This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/657.1.1 Message Board Post: I tried calling them, but they would not help ...

Could some kind soul give me some clues on how to find info on a person in 1727 Southhold. I am trying to find any info on Charles Hole b c 1700. Here is the only proof I have he was in Southold: 'Abstracts of Unrecorded Wills, Vol XI, Prior to 1790', pages 39-40: 'In the name of God, Amen. February 8, 1727/8. I, HANNAH KNOWLING, of Shelter Island, ...... I make Charles HOLE, of Southold, and my daughter, Mary Merrow, executors.' (One witness was Henry Merrow) Left a grandson John Merrow; dau. Hannah Hopkins; grandsons William Hopkins and Cornelius Paine; son-in-law John Par and his dau. Mary; my son Elisha Par. I believe Charles migrated to NJ c 1737- around the same time as Badgleys (sp) and WILCOCKSIE families. Charles marr. Sarah (SMITH??). He was a school teachers and witnessed many wills in NJ, and he died in Eliz., Essex Co. 1749. I have searched for him in the HOWELL family but cannot find a Chas. in the proper time frame. Also tried the HOHL/HULL line, with no luck. I have to do any searching by mail or on-line, so any help appreciated. Diane ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ CHECK OUR GENEALOGY FAMILY PAGE - www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/657.1 Message Board Post: You can address your inquiry to: Stanley Allen, Town Clerk & Registrar Town of Brookhaven Town Hall Patchogue, NY 11772.

Would like to thank all that headed me in the direction to get on a mailing list for the New York City, NY area with their counties/burroughs/etc. Great group - Jan

On 1/31/03 (8:04:23 AM MST), Jan ([email protected]) asked, "Would someone be able to provide me with information on how I can connet with each burrough/county within New York City (like this one is for Suffolk Co.)? I have/had relatives that have lived/died in all of the burrough/counties and this informaion would sure help me." NYC includes 5 boroughs (administrative districts of New York City) that are coterminous with 5 counties (political sub-divisions of New York State); and, simultaneously, NYC is also coterminous with 7+ postal cities. Each of the 5 counties has its own Rootsweb mailing list; in addition, there is a mailing list for NYC and also a mailing list for Brooklyn. For these latter 2 mailing lists -- NYC and Brooklyn -- they are currently more popular than either the New York County and the Kings County mailing lists, respectively. To subscribe, send an eMail, with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body, to any or all of these 7 mailing lists: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] For a full explanation of the idiosyncrasies of the geography and governmental organization of New York City, read on: Downstate New York State has its own special geography ... where things can be a bit confusing to outsiders as well as to long time residents. Beginning on November 1, 1683, the City and County of New York included only the Island of Manhattan (and a few small islands in the East River). Then in 1873, the City and County of New York annexed the "western" Bronx (the area west of the Bronx River and south of the City of Yonkers) from Westchester County. This was followed in 1895, when the City and County of New York annexed the "eastern" Bronx from Westchester County as well. There is a small change on June 15, 1886 when the Lloyd's Neck peninsula is transferred from the Town of Oyster Bay, then in Queens County to the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County. The big change comes in 1898, when the City and County of New York, the City of Brooklyn/Kings County, Richmond County (Staten Island) and the western-third of Queens County (the City of Long Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead) are consolidated into the new New York City. On January 1, 1899, as the eastern two-thirds of Queens secede and form Nassau County, the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead remains behind as part of Queens. Then in 1914, the Bronx County separates from New York County. (Thus, for 16 years, from 1898 to 1914, New York City was made up of 5 boroughs, but only 4 counties.) Simultaneous to these changes, in 1851, Kings County consists of 2 cities (Brooklyn and Williamsburgh) and 6 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Lots and New Utrecht). In 1854, the City of Brooklyn annexes the City of Williamsburgh and the Town of Bushwick; in 1886, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Town of New Lots; in 1894, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Towns of Flatbush, New Utrecht and Gravesend; and, in 1896, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Town of Flatlands and becomes coterminous with King County. Now, to make this even more complicated, the U.S. Postal Service has divided the City of New York into 7+ postal cities: New York (covers Manhattan and the Bronx), Staten Island, Brooklyn (covers most of Brooklyn and parts of northwest and southwest Queens), Long Island City (most of the original Town of Newtown in Queens), Flushing (includes all of the original Town of Flushing and parts of the Town of Newtown in Queens and also part of what was Town of Bushwick in Brooklyn), Jamaica (most of the original Town of Jamaica in Queens and a small area in what was the East New York section of the Town of New Lots in Brooklyn) and Far Rockaway (in Queens). (Additionally, a few small areas in the Bronx are serviced by post offices located in Westchester County and hence have "Westchester" mailing addresses, such as "Yonkers, NY", "Pelham Manor, NY", etc.) Lastly, but not last by any means, New York City is divided into 5 boroughs (city administrative districts) and 5 vestigial counties (sub-divisions of New York State) as: ......Borough............County ......Manhattan.........New York ......Staten Island.....Richmond ......Brooklyn...........Kings ......the Bronx.........the Bronx ......Queens............Queens A more detailed geography of NYC follows my name. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan The following detailed geography was derived from information in an eMail sent by Nancy Coleman ([email protected]) to "[email protected]" on January 17, 2000. The Bronx County/Borough the only part of NYC that is on the mainland, is a peninsula, north of Manhattan, separated from Manhattan Island by the Spuyten Duyvil Creek and the Harlem River. Also includes North Brother Island, South Brother Island, Riker's Island, City Island, Hart Island, and numerous other small islands in the Long Island Sound. It is bordered to its north by Westchester County. Kings County/Borough of Brooklyn is the westernmost part of Long Island and it is bordered on the northeast by Queens County/Borough and includes many sanctuary islands in Jamaica Bay, to its southeast. It is bordered to its south by the Rockaway Inlet, the Atlantic Ocean, Gravesend Bay, Lower NY Bay, and to its west, Upper New York Bay and the East River. New York County/Borough of Manhattan: is an island, bordered on the West by the Hudson (aka North) River, the east by the East River and the Harlem River, and on the north by the Spuyten Duyvil Creek and the Harlem River. Also includes Roosevelt Island, Governors Island, and Randalls/Wards Island, as well as Ellis and Liberty Islands. Queens County/Borough is on Long Island and includes the Rockaway Peninsula, and many islands within Jamaica Bay. Most of its islands are a part of the Gateway National Recreation Area (National Park Service) and are wildlife refuges and bird sanctuaries. Broad Channel being the exception, which is residential. Queens runs the entire width of Long Island with the East River and Long Island Sound to the north, Kings County/Borough of Brooklyn to its southwest, Nassau County to its east, and Jamaica Bay and the Atlantic Ocean to its south. Richmond County/Borough of Staten Island is an island, lying south of Manhattan Island, bordered by New Jersey to its west (separated by the Arthur Kill), NJ to its north (separated by the Kill Van Kull), Upper NY Bay to its east, and Lower NY Bay and the Atlantic Ocean to its south. Also includes Shooter's Island, Prall's Island, and Island of Meadow - all of which are bird sanctuaries. Also, to its south, are Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island which are part of the Gateway National Recreation Area, administered by the US National Park Service.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/657 Message Board Post: Can somebody help me? The certificate No. is 185246. Date of Birth 13th Dec 1963 at 8.46 am, Brookhaven, New York. Hoping to find family. Thanks!

Would someone be able to provide me with information on how I can connet with each burrough/county within New York City (like this one is for Suffolk Co.)? I have/had relatives that have lived/died in all of the burrough/counties and this informaion would sure help me. Thank you for any help. Jan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/656.1 Message Board Post: On 1/29/03 (9:21:15 PM MST), in a posting to the Suffolk County Board that was 'gatewayed' to [email protected], Toni Little ([email protected]) asked, "I am looking for an obit for Martin J Cahalin who died 4/24/1986 and was buried in the Calverton National Cemetery in Suffolk County. His last known residence was Woodside Ny 11377. He was born 3/2/1920. I would really appreciate any help I can get. I am his great niece and would love to know if he was ever married or had children. Thanks again for any help you can provide." You may want to post your query on the Queens County Board because Woodside is a neighborhood in the Borough/County of Queens in New York City.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cahalin, Farrell, Law, McGillicuddy, McNulty Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/656 Message Board Post: I am looking for an obit for Martin J Cahalin who died 4/24/1986 and was buried in the Calverton National Cemetery in Suffolk County. His last known residence was Woodside Ny 11377. He was born 3/2/1920. I would really appreciate any help I can get. I am his great niece and would love to know if he was ever married or had children. Thanks again for any help you can provide.

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On 1/24/03 (12:03:33 PM MST), Brenda ([email protected]) asked, "Where do I call/write for a death certificate for Manorville?" While Manorville is a hamlet in the Town of Brookhaven, the "Manorville, NY" postal zone includes areas in BOTH the Town of Brookhaven and the Town of Riverhead. Thus, you may need to check with the town clerks for BOTH the Town of Brookhaven and the Town of Riverhead. Town Clerk Town of Brookhaven 205 South Ocean Avenue Patchogue, NY 11772 Tel: 631/654-7827 Fax: 631/654-7888 fax eMail: [email protected] http://www.brookhaven.org/departments/town_clerk.asp?dept_id=15&page_id=15 Town Clerk Town of Riverhead 200 Howell Avenue Riverhead, NY 11901 Tel: 631/727-3200 ext 260 Fax: 631/727-6712 eMail: [email protected] http://www.riverheadli.com/rvdclerk.html The pertinent geography: Manorville is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the northeast section of the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County, along the Brookhaven/Riverhead town line. There are 8 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Manorville in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Calverton in the Town of Riverhead (the Brookhaven/Riverhead town line); on the east by the Hamlets of Calverton and Eastport; on the south by the Hamlets of East Moriches, Center Moriches, Moriches and Mastic; and, on the west by the Hamlets of Mastic, Shirley and Yaphank (Brookhaven National Laboratory). And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have different borders. Thus, places with a "Manorville, NY" mailing address may not be in Manorville and places in Manorville may not have a "Manorville, NY" mailing address. There may be a few places in the Hamlet of Calverton, Town of Rivehead that have a "Manorville, NY" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Manorville in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

I am researching my grandfather, Robert Arthur Haeger, b 12/27/1922, d 06/01/1978. He married around 1960 a lady named Joan. He owned the Westhampton Speedway for a while in the 1970's. Also owned Sportsman's Kennels. He went by Bob, Art, Robert, and Arthur; and the surname was spelled Hager and Haeger. I would love to find any relatives from this second marriage, his obituary, and any other information someone may have about him. Thank you! Brenda __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Hello everyone, In Ancestry it says that there is a listing for John Thomas Flick in the Suffolk Post office directory of 1875. Does anyone have access to this? I am disabled and just can't afford to sign up for this database right now. Any help will be appreciated. Ilse Flick Flick's German<> English translations

Death records are the responsibility of Town or Village clerks and were in the 1940's & 1950's ,as well. The only other recourse you have is to contact the NY state department of Health. Sharon A. Pullen, C.A. Archivist Office of the County Clerk Historic Documents Library 310 Center Drive Riverhead, NY 11901-3392 Phone: 631-852-2015 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYSUF] Death Certs - Patchogue, Suffolk Cty For deaths in the 1940's and 1950's, do I contact the county or Patchogue? Might anyone have a URL that will provide information about the address and cost? TIA! ______________________________

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> Seeking info on Charles HOLE b c 1700 NY? d 1749 NJ. Found this info: > > 'Abstracts of Unrecorded Wills, Vol XI, Prior to 1790', pages 39-40: 'In > the name of God, Amen. February 8, 1727/8. I, HANNAH KNOWLING, of Shelter > Island, ...... I make Charles Hole, of Southold, and my daughter, Mary > Merrow, executors.' > > 'Family History: Genealogies of Long Island Families, 1600s-1800s' (FTM CD > #173, Genealogical Publishing Co. 1997: These names appear in the index: > HOEL, Abigil [sic], Bethier [sic], Daniel, Halack [sic], Paul'. > > Does anyone know of Hole families in Suffolk Co., LI early 1700's?? Charles > marr. Sarah SMITH, dau. of Henry Smith/Sarah ? I can find no Henry in all > the LI Smith's who fits the profile. > > Would there be land records in Southold for early 1700's?? > Might the name be HOWELL? Plenty of those. The Salmon Records, a record of marriages and death in Southold and vicinity kept by the Salmon family, lists several Howell marriages in the time frame you mention; one is Hezekiah Howel to Widow Mary Smith 30 Jan. 1733/34. I don't see a Charles Howell. Also has death of Widow Neling [sic] at Shelter Island 16 Feb. 1727/28 and marriage of Elisha Merow and Mary Nolin [sic] 14 June 172? [prob. 1722, poss. 1723]. This record is available on FHC microfilm 1033619 and in print form in the NYGB Record in 8 installments, 1916-1918. For Southold Land records, see Southold Town Records, 2 vol. (1882), on FHC film 0896629, also published in print form, probably by NYGB, but I don't have that data. I have the index here at home and I see a number of Howells but no Charles. Smiths were more numerous in western Suffolk County, around Smithtown, naturally, but elsewhere. Russell K. Brown

Seeking info on Charles HOLE b c 1700 NY? d 1749 NJ. Found this info: 'Abstracts of Unrecorded Wills, Vol XI, Prior to 1790', pages 39-40: 'In the name of God, Amen. February 8, 1727/8. I, HANNAH KNOWLING, of Shelter Island, ...... I make Charles Hole, of Southold, and my daughter, Mary Merrow, executors.' 'Family History: Genealogies of Long Island Families, 1600s-1800s' (FTM CD #173, Genealogical Publishing Co. 1997: These names appear in the index: HOEL, Abigil [sic], Bethier [sic], Daniel, Halack [sic], Paul'. Does anyone know of Hole families in Suffolk Co., LI early 1700's?? Charles marr. Sarah SMITH, dau. of Henry Smith/Sarah ? I can find no Henry in all the LI Smith's who fits the profile. Would there be land records in Southold for early 1700's?? Any help appreciated. Diane ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ CHECK OUR GENEALOGY FAMILY PAGE - www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

I have recently found one of my husband's ancestors in the 1870 census in Southold and I have the following questions: 1. St. Patricks catholic church is in Southold - when did it start? Was it there in 1870+/- ?? Are they amenable to searching for records ?? The family I have found is: SMITH, Robert 33 M W Boatman born in NY -----------Angeli* 21 F W Kept House born in NY -----------Frank 3or8 M W born in NY 1870 US Federal Census, Suffolk Co, Southold, Pg 112/288 I could not read the writing for the spelling of the wife's name - it might have been Angelia or Angelica. I could not read the writing for the age of the son, Frank - it could have been a 3 or an 8. Nancy Kenoyer Neely