This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: robinson/robbinson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5RB.2ACE/1326 Message Board Post: Is there someone that has a copy of an 1875 map of Shandaken that they would be willing to share.I am researching the Robert Robinson/Robbinson family.Any info would be appreciated thank you in advance [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Frear/Freer/Westmiller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5RB.2ACE/1325 Message Board Post: I am looking for the parents, siblings and birth place of Magdalena Frear born 1813 in Ulster County. I did not find her in the Freer Genealogy. She married Simon Westmiller, also of Ulster Countyand they moved to Poughkeepsie, Dutchess county around 1846. I also am looking for his parents and siblings.There were Westmillers in New Paltz but I can't find the connection. I am also looking for Their marriage information and the births of their children between 1833 and 1844. Their son, Simon Peter was born in Centerville, Ulster County about 1843. I have not been able to find this information. I would appreciate any assistance.

Hi there, As to German RC church records in Rondout/Kingston, you might want to try St. Peters RC Church. Don't know if they will be of any help or not. There are also the cemeteries, St. Peter's, St. Mary's, Montrepose and Wiltwyck.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Weed, Bullard, Gardner Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5RB.2ACE/1324.2 Message Board Post: You may want to try the Times Herald Record from Middletown, NY or the Kingston Freeman from Kingston, NY. Those 2 papers should have an obit. Good Luck, Jack

George Anderson (also shows as Andries) was a Revolutionary Soldier from Ulster Co. Records indicate he served from 1775 through 1782 in Militia, 3rd New York Regiment and Pawlings Levies. Married Elizabeth Kern abt 15 Jan 1778. Married by Silas Banker - anyone have a clue who this is? Possibly a civil marriage or a traveling minister? First three childrem baptized in Shawangunk 1778-1782 Elizabeth may have been daughter of Jacob Kern Later - mid 1780's moved to Bedford Co, Pa and died in McKeesport 1823. Anyone working on this line or can help with the Anderson, Andries name variation. The following taken from Clinton Papers Vol III ==================================================================== With the original spelling from paper # 1652 picking up in the middle of the report. George Andries and Jacob Oosterhout the two men that Where Lately tacken prisoners at Leckawack have made their Escape. Thay Where on there Way to Niagara and Within tweenty miles of that place under the care of a Mowhack Chief (Who Commanded the party that Where at Leckawack), and two other Indians; Oosterhout, a Weakly man, Was Not able to march as fast as the Indians. They Were Resolved the Next Day to kill him and take his Scalp. Andries Informing Oosterhout of their Design and askt him if he Could Do Something for him Self; Oosterhout Said he Could Not. Andries then advised him to Lye Still. When thay Went to Sleep Andries as usual Was put Between the two young Indians, the Capt., or Chief With two Squaws on the other Side of the fire. When Andries found that thay Where asleep he got the ax Which he had prepared for that purpose and With it Laid his two Bedfellows much Sounder asleep then they Where Before. When getting across the fire in order to Let the Capt. Shear the same fate, he Started awake But Andries Handling his ax So Well that the third Blow Laid him asleep also; the Squaws made their Escape. Andries Came in With Oosterhout at this place, the nineteenth Day after he had performed this Exploit, with Near the Vallue of one hundred pounds Worth of plunder on his Back; had When they Set out on their Jorney 2 Quarts of Sinnemon and 5 young Ducks. He Can give But Little Information of the Enemy. By the Best account I have there is But Few Near our Quarter. (Rest not applicable) Your Most Obedient Hum. Ser't John Cantine Later we have document #1697 titled "George Anderson Seeks His Stolen Mare" Poughkeepsie Aug't 26th 1778 Gent. George Anderson, who lately made his Escape from Captivity, has waited on his Excellency the Gov'r & acquainted him that the Party under your Command had taken his Mare from Papapunk & that she is to be exposed to sale with several others on Fryday next, & requested of his Excellency an Order that she may be delivered to him as he is much distressed for want of her. His Excellency, therefore has directed me in his name, to request that you cause the mare to be delivered to him on his making application for her. I am &c. Robert Benson, A.D.C. To Capt. Van Kuren & Capt. Nicolls Anyone know where Hunk (also spelled Hunck) and Papapunk are located?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bruck, Recktenwald, Reiss, Derrenbacher, Rohrig Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5RB.2ACE/1162.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for the information on Fr. Raufeisen. How did you find the marriage information? Did you contact St. Andrew's?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BEVIER, BROAS, COLEMAN, DUBOIS, DRAKE, KORTRIGHT, OSTRANDER, SMAILES, VERNOOY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5RB.2ACE/1324.1 Message Board Post: The Ellenville Public Library has a local history room where they keep obituaries on file by surname. However, the local history room is currently closed as it is every year from the middle of December to the middle of April. You might try contacting the library and see if a staff member or volunteer looks up obituaries in their 'off season'. There is sure to be a fee, but I am sure it wouldn't be much. Good Luck. ~ Nancy Coleman-Bello ~

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Heidrich, Zimmer, Scheele, Albrecht Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5RB.2ACE/1162.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Father John Raufeisen married my gggrandfather in St. Mary's Church, Ellenville in 1855. He was listed as rector. St. Mary's became St. Andrew's some time before 1893. The marrage records that you are looking for could be at St. Andrew's, Ellenton. If you find them there please let me know.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5RB.2ACE/1162.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Jean, You mentioned that Recktenwald and Derrenbacher were prominent names in Urxeweiler. Have you come across Bruck and Reiss as well? Not familiar with resources available for that area. Can you point me in the right direction? Also, did you try St.Mary's for early German marriages and baptisms? I had no luck. They said it has always been an Irish parish and they had no German records. A long time ago, I read that a german priest would come up to the area to perform sacraments for the German population. Think it was the late 1840's through the 1850's or at least until St Peter's was built. His name was Father Raufeissen - spelling not exact. He may have been Pastor of St Peter's for awhile. Since he performed the sacraments while assigned at another parish, the records would be at his home parish. Problem is I couldn't figure out where that was. He may have kept the register himself. Can't imagine what happened to it. Let me know if you have found a source for the early German RC records for Rondout and Kingston.

Need help with these two surnames in the Kingston area of Ulster county. They may have come from the same town in Alsace-Lorraine/Rheinland area. More than likely the upper part as it is believed they left from Antwerp, Belgium rather than Le Harve. I am trying to pinpoint the town. If you have a connection to either Recktenwald or Reiss, perhaps we can figure out the town together. Deborah

In a message dated 1/17/04 1:34:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << I'm trying to determine when Jane (or Janneken) VanWagenen, who supposedly married Edward Lounsbury, died. She may be the mother of my Richard Lounsbury, born March 5, 1768 in M >> Hello, I wish I could help you but I can't. I was wondering if you have any other information on the Lounsberry (and other spellings)? My mother was born Carrie Marie Lounsberry in 1912 in Riverside (Near Binghamton), Broome County, NY, to Wilbur Lounsberry and Marie C. Hayes Lounsberry. There were siblings, John Clarence, Ernest and Frederick. The children ended up in the Susquehanna Valley Home Orphanage in 1915 because of my grandmother being an unfit mother. Wilbur disappears after this, never to be heard from again. According to the papers the orphanage had, he was born in Brookdale, Pa. In about 1940 my mother found her brothers and birth mother again and I met them and remember going to my grandmother's funeral. The siblings were close after that, except for Frederick and the only thing I know about him is that he died young. It would be fantastic if you had any clues to my grandfather. Maybe we have been in contact before. Your name does look familiar to me. Thanks ever so much, Elaine Decker

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ALDERTON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5RB.2ACE/1324 Message Board Post: I am trying to locate an obituary for Earl ALDERTON who died in Wawarsing, NY in March of 1967. I have written to the town clerk and she cannot release any information on the death certificate unless I am a direct descendent. She did confirm that she had a certificate on file. Does anyone know of a newspaper that I may contact thay may have carried his obit?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5RB.2ACE/609.1 Message Board Post: John, Peter Dolson-Rachel Quimby children were: Betsy b.1700, Abigail(Abby) b.1809, Jane Polly b.1813, Shepherd b.1809, Allen b.1804 (my ancestor), and John b. 1816. I hope this has helped you. Addie

Regarding the marriage records held by County Clerks in New York State and veterans discharge papers, both of which are now removed from public access in Ulster County, here's an update..... I spoke yesterday with the Ulster County Director of Veterans Service Agency. First, let me say that I know the director to be an honorable person and a dedicated public servant. He was unaware that the records had been removed from public access, but does recall having conversations with county officials regarding the unrestricted public access to these discharge papers. His concerns stem from documented cases of identity theft which has now caused reluctance of veterans to file a copy of their papers with the county. It seems that the discharge papers, from about the 1960's to present, contain social security numbers and other personal information not included in the older papers. My personal opinion is that removal of these records is quite justified. I've also learned that these records are being removed nationwide, however there does not seem to be any allowance for access to the older records which do not include such personal information. Regarding the marriage records, I requested and received a copy of the directive removing these records from public access. The directive comes from the office of Robert W. Arnold III, New York State Archives, Government Records Services, Cultural Education Center, Albany, NY 12230. The directive is addressed to the Ulster County Records Management Officer, apparently clarifying a previous bulletin which outlined which vital records do and do not come under the jurisdiction of the State Department of Health. Following are the pertinent excerpts of that directive: "These records were first maintained in 1908 following the passage of a law requiring county clerks to maintain indices or registers of marriages and forward the actual certificates to the State Department of Health. This requirement was abolished in 1926 but some county clerks continued to maintain these summary records into the 1930s." "The State Archives has communicated with both Robert Freeman, Executive Director of the Committee on Open Government, New York Department of State, and Peter Carucci, Director of Vital Records, New York State Department of Health." "We are all in agreement regarding the confidentiality of these records. These registers or indices may or may not come under the jurisdiction of the State Department of Health, depending on what information they contain. If they merely contain names of the persons involved, the date of the license and the city or town in which it was issued, they should be treated like any other publicly-accessible county records in regard to access and reproduction." "If they contain additional information on the marriage applicants, they are subject to the provisions of Sections 19 and 20 of the Domestic Relations Law. Likewise, if copies of any actual marriage certificates have been retained by county clerks, these certificates would be subject to the same statutory provisions. While certified and uncertified copies may be made from these records, they are confidential to the extent that they may not be made available for unrestricted public inspection. Counties may create indices or other finding aids to these ledgers that the public may review so long as these indices contain only the names of the persons involved, the dates of the licenses and the municipalities in which they were issued." End of quotes. I hope the above clarifies the source and basis for the removal of these records. I have read the above time and time again, and have read the referenced sections of the Domestic Relations Law. I can only conclude that what's being said here is that you can have the information but you're going to have to pay for it....and pay dearly you will in New York State. Regards, Virginia

I'm trying to determine when Jane (or Janneken) VanWagenen, who supposedly married Edward Lounsbury, died. She may be the mother of my Richard Lounsbury, born March 5, 1768 in Marbletown/Stone Ridge. There are various accounts about who his mother was, but she was either Jane VanWagenen or Elizabeth Keator. I decided that if I could find out when Jane VanWagenen died, I would know whether or not she could be the mother of Richard Lounsbury. There is some debate about Edward's 3 wives. Some researcher say that he never married Jane VanWagenen and some say that he married her first and they had at least one child, my ancestor, Richard Lounsbury. His second wife was Elizabeth Keator and his third wife was Jane Dubois. The DAR Patriot Index lists the 3 wives in that order. The book Three Centuries of the Keator Family in America states that Elisabeth Keator (born in Marbletown and baptised 30 April 1738 and died circa 1778) married Edward Lounsbury and that their first child was Richard, born 5 March 1768. Of course it could be that Richard was Jane's child and Elizabeth just "adopted" him as her own. I haven't found a marriage or a death record for Jane VanWagenein, so I can't lay this controversy to rest yet. Can someone look up in Gravestones of Ulster County or some reference work and see when Jane VanWagenen died? She apparently was the daughter of Aert VanWagenen and Rebecca VanWagenen. I appreciate any assistance and insight into this problem. Thanks. Ann Lounsbery Owens, Seattle WA [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hutton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5RB.2ACE/1263.1 Message Board Post: There was a Hutton family living in Malden. Their name is on some bricks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: North, Bush, Turner, Markel Classification: Will Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5RB.2ACE/1323 Message Board Post: Transcribed from SAMPUBCO copy by Carol M Staats At a Surrogate's Court Held in and for the County of Ulster, at the Surrogate's Office, in the City of Kingston, in the 4th day of August, 1890. Present Hon. Oliver P. Carpenter, Surrogate. The Last Will and Testament of Uriah North was admitted to probate and proved as a Will of real and personal estate, which together with the proofs in relation thereto, are as follows. I Uriah North of the town of Hurley, in the County of Ulster and State of New York being of sound mind and memory do make ordain publish and declare this to be my last Will and Testament, that is to say: First: After all my lawful debts are paid and discharged I give, devise and bequeath to my wife, Charlotte North the sum of Three Hundred Dollars, to be paid her out of my Estate by my herin after named Executor within 2 years after my decease, to be hers forever and the same to be in lieu of Dower. Second: I give devise and bequeath to my daughter, Amanda North, all the rest and residue of my Estate, both real and personal to be hers forever, and do hereby authorize my hereinafter named Executor to sell and dispose of all the Real Estate held by me at the time of my decease, if in his judgment, and the judgment of my said daughter, Amanda, it shall be advisable to do so, and to execute all needful conveyance therefore. Likewise, I make, constitute and appoint Henry C Bush, of the town of Hurley in the County of Ulster and State of New York, to be Executor of this my last Will and testament, hereby revoking all former Wills by me made. In Witness Whereof, I have hereinto subscribe my name and affixed my seal, the Fourth day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventy eight. Uriah North {L.S.} The above instrument, consisting of 1 sheet, was at the date thereof subscribed by Uriah North in the presence of us and each of us; he at the time of making such subscription, acknowledges that he made the same, and declares the said instrument so subscribed by him to be his Last Will and Testament. Whereupon we then and there, at his request, and in his presence, and the presence of each other, subscribed our names as witnesses thereto. Benj. Turner Jr., residing at Shokan, Ulster, Co. NY Byron Markles, residing at Shokan, Ulster, Co. NY County of Ulster, Surrogate's Court, In the Matter of Proving the Last Will and Testament of Uriah North, Deceased} Ulster County ss: Benj. Turner Jr and Byron Markle of Shokan NY being first duly sworn in open court, on their oaths depose and say, that they are subscribing witnesses to the last will and testament of Uriah North, late of the town of Hurley in the County of Ulster, deceased, and these deponents further say that the said deceased did, in the presents of these deponents, subscribe his name at the end of the instrument which is now here shown these deponents, and which preports to be the Last Will and Testament of the said deceased, and which bears date the 4th of April in the year one thousand eight hundred and seventy eight, that the said deceased did, at the time of subscribing his name to the same instrument as aforesaid declare the same to be his Last Will and Testament that these deponents did thereupon subscribe their own names at the end of the said Instrument as attesting witnesses to the execution thereof, at the request of the said deceased, and in his presence, and in the presence ! of each other; and that the said deceased at the time of subscribing his name to the said instrument as aforesaid, was upwards of twenty one years of age that he appeared to be of sound mind and memory, and was not under restraint, to the knowledge, and belief of these deponents Benj. Turner Jr. Byron Markle Subscribed and sworn to before me This 4th day of August 1890. Oliver P Carpenter, Surrogate Recorded the preceding Last Will and Testament of Uriah North, as a Will of real and personal estate, which together with the proofs, in relation thereto, are now here signed and certified by me this 4th day of August 1890 Oliver P Carpenter, Surrogate

Thank You Virginia for the Alert! Hmmm, Sounds Like just a way for the State to capture some additional revenues at researchers expense. Are there any kind souls out there who have abstracted and transcribed any of the Ulster Marriage Records?? Willing to donate their transcribed abstracts to the Ulster County Genealogical Society? That is just my way of trying to counteract some of this nonsense, if other efforts fail? Ginny Ginny's Dutchess County Poorhouse Cemetery Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2843/saveacemetery.html The Day History Died! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2843/thedayhistorydied.html Ginny's Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2843 "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Byron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:08 AM Subject: [NYUlster] Ulster County Seals Records The Ulster County Clerk has removed from public access their marriage records 1908-1930 and also the Veterans Discharge Papers. It has been determined by New York State Archives, and agreed to by Robert Freeman, Executive Director of the Committee on Open Government, and Peter Carucci, Director of Vital Records, New York State Department of Health, that the old marriage records in the possession of county clerks come under the jurisdiction of the State Department of Health. The records, in their complete form, are now deemed confidential. The online index has been deemed not confidential and may be updated to include city or town in which the license was issued. Regarding the Veterans Discharge Papers, I have gotten conflicting information from the County Clerk's office and am trying to clarify. One county employee told me that they were removed by directive from the State and another employee told me that they were removed by directive from the Veterans Service Agency. There were no deputy clerks "in" during my recent visit and I'm trying to reach the Director of the Veterans Service Agency. The Ulster County Genealogical Society and our researchers depend heavily on these records. This is a real set back for all of us. I'd be interested to know if Greene or any other county has also removed these records from public access. Virginia Byron UCGS Membership Chair & Webmaster http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyucgs

The Ulster County Clerk has removed from public access their marriage records 1908-1930 and also the Veterans Discharge Papers. It has been determined by New York State Archives, and agreed to by Robert Freeman, Executive Director of the Committee on Open Government, and Peter Carucci, Director of Vital Records, New York State Department of Health, that the old marriage records in the possession of county clerks come under the jurisdiction of the State Department of Health. The records, in their complete form, are now deemed confidential. The online index has been deemed not confidential and may be updated to include city or town in which the license was issued. Regarding the Veterans Discharge Papers, I have gotten conflicting information from the County Clerk's office and am trying to clarify. One county employee told me that they were removed by directive from the State and another employee told me that they were removed by directive from the Veterans Service Agency. There were no deputy clerks "in" during my recent visit and I'm trying to reach the Director of the Veterans Service Agency. The Ulster County Genealogical Society and our researchers depend heavily on these records. This is a real set back for all of us. I'd be interested to know if Greene or any other county has also removed these records from public access. Virginia Byron UCGS Membership Chair & Webmaster http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyucgs

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5RB.2ACE/1135.2.1 Message Board Post: I'm sorry, but I do not have any information on these VanSteenburghs and their relatives. I've saved your message and if I come across something will contact you. Best of luck on your search