This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnneTrousdaleGardner Surnames: Gardner, Bates, Clark, Funk, Smith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.tompkins/464.552.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry, Bruce I would have responded earlier, but I just noticed your post. I appreciate the Bible pages you sent me, but they are very hard to read. Have you been able to transcribed the information? This is the information I have on Lydia Bates. I have a copy of a family group sheet based on a letter sent to Jerry Devol by Jack E. Nida, 1315 Haines Avenue, Columbus, Ohio on April 10, 1932 which says, "The following information was obtained from a fly-leaf of a bible, which was supposed to have been the Gardner Family Bible. I obtained the fly-leaf (which had been torn out) from my aunt, Mayme (Campbell) Mills." According to this family group sheet, Lydia was born on March 10, 1776 in VT. She married Rhodes Gardner on December 03, 1795. We do not have any collaborating record of her birth or her marriage. Rhodes was living in Ulysses, NY -- most likely in the area that was to become Ithaca. His oldest son, Daniel, was born in Ulysses in 1796. He was born on July 20, 1770 and does not show up as a head of household anywhere in the 1790 census. We do not know where he was born or anything about his parents. 1800: Rhodes Gardiner -- Ulysses, Cayuga, NY 1810: Roads Gardner -- Ulysses, Seneca, NY 1820: Rodes Gardner -- Newport, Washington, OH 1830: Rhodes Gardener -- Newport, Washington, OH 1840: Rhodes Gardner -- Concord, Delaware, OH Rhodes died in 1849. We don't know where he was buried. 1850: Lydia Gardner -- German, Clark, OH (living with son William) She appears to have been counted twice in this census. She is also listed with her daughter, Martha McKee. 1860: Lydia Gardner, age 84, born in VT -- Jackson, Hardin, OH (living with daughter, Martha McKee, age 62, tailoress, born NY and Matilda McKee, age 19, born in OH) Lydia died on July 13, 1864. We do not know where she is buried. We did not find her in the Patterson, OH cemetery with the McKees or other Gardners. I have just skimmed through your posts on other message boards and I am very interested in your speculation of possible intermarriage with the Seneca. Given that these families were on the New York State frontier so early, it is an intriguing speculation and may explain why they seem to be so isolated from other family members. Anne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.