Chris, I think you might have helped me with my biggest mystery. I come from the Morris line of Abram or possibly Abraham born in 1808. I only have his mother listed as Sarah (no last name). He married Maria Van Vorhees. I know this is not what you are asking for but would you happen to know if this is the Sarah you mentioned who is married to James? Could this be Abraham's father? Lisa ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.