Does anyone have access to cemetery information to look for an unknown male CHAPMAN who would have died 1856 to 1860 (under the age of 30) in the Stockholm NY area? I am searching for the Unknown CHAPMAN spouse of Lucinda WILLISTON CHAPMAN LEONARD. He would have been born probably in the 1820-1830's to Hiram and Mary Polly SMITH CHAPMAN, who lived on what is now Blind Crossing Rd, No. Stockholm, NY. On the 1860 US Census, Stockholm, St. Lawrence Co., NY, Lucinda (WILLISTON) CHAPMAN has a four year old son named Freddie CHAPMAN and they are both living with Hiram and Mary Polly SMITH CHAPMAN. Lucinda later married widow Hiram LEONARD and per census, Fred/Freddie took on the surname of LEONARD. I have checked Brookdale cemetery online, which I believe is the closest to Blind Crossing Rd. Mary Polly SMITH's father Jesse SMITH and grandfather Asahel SMITH, I believe are buried in East Part Cemetery, so that is a possibility. Any help or suggestions in finding unknown CHAPMAN, d 1856-1860 would be greatly appreciated, Diana Chapman Owen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Eaton, Mitchell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2RB.2ACE/5946.1.1.1.2.2.1 Message Board Post: I would be glad to share. Contact me at d1eaton@comcast.net. Among other things, I have Peter's discharge papers from 1812 War and info on Peter's wife's family. Pat

The earliest census to list parent and child names was 1850. The earliest records kept by the county were land records, wills and probate. If Nelson was a land owner you may find something in the land records at the county courthouse in Canton, NY. If a trip to the courthouse is not convenient and if hiring a local research might work for you, you could contact the St. Lawrence Historical association for a recommendation. Search 'slcha' and a link to their site will display. It's a tough period to try to find anything. The county was formed in 1802 from parts of 3 other counties. A great part of the county was wilderness in the early 1800's. Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland From: PALarge@aol.com To: NYSTLAWR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYSTLAWR] DeLong Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:24:52 EDT I have a Nelson DeLong born 24 Apr. 1808 in St. Lawrence Co. His father was Peter DeLong. His brother Anthony was born across the river in Cote du Lac Quebec ca 1803. Any information or pointers as to where to look for information on the family would be appreciated. Problem is Peter was a woodsman and probably was just following the work. Peggy Large UE "I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead". thanks to Jimmy Buffett!

I've been getting very informative information on my DeLong query so I'll try for a Taylor family who had a daughter Lydia born ca 1826 in NY. I don't know her parents names but she married Anthony DeLong. She named her daughters Louisa, Margaret, Rachael, Josephine and Jeannette. Her only son William Adolphus. As this was Anthony's second marriage (and he didn't name any of his sons after himself or his father Peter) I would tend to think her parents names are in here somewhere. Any help or advice appreciated. Peggy Large UE "I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead" thanks to Jimmy Buffett!

I have a Nelson DeLong born 24 Apr. 1808 in St. Lawrence Co. His father was Peter DeLong. His brother Anthony was born across the river in Cote du Lac Quebec ca 1803. Any information or pointers as to where to look for information on the family would be appreciated. Problem is Peter was a woodsman and probably was just following the work. Peggy Large UE "I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead". thanks to Jimmy Buffett!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Eaton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/5946.1.1.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Pat, you posted a note in 2002 regarding the Eaton family in St. Lawrence New York. I hope this message can still connect with a current email address that you have. I have a Lewis Eaton who was born in 1827 in St. Lawrence, New York. He moved to Wisconsin (Dodge County) in the 1840s. Eventually, he moved also to both Nebraska and finally to Idaho. I have his death certificate from 1918 that states that his father was named Peter. It is possible that Lewis is one of the several children of Peter. I have some information that states that other children moved to Wisconsin if you want to share.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Reynolds Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8527 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on the family of Thomas Reynolds age 47 in the 1850 census living as a farmer in Brasher, St Lawrence co. NY. he is 1312/1332 page 795/398 in the census records.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8526.1 Message Board Post: Go to this site: www.northcountrynow.com Along the left side of the page are various links. One is 'worship'. It lists current churches in many north country towns including the Catholic church in Hopkinton. You also would likely find it using www.411.com. Note - it is always a good idea to post the surname(s) of interest on the message board. There may be people on the list with useful info but you did not post any surname. If and when you do that, also repeat the 1915 marriage date and any other relevant dates you know of. Hope this helps - Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Varney Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8526 Message Board Post: I am trying to find out the name and address of a Catholic Church in Hopkinton where James William Varney and Nancy Newton were married on November 25, 1915. Any assistance would greatly be appreciated.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8525.1.1 Message Board Post: It only list his father the late Aaron Allen.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Allen Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8525.1 Message Board Post: What is the ancestry of Ethan W Allen? The obit doesn't give his parent's, etc.

In a message dated 5/7/2006 12:02:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, russxsprague@hotmail.com writes: > http://www.census.gov/pubinfo/www/photos/Histforms/Hist1880-1970.html Hi Yes, it is great, but then again we still have the problem as to whom did the Census taker talk to when he got the information. So everyone must be aware that all stated lmight not be correct. A Clue but not a Fact. Pat R

From: Christopher Lyttle <chris_lyttle@yahoo.com> To: "Russell Sprague" <russxsprague@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [NYJEFFER] [NYSTLAWR] Looking ahead in Genealogy Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 01:07:33 -0500 You can see pictures of the forms used at the US Census Bureau Web site < http://www.census.gov/pubinfo/www/photos/Histforms/Hist1880-1970.html >. One must be careful when talking about sampling and the Census. There are different forms used, and who gets which is decided on a sampling basis. However, the Census does attempt to enumerate everyone - it does try to "touch" every household (to the extent possible). There was quite a controversy over this at the time of the 2000 Census. The Census Bureau proposed, and most of academia supported, the use of sampling methodology to achieve a single best guess count. The main issue is that there are systematic under counts in some areas (especially urban areas with high concentrations of emigrant populations), and the only way to adjust the counts is by some educated guessing. The under counts, of course, have important political impact through the allocation of seats in the House. Here is one discussion of the sampling issue: < http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc99/3_6_99/bob1.htm>. Note the Supreme Court decision that prohibits the use of sampling "to obtain population figures for determining how many of the 435 seats in the House of Representatives go to each of the 50 states. " None of this is to say that the Census actually does "touch every household" or enumerate every citizen. Nobody knows better than genealogists how badly the Census can fail. Chris Lyttle At 09:05 PM 5/6/2006, you wrote: Wow - that is a trip to the past and a look to the future.  In 1960 it asks for various housing value ranges where the top dollar amount is $35,000 plus.  Hmmm, now what would I get in the metro DC area for that kind of money? Based on a quick look, I think the last time the whole nation got the same questionnare was 1950.  If the current methods stay put (census released after 70 years), that one will become public in 2020.  I think after that things will go downhill somewhat as sampling was used rather than the census bureau trying to 'touch' every household. Fortunately there are many other records to search - church, newspaper, cemetery, wills, land records, etc. that cover the 10 year gaps between the cenuses. Russ From: PNUTREG@cs.com To: russxsprague@hotmail.com, NYSTLAWR-L@rootsweb.com, NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com,        NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYSTLAWR] Looking ahead in Genealogy Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:49:18 EDT Hi Russ We know the information is not public and for the life of me I cannot verify what I might of answered on my Census sheets in the past.  I wish I had saved a copy or taken notes regarding the questions I was asked to compare with. But, I only did that the last time. However here is the website that I use for reference regarding information that will be on these Census when the time comes to release them and I believe it is as close as one can get to the accurate questions asked on each Census year. http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/tEnumForm.html Warm Regards Pat R. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection.  Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Dennis, From the St. Law. Co. Historian's Office: Ezekiel Allen was a sailor and married Sarah Hassam of Manchester who was born Dec. 25, 1727. Their three children were: Jonathan, Benjamin and Ezekiel, Jr., the latter after his father was drowned at sea in Nov. or Dec. 1752. The mother lived until Sept. 12. 1803. No mention of an Ira. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Bushaw" <gbushaw@verizon.net> To: <NYSTLAWR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYSTLAWR] Ira Allen Family > Dennis, Jonathan Allen, I believe is the son of Ezekiel Allen. He shows > up in the 1810 census for Madrid, but was living on the River near > Waddington as early as 1802. He was a Civil War soldier and his > application for a pension shows up in the HeritageQuest on line website. > I do not have Ira as one of his children. Good luck. Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <dallen24@trip.net> > To: <NYSTLAWR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:44 PM > Subject: [NYSTLAWR] Ira Allen Family > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Surnames: Allen >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8522 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hi. I'm trying to trace my Allen family tree, hope someone here can >> help. I'm a descendant of Charles H Allen, born in 1830 Norfolk, St. >> Lawrence, married to Almira Heaton. A son of Ira, he started his family >> in Norfolk, St. Lawrence, NY, but moved to Ottawa County, MI. His father >> was Ira Allen, b: Feb 20, 1783 Vermont married to Laura Palmer. Both Ira >> and Laura died in Norfolk, St. Lawrence. >> >> I trying to find the parents and grandparents of Ira Allen. Most web >> sites list Ira's parents as Jonathan Allen and Margaret Hoffcut. These >> sites list Jonathan Allen, the son of Ezekiel Allen and Sarah Hassam, as >> seen in. >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/scripts/data/database.cgi?file=Data&report=SingleArticle&ArticleID=0000270, a >> web page derived from "Allen Family Records by J. Montgomery Seaver." >> and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dbatten/allen.html a web >> page derived from "ALLEN Family of Manchester, Mass., to 1886, by J. >> Price.". Now I got both books, but they only go from William Allen 1602 >> to Jonathan H Allen July 29, 1753. They don't list Jonathan's spouse or >> children. So I have no direct spoof of either Ira Allen's parents or >> Jonathan Allen's parents. >> >> Question(s). Is Jonathan Allen, the one listed in >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dbatten/jallennotes.html, the >> parent of my Ira Allen ? Is his parent Ezekiel Allen? Or is it >> Ebenezeer Allen, uncle to Ethan Allen? >> >> Any information would be greatly appreciated...Dennis >> >> >

Dennis, Jonathan Allen, I believe is the son of Ezekiel Allen. He shows up in the 1810 census for Madrid, but was living on the River near Waddington as early as 1802. He was a Civil War soldier and his application for a pension shows up in the HeritageQuest on line website. I do not have Ira as one of his children. Good luck. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <dallen24@trip.net> To: <NYSTLAWR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: [NYSTLAWR] Ira Allen Family > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Allen > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8522 > > Message Board Post: > > Hi. I'm trying to trace my Allen family tree, hope someone here can help. > I'm a descendant of Charles H Allen, born in 1830 Norfolk, St. Lawrence, > married to Almira Heaton. A son of Ira, he started his family in Norfolk, > St. Lawrence, NY, but moved to Ottawa County, MI. His father was Ira > Allen, b: Feb 20, 1783 Vermont married to Laura Palmer. Both Ira and > Laura died in Norfolk, St. Lawrence. > > I trying to find the parents and grandparents of Ira Allen. Most web > sites list Ira's parents as Jonathan Allen and Margaret Hoffcut. These > sites list Jonathan Allen, the son of Ezekiel Allen and Sarah Hassam, as > seen in. > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/scripts/data/database.cgi?file=Data&report=SingleArticle&ArticleID=0000270, a > web page derived from "Allen Family Records by J. Montgomery Seaver." and > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dbatten/allen.html a web page > derived from "ALLEN Family of Manchester, Mass., to 1886, by J. Price.". > Now I got both books, but they only go from William Allen 1602 to Jonathan > H Allen July 29, 1753. They don't list Jonathan's spouse or children. So > I have no direct spoof of either Ira Allen's parents or Jonathan Allen's > parents. > > Question(s). Is Jonathan Allen, the one listed in > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dbatten/jallennotes.html, the > parent of my Ira Allen ? Is his parent Ezekiel Allen? Or is it Ebenezeer > Allen, uncle to Ethan Allen? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated...Dennis > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Allen,Wolstenholme Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8525 Message Board Post: This obit is from the Massena Observer, March 2,1922. It is a clipping I have, no family connection. Allen Family is Doubly Bereaved. Wife died Monday and Husband Yesterday. Mr. and Mrs. Ethan W. Allen Victims of Pneumonia and Pass Away Within Forty-six Hours-Double Funeral Today. One of the saddest events occourring in this vicinity in many years is the death of Mr and Mrs Ethan W. Allen at their home on the county road, one mile west of this village. Mrs. Allen's death taking place Monday morning at 7:00 o'clock and Mr. Allen's following her yesterday morning at 5:00 o'clock. A double funeral will be held at the family home this afternoon at 2:00 o'clock. Interment will be in Pine Grove cemetery. Both Mr and Mrs Allen had been very ill of pneumonis, Mrs Allen being stricken last Wednesday and Mr Allen had been ill a few days longer. Mrs Allen's death occurred rather unexpectedly Monday morning, a weak heart being inable to with stand the ravages of the disease. At that time Mr Allen was seriously ill, but Tuesday morning appeared to be improved and arrangement were made for a private funeral for Mrs Allen yesterday. Tuesday evening Mr Allen grew rapidly worse and died yesterday morning. Ethan W. Allen was born in the town of Louisville, July 17,1895, a son of the late Aaron Allen, one of the pioneer settlers of the town, and all his life had been spent in that town, where he followed farming. Feb. 14, 1895, he married Miss Mary Crooks Wolstenholme, of Massena. To them three children were born, all surviving, Mrs. Reginald J. Short of Massena, Edith and Ethan Jr., who live at home. He is suvived by one brother, Henry A. Allen, who resided with his brother and their business was carried under the name Allen Bros. Mrs. Allen was born in Derbyshire, England, June 2,1870, daughter of the late Henry and Elizabeth Wolstenholme. When Mrs Allen was 18 years old the family came to Moulinette, Ont., and four years later moved to Massena and in 1895, as stated above, she married Mr Allen. Besides her children she is survived by five brothers, John Wolstenholme, who is in the Canadian Northwest, Walter Wolstenholme, of Massena , George H. Wolstenholme of West Stockholm, Frank Wolstenholme of Norwood and Herbert Wolstenholme of Louisville; also one sister, Mrs. Thomas Lettis, of Massena. The bereaved family has the sincere sympathy of a large circle of friends in their double sorrow. ( The 1895 date for Ethan for his birth and marriage is what is in the obit.)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8522.1.1 Message Board Post: Of course any information you have would be welcomed! I'm still looking for proof that Ira Allen, the one who married Laura Palmer, is indeed the son of Jonathan Hasham Allen and Margaret Hoffcut. Just out of curiosity, which child of Ira Allen and Laura Palmer are you a descendant? If you want to email directly me, my address is dennis@dennisallen.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2RB.2ACE/8522.1 Message Board Post: I am afraid I can't help find Jonathan's father but I am descended from his son, Ira and have a fair amt of info on that part of the family if you are interested. I will be interested to know if you can find an answer to your question. Terry

Russ Glad you liked that site. Also, for $35,000. today I would suggest a "fast" move and don't really think you could get much in upstate NY anymore either. Pat