hi terri, do you know anything of the gordon family of victory mills ny ? thank you bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri" <taire@webtv.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] SNOW family > > Annette - > > Sadly, I can't respond to your question about Solomon's --- if any help > at all, my Snow's are the Mayflower connected line. > You might try researching them -- if you haven't already. There was/is a > BUNCH of 'em -- lotsa males in each generation and usually all large > families. > > Stay well -- Terri > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 > >

Annette - Sadly, I can't respond to your question about Solomon's --- if any help at all, my Snow's are the Mayflower connected line. You might try researching them -- if you haven't already. There was/is a BUNCH of 'em -- lotsa males in each generation and usually all large families. Stay well -- Terri

Terri, How many Solomon SNOW's do you have in your family? I"m searching specifically for Emma SNOW, 1852-1936, daughter of Solomon (1808 - 1885) and Minerva (born 1819, d. unknown). Emma m. Henry MAINES in 1878. All of them are buried in Chautauqua County, New York, but I think all of them were born in Massachussetts, except for Henry, who immigrated from Ireland. Annette Today's Topics: 1. Seymour Hunter (Terri) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:33:45 -0800 From: taire@webtv.net (Terri) Subject: [NYSARATO] Seymour Hunter To: nysarato@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6562-45E19E49-3893@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Joanne -- Figured you had the info of "same name" patterns in families -- it was one of those "just in case" places. :)) Glad to hear it's not one of your problems in your research -- it sure can get mind-boggling!! I have 4 Jabez Snows who all married an Elizabeth, large Snow family, and just about every son in every generation named a son Jabez!!!! Real struggle to keep things straight! Keep well -- Terri ------------------------------ To contact the NYSARATO list administrator, send an email to NYSARATO-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NYSARATO mailing list, send an email to NYSARATO@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 27 *************************************** <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Joanne -- Figured you had the info of "same name" patterns in families -- it was one of those "just in case" places. :)) Glad to hear it's not one of your problems in your research -- it sure can get mind-boggling!! I have 4 Jabez Snows who all married an Elizabeth, large Snow family, and just about every son in every generation named a son Jabez!!!! Real struggle to keep things straight! Keep well -- Terri

Leslie, yes, you're absolutely right! I read about those early and active Hutners in Saratoga Co. on the Saratoga USGenWeb site. My Hunter family was a latecomer - they came to Fulton Co. from northern Ireland in 1842 and then Thomas, the only son, moved to Saratoga after his marriage in 1852. I don't know if the draw was good land or just getting away from the sisters (!), but the family stayed there. Since Thomas was born in Ireland, it makes it a bit easier to distinguish his descendants (although, of course, children don't always get their parents' birthplaces right). Anyway, thanks for the info - "trivia" as you call it is all important information! Joanne

Terri and Joanne, I have not jumped into this discussion because I am working in a much earlier time period. However, I feel compelled to tell you about one of the other Hunter families. John Hunter (1722-1776) and his sons settled in Great Lott 5 Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent, well before the Rev War. Although John Hunter, (Sr.) died in 1776, his sons, George, John (Jr.), Moses, Samuel and Robert Hunter show Ballstown and Saratoga District Tax lists for Albany County during the early national period. John Hunter's sons married into families of some of the other 1779-Saratoga District taxpayers. So although I have not done a lot of genealogical work on the descendants of 1722-John Hunter's sons, it is possible that you have encountered some of 1722-John Hunter's descendants when you have found "other Hunter families" in Saratoga County. Hope this trivia helps. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Gaudio" <jgaudio@charter.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Seymour Hunter > Terri - you're right, of course. In this case, however, I don't think > there > could be a link because I know the background of Thomas Hunter very well. > But you're right to caution us - genealogy can be VERY complicated! (I > guess that's what makes it such fun.) Joanne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Terri - you're right, of course. In this case, however, I don't think there could be a link because I know the background of Thomas Hunter very well. But you're right to caution us - genealogy can be VERY complicated! (I guess that's what makes it such fun.) Joanne

I am trying to locate information on my gggrandfather's parents and/or siblings. My gggrandfather was named William H. Elliot b. 1834 in New York (unknown if state of city). His parents were supposedly Wm Elliot of Ireland and ?McLarnon of Ireland. William H. Elliot married Lucinda Brewster Card in either 1858 or 1860 (I have seen both dates), daughter of Henry Bradford Card and Elizabeth Chapin. Lucinda was born in Corinth in 1833. The entire family at some point moved to Wisconsin and farmed there. If anyone has any information on the Elliot's I would greatly appreciate it. William H. Elliot was listed as a Veterinarian on his death certificate, but in the 1870 Census he was farming some of Henry Card's land. He died in 1910. I have a large amount of information on the Card Family from a great aunt's DAR application. Thank you in advance. Kathy in NV

Joanne -- Using the same names as "the other Hunter family" may not be as "odd" as you'd think -- it might actually be a good clue, as it might indicate a relationship between the two families. 'Course, then as now, there's always "popular" names, but I can't tell you how many "same names" I've come across in my family lines. Stay well -- Terri

I just put a query on the list asking if anyone knew the parents of Seymour Hunter, whom the Barkersville Cemetery listing says are Thomas and Mary Hunter. However, I finally waded my way through many misspelled listings and discovered that the cemetery transcription notes for the Barkersville Cemetery are wrong and his parents are actually Martin and Martha Hunter of Providence, Saratoga Co. (same place as my Hunters) - Martha lived with Seymour in 1920, and in 1880 I finally found him misspelled as Senour. The odd thing is that in naming his children, he used several names common to the other Hunter family. Just goes to show that you have to research everything and expect coincidences! Joanne Gaudio

The Providence Township cemetery index on the Saratoga Co. usgenweb site says that Seymour Hunter (1874-1946), husband of Lena Brooks (1882-1964) and father of Daisy and Eugene, was the son of Thomas T. and Mary E. Hunter, and all of them are buried in the Barkersville Cemetery. However, although the other children given for Thomas and Mary are correct, Seymour does not appear in the 1880 census with the family, and I cannot find him anywhere else in 1880. Does anyone know who Seymour Hunter's parents are and/or where he was in 1880? Thanks. Joanne Gaudio

I'm looking for information on the Thomas T. (1833-1911) and Mary E. Coughf (1838-1890) HUNTER family, who moved to Saratoga Co. after their marriage in Fulton Co. in 1856. Thomas Hunter was born in Northern Ireland and came to NY with his mother and sisters in 1842, after the death of his father. Thomas and Mary had the following children that I know of: Elizabeth Anne (1858-1932) married her first cousin James Hunter Ripton (1851-1918) and moved to Fulton Co.; James D. (1861-1928) married Maretta Clute (1857-1928) and remained in Saratoga; Maria (b. 1865); Albert C. (1867-1941) married Minnie Briggs (1873-1958) and remained in Saratoga; Rachel (b&d 1871); and Rosa E. (1877-1955) married Martin W. Bills (1869-1933) and remained in Saratoga. As far as I know, only Elizabeth, James and Albert had children. I've found burials for most of the older family members on the Saratoga Co. website, but I know little else about the family. Thomas Hunter is my great-great grandmother's only brother, and I'd like to include more information on him and his family in the family history I'm wriiting. Thank you for any information. Joanne Gaudio

We will have a outline of his talk in our newsletter. Carol

I ALSO CANNOT MAKE MEETING, AM ON EASTERN END OF LONG ISLAND AND WEATHER IS BAD WOULD LIKE SOME INFO ABOUT GORDON FAMILY OF VICTORY MILLS NY. THANK YOU, BILL ----- Original Message ----- From: "P.S. Blackwell" <shyswan@adelphia.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Heritage Hunters I had hoped to be able to travel to the meeting, but we will have Presidents' Day houseguests for a few days. Is it possible that some outline of Lynn's talk and information may be made available in the next edition of HERITAGE HUNTERS or in this maillist? I'm sorry to miss his talk; I'm sure it will be invaluable. I hope he can give another in more reliable weather. Warm regards to all Pat On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:56 PM, CWald36709@aol.com wrote: > > > Lynn Calvin, Forensic Genealogist, will offer “Guidelines to > Finding Elusive > Information” on Saturday, February 17, at 1 pm at the Saratoga > Springs > Public Library. Owner of Wathojax Saratoga County Historical > Publications, Lynn > is a volunteer at the Saratoga County Historian’s Office and > regularly helps > people with their genealogical research. He uses what some call > the “backdoor” > approach to finding less obvious information, which he will share > with us. > Lynn has compiled many records within that office such as > Naturalizations > and other records that needed to be organized and computerized. He > has steadily > worked at getting many records in order and user friendly at the > County > Historian's. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 2/15/2007

I had hoped to be able to travel to the meeting, but we will have Presidents' Day houseguests for a few days. Is it possible that some outline of Lynn's talk and information may be made available in the next edition of HERITAGE HUNTERS or in this maillist? I'm sorry to miss his talk; I'm sure it will be invaluable. I hope he can give another in more reliable weather. Warm regards to all Pat On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:56 PM, CWald36709@aol.com wrote: > > > Lynn Calvin, Forensic Genealogist, will offer “Guidelines to > Finding Elusive > Information” on Saturday, February 17, at 1 pm at the Saratoga > Springs > Public Library. Owner of Wathojax Saratoga County Historical > Publications, Lynn > is a volunteer at the Saratoga County Historian’s Office and > regularly helps > people with their genealogical research. He uses what some call > the “backdoor” > approach to finding less obvious information, which he will share > with us. > Lynn has compiled many records within that office such as > Naturalizations > and other records that needed to be organized and computerized. He > has steadily > worked at getting many records in order and user friendly at the > County > Historian's. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Is there any way I can get a copy of Lynn Calvin's talk "Finding Elusive Information". I'm having some difficulty. How bar back was Naturalization needed to enter the country? I'm looking for a family that came in the late 1600's to early 1700's. Didn't most people just move wherever they wanted in that time frame? Sincerely, Joanna ----- Original Message ----- From: <CWald36709@aol.com> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com>; <NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com>; <NY-WARWASHSAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: [NYSARATO] Heritage Hunters > > > Lynn Calvin, Forensic Genealogist, will offer “Guidelines to Finding > Elusive > Information” on Saturday, February 17, at 1 pm at the Saratoga Springs > Public Library. Owner of Wathojax Saratoga County Historical > Publications, Lynn > is a volunteer at the Saratoga County Historian’s Office and regularly > helps > people with their genealogical research. He uses what some call the > “backdoor” > approach to finding less obvious information, which he will share with > us. > Lynn has compiled many records within that office such as Naturalizations > and other records that needed to be organized and computerized. He has > steadily > worked at getting many records in order and user friendly at the County > Historian's. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynn Calvin, Forensic Genealogist, will offer “Guidelines to Finding Elusive Information” on Saturday, February 17, at 1 pm at the Saratoga Springs Public Library. Owner of Wathojax Saratoga County Historical Publications, Lynn is a volunteer at the Saratoga County Historian’s Office and regularly helps people with their genealogical research. He uses what some call the “backdoor” approach to finding less obvious information, which he will share with us. Lynn has compiled many records within that office such as Naturalizations and other records that needed to be organized and computerized. He has steadily worked at getting many records in order and user friendly at the County Historian's.

Does anyone have time to do a lookup in the library? I found this information at Ancestry.com, but I live in Florida. I believe this may be my gggrandfather. I already found his declaration of intent (1877) and naturalization record (1879) in Albany County. According to the 1870 Census he lived in Providence, Saratoga County. Is it possible to file in two different counties in two different years (1868, below, and 1877, in Albany)? Any help is gratefully appreciated. I already know where he came from, Wigtonshire, Scotland, but I'd really like to find a date of emigration and/or ship name. The rest of his family emigrated to Ontario via NYC in 1852. He was not listed on the passenger list with them, so he's still a bit of a mystery. Thanks & Best Regards, Robert MacMurray Name: Alexander McMurray Year: 1868 Place: New York, NY Source Publication Code: 6041.52 Primary Immigrant: McMurray, Alexander Annotation: Date and place of naturalization. County of origin and names of witnesses are also provided. Source Bibliography: NATURALIZATIONS IN SARATOGA COUNTY BEFORE 1880. In The Saratoga (Valley Quarterlies, Rhinebeck, NY). vol. 8:4 (Fourth Quarter, 1991), pp. 135-137 (K-L); vol. 9:1 (First Quarter, 1992), pp. 3-6 (L-M); vol. 9:2 (Second Quarter, 1992), pp. 67-68 (M); vol. 9:3 (Third Quarter, 1992), pp. 91-94 (M); vol. 9:4 (Fourth Quarter, 1992), pp. 127-128 (M). Page: 128

Hi Dee, Thank you for your help. The McCarthy In Early American History looks to be particularly interesting. My training is in the law, not in genealogy. So I struggle with genealogy. Unfortunately, NO ONE got good fee simple title to their land in New York State until 1841, when the New York State Legislature finally got around to abolishing the Roman/Dutch land conveyancing system. John McCarthy had a freehold for 1/2 of Farm # 2, Great Lott 16 from General Philip Schuyler. John McCarthy was occupying his farm prior to Schuyler's having granted a least to John Freeman on August 2, 1768. (McCarthy is mentioned in the metes and bounds of Freeman's freehold lease.) So like everyone else in the Saratoga Patent, John McCarthy was a tenant farmer. (The fact that New Englanders were unable to purchase land in the Province of New York, was one of the big reasons that New York was not settled earlier.) The fact that the Roman/Dutch law relied on a medieval land leasing system makes research in New York incredible difficult as compared with the surrounding colonies, which used the English common law system of land conveyancing. Thanks again, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <gen612701@verizon.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 Leslie, Here are two references to "Wilbur's Basin": 1. http://mccarthy.montana.com/Articles/EarlyAmericanHistoryNotes.html The McCarthys In Early American History by Michael J. O'Brien. Originally published by: Dodd, Mead and Company, New York, 1921. This book was scanned and converted to text, for the most part, by Kathy (Burden) Shaffer. Conversion to webpages was done by Bruce A. Johnson. p. 186-188 The John McCarthy family (with references to 2 other works). 2. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysarato/Sylvester/chap33.html HISTORY OF SARATOGA COUNTY, NEW YORK. by NATHANIEL BARTLETT SYLVESTER 1878 -------------------- HISTORY OF THE VILLAGES AND TOWNS OF SARATOGA COUNTY. STILLWATER (Part 1). Reference to John McCarty [sic] whose daughter married a Wilbur. McCarty apparently purchased land before the Rev War. Dee >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 > >Dear List, > >Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >Fitch states: > >On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men > Tories escorted to Lake George > from >"Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) > > Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >basin" and crossed the Hudson. > >Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >living >in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. > >What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > >Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >Abraham >Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >is >located in Great Lott 15. > >Thank you for your help, > >Leslie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ >>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >Academy Awards® >http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:42:32 -0500 >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002801c74221$640b61d0$0fa8c318@tiger> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to >the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A >thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the >area. >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc >on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division >> of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >>>the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:29:17 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002101c74227$e8b39730$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Mary, > >Thank you for the URL for the Park Service's report. I hope that you were >successful in finding information on the Fones family. > >Leslie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division >> of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >>>the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:41:33 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com>, <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002c01c74229$9f289dc0$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Chuck, > >Thank you for your help. > >Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that I would be reading about >military history, but I am. Last night I was reading "With Burgoyne from >Quebec", which is Volume I of "Travels Thought the Interior Party of North >America" by Thomas Anbury, who was one of the officers who served under >Burgoyne during the Saratoga campaign. > >Thomas Anbury wrote about the bridge of boats that the Royal Army had >constructed at the mouth of the Kroma Kill, the creek that drains the great >ravine in Great Lott 16 of the Saratoga Patent. So Asa Fitch was correct >when he reported that the British had crossed the Hudson River at "Wilbur's >basin", even though the area was not called Wilbur's basin until well into >the 19th century. The British did not pay a bit of attention to the Great >Lott lines in the Saratoga Patent or to the names of the tenant farmers. So >I suspect that the British just marched through Samuel Bacon's farm (Farm # >1, Great Lott 16) to get to the bridge of boats that they had moved down >stream during their attempt to reach Albany. > >Thanks again. > >Leslie > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:42 AM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to >the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A >thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the area >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc >on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division >> of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >>>the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the NYSARATO list administrator, send an email to >NYSARATO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the NYSARATO mailing list, send an email to >NYSARATO@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 >*************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie, Here are two references to "Wilbur's Basin": 1. http://mccarthy.montana.com/Articles/EarlyAmericanHistoryNotes.html The McCarthys In Early American History by Michael J. O'Brien. Originally published by: Dodd, Mead and Company, New York, 1921. This book was scanned and converted to text, for the most part, by Kathy (Burden) Shaffer. Conversion to webpages was done by Bruce A. Johnson. p. 186-188 The John McCarthy family (with references to 2 other works). 2. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysarato/Sylvester/chap33.html HISTORY OF SARATOGA COUNTY, NEW YORK. by NATHANIEL BARTLETT SYLVESTER 1878 -------------------- HISTORY OF THE VILLAGES AND TOWNS OF SARATOGA COUNTY. STILLWATER (Part 1). Reference to John McCarty [sic] whose daughter married a Wilbur. McCarty apparently purchased land before the Rev War. Dee >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 > >Dear List, > >Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >Fitch states: > >On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men > Tories escorted to Lake George from >"Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) > > Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >basin" and crossed the Hudson. > >Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even living >in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. > >What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > >Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of Abraham >Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott is >located in Great Lott 15. > >Thank you for your help, > >Leslie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ >>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >Academy Awards® >http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:42:32 -0500 >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002801c74221$640b61d0$0fa8c318@tiger> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the area. >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:29:17 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002101c74227$e8b39730$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Mary, > >Thank you for the URL for the Park Service's report. I hope that you were >successful in finding information on the Fones family. > >Leslie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:41:33 -0500 >From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >To: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com>, <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002c01c74229$9f289dc0$a638e647@D8SBN6B1> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Chuck, > >Thank you for your help. > >Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that I would be reading about >military history, but I am. Last night I was reading "With Burgoyne from >Quebec", which is Volume I of "Travels Thought the Interior Party of North >America" by Thomas Anbury, who was one of the officers who served under >Burgoyne during the Saratoga campaign. > >Thomas Anbury wrote about the bridge of boats that the Royal Army had >constructed at the mouth of the Kroma Kill, the creek that drains the great >ravine in Great Lott 16 of the Saratoga Patent. So Asa Fitch was correct >when he reported that the British had crossed the Hudson River at "Wilbur's >basin", even though the area was not called Wilbur's basin until well into >the 19th century. The British did not pay a bit of attention to the Great >Lott lines in the Saratoga Patent or to the names of the tenant farmers. So >I suspect that the British just marched through Samuel Bacon's farm (Farm # >1, Great Lott 16) to get to the bridge of boats that they had moved down >stream during their attempt to reach Albany. > >Thanks again. > >Leslie > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chuck Latham Sr" <cslatham@localnet.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:42 AM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >That was very interesting! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The Champlain Canal, connecting the city of Troy to Lake Champlain, was >completed in 1823. By 1825, the Erie Canal was completed and "canal mania" >swept the nation. The Champlain canal ran along present Route 4 and >connected the adjoining farm roads by bridges. Small enterprises flourished >with the advent of the canal. Lumber, coal, agricultural products, marble, >granite and sand were some of the main cargoes carried by canal boats to the >distant markets in New York City and beyond. The blacksmiths at Bemis >Heights and Wilbur's Basin were kept busy shoeing mules, used to pull the >boats along the canal. > >Wilbur's basin, named after the Wilbur family and located at the confluence >of the Kroma Kill and the Hudson River, was important as a turn-around for >canal boats and as a place to load and unload goods at its docks. A thriving >community of mills operated and flourished on the banks of this stream, >including a sawmill, gristmill, plaster mill, and salt mill (from the will >of Daniel Smith). The products from the mills were shipped down the stream >by flat-bottomed barges to the canal via the turning basin and then sent to >market. > >The Wilburs were one of the first families to establish a store in the area >Wilbur's Basin was a busy shopping destination as it had line barns, a >blacksmith shop, grocery, and at one time a post office. Mules were housed >overnight in line barns. The Great Storm of October 4, 1869 wrecked havoc on >these resources. "At Wilbur's Basin a 7-foot canal break occurred and the >mill dam gave way destroying Dr. Smith's gristmill, sawmill, and plaster >mill (Asa Fitch's journal)." Behind the dam was a large pond that was used >to supply ample power. In the winter skating was a popular pastime on the >pond. This pond was often referred to as a "lake of unrivalled beauty." > >An ancillary role of the canal was its use in the transportation of slaves >along the Underground Railroad. The local Quakers had a large role in >protecting and guiding these slaves to the north. > >The Wilburs and many other families in the vicinity of the park were >Quakers. The canal also presented many dangers, especially to the children >who were taught to shun the towpath, the rough drivers, and the mules who >had reputations as kickers. > >By 1915, the original Champlain Canal was abandoned and the new Champlain >Barge Canal opened. In 1976 the Champlain Canal was nominated to the >National Register of Historic Places. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Regards, >Chuck......"Our Seasoned Friends Have More Ingredients" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David & Mary Sederlin" <sede@msn.com> >To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? > > >> Leslie,,, >> >> Found some information on Wilbur's basin while looking for Fones >> Information, You might like to check this out.. >> >> http://www.nature.nps.gov/water/management_plans/sara_final_screen.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary aka mom >> >> >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: nysarato@rootsweb.com >> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NYSARATO] What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:18 -0500 >> >> Dear List, >> >> Last night I was reading the Asa Fitch Papers. In Volume 2 at page 82, >> Fitch states: >> >> On October 17, 1777 - Burgoyne surrendered, 5752 men >> Tories escorted to Lake George >> from >> "Schuylerville" (i.e., Saratoga in 1777) >> >> Royal Army marched to "Wilber's >> basin" and crossed the Hudson. >> >> Wilbur's Basin was named fro Fones Wilbur (1762-1831). In 1777, Fones >> Wilbur would have been 15 years of age and living with his parents in >> Dutchess County, NY. Fones Wilbur's parents, Jonathan Wilbur (1724-1804) >> and Sarah Fones Wilbur (1734-1818), did not move their family to the east >> side of the Saratoga Patent until 1786. So the Wilburs were not even >> living >> in the Saratoga Tax Distict during the Rev. War. >> >> What was "Wilbur's Basin" called in 1777? >> >> Wilbur's Basin is located in Great Lott 16 of the Second Grand Division of >> the Saratoga Patent. There may have been a ferry operated by one of >> Abraham >> Ten Broeck's sub-tenants in the Vly Lott during the 1770's. The Vly Lott >> is >> located in Great Lott 15. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Leslie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the >> Academy Awards? >> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the NYSARATO list administrator, send an email to >NYSARATO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the NYSARATO mailing list, send an email to NYSARATO@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 >***************************************