Tim Don't have much time to get into this as I have a class to attend in an hour but the Harden's were relatives of Abe Lincoln's. Their ancestry all ran back to Harden County, KY(?).<Gone brain dead. They were also related to the Walworth's who had kin out that way too. When Ellen Harden's widowed mother married the widower Reuben Hyde Walworth here in Saratoga, daughter Ellen Harden lived here with mama and step dad Reuben. Reuben had a son Mansfield. Stepdaughter Ellen married Mansfield. One of the sensational murders in the newspapers here was Ellen's son killed his father because he so abused Ellen. Wife abuse is not a new thing. This was a very prominent family here. When Reuben Hyde Walworth held court, he would listen to both sides and make a quick decision. Some of Napoleon's men were here at his court. The best part of going to the court at Reuben's? He dispensed with everything quickly and everyone - winner or loser - were invited to stay for food and spirits and all usually stayed. These were very popular occasions and many a who's who of the world knew Reuben. The interesting thing is that when I read about their place I thought it would be on upper Broadway in the big mansions toward Skidmore College. WELL, it was a one-horse lot compared to the big ones on up the street on upper Broadway. Today it has a gas station sitting on it and is next to the Firehouse Restaurant (currently closed) and across the street from the big Civic Center at the intersection of Rt 50 and Rt. 9P (Van Dam and Broadway). I live just up the street a few blocks and when I go by there, I often think about all of the people who had been on that lot. When the last member of the Walworth family died in the 1950's, it was the instructions of the family that the house be torn down. There are pictures but there is nothing like the houses of the past. If anyone knows Saratoga Springs, there is another move underway by someone who wants to develop the old Rip Van Dam Hotel. His plans keep changing every appearance. First he wanted to rip off the wing in the back. And glass in the beautiful old front porch into a restaurant so you could only sit on the front porch if you were in the restaurant. This is a big thing for tourists to go up on the porch and into the lobby and look around. His latest plan is to glass in the porch on left and right and make it commercial offices for some big company. They would have to hang plants or shutters to be in there when the sun is on it. I would love to see a campaign as this is one of the last of the beauties in downtown Saratoga. He now wants to develop it into office spaces when it was originally suppose to become a hotel for a national chain. All the city fathers see is $$$. They may find they will cut their own throats if they do because that is what brings tourists to that end of town. The other beauty is next door - The Adelphi Hotel which was previously owned by a gangster and the current owners have kept it pretty much the way it was back in the 30s or 40s. Great place to roam through and eat. That is why we don't want to see that huge porch next door at the Rip Van Dam with the high columns all glassed in. If you ever get here, be sure and find the books about Saratoga Springs that show pictures of the buildings that don't exist any longer. This area is so rich in history and they need to wake up to what they have before it is gone. They are all at the Saratoga Springs Library. Got to run. God Bless Ruth Ann [email protected] From: Tim Morrissey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:56:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Catholic Cemeteries in Saratoga County, NY Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> I have the BURNEY, BIRNEY, BERNEY family in the RC cemetery of St Mary's of the Assumption, Waterford, Saratoga County, New York. I have confirmation of the plot and lot number and confirmation of most graves with and without monumnets and pix of some. Most are d. 1878-1910. BTW I can't help but notice the reference to Helen Walworth. When my family, the MORRISSEY family left Saratoga County 1854-1863 where did they go? Walworth County, Wisconsin. Coincidence? Hmmmmm. Slainte, Tim [email protected] wrote: > Hello Saratoga people, > > As most of you know, Cornelius Durkee compiled his Epitaghs with > the recording of stones found in cemeteries all over Saratoga Co. > in 1876-77. Did a wonderful job for the most part EXCEPT he did > not care for Catholics so he didn't copy any that were around. As a > matter of fact, in copying Greenridge Cemetery in Saratoga Springs, > he notes that in the front of the cemetery along Lincoln Ave is what > is known as the "Catholic" section which he states he chose not > to copy. Well, he also noted that in his opinion the Irish Catholics > did little for Saratoga Springs so he chose not to copy it for that > reason with the exception of a few "notable" people. > > Amongst the few notable people was Ellen Harden Walworth, > step-daughter of Reuben Hyde Walworth - last Chancelor of NYS. > Well, that was not what she was noted for as much as being one > of the founders of the DAR. (I cannot tell you who the others were) > > While discussing all of the cemeteries that are in progress or > already copied that we can get up on the Saratoga GenWebPage, > I suddenly realized that there did not seem to be a compiled list > of the Catholic cemeteries. Hmm, how might we start that list? > > >>>>ATTENTION<<<<< > > If your records show your ancestor in any Catholic or ethnic > cemetery in Saratoga County, please just send this list the name > of the cemetery and the town it is in. Brief discription or location > might be good also. AND if you have ever seen a completed list, > map or anything else compiled that we might try and get a copy, > that would really be great!! Did you visit the church or caretaker? > Please help us to obtain as much of this information as possible. > We are going to need more volunteers to copy cemeteries and > others to compile these into databases. > > put Saratoga Cemetery in Subject window, please. > > God Bless > Ruth Ann > [email protected] > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.