Hi Richard, Thank you for responding to my query. I am not sure that the Cornelius Van Dyck, the Rev War soldier, is the man who I am looking for. The Cornelius Van Dyck, whom I am seeking died c. 1752. Yesterday afternoon I found George W. Schuyler's book, "Colonial New York : Philip Schuyler and his family" New York: C. Scribner's Son, 1885, 1064 pgs., on line. George W. Schuyler wrote about the Peter Schuyler's real estate holdings. Beginning on page 95 of Volume 2, he deals with the Saratoga Patent. My mind was boggled by Schuyler's brief account of the redistribution of the land within the Saratoga Patent. Schuyler's account left me with more questions than answers. However, Schuyler's list of 1743-Saratoga Patent Propietors appears to be a reasonable place to start. Dirck Ten Broeck 2/14 Gilbert Livingston 2/14 Gerrit Van Horn 1/28 Margatet Livingston Vetch 1/28 Philip J. Schuyler 1/14 Executor of John Schuyler, Jr. 1/14 Margaret Livingston 3/14 Cornelius Van Dyck 2/14 Jan Jansen Bleecker 2/14 At the time of the partition known as the Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent, Killian De Ridder signed for the heirs of Cornelius Van Dyck. So now my question is, what were the names of the heirs of Cornelius Van Dyck, who Killian De Ridder represented. Thanks again, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hayes" <RAHayes@chartermi.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Cornelius Van Dyck, grandson of Cornelius Van Dyck,patentee o... > Hi Leslie Potter, > > Here is the location of some information about Col. Cornelius Van Dyck. > http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/resources/yates/gen-vandyke.html > He did not have any children. I have his genealogy back several > generations > if you need it. > > Richard > >> Cornelius VanDyke a NY Lieutenant Colonel in the Revolutionary War was > > granted 2700 acres on 9 July 1790 for military service. (No location > given) > >> Souce: Bockstruck, Lloyd DeWitt. REVOUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS > > AWARDED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS. Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc. > Baltimore > MD, >> 1996. Lib of Congress No 96-75099. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ruth, I too have followed your postings and have been captivated by his articulate descriptions of his surroundings and events. Our family had ancestors on both sides of this sad war. Thanks so much for sharing your transcriptions with us all. I have forwarded the entire collection to our 3 sons out of state. Have you posted your ggggrandmother's maiden name and some of her history? Many of us with connections through Saratoga County have Wheeler and other CT ancestors. I'd be interested in her background, but I'm not likely related to Luther or his immediate family. Thanks again so much, Pat Blackwell Skaneateles NY On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Ruth Barton wrote: > I want to thank all the folks who have sent me such positive > feedback on > these letters. This man certainly was NOT a close relative of > mine--his > mother and my ggggrandmother were sisters, as near as I can tell. > > I'm sorry I can not reply to everyone individually as there were > MANY who > wrote to me. Time just will not permit. Thanks again. Ruth > > PS: If anyone gets an inkling that they may know of any > descendants of > Luther's siblings I would LOVE to hear of them. > -- > Ruth Barton > mrgjb@sover.net > Dummerston, VT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leslie Potter, Here is the location of some information about Col. Cornelius Van Dyck. http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/resources/yates/gen-vandyke.html He did not have any children. I have his genealogy back several generations if you need it. Richard > Cornelius VanDyke a NY Lieutenant Colonel in the Revolutionary War was > granted 2700 acres on 9 July 1790 for military service. (No location given) > Souce: Bockstruck, Lloyd DeWitt. REVOUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS > AWARDED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS. Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc. Baltimore MD, > 1996. Lib of Congress No 96-75099.

Hi Ruth, If Luther Wheeler's mother and your GGGgrandmother were sisters, your relationship to Luther is-- First cousin, 4 times removed. Thank you again for your generous transcriptions, Diana Chapman Owen Ruth Barton wrote: >I want to thank all the folks who have sent me such positive feedback on >these letters. This man certainly was NOT a close relative of mine--his >mother and my ggggrandmother were sisters, as near as I can tell. > >I'm sorry I can not reply to everyone individually as there were MANY who >wrote to me. Time just will not permit. Thanks again. Ruth > >PS: If anyone gets an inkling that they may know of any descendants of >Luther's siblings I would LOVE to hear of them. > >

I want to thank all the folks who have sent me such positive feedback on these letters. This man certainly was NOT a close relative of mine--his mother and my ggggrandmother were sisters, as near as I can tell. I'm sorry I can not reply to everyone individually as there were MANY who wrote to me. Time just will not permit. Thanks again. Ruth PS: If anyone gets an inkling that they may know of any descendants of Luther's siblings I would LOVE to hear of them. -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

Mary, I fear that we have gotten off topic. So before the list administrator chides us, let me bring this discussion to a close. Suffice it to say that my forte is land and real estate tax records. I am happy to share that expertise with anyone who has a Rev War era ancestor living in the Saratoga Tax District. I welcome any help that anyone is willing to share genealogical data for the Saratoga Tax District residents, who lived in that time period. Sincerely, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BeachLdy53@aol.com> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Cornelius Van Dyck, grandson of Cornelius Van Dyck,patentee o... > Leslie, > > I have to tell you that you, as a criminal layer and a woman (shsh let's > not > let that out of the hat!) both have something in common. Both are very > detail oriented. That is why subconsciously I figured you were a female > because > you went into great detail about your allergies to the environment. Men > don't go there. LOL > > I love to research things but get frustrated as the Internet just doesn't > go > far enough for me. But, back to your detailed need for the cold hard > facts..........sometimes you just have to go with what families have > recorded about > their ancestors and hopefully be able to link them to the facts at hand. > > Have a good one! > > Mary > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know if this will help or confuse. Cornelius VanDyke a NY Lieutenant Colonel in the Revolutionary War was granted 2700 acres on 9 July 1790 for military service. (No location given) Souce: Bockstruck, Lloyd DeWitt. REVOUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS AWARDED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS. Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc. Baltimore MD, 1996. Lib of Congress No 96-75099. Incidentally, my son is the third generation hitting his head on the brick wall of Nathaniel Waring, married to Elizabeth Lockwood. Our only date of birth (1732) is figured from his age and death date on their tombstone in Greenridge Cemetery, Saratoga. We can't find his parents in US or Eng. Any tidbits appreciated. Lodema Jenkins ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Mary, I am not a genealogist. I am just a criminal defense lawyer. So I am never confident that I have the right person unless I have found him mentioned in a deed for a plot of land, which is in the right neighborhood, or named in a will with other people whom I have been able to tie to the land. Consequently, I am for ever asking stupid questions, hoping to gain the assistance of a descendant of the person whom I am seeking. Give me a tax list, or turn me loose in the Recorder of Deeds Office (or County Clerk's Office, if you prefer New York Legalese) and I am in hog heaven. Thanks again for your help. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BeachLdy53@aol.com> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Cornelius Van Dyck, grandson of Cornelius Van Dyck,patentee o... > Hi Leslie, > > As I was doing more searches in Google, and Rootsweb, it appears that in > some places there were two Cornelius Van Dyck's and then there is a > Henrick Van > Dyck and one wife was a Schuyler which I thought maybe that would be a > connection. I also saw that Co. Van Dyck gave some of his land to other > military > men but don't know where the land was. I think you will see that he was > given > land because of his military action. But then I wasn't really paying > attention to whether this occurred before or after the Revolutionary War. > > Mary > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leslie, As I was doing more searches in Google, and Rootsweb, it appears that in some places there were two Cornelius Van Dyck's and then there is a Henrick Van Dyck and one wife was a Schuyler which I thought maybe that would be a connection. I also saw that Co. Van Dyck gave some of his land to other military men but don't know where the land was. I think you will see that he was given land because of his military action. But then I wasn't really paying attention to whether this occurred before or after the Revolutionary War. Mary <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Mary, No I had not seen this one. Thank you for sending it. I have spent my afternoon hunting genealogical material in the Book Section of Heritage Quest On-line. I found a good genealogy book on the Schuyler family, but nothing on the Van Dyck clan. (Except that Cornelius Van Dyck, the original patentee, was a witness to Philip Pieterse Schuyler's will, along with Dirk Wessels Ten Broeck. (Nothing like getting three original Patentees in the same room at the same time.) I was talking with Linda Saunders, the Saratoga Town Historian, this afternoon and she does not even have a file on the Van Dyck family. Thanks again, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BeachLdy53@aol.com> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Cornelius Van Dyck, grandson of Cornelius Van Dyck,patentee o... > Leslie, > > I found this which I presume you had already read: _Lt.-Col. Cornelius > van > Dyck, First NY Line, 1776-1783_ > (http://www.intergate.com/~churchyardjn/colcvdyck.html) . It appears that > Lt. Col Van Dyck did not have any children and > was the son for Dr. Cornelius Van Dyck. Have you checked all of the > documents > in Schenectady, NY? Also could there be an error in referencing > regarding > the Patenee? > > Good luck, > Mary > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie, I found this which I presume you had already read: _Lt.-Col. Cornelius van Dyck, First NY Line, 1776-1783_ (http://www.intergate.com/~churchyardjn/colcvdyck.html) . It appears that Lt. Col Van Dyck did not have any children and was the son for Dr. Cornelius Van Dyck. Have you checked all of the documents in Schenectady, NY? Also could there be an error in referencing regarding the Patenee? Good luck, Mary <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Ruth, Thanks so much for sharing these letters with all of us on the list. You have given us a little insight of what it must have been like for the men who fought in that war, a real insight into the horrors of their daily lives. I really hope that you do publish them for everyone's benefit. These letters truly are National Treasures.I'm also wondering if you have heard from anyone related to this man. Thanks again. Marge E. Ruth Barton <mrgjb@sover.net> wrote: Letter #64

Have read with much interest, and now sadness, these remarkable letters. For some unknown reason, I've been attracted to movies about the Civil War lately -- have watched about four in the last month or so. In one, I recall a young man telling one of his companions how he knew he was not going to live thru the next battle --- very much like Mr. Wheeler. (And he didn't.) The loss from this war was/is beyond words -- these letters are a treasure!!! Stay well -- Terri in Wa

Belive they all should be found in the archives of NYSARATO list at Rootsweb. ----- Original Message ----- From: SONAVAN@aol.com Date: Sunday, March 4, 2007 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Letter #60 > Is there a site where I can read the first 57 letters? My son is > a Civil > War buff and I am forwarding them on to him but if there is a site > where he can > go, it would be easier... > > Thanks > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now > offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, One of the original patentees of the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, NY was Cornelius Van Dyck. Later Saratoga Patent documents state that Cornelius Van Dyck, the heir-at-law and grandson of Cornelius Van Dyck, inherited the interests of the original patentee. Unlike the other six original patentees, who have descendants living in the Saratoga Patent during the Rev War, there are no men with the surname of Van Dyck on the 1779 Saratoga District Tax List. Can anyone enlighten me concerning Cornelius Van Dyck, the grandson of the original Saratoga Patentee, and his descendants? Thank you for your help. Leslie

And so ends the sad saga of Luther M. WHEELER, Saratoga Springs, NY. Ruth -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

Letter #64 This is the last letter. It was not written by Capt. Wheeler, but is an account of how he appeared to be just before his death. Information I have indicates he was shot while on duty 3 May 1863 at Fredericksburg, VA. (R. H. Barton--13 March 2004) Envelope Addressed: Mr. F. D. Wheeler Saratoga Springs N. Y. (Written in a different hand on envelope: May 1863 Gilbert Thomas letter) Presentiments of Capt L. M. Wheeler A short time before the battle of Fredericksburg he appeared unusual and remarked says his 2d Lieut. Pg3 Presentiments of Capt L. M. Wheeler A short time before the battle in which he fell he remarked (says--crossed out) writes Lieut Thomas "if we cross the river I shall be wounded or killed." He expressed to Capt Horton that he should be killed in the battle of Fredericksburg. Lieut Van Denmark says he was depressed before the battle and said to him, "I know I shall be killed in the next battle." And when Van Denmark went to the hospital (after a weeks sickness in camp in the care of Capt W.) he said Capt. you better go with me for you have not been well for a week & the Dr says you are unfit for duty. "No," he answered, "I can go and (written in margin) Lieut Thomas says he never saw him appear so before Pg2 I do not want my men to go where I do not myself." "Good bye, Van," said he, "you'll never see me again, I am glad you ae going to the hospital for I think you would be shot too if you went into the fight." When he was home in Feb. on a visit it was mentioned to him that he needed more clothes and it was a good to procure them, "I have all the clothes I shall need," said he. These words were accompanied with a look full of meaning- -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

Letter #63 Envelope addressed: Mrs. F. D. Wheeler Saratoga Springs New York Before Fredericksburg Va May 2d at 4 P.M. Dear Mother I rec'd your letter last night just as we were drawn up in line of battle, expecting an attack from the enemy. I sat down on the ground and read it, also one from Alice rc'd at the same time. We have been very fortunate, our corps and the first was left opposite Fredericksburg to keep the enemy from coming over. Four pontoon bridges were laid two at the same place we crossed before and two, two miles lower down, an Div. was put across at each place to make the enemy think we were going to attack them here, while the bulk of the army under Hooker in person, crossed, above their left and have been fighting for the last four days, driving them towards us. I can now see the balloon which is with him, going up right in the rear of the city. we have seen the rebel troops passing Pg2 from their (left--crossed out) right to their left, towards Hooker for two days. Our Div. has not crossed the river at all, nor have we been under fire for a minute, and I think we shall not see any fighting this time, but most of the army is catching it. The 30th has been over but has not lost a man, they are near us and are now on this side. We are now on picket three miles below the city on the river bank, the rebels are just across but do not fire. I think Hooker has them now- I hear we have Hanover Court House, thus cutting them off from their supplies, they must now come out of their holes and fight us on our own ground or starve and surrender. The army is in excellent spirits and confident of success. The weather is splendid and ground dry. I rained the firs two dys we were out but we did not suffer as it was warm. The postage stamps were all right. I sent this morning by express $380.~, ten for Frank, which Mr Pierce paid me, five for my bill, ten for my order from Charley (Henderson?) and five for things which I shall send for from time to time, as postage stamps &c. There will then be left $350.~, lend over top of Pg1 Frank $200. as I told you and father can keep the other $150.~ if should want to use it. I have not seen John Riley since he came the first time. I found my bill so much at the sutlers that I could not send $400. as I told you. I am well, and have not been enough sick to mention it, only had a little cold. -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

Letter #62 Envelope addressed: Mrs F. D. Wheeler Ju Saratoga Springs New York Camp near White Oak Church Va April 21st 63 Dear sister I have neglected to answer your letter, which was received some days since, for the reason that we half expected to move "tomorrow," every day for a week, and have had every thing packed up so that it was not convenient to write. The plan seem to be changed now and we hear nothing more about moving. I certainly shall take (a--underlined) meal or (two--underlined) at your house, when I come home and (perhaps--underlined) Alice will be with me. I often think how happy I shall be when this war is over and I come home. I think I can appreciate the comforts of home then, I shall be at your house half the time. It makes all the Pg2 difference in the world, what example one has at home. Nellie Hoyt would not have been the same person if she had a different mother. Yes, Alice is called pretty, but I have seen more handsome girls, but beauty is not the one thing needful; although it has much to do with love affairs. I fancied her at first for her good looks, and loved her afterwards for her good qualities. She was eighteen years old last fall, just four years younger than myself. She has a splendid form, and is a perfect lady, & know how to treat a person. I hope whoever I marry may love me, as I always thought you loved Frank, I would ask no more. War, conscription, or any other terrible thing, should never part us. Frank has no doubt rec'd my letter before this in answer to his. Our Paymaster has not made his appearance yet, we are all anxious to see him for "green backs" are getting very scarce in camp. I think Frank could do very well to study with Dr. whiting, as he is a Pg3 popular man, but I would not advise him to give up his school until he is certain he could succeed as a Dr. We have spring weather here, the grass is green, and cherry and peach trees blown out. It rained again last night making the roads quite bad again. Captain Horton is well, he is very steady, never drinks any thing strong, not so with his 1st Lieut, Smith. The two years men of our army, whose time is out soon, are very much dissatisfied to move towards the enemy, most o fthem swear they will do no fighting. I have no more to write this time, you must excuse this short letter, and write soon telling me all the gossip about the young people Your brother Luther -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT

Letter #61 Envelope addressed: Mrs. F. D. Wheeler Saratoga Springs N. Y. Camp near Bell Plain Va April 1 1863 Dear Mother I rec'd your letter this evening. Was glad to hear from home. We are all well, and having easy times. The weather was quite pleasant to day but yesterday it snowed and rained all day. One day will be like summer and the next like winter. The roads are very good now, but there seems no prospect of a move soon, many believe we shall lay here some time yet, to wait for operations some where else. I think we gain by waiting for the rebels are growing weaker every day. I think if we should lay still six months they would give up from starvation. Lieut Winne has been promoted, he is now Capt of Co. F. and my orderly Thomas, who was with me home is now my 2d Lieut. Frank Thomas, who was home last Pg2 summer is now 1st Lieut in Co. H. There has been ten commissions in my Co since we came out, that is doing pretty well for one company. There is a dance in one of the streets to night, they hve two fiddles going and are having a gay time. The boys are very happy and contented now. We drill most every day now, Company drill in the fornoon, and Battalion drill in the afternoon. The Paymaster has not come around yet, we expect him soon. I wish father would look around for a house and let me know when he finds a cheap place. Have Mr Hale give the price of his place. Write in your next about the house on Matilda street. Covell's folks need not doubt but that Seth Duel has deserted, for if not where is he, he is not with the Regt and has no leave to go away, and that is desertion. Michael McDade, who deserted at the same time died yesterday in the hospital. I have often thought of Tom Taylor, and whether he was in the rebel army. I used to be quite intimate Pg3 with him and liked him much. I am sorry he is a cripple. From what Virgil used to tell me, I guess Dr Whiting will have no trouble in (prescribing--underlined) for the people across the road. I hope Mr Hale will take good care of the soldiers wives. I suppose they are (needy--underlined). he was always a very (benevolent--underlined) man. I want Wendell to write me a full account of every party he goes to and tell him not to fall in love with any Irish girl, he should look higher. I would advise you to let him go with the girls as much as he choses. I think it is a good thing for a boy to court young, for it will keep him out of mischief. It always kept me out of bad company, my having a girl, for I was afraid of losing her good opinion if I was caught in bad company, so I came up amid the quicksands of Saratoga with a good name. and I lay it all to my being in love. You used to talk a good deal to me about going to see Nellie Hoyt, and try to stop me, if you had succeeded I have no doubt I should have been ruined for there is many temptations for a Pg4 young fellow in Saratoga and if I had not passed my evenings with her I might have been in a worst place. Tell Abbie that Alice's sister's name is Ida. Abbie must write again, she write very good letters but rather short. You must excuse this letter, for I have wrote it by candle light which is not very steady for the wind blows in between the cracks in my tent. I have lots of writing to do now, to make out my Quarterly and Monthly Returns to Washington, but I shall soon be over it. Ell Bradley has been here two days, visiting Dan Smith. Give my love to all and all write soon. Your Son Luther -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT