Leslie, Here are two references to "Wilbur's Basin": 1. http://mccarthy.montana.com/Articles/EarlyAmericanHistoryNotes.html The McCarthys In Early American History by Michael J. O'Brien. Originally published by: Dodd, Mead and Company, New York, 1921. This book was scanned and converted to text, for the most part, by Kathy (Burden) Shaffer. Conversion to webpages was done by Bruce A. Johnson. p. 186-188 The John McCarthy family (with references to 2 other works). 2. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysarato/Sylvester/chap33.html HISTORY OF SARATOGA COUNTY, NEW YORK. by NATHANIEL BARTLETT SYLVESTER 1878 -------------------- HISTORY OF THE VILLAGES AND TOWNS OF SARATOGA COUNTY. STILLWATER (Part 1). Reference to John McCarty [sic] whose daughter married a Wilbur. McCarty apparently purchased land before the Rev War. Dee >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 > >Dear List, > >Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >Fitch states: > >On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men > Tories escorted to Lake George from >"Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) > > Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >basin" and crossed the Hudson. > >Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even living >in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. > >What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > >Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of Abraham >Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott is >located in Great Lott 15. > >Thank you for your help, > >Leslie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ >>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >Academy Awards® >http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:42:32 -0500 >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002801c74221$640b61d0$0fa8c318@tiger> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the area. >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:29:17 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002101c74227$e8b39730$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Mary, > >Thank you for the URL for the Park Service's report. I hope that you were >successful in finding information on the Fones family. > >Leslie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:41:33 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com>, <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002c01c74229$9f289dc0$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Chuck, > >Thank you for your help. > >Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that I would be reading about >military history, but I am. Last night I was reading "With Burgoyne from >Quebec", which is Volume I of "Travels Thought the Interior Party of North >America" by Thomas Anbury, who was one of the officers who served under >Burgoyne during the Saratoga campaign. > >Thomas Anbury wrote about the bridge of boats that the Royal Army had >constructed at the mouth of the Kroma Kill, the creek that drains the great >ravine in Great Lott 16 of the Saratoga Patent. So Asa Fitch was correct >when he reported that the British had crossed the Hudson River at "Wilbur's >basin", even though the area was not called Wilbur's basin until well into >the 19th century. The British did not pay a bit of attention to the Great >Lott lines in the Saratoga Patent or to the names of the tenant farmers. So >I suspect that the British just marched through Samuel Bacon's farm (Farm # >1, Great Lott 16) to get to the bridge of boats that they had moved down >stream during their attempt to reach Albany. > >Thanks again. > >Leslie > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:42 AM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the area >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the NYSARATO list administrator, send an email to >NYSARATO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the NYSARATO mailing list, send an email to NYSARATO@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 >***************************************

Hi Dee, Thank you for your help. The McCarthy In Early American History looks to be particularly interesting. My training is in the law, not in genealogy. So I struggle with genealogy. Unfortunately, NO ONE got good fee simple title to their land in New York State until 1841, when the New York State Legislature finally got around to abolishing the Roman/Dutch land conveyancing system. John McCarthy had a freehold for 1/2 of Farm # 2, Great Lott 16 from General Philip Schuyler. John McCarthy was occupying his farm prior to Schuyler's having granted a least to John Freeman on August 2, 1768. (McCarthy is mentioned in the metes and bounds of Freeman's freehold lease.) So like everyone else in the Saratoga Patent, John McCarthy was a tenant farmer. (The fact that New Englanders were unable to purchase land in the Province of New York, was one of the big reasons that New York was not settled earlier.) The fact that the Roman/Dutch law relied on a medieval land leasing system makes research in New York incredible difficult as compared with the surrounding colonies, which used the English common law system of land conveyancing. Thanks again, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <gen612701@verizon.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 Leslie, Here are two references to "Wilbur's Basin": 1. http://mccarthy.montana.com/Articles/EarlyAmericanHistoryNotes.html The McCarthys In Early American History by Michael J. O'Brien. Originally published by: Dodd, Mead and Company, New York, 1921. This book was scanned and converted to text, for the most part, by Kathy (Burden) Shaffer. Conversion to webpages was done by Bruce A. Johnson. p. 186-188 The John McCarthy family (with references to 2 other works). 2. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysarato/Sylvester/chap33.html HISTORY OF SARATOGA COUNTY, NEW YORK. by NATHANIEL BARTLETT SYLVESTER 1878 -------------------- HISTORY OF THE VILLAGES AND TOWNS OF SARATOGA COUNTY. STILLWATER (Part 1). Reference to John McCarty [sic] whose daughter married a Wilbur. McCarty apparently purchased land before the Rev War. Dee >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 > >Dear List, > >Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >Fitch states: > >On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men > Tories escorted to Lake George > from >"Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) > > Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >basin" and crossed the Hudson. > >Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >living >in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. > >What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > >Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >Abraham >Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >is >located in Great Lott 15. > >Thank you for your help, > >Leslie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ >>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >Academy Awards® >http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:42:32 -0500 >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002801c74221$640b61d0$0fa8c318@tiger> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to >the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A >thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the >area. >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc >on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division >> of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >>>the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:29:17 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002101c74227$e8b39730$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Mary, > >Thank you for the URL for the Park Service's report. I hope that you were >successful in finding information on the Fones family. > >Leslie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division >> of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >>>the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:41:33 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com>, <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002c01c74229$9f289dc0$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Chuck, > >Thank you for your help. > >Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that I would be reading about >military history, but I am. Last night I was reading "With Burgoyne from >Quebec", which is Volume I of "Travels Thought the Interior Party of North >America" by Thomas Anbury, who was one of the officers who served under >Burgoyne during the Saratoga campaign. > >Thomas Anbury wrote about the bridge of boats that the Royal Army had >constructed at the mouth of the Kroma Kill, the creek that drains the great >ravine in Great Lott 16 of the Saratoga Patent. So Asa Fitch was correct >when he reported that the British had crossed the Hudson River at "Wilbur's >basin", even though the area was not called Wilbur's basin until well into >the 19th century. The British did not pay a bit of attention to the Great >Lott lines in the Saratoga Patent or to the names of the tenant farmers. So >I suspect that the British just marched through Samuel Bacon's farm (Farm # >1, Great Lott 16) to get to the bridge of boats that they had moved down >stream during their attempt to reach Albany. > >Thanks again. > >Leslie > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:42 AM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to >the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A >thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the area >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc >on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division >> of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >>>the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the NYSARATO list administrator, send an email to >NYSARATO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the NYSARATO mailing list, send an email to >NYSARATO@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 >*************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message