This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3RB.2ACE/345.1 Message Board Post: NY did not mandate vitals until 1880.Before 1850 only the Head of Household is named in the Census. all others are in age groups. The 1845 Census might show a marriage in the household but not who. There is a William Lunn II in Directory of Nichols in Gay's Historical Gazetteer of Tioga Co c 1887.Still Lunn's & Patterson's in the area.