.) Source: Register of the Empire State Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. New York: The Society, 1899 --- Michael McAlonie <[email protected]> wrote: > With the help of Mr. Ellis, I found James > Miller listed on the 16th [Cambridge] Regiment > NYS militia roster as James Millar. It listed > the colonels as Col. John Blair, and Col. Lewis > Van Woert. > > http://www.revwar75.com/ob/m246.htm#ny > > On this site I saw a NARA microfilm listing for > "Van Woert's Reg't of Militia 1779-1780" but > nothing for the 16th Reg't NYS Militia or that > of a Col. John Blair. Is this the right unit? > > > Revolutionary War unit rolls: M-246-77 > > Has anyone used these unit rolls and were they > helpful? > Did this unit go by any other name? > What was the typical length of service in this > situation? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Yes, the 16th, or Cambridge, Reg't of Albany Co. Militia was under Col. Lewis Van Woert. Source: Register of the Empire State Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. New York: The Society, 1899 --- Michael McAlonie <[email protected]> wrote: > With the help of Mr. Ellis, I found James > Miller listed on the 16th [Cambridge] Regiment > NYS militia roster as James Millar. It listed > the colonels as Col. John Blair, and Col. Lewis > Van Woert. > > http://www.revwar75.com/ob/m246.htm#ny > > On this site I saw a NARA microfilm listing for > "Van Woert's Reg't of Militia 1779-1780" but > nothing for the 16th Reg't NYS Militia or that > of a Col. John Blair. Is this the right unit? > > > Revolutionary War unit rolls: M-246-77 > > Has anyone used these unit rolls and were they > helpful? > Did this unit go by any other name? > What was the typical length of service in this > situation? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [NYWASHIN] Revolutionary war units > I'm not sure of the timing, but at one time, > Albany Co. encompassed a much larger part of NY > state than it does today. A check on the early > county formations and their dates might be of > help. > According to the "Red Book", Albany County was formed in 1683. Columbia County was split off in 1786. Cumberland County was split off in 1766. Green County was split off in 1800, also part from Ulster Cpounty. Tyrone County was split off in 1772, and was renamed Montgomery County in 1784. Renssselaer County was split off in 1791. Saratoga County was split off in 1791 Schenectady County was split off in 1809. Schoharie County was split off in 11795, also part from Otsego County. Charlotte County was split off in 1772, and was renamed Washinhton County in 1784. I hope this helps. Carl Hommel

Oops! I forgot to give you the URL for the David Library. Sorry! http://www.dlar.org/ Michael McAlonie wrote: >What units of Revolutionary War Albany County Militia (1776 timeframe) would have been from the Cambridge NY area? > >Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge to be in the 12th Reg. Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. Jacobus Von Schoonhoven from the Halfmoon NY area? > >any help is appreciated, >Thanks, Mike > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Mike: The other resource that I have used at the David Library of the American Revolution is Whites Abstracts of Revolutionary War Service Records and White's Genealogical Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Applications. Both works are comprised of five gigantic volumes, which make the Manhattan phone book look like a 90 pound weakling. I am not sure under what terms and conditions the staff of the David Library takes research requests, but I believe that they do. It might be worth your while to inquire of them. The following is information on how to contact the David Library. David Library of the American Revolution PO Box 748 Washington Crossing, PA 18977 215-493-6776; Fax: 215-493-9276 General Information E-Mail: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Research E-Mail: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Good luck, Leslie Potter Michael McAlonie wrote: >What units of Revolutionary War Albany County Militia (1776 timeframe) would have been from the Cambridge NY area? > >Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge to be in the 12th Reg. Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. Jacobus Von Schoonhoven from the Halfmoon NY area? > >any help is appreciated, >Thanks, Mike > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Mike The sixteenth regiment was from Cambridge. Edith -----Original Message----- From: Michael McAlonie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 09:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYWASHIN] Revoltionary war units What units of Revolutionary War Albany County Militia (1776 timeframe) would have been from the Cambridge NY area? Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge to be in the 12th Reg. Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. Jacobus Von Schoonhoven from the Halfmoon NY area? any help is appreciated, Thanks, Mike ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ********************************************************************* This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- Please immediately and permanently delete.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael McAlonie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 21:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NYWASHIN] Revoltionary war units > > > What units of Revolutionary War Albany County Militia (1776 > timeframe) would have been from the Cambridge NY area? > > Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge to be in the > 12th Reg. Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. Jacobus > Von Schoonhoven from the Halfmoon NY area? > > any help is appreciated, > Thanks, Mike A source that I have used is The Revolutionary War Rosters. They came from "New York in the Revolution, Berthold Fernow; originally published as Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of NY, Vol. XV, Albany, NY 1887; Reprinted for Clearfiled in 1999 by Genealogical Publications Co, Baltimore". However, keep in mind that it has been suggested by some that these Revolutionary War rosters may be flawed. In the Colonial times there was a Provincial law that said that all men between the ages of 16 and 45 had to be members of the militia. That rule carried over to the new States and when a survey of men in that age group was made for each town then they were automatically assigned to the appropriate militia group. i.e. they may have been on a roster but only if they are also on a muster roll or payroll as well would they have actually served. When I used this source I was only interested in information about Schoharie, Rensselaerwyck and Cambridge. I made my notes in that context so what now follows is incomplete with respect to Levies and Regiments outside of those three regions. My notes show the information in the rosters was as follows: Roster for the Levies. Levies were raised from the militia ranks for the purpose of defending the frontiers. These drafted militiamen, serving for a period of eight months or less, were posted at outlying blockhouses and forts. These rosters show who was allocated but may not necessarily show service. The Regiments of the Albany County Militia. These rosters show who was allocated to which regiments but may not necessarily show service. The 16th Regiment was also referred to as the "Cambridge Regiment". No return of the 16th as arranged in October, 1775, has been preserved. [I have three pages showing the roster for the sixteenth which I will try and send privately to Michael - image files will not post to the list.] Commisioning of the Levies. This provides the dates of formation. Roster of New York State troops. This provides the rank, regiment and company of the individual troops.

There were 17 regiments in the Albany County Militia. Plus a company named "Independent" Company. Each regiment was comprised of residents who were called up from the respective specific geographic area within the Albany County in which they resided. There are 17 Tax Districts within Albany County. I have not yet correlated all of the Albany County regiment lists with all of the Albany County Tax Districts. However, I feel that it is fair to say that no man living in "Cambridge" would have served in the 12th Regiment of the Albany County Militia, which was from the Ballstown (Ballston) Tax District. In addition there was also one regiment from Charlotte County. (My research has indicated that the precise boundaries of Charlotte County are difficult to pin down. Charlotte County seems to have had a rather Brigadoon like quality about it.) The other factor to keep in mind is that the Patroon System dominated real estate transactions in the Provence of New York even after the English took over. The Patroons leased land to settlers. They did not sell land to settlers. Therefore, because the settlers did not hold fee simple title to their farms, they tended to be more mobile than in other colonies where the residents did actually own their land. (No one in New York State got good legal fee simple title to their land until 1841, when the New York legislature finally abolished the Patroon system. I have a copy of New York in the Revolution as Colony and State on CD ROM and would be happy to do a look up for you. Leslie Potter Glen Mills, PA Michael McAlonie wrote: >What units of Revolutionary War Albany County Militia (1776 timeframe) would have been from the Cambridge NY area? > >Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge to be in the 12th Reg. Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. Jacobus Von Schoonhoven from the Halfmoon NY area? > >any help is appreciated, >Thanks, Mike > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Mike, "[21] A Pay Roll of Capt. Bigelow Lawrence's Company in Col. Walbridge's Regiment for service done in the alarm at Cambridge and Saratoga in July, 1781. <snip> Source is "ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783" prepared and published under the direction of Major General Martha T. Rainville, The Adjutant General, Vermont, Camp Johnson, Colchester, Vermont, 1998, Volume 1, page 398. Would you like me to transcribe one of the 45 soldiers listed payroll? However, this is later than the timeframe you mentioned. Jan Jordan <<What units of Revolutionary War Albany County Militia (1776 timeframe) would have been from the Cambridge NY area? Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge to be in the 12th Reg. Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. Jacobus Von Schoonhoven from the Halfmoon NY area? Thanks, Mike>>

I'm not sure of the timing, but at one time, Albany Co. encompassed a much larger part of NY state than it does today. A check on the early county formations and their dates might be of help. --- "Jan J." <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mike, > "[21] A Pay Roll of Capt. Bigelow Lawrence's > Company in Col. Walbridge's > Regiment for service done in the alarm at > Cambridge and Saratoga in > July, 1781. <snip> > > Source is "ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE > REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783" > prepared and published under the direction of > Major General Martha T. > Rainville, The Adjutant General, Vermont, Camp > Johnson, Colchester, > Vermont, 1998, Volume 1, page 398. > > Would you like me to transcribe one of the 45 > soldiers listed payroll? > However, this is later than the timeframe you > mentioned. > Jan Jordan > > <<What units of Revolutionary War Albany County > Militia (1776 timeframe) > would have been from the Cambridge NY area? > Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge > to be in the 12th Reg. > Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. > Jacobus Von Schoonhoven from > the Halfmoon NY area? Thanks, Mike>> > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including > the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. > Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

What units of Revolutionary War Albany County Militia (1776 timeframe) would have been from the Cambridge NY area? Would it make sense for someone from Cambridge to be in the 12th Reg. Albany County Militia, commanded by Col. Jacobus Von Schoonhoven from the Halfmoon NY area? any help is appreciated, Thanks, Mike

Source, Rutland (Vt) Daily Herald--Sat. July 19, 1930. W. W. MAY, 85, OF WHITEHALL,(N.Y.) DIES Masonic Funeral Tomorrow For D.& H.Veteran, Well Known Citizen. WHITEHALL, N.Y., July 18---William W. May, 85, widely-known resident of Whitehall, died this morning at his home in Gilmore street after an illness of more than a year.He was born in Whitehall August 1, 1845 and lived here all his life. For more than 40 years he was employed by the Delaware & Hudson company having been cashier in the Whitehall freight department. He retired from the railroad 15 years ago. He was one of the oldest Odd Fellows in Washington county both in age and years of membership having been a member of Whitehall lodge for 60 years. 40 YEARS A MASON. Ten years ago he was presented with a 50 year jewel by that order. He had been a member of Phoenix lodge of Masons of Whitehall for 40 years and was past master of the lodge. he was a charter member of Whitehall Rebekah lodge, organized in 1902. The Exempt Fireman's association and the Champlain chapter, R.A.M. He was water commissioner for one year and school tax commissioner for five years proceeding his death. FUNERAL 2:30 P.M. TOMORROW. Funeral services will be conducted Sunday afternoon at 2:30 o'clock daylight saving time at the residence and will be in charge of Rev. F. W. Vogell, minister of the local Methodist church and Whitehall lodge of Masons. Burial will be in Boardman Cemetery. He is survived by one son, Howard L. May of this village, a daughter, Mrs. William Wilcox of Troy, N.Y. and one sister, Mrs. David Whitehead, also of Troy, N.Y. His wife, Mary E. May died May 2, 1929 at the age of 80 years. The couple had lived together 62 years. After her death the aged man went into general decline.

*Announcement* Heritage Hunters of Saratoga County, New York, will hold their fall conference on Saturday, October 30, 2004, at the United Methodist Church at the corner of Henning Road and Fifth Avenue, Saratoga Springs, just off Northway (I-87) exit 14. The speaker is certified genealogist Amy Johnson Crow of Ohio, who is the author of genealogical articles and books, lecturer, and member of numerous genealogical societies. Her four workshops are: What Do You Mean, There's No Record?; Using Land Records Effectively; Census Substitutes for the 10 Years in Between; and Evaluating Evidence and its Source. Contact conference chair Joan Cady, 518 587-2978 or email [email protected] for more information and to register. Conference is $25 if registration is received by September 25, $30 registration after that date. Registration includes morning refreshments and a hot lunch. Registration begins at 8:45 am with coffee and an opportunity to view exhibits including that by Jean Nudd, archivist at the National Archives at Pittsfield, MA. The first workshop begins at 9:30 am. and the last workshop concludes at 3:15 pm. {Heritage Hunters manages the NYSARATO-L Mail List and the SaratogaNYGenWeb page.}

Could someone tell me physically where the East Cambridge or King Methodist Episcopal Church formed 1823 was located, and if there records are accessible either through LDS or otherwise? thanks, Mike

Hi, today my cousin, Evelyn Barbur, 93 years old, and a life-long resident of Ryan Road (formerly Beech Hill Road) said: * Langley Hill Road is named after Henry ("Hen") Langley, who lived at the house currently at 227 Langley Hill road. He was a farmer who had cows, goats, and a few sheep. And, of course, horses to draw wagons. * Mahaffy Road is named after Robert Garfield Mahaffy. The family was very strong Republicans. Mr. Mahaffy was a dairy farmer. He lived on the north side of the road beyond the old Roberson house that burned. Sorry, I didn't spot the current address of Mr. Mahaffy's farm. * Ray and Ryan Roads were named after families living on those roads. Bob Stromberg 399 Ryan Road Greenwich, NY

Yesterday I finished transcribing the declarations of intention for the Irish born from the 3rd item of LDS film #1304663 which covers 1860 to 1871. There are over 260 records and I have them linked on the Troy section of my website (URL under my name) and on the Naturalizations section of the Rensselaer website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ The good news about these is that the record included both the townland and county of birth in Ireland...the bad news, is the spellings of the townlands and counties make many of them hard to decipher...so, please read the research notes on the website. If you find your ancestor, go to the source film and figure out the names of the townland and county for yourself. Most of the counties are easy to figure out because there are only 32 counties, however, there are thousands of townlands. To help you figure out a townland, try using the 1851 Townland Index which is on line at: http://www.seanruad.com BTW, while this film is from the Rensselaer County court, there an quite a few records for Washington, Saratoga and Albany county residents, not to mention a few from MA and VT. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton