Hi Anne, and both lists, First of all, it is my opinion that the letter i with the acute accent above it is an idiosyncrasy of the computer or the software program used. I believe the extract from the Shelter Island history web page means to speak of Stearn's Point and Dinah's Rock. [those are apostrophes] Second, Jennings Point is at the northwest corner of Shelter Island. It comes up into the bay to the west and south of Conkling Point which is in Ashamomock (Southold Town). In fact, on the current Hagstrom Atlas map, a line drawn along the western edge of Jennings Point would run directly into the eastern edge of Hashamomuck Pond. [Hagstrom's spelling] An aside to these, Hay Beach Point is at the northeast corner of Shelter Island. Prospect Point (1873 atlas) now called Chequit Point (Hagstrom) lies halfway between Jennings and Hay Beach Points. Third, anyone living on Shelter Island knows where the two ferries are - the north ferry connecting to Greenport, Southold Town, and the south ferry connecting to Hog Neck or North Haven, Southampton Town. Thus, this web posting is referring to known locations on today's Shelter Island. It is saying there used to be ox-carts between the then* north ferry location (Jennings Point) and the area where today's south ferry docks. *I made that careful choice of words, because the north ferrry of the 20th and early 21st century does not connect to Jennings Point but rather to Prospect Point. This is the location of the "Steamboat Wharf" on the 1878 map, so most likely it was the north ferry dock in the 19th century too. Fourth, for your information and for the Conklin mailing list, I enclose an extract from a document I located very recently in the vertical files at the Suffolk County Historical Society. It is a typescript entitled "Old Times and Families of Southold" by Alvah M. Salmon. Since he was born in 1835, I feel confident that I am not infringing on his copyrights. 3rd paragraph: "Matthew Sinderland, a bold Scotch seaman and navigator, was engaged by Farrett about 1632, to explore this region, visit the various islands, make a survey of the North Sea and the Great Rivers together with all the harbors, inlets, and tirbutaries, erect land marks on the headlands and place buoys on the reefs, and prepare rough diagrams, maps and charts for the guidance and information of those who might become interested." 5th paragrah: "Making the acquaintance and friendship of Poukamp, Great Chief Manhansucks, who had his wigwam and council house at the Five Wigwams near Pipe's Neck (a couple of miles west of the present Greenport village), he got permission to make his headquarters on the shore of the Manhansuch River, now known as Conklin's Ferry, a narrow branch of the Peconic Bay running between Shelter Island and the mainland." Pipe's Neck is the much more shallow (short) neck of land east of Conklins Point. The water between Conklins Point and Fannings Point (Greenport village) is labeled Pipe's Cove on the maps. This is in an indentation of the island - truly a cove between two necks. On the 1873 map the water between Shelter Island and the North Fork is labeled Greenport Harbor. The words extend from below Pipe's Cove to below East Marion, and fits the description of being the narrow branch of Peconic Bay.... The current Hagstrom uses smaller lettering for the words Greenport Harbor, thus restricting its size and placement. I have never heard of the word ferry used for such an extensive body of water. My mind focuses on the exact location of a ferry service crossing a body of water. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: <annewinters@sbcglobal.net> To: <NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: [NYSUF] Was Budd's Ferry at Jennings Point? Shelter Is. Or Southold? > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Budd , Jennings, Stearnis, Tuthill > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/889.1.1.2.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Thank you for your help. Finally found where I had seen this... Is Jennnings point in Southold ? > > http://www.shelter-island.org/history.html > There were no real roads, but ox-cart tracts ran from the north ferry rowboat service run by the Southold Budd family at Jennings (Stearnís) point and the south ferry connection at its present location. The Tuthills on Ram Island would drag their scow to Dinahís Rock at Hay Beach and row across to Oysterponds, now Orient. > > The reason I am interested is because there were some Budds in PA who were related who also had a ferry. The"south ferry connection" mentioned above is puzzling. > I do find Budd's in Noyac before 1790. 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