Hi Anne, and both lists, First of all, it is my opinion that the letter i with the acute accent above it is an idiosyncrasy of the computer or the software program used. I believe the extract from the Shelter Island history web page means to speak of Stearn's Point and Dinah's Rock. [those are apostrophes] Second, Jennings Point is at the northwest corner of Shelter Island. It comes up into the bay to the west and south of Conkling Point which is in Ashamomock (Southold Town). In fact, on the current Hagstrom Atlas map, a line drawn along the western edge of Jennings Point would run directly into the eastern edge of Hashamomuck Pond. [Hagstrom's spelling] An aside to these, Hay Beach Point is at the northeast corner of Shelter Island. Prospect Point (1873 atlas) now called Chequit Point (Hagstrom) lies halfway between Jennings and Hay Beach Points. Third, anyone living on Shelter Island knows where the two ferries are - the north ferry connecting to Greenport, Southold Town, and the south ferry connecting to Hog Neck or North Haven, Southampton Town. Thus, this web posting is referring to known locations on today's Shelter Island. It is saying there used to be ox-carts between the then* north ferry location (Jennings Point) and the area where today's south ferry docks. *I made that careful choice of words, because the north ferrry of the 20th and early 21st century does not connect to Jennings Point but rather to Prospect Point. This is the location of the "Steamboat Wharf" on the 1878 map, so most likely it was the north ferry dock in the 19th century too. Fourth, for your information and for the Conklin mailing list, I enclose an extract from a document I located very recently in the vertical files at the Suffolk County Historical Society. It is a typescript entitled "Old Times and Families of Southold" by Alvah M. Salmon. Since he was born in 1835, I feel confident that I am not infringing on his copyrights. 3rd paragraph: "Matthew Sinderland, a bold Scotch seaman and navigator, was engaged by Farrett about 1632, to explore this region, visit the various islands, make a survey of the North Sea and the Great Rivers together with all the harbors, inlets, and tirbutaries, erect land marks on the headlands and place buoys on the reefs, and prepare rough diagrams, maps and charts for the guidance and information of those who might become interested." 5th paragrah: "Making the acquaintance and friendship of Poukamp, Great Chief Manhansucks, who had his wigwam and council house at the Five Wigwams near Pipe's Neck (a couple of miles west of the present Greenport village), he got permission to make his headquarters on the shore of the Manhansuch River, now known as Conklin's Ferry, a narrow branch of the Peconic Bay running between Shelter Island and the mainland." Pipe's Neck is the much more shallow (short) neck of land east of Conklins Point. The water between Conklins Point and Fannings Point (Greenport village) is labeled Pipe's Cove on the maps. This is in an indentation of the island - truly a cove between two necks. On the 1873 map the water between Shelter Island and the North Fork is labeled Greenport Harbor. The words extend from below Pipe's Cove to below East Marion, and fits the description of being the narrow branch of Peconic Bay.... The current Hagstrom uses smaller lettering for the words Greenport Harbor, thus restricting its size and placement. I have never heard of the word ferry used for such an extensive body of water. My mind focuses on the exact location of a ferry service crossing a body of water. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: <annewinters@sbcglobal.net> To: <NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: [NYSUF] Was Budd's Ferry at Jennings Point? Shelter Is. Or Southold? > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Budd , Jennings, Stearnis, Tuthill > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/889.1.1.2.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Thank you for your help. Finally found where I had seen this... Is Jennnings point in Southold ? > > http://www.shelter-island.org/history.html > There were no real roads, but ox-cart tracts ran from the north ferry rowboat service run by the Southold Budd family at Jennings (Stearnís) point and the south ferry connection at its present location. The Tuthills on Ram Island would drag their scow to Dinahís Rock at Hay Beach and row across to Oysterponds, now Orient. > > The reason I am interested is because there were some Budds in PA who were related who also had a ferry. The"south ferry connection" mentioned above is puzzling. > I do find Budd's in Noyac before 1790. This is my brick wall area. > > > > ==== NYSUFFOL Mailing List ==== > Check the Genweb project at: > www.usgenweb.org > and Worldconnect at: > www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Archambault (RI), Barrett (MA/CT), Birdsey, Chilton, Clough, Curtiss, Dayton, Greene, Hawley, Hildrith, Keith, King (NY), Latham, Nichols, Pratt, Root, Smith, Travers, Ufford, Ward, Washburn, Winslow, Winton, Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/1073 Message Board Post: I have been looking for My grandfathers history for 13 years. (My daughter asked me to write down some family history when my granddaughter was born). I have his marriage cert and his death cert but all they say is that he was born in NY. His name is Ernest King b 5/5/1872 NY. His eldest son was named Emile so I am guessing that it could be his fathers name. I'm not sure the last name is King, I suppose it could be Koenig. Country of origan is said to be Germany. I have information from the time he married on. He somehow got to Bridgeport CT and married a French Canadian girl on July 31, 1894. They are there for the 1900, 1910 and 1920 census. In 1930 he has left the family but his wife is listed as the head of the family. I have not found him in 1930.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Budd , Jennings, Stearnis, Tuthill Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/889.1.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for your help. Finally found where I had seen this... Is Jennnings point in Southold ? http://www.shelter-island.org/history.html There were no real roads, but ox-cart tracts ran from the north ferry rowboat service run by the Southold Budd family at Jennings (Stearnís) point and the south ferry connection at its present location. The Tuthills on Ram Island would drag their scow to Dinahís Rock at Hay Beach and row across to Oysterponds, now Orient. The reason I am interested is because there were some Budds in PA who were related who also had a ferry. The"south ferry connection" mentioned above is puzzling. I do find Budd's in Noyac before 1790. This is my brick wall area.

On 9/1/05 (6:54:17 PM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Linda of Idaho Falls (s1u3zy@cableone.net) asked, "Could someone PLEASE! help find and obits for WILLIAM CLAYTON BOWEN b Mar 21 1938 d Mar 27 2005 last residence 11727 CORAM Suffolk Co Ny Thank you for anything." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Longwood Public Library: Longwood Public Library 800 Middle Country Road Middle Island, NY 11953 Tel: 631/924-6400 Fax: 631/924-7538 eMail: edonlon@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://longwood.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Coram is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the central part of the Town of Brookhaven, in the central part of Suffolk County. There are 8 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Coram in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by Hamlet of Terryville, the Hamlet of Mount Sinai and the Hamlet of Miller Place; on the east by the Hamlet of Middle Island and the Hamlet of Gordon Heights; on the south by the Hamlet of Medford; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Farmingville, the Hamlet of Selden and the Hamlet of Terryville. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Coram has a different border than does the "Coram, NY 11727" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Coram mailing address and not be in Coram and a place can have other than a Coram mailing address and be in Coram). Those places that have a "Coram, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Coram are in the Hamlet of Middle Island, the Hamlet of Gordon Heights, the Hamlet of Medford and the Hamlet of Selden; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Coram with a "Selden, NY 11784", a "Port Jefferson Station, NY 11776" and a "Middle Island, NY 11953" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2004 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Coram in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5766, Walter Greenspan * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah begins at sunset on Monday, October 3 on the civil calendar. . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Could someone PLEASE! help find and obits for WILLIAM CLAYTON BOWEN b Mar 21 1938 d Mar 27 2005 last residence 11727 CORAM Suffolk Co Ny Thank you for anything . Linda of Idaho falls SSN 075 30 7917 New York ----- Original Message ----- From: <NYSUFFOL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NYSUFFOL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: NYSUFFOL-D Digest V05 #139

On 8/31/05 (4:52:54 PM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Chris Burningham (cburni@xmission.com) asked, "I am looking for a resource in Riverhead, Suffolk, NY for an obituary for a Hilda Bartels who passed away December 25 2001. I am trying to find living relatives. Are there newspapers in the area that carry obituaries, or for this area or libraries where I could find this information? I would appreciate any help." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Riverhead Free Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Riverhead Free Library 330 Court Street Riverhead, NY 11901 Tel: 631/727-3228 Fax: 631/727-4762 eMail: rflref@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://river.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Riverhead is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the central part of the Town of Riverhead, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are no villages (municipal corporations) and 7 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Riverhead (Riverhead is the only town in either Suffolk or Nassau County without any villages within its borders). There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Riverhead in the Town of Riverhead is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlets of Northville and Aquebogue; on the south by the Hamlet of Riverside in the Town of Southampton (the Riverhead/Southampton Town line); and, on the west by the Hamlets of Calverton and Baiting Hollow. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Riverhead has a different border than does the "Riverhead, NY 11901" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Riverhead mailing address and not be in Riverhead). These places that have a "Riverhead, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Riverhead are in the Hamlets of Northampton, Riverside and Flanders in the Town of Southampton, as well as in the Hamlets of Baiting Hollow and Northville in the Town of Riverhead. For those who have their copy of the 2004 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Riverhead in the Town of Riverhead, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 26 (map) and 27 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5766, Walter Greenspan * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah begins at sunset on Monday, October 3 on the civil calendar. . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

I am looking for a resource in Riverhead, Suffolk, NY for an obituary for a Hilda Bartels who passed away December 25 2001. I am trying to find living relatives. Are there newspapers in the area that carry obituaries, or for this area or libraries where I could find this information? I would appreciate any help. Thank you

Thank you very much for sending me the interesting information about the 3 Babylons. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com>; <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 4:12 AM Subject: LOCAL NEWSPAPER > > On 8/27/05 (11:20:04 AM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, > Anne > in Bolton, Lancashire (pne.anne@ntlworld.com) asked, > > "I would like to write a letter to a newspaper which is local to Babylon, > Long Island, enquiring if anyone knows of any descendants of Thomas COX > and his > wife Mary Jane COX (Nee Eastwood) from Bolton, Lancashire, England who > emigrated to there in 1906. Mary Jane was my husband's great aunt. > > I would be grateful if someone could give me the name and address or > e-mail > address of a newspaper to write to." > > > For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Babylon Public > Library: > > Babylon Public Library > 24 South Carll Avenue > Babylon, NY 11702 > > Tel: 631/669-1624 > Fax: 631/669-7826 > > eMail: bablref@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/babl/ > > > It is important to know that there are 3 "Babylons" (from smallest to > largest, in order of acreage): > > 1. There is the Village of Babylon > 2. There is the Babylon, NY 11702 postal zone > 3. There is the Town of Babylon > > > The pertinent geography: > > Babylon is a village (incorporated in 1893) in the southeast part of the > Town > of Babylon, in the southwest part of Suffolk County (along the > Babylon/Islip > town line). There are 3 villages (municipal corporations) and 12 hamlets > (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Babylon. There are no > cities > and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in > Suffolk > County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the > NYS > definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) > > Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of > Babylon in the Town of Babylon is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of > North > Babylon; on the east by the Hamlet of West Islip in the Town of Islip (the > Babylon/Islip town line); on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the > west by > the Hamlet of West Babylon. > > And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, > 31 > villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of Babylon has a different border > than > does the "Babylon, NY 11702" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Babylon > mailing address and not be in Babylon and a place can have other than a > Babylon > mailing address and be in Babylon). Those places that have a "Babylon, > NY" > mailing address that are not in the Village of Babylon are in the Hamlet > of > North Babylon and in the Hamlet of West Babylon; and, at the same time, > there are > places in the Village of Babylon with a "West Babylon, NY 11704" mailing > address. > > For those who have their copy of the 2004 or earlier edition of the LI > Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long > Island Power > Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to > access > and download the report), you'll find the Village of Babylon (incorporated > in > 1893) in the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 18 (map) and 19 > (population estimate). > > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > > > L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5766, > > Walter Greenspan > > * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) > Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah > and > the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev > v'taihatem" > (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May > you > be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah > begins > at sunset on Monday, October 3 on the civil calendar. > > . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State > > New York State is divided into counties. > > County > A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created > to > perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are > divided > into cities, towns and Indian reservations. > > City > A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. > Cities > are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal > geographic > areas. > > Town > A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the > state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be > sub-divided into villages and hamlets. > > Village > A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by > the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with > municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to > those of a > city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal > geographic > areas. > > Hamlet > A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed > at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, > which > are informal geographic areas. > > Postal Zone "City" and "Town" > A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established > by > the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and > "Town" > may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. > Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or > hamlet > location. > > > Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of > non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of > places have a > different community name in their mailing address than the community where > that > place is actually located. > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/1018.1.1 Message Board Post: Patricia- The Lewis Conklin that you mentioned was married and lived in East Hampton which is on the south fork of Long Island. Bethia Conklin who married Jonathan Horton of Southold appears to be from that geographic area, the north fork. Most of the Southold Conklin are descendants of John Conkelyne, the subject of Conklin Mann articles, "The Line of John Concklyne of Southold and Huntington," The American Genealogist. But I have not seen a genealogist yet list parents for Bethiah Conklin the wife of Jonathan Horton.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: MILLS CRANE CONKLIN CONKLING Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/1018.1 Message Board Post: Have you tried looking at other CONKLIN/G families who are in the same area and time frame. There was a Lewis B: abt 1672 who married Mary STRATTON B: abt 1676, who could have been a brother to your Bethia? Pat cw Just browsing by. There are also CONKLIN/G family found later in time in Essex Co, NJ who married into MILLS and CRANE.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: MILLS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/1046.2 Message Board Post: Have you had any correspondence with the gentleman who has the SMITH.ged that is referenced on many of the John MILLS - Rebecca SMITH family found here on rootsweb.com? They might be able to help you with your SMITH research, that is, if in the meantime, you have found that information elsewhere. I do not know who the author is, but possibly that might shed some light on your questions. pat cw

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: MILLS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/1071 Message Board Post: John MILLS - of Sussex Co, NJ is found on rootsweb.com as as a UE Loyalist asking for relief from the government in Grimsby, Ontario, Canada. Could this John be the John who is listed as having been born in Suffolk Co, NY as son of one of the many sons of George of Jamaica, LI NY. There is a John MILLS, listed as born 1733/1749 as son of Andrew MILLS and Sarah MOREHOUSE, does anyone have any inforamtion about this family line. Thank you

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On 8/27/05 (11:20:04 AM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Anne in Bolton, Lancashire (pne.anne@ntlworld.com) asked, "I would like to write a letter to a newspaper which is local to Babylon, Long Island, enquiring if anyone knows of any descendants of Thomas COX and his wife Mary Jane COX (Nee Eastwood) from Bolton, Lancashire, England who emigrated to there in 1906. Mary Jane was my husband's great aunt. I would be grateful if someone could give me the name and address or e-mail address of a newspaper to write to." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Babylon Public Library: Babylon Public Library 24 South Carll Avenue Babylon, NY 11702 Tel: 631/669-1624 Fax: 631/669-7826 eMail: bablref@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/babl/ It is important to know that there are 3 "Babylons" (from smallest to largest, in order of acreage): 1. There is the Village of Babylon 2. There is the Babylon, NY 11702 postal zone 3. There is the Town of Babylon The pertinent geography: Babylon is a village (incorporated in 1893) in the southeast part of the Town of Babylon, in the southwest part of Suffolk County (along the Babylon/Islip town line). There are 3 villages (municipal corporations) and 12 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Babylon. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Babylon in the Town of Babylon is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Babylon; on the east by the Hamlet of West Islip in the Town of Islip (the Babylon/Islip town line); on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of West Babylon. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of Babylon has a different border than does the "Babylon, NY 11702" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Babylon mailing address and not be in Babylon and a place can have other than a Babylon mailing address and be in Babylon). Those places that have a "Babylon, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Babylon are in the Hamlet of North Babylon and in the Hamlet of West Babylon; and, at the same time, there are places in the Village of Babylon with a "West Babylon, NY 11704" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2004 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Babylon (incorporated in 1893) in the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 18 (map) and 19 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5766, Walter Greenspan * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah begins at sunset on Monday, October 3 on the civil calendar. . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 8/27/05 (12:31:35 AM MDT), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Mary (mdtaffet@mailbox.syr.edu) asked, "I am seeking a copy of the obituary for Melvin J. SIEGEL of Commack, who died sometime within the last 2 weeks. He was born about 1925, and his funeral was within the last 3 or 4 days. I do not know what paper I should consult to try and find this obituary. Any ideas?" The Hamlet of Commack is partly in the Town of Huntington and partly in the Town of Smithtown and for questions such as yours, and depending upon which town (Huntington or Smithtown) the particular part of Commack is situated, you may want to contact either (or, both) the Commack Public Library or the Commack Branch of the Smithtown Public Library: Commack Public Library 18 Hauppauge Road Commack, NY 11725 Tel: 631/499-0888 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: http://commack.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ask.html http://commack.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ Commack Branch Smithtown Public Library 3 Indian Head Road Commack, NY 11725 Tel: 631/543-0998 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.smithlib.org/ The pertinent geography: Commack is a hamlet (unincorporated area) partly in the southeast part of the Town of Huntington and partly in the southwest part of the Town of Smithtown, in the northwest part of Suffolk County. There are 4 villages (municipal corporations) and 15 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Huntington. There are 3 villages and 8 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Smithtown. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Commack in the Towns of Huntington and Smithtown is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of East Northport, Town of Huntington, the Hamlet of Fort Salonga and the Hamlet of Kings Park in the Town of Smithtown; on the east by the Hamlet of Smithtown and the Hamlet of Hauppauge in the Town of Smithtown; on the south by the Hamlet of Brentwood in the Town of Islip and the Hamlet of Dix Hills in the Hamlet of Huntington; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Dix Hills and the Hamlet of Elwood in the Town of Huntington. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Commack has a different border than does the "Commack, NY 11725" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Commack mailing address and not be in Commack). Those places that have a "Commack, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Commack are in the Hamlet of Elwood in the Town of Huntington and the Hamlet of Smithtown in the Town of Smithtown. For those who have their copy of the 2004 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Commack in the Towns of Huntington and Smithtown, Suffolk County on pages 14, 16 & 22 (map) and 17 & 23 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5766, Walter Greenspan * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah begins at sunset on Monday, October 3 on the civil calendar. . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Beebe Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/1070 Message Board Post: I hope that someone will know the names of the wife and children of a Zilamus Beebe who is found in the Southold census years of l810 and l820. He may have been the son of Silas Beebe and was born around l777. It is possible that he died either in Southold or Orient in l838.

I would like to write a letter to a newspaper which is local to Babylon, Long Island, enquiring if anyone knows of any descendants of Thomas COX and his wife Mary Jane COX (Nee Eastwood) from Bolton, Lancashire, England who emigrated to there in 1906. Mary Jane was my husband's great aunt. I would be grateful if someone could give me the name and address or e-mail address of a newspaper to write to. Thank you, Anne in Bolton, Lancashire.

The German Genealogy Group will hold its next monthly meeting on Thursday, September 1st at: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The Family History Center 160 Washington Avenue Plainview, New York The program topic will be: “German Surnames: Origin and Meaning” with presenter Richard Haberstroh, CG author of The German Churches of Metropolitan New York Did you ever wonder about the meaning of the German surnames in your family? This talk may provide you with the kind of information that can help all who are researching their German ancestry to understand better the meaning and cultural context of their family's German surnames. Some of the specific topics that will be covered include the historical development of German family names, regional and dialectical differences, categories of names, as well as a general overview of how to better understand the origin and meaning of German names. Time will be available afterward for a question and answer period. We welcome all who are interested in researching their Germanic origins. There is no fee for guests and all are welcome. Visit our website at http://www.GermanGenealogyGroup.com and while there, be sure and visit our free, searchable databases. An Orientation session for beginners and newcomers will be held at 7 PM and the regular meeting will start at 7:30. Among the many benefits of membership are a newsletter published ten times a year, a database of surnames, a free translation service, a book and CD lending library, interesting guest speakers at the meetings, mentoring, a start-up kit of helpful information and much more.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jUB.2ACI/1068.1 Message Board Post: On 8/26/05 (6:24:15 PM MDT), in a posting to the Suffolk County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Bob Sammis (BOBSLED46@aol.com) asked, "In September I will be spending a few days in Eastern Long Island and will visit Sammis Beach in East Hampton. I am looking for information about who the beach is named for and any help with Sammis family members who lived in that area. I can be reached at BOBSLED46@aol.com. Any help greatly appreciated" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the East Hampton Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): East Hampton Library 159 Main Street East Hampton, NY 11937 Tel: 631/324-0222 Fax: 631/329-5947 eMail: ehamlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.easthamptonlibrary.org/ The pertinent geography: East Hampton is a village (incorporated in 1920) in the southwest part of the Town of East Hampton, in the southeast part of Suffolk County. There are currently 2 villages (municipal corporations) and 7 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of East Hampton. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of East Hampton in the Town of East Hampton is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Wainscott and the Hamlet of East Hampton North; on the east by the Hamlet of Amagansett; on the south by the Great South Bay; and on the west by the Hamlet of East Hampton. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of East Hampton has a different border than does the "East Hampton, NY 11937" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an East Hampton mailing address and not be in East Hampton). Those places that have an "East Hampton, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of East Hampton are in the Hamlet of East Hampton North, the Hamlet of Amagansett and the Hamlet of Springs. For those who have their copy of the 2004 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of East Hampton (incorporated in 1920) in the Town of East Hampton, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 32 (map) and 33 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5766, Walter Greenspan * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah begins at sunset on Monday, October 3 on the civil calendar. Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cardinale Belmont Onorato Lacovara Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUB.2ACI/1069 Message Board Post: new list has been started on roots-l for those who have an interest in the surname Cardinale. You can subscribe to the list in mail mode by sending a message to CARDINALE-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word Subscribe