On 3/31/03 (6:09:35 AM MST), the Suffolk County List Administrator relayed a posting from Nate Carter ([email protected]), asking, "Can some one tell me where is Cow Bay on Long Island Sound. I have a reference to a lawyer Arthur Bassett being named "Governor of Cow Bay, LI" in 1877. It apparently was an honorary title. It was in the Brooklyn Eagle 11 Nov. 1877. It may be in Nassau County but I know there are many very knowledgeable people on the list that may have the answer." You're correct: it would seem to be in Nassau County. Cow's Bay, as the name suggests, should be on the north shore of Cow's Neck, and today's Cow's Neck is called Port Washington. Port Washington is one of those communities on Long Island where the majority of the places with a Port Washington mailing address are not in Port Washington. The pertinent geography: Port Washington is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the northeastern part of the Town of North Hempstead. There are 30 villages (incorporated municipalities and 18 hamlets all or partly in the Town of North Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Port Washington in the Town of North Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Villages of Baxter Estates, Port Washington North and Sands Point; on the east by the Port Washington Harbor on the south by the Village of Flower Hill; and, on the west by the Village of Plandome Manor and Hempstead Harbor. And, like almost every community in either Nassau or Suffolk Counties, the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have much different borders: .....................................................acres .........Hamlet of Port Washington.....2,570 .........Port Washington, NY 11050....6,652 Thus, about 3 out of every 5 places with a "Port Washington, NY" mailing address are NOT in the Hamlet of Port Washington. Quickly eyeballing the map overlay of the "11050" postal ZIP code versus village and hamlet borders, the following 7 communities (5 villages and 2 hamlets) seem to be at least partially within the borders of the "Port Washington, NY" postal zone and hence places in these communities can have a "Port Washington, NY" mailing address (if the community is a village, its year of incorporation is shown inside the parenthesis): .........................................................acres Village of Sands Point (1932)..............2,743 Hamlet of Northern Port Washington........162 Village of Port Washington North (1932)...315 Village of Manorhaven (1930)...................326 Village of Baxter Estates (1931)..............109 Hamlet of Port Washington..................2,570 Village of Flower Hill (1931).....................427* * The Village of Flower Hill has a total area of 1,095 acres, and this is the area serviced by the "Port Washington, NY 11050" postal zone. The Village of Flower Hill's other 668 acres are in the service areas of either the "Manhasset, NY 11030" or the "Roslyn, NY 11576" postal zones. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Port Washington in the Town of North Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 6 (map) and 7 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Forwarded....uncle Please reply to Nate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elbert N. Carter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:39 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} cow bay > Can some one tell me where is Cow Bay on Long Island Sound. I have a > reference to a lawyer Arthur Bassett being named "Governor of Cow Bay, > LI" in 1877. It apparently was an honorary title. It was in the > Brooklyn Eagle 11 Nov. 1877. It may be in Nassau County but I know there > are many very knowledgeable people on the list that may have the answer. > Any help appreciated. > > Nate Carter >

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Rooters & Rootsers, Twenty-five years later, NEWSDAY does a follow-up story on its massive series "Long Island at the Crossroads" that included 61 pages of analysis and predictions. The URL for the article (please copy and paste the entire URL, beginning with "http" and ending with "headlines"): http://www.newsday.com/features/printedition/longislandlife/ny-lilife0330,0,65 05687.story?coll=ny%2Dlilife%2Dheadlines For those unable to access the article, eMail me directly and I'll eMail you a copy of the article. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

Would SKS please check to see if there is a file number for Alice GALLAGHER who died in December 1980 (so her probate may not have been filed until 1981), and for Charles PLACE who died in August 1984? I will gladly reimburse you for your time and expense. THANK YOU! ~Judy Place Maggiore Scottsdale, AZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/685.1 Message Board Post: I am sitting here looking at the population schedule page that includes George. It says he is 44 years old!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/691 Message Board Post: Looking to locate others who have any members of the colonial families moving from Suffolk out to either Orange or Wayne counties in the 1800 - 1850 period.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/690 Message Board Post: Is there someone who could please find any of the obituaries for any or all of the people listed below, all are buried at Oakwood Cemetery in Bay Shore: Joan Roth Eastburn d. 11-08-1975 resided at 3 Moffitt Blvd. in Bayshore (Islip Twp) NY. James Munn d. 12-30-1933 in Bayshore Charlotte Weibrecht Munn d. 06-28-1952

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Becker Freyer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/689 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on a Christine (Freyer) Becker and a Gus (August) Becker . Early 1900s. they had two children Otto and Fred. Otto had three children Marjory,Barbara Ann and Lester. Fred had three children. They lived in the town of Babylon area . Could be Lindenhurst or Copague(spelling?). Any help would be appreciated. Janet Hall [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BABCOCK PIERSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/688 Message Board Post: My GGG-GF married Phebe Babcock 8 July 1829. Shortly before or after, they migrated out of Suffolk, across NY, and into Michigan. I think I have them placed in Orange County in the 1830 census. I know that there were a handfull of Babcocks in Southampton area in the early 1800's one cluster seems to be a widowed wife (Jerusha or Mary) raising a few daughters. There is also a William or a Benjamin that could have been Phebe's father. Does anyone have Phebe in their records as coming from Suffolk?

On 3/23/03 (11:27:26 AM MST), Rachel Caves ([email protected]) asked, "Does anyone have any information on Jacob Osborn, one of the first settlers of Baiting Hollow, Long Island abt. 1796 also said to have lived on a David Reeve(s) farm about 1825....searching for anything on his four daughters who married respectively a Norton, Hallock, Overton, and a Homan.....any help at all will be most appreciated...." You might want to ask the Riverhead Library: Riverhead Free Library 330 Court Street Riverhead, NY 11901 Tel: 631/727-3228 Fax: 631/727-4762 eMail: [email protected] http://river.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ Baiting Hollow is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in Baiting Hollow have a "Baiting Hollow, NY" mailing address. The pertinent geography: Baiting Hollow is a hamlet (unincorporated area) partly in the Town of Riverhead, Suffolk County. There are no villages and 7 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Riverhead (Riverhead is the only town in either Suffolk or Nassau County without any villages within its borders). There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Baiting Hollow in the Town of Riverhead is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlet of Riverhead; on the south by the Hamlet of Riverhead and the Hamlet of Calverton; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Wading River. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have different borders. In this case there is no "Baiting Hollow, NY" postal zone and places in the Hamlet of Baiting Hollow have other than a "Baiting Hollow, NY" mailing address (these places have either a "Calverton, NY 11903 or a Riverhead, NY 11901" mailing address). For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Baiting Hollow in the Towns of Riverhead, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 26 (map) and 27 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Does anyone have any information on Jacob Osborn, one of the first settlers of Baiting Hollow, Long Island abt. 1796 also said to have lived on a David Reeve(s) farm about 1825....searching for anything on his four daughters who married respectively a Norton, Hallock, Overton, and a Homan.....any help at all will be most appreciated.... Thank You, Rachel Caves [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/394.1.1.1 Message Board Post: According to "The Refugees from Long Island to Connecticut", in September 1776, Isaac's father Lemuels' effects were moved from Saggaponack to Stonington, CT by Capt David Sayre and on September 16th with ten in his family he was brought to East Haddam, CT by Capt Joshua Griffeth. It also states Isaac removed to New Jersey in 1788. I don't know why they chose Morristown but yes there were many Piersons in New Jersey.

Hi List: Is there some one on the list that could get us a photo copy of the obit for Olga Lushbaugh died October 1985 Ronkonkoma, Suffolk Co., NY??????? Robin

On 3/22/03 (6:16:21 PM MST), Peggy in Florida ([email protected]) asked, "Searching for Fred J WALTERS, who lived in Smithtown Branch and worked for Socony Vacuum Oil Co, Port Jefferson in 1936. Can anyone give the name and address of a library that might be able to help or perhaps a court house? Any suggestions appreciated." The Smithtown Library would seem to be the library to contact: Smithtown Library (Main Branch) 1 North Country Road Smithtown, New York 11787 Tel: 631/265-2072 http://www.smithlib.org/ Circa 1970, the Hamlet of Smithtown Branch was absorbed into the Hamlet of Smithtown. The pertinent geography: Smithtown is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the center part of the Town of Smithtown, Suffolk County. There are 3 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 8 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Smithtown. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Smithtown in the Town of Smithtown is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Kings Park and the Village of Nissequogue; on the east the Village of Head of the Harbor. the Hamlet of St. James, the Village of the Branch and the Hamlet of Nesconset; on the south by the Hamlets of Hauppauge and the Hamlet of Commack; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Commack and the Hamlet of Kings Park. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Smithtown has a different border than does the "Smithtown, NY" postal zone. There are places that have a "Smithtown, NY 11787" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Smithtown. These places are in the Village of the Branch and the Village of Nissequogue, as well as in the Hamlets of St. James and Nesconset. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Smithtown in the Town of Smithtown, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 22 (map) and 23 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Searching for Fred J WALTERS, who lived in Smithtown Branch and worked for Socony Vacuum Oil Co, Port Jefferson in 1936. Can anyone give the name and address of a library that might be able to help or perhaps a court house? Any suggestions appreciated. Peggy in Florida [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PIERSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/394.1.1 Message Board Post: I am interested in anything you might have on that migration of Piersons to Morristown. I am researching the exodus out of Suffolk, and the brother of my GGG-GF ended up in Morristown. He would be the 3rd cousin to that Isaac, through Col Henry's brother Theodore. Do you know is a large chunck of the clan removed to Morristown? Were they trying to connect to the Newark (Abraham) clan, since it was less than 40 miles away? Anything you can share of this migration would be appreciated. Greg Pierson Los Angeles

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PIERSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/394.2 Message Board Post: I am interested in anything you might have on that migration of Piersons to Morristown. I am researching the exodus out of Suffolk, and the brother of my GGG-GF ended up in Morristown. He would be the 3rd cousin to that Isaac, through Col Henry's brother Theodore. Do you know is a large chunck of the clan removed to Morristown? Were they trying to connect to the Newark (Abraham) clan, since it was less than 40 miles away? Anything you can share of this migration would be appreciated. Greg Pierson Los Angeles

Roots XIX - The Quest For Your Past, the 19th annual seminar sponsored by the Genealogy Workshop of The Huntington Historical Society, Huntington, Long Island, NY, will be held on Saturday, May 3, 2003. Our new location is conveniently located, close to the LIRR station and to route 110. Our speakers will be: Larry O. Jensen, AG: German research Suzanne McVetty, CG: NYC research & wills Paul Milner, MDIV, MS: British Isles, Irish & Scottish research Donna Moughty: Internet, Video & General topics Geri Solomon, MA: Long Island research & Preservation For details, visit our new website at: www.rootsweb.com/~nygwhhs/ Bill Chamberlain Newsletter Editor Genealogy Workshop of The Huntington Historical Society 209 Main St., Huntington, NY 11743-4218

Is there anyone who also does research on a SAUER Family in Suffolk and Nassau Counties, NEw York? Robert in Berlin, Germany ______________________________________________________________________________ Erster Klick - SMS versenden, zweiter Klick - die Telefonnummer im Adressbuch speichern bei: http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021151