ANNOUNCING NEW DATABASE VOL. III - MARRIAGE INDEX RENSSELAER COUNTY, NEW YORK MAY 1918 - APRIL 1920 In addition to the Troy Irish Genealogy Society mailing list, this message is also being sent to the following genealogy mailing lists: MAILING LIST COVERS Rensselaer County List - Research in Rensselaer County. Albany County List - Research in Albany County. Schenectady County List - Research in Schenectady County. Saratoga County List - Research in Saratoga County. Genealogy NYS List - Research in New York State. Chenango County List - Research in Chenango County. NY-Hudson River List - Research in counties bordering Hudson River; (Rockland, Orange, Ulster, Greene, Albany, Rensselaer, Columbia, Dutchess, Putnam Westchester) & Schenectady County. NY-RollCall List - Research on New York State kin. NY-Mohawk Valley List - Research in Mohawk Valley Region of NYS, covers Albany, Fulton, Herkimer, Madison, Montgomery, Oneida, Otsego, Schenectady & Schoharie Counties. NY-WarWashSar List - Research in Warren, Washington and Saratoga Counties. NYC-Roots List - Research in New York City. New York List - Research in New York State where County is unknown. Irish-NY-Troy List - Research of Irish Ancestry in City of Troy, Rensselaer County, New York. NY-Irish List - Research on Irish immigrants who landed, lived in or passed through New York State. NY-Southern List - Research in Southern counties of New York, covers Broome, Bronx, Columbia, Delaware, Dutchess, Greene, Kings, Nassau, New York, Orange, Queens, Putnam, Richmond, Rockland, Suffolk, Sullivan, Tioga, Ulster & Westchester Columbia County List - Research in Columbia County. Westchester County List - Research in Westchester County. Dutchess County List - Research in Dutchess County. Schoharie County List - Research in Schoharie County. Ulster County List - Research in Ulster County. A. The message can be forwarded to other lists where you feel it would be appropriate. If posted to any other lists, please copy: seamus@nycap.rr.com B. The largest project the Troy Irish Genealogy Society has undertaken so far is the automation of the Rensselaer County Marriage Index. This 10 Volume Marriage Index of Rensselaer County marriages, from 1908 to 1935, has over 60,000 names. Volume I (January 1908-April 1913) with its 5,000 marriages and 10,000 names, was added to the TIGS website on June 13, 2006. Volume II, (April 1913-May 1918) with another 5,000 marriages and 10,000 names was added to the TIGS website on January 12, 2007. Volume III, (May 1918-April 1920) with another 2,000 marriages and 4,000 names has now been added to the TIGS website. C. You can view these marriage records by going to the Troy Irish Genealogy website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ and click on TIGS PROJECTS. It should be noted that these records, like most of the TIGS data series, cover the general population in the area and are NOT restricted to Irish surnames. D. If you are researching relatives with a RENSSELAER COUNTY, NY area connection, you will be interested in these three on-line, name searchable, records of 24,000 names of local residents who were married in Rensselaer County, New York. If you live in a nearby county or even further away, you might want to check out the data base. Take a look at the data base, you never know what you will find. You may even find an earlier marriage for your relative that you never knew about. E. In order to appreciate the marriage index on the TIGS website, you need an understanding of the set up of the Marriage Index book at the County Clerk's Office. All marriages, along with complete detailed information on the bride and groom and their parents, were first entered into the Record of Marriages Book. Brides and Grooms names were then posted to the Marriage INDEX Book which served as a locating device to find the complete record in the Record of Marriages Book itself. Without the Marriage Index, you could not easily locate a name in the Record of Marriages Book. The Marriage Index Book has SEPARATE pages of data for Brides and SEPARATE pages of data for Grooms. For example, for the letter "A", there is a page of Brides names beginning with "A" and ANOTHER page of Grooms names beginning with the letter "A". The data on each page is limited to the first and last name, a page reference number, a marriage license number and the date of the marriage. Names of SPOUSES are NOT linked together in the index. The only linkage to the spouse in the Marriage Index is the marriage number. F. The TIGS data base has greatly improved the usefulness of the Marriage Index as follows: 1. By using the marriage number, the TIGS Marriage Index now links the names of the brides AND the grooms on ONE LINE of data, thus providing a much more useful research tool. 2. Some entries in the Record of Marriages Book were never posted to the Marriage Index Book. These missing records were identified by TIGS workers and added to the TIGS Marriage Index. 3. A number of records in the Marriage Index showed only INITIALS for either the bride or the groom. In many cases TIGS workers were able to determine the ACTUAL names from the original source documents and added them to the TIGS data base. 4. Several records for grooms names were originally posted to the brides pages of the Marriage Index Book and a number of brides names were posted to the grooms pages of the Marriage Index Book. TIGS workers corrected these errors in developing the TIGS index. 5. A number of transcribing errors when the Marriage Index Book was created were discovered by TIGS workers and corrected. 6. Last but not least, the TIGS Marriage Index is in strict alphabetical order unlike the original index. For example, on the original index, you may have four or more lengthy pages of Grooms names ALL beginning with the first two letters "Ma" and in no order whatsoever. G. In using the TIGS Marriage Index data base, keep in mind the following: 1. Handwriting in some cases was very difficult to read and there could be some problems with spelling. 2. It appears that all of the postings to the Vol. III Marriage Index Book show a office filing date instead of the date of the marriage. The entry in the Marriage Book itself, however, will show the date of the marriage. 3. Remember, the TIGS index is a transcription of the Marriage Index Book and NOT the Record of Marriages Book itself. It is always possible that the original source documents, the Affidavit For License To Marry, the Certificate And Record of Marriage and the Certificate of Consent, (for minors), were not posted correctly to the Record of Marriages Book, or that entries in the Record of Marriages Book were not posted correctly to the Marriage Index Book, or that TIGS transcribers misread the handwriting. If there is a question on any entry, the actual source documents at the County Clerk's Office would have to be referenced. H. In working on Volume 3 of the Marriage Index it was discovered that none of the original records could be located. Extensive searching has yet to locate these records. Photocopies of the original Volume 3 marriage documents, therefore, are not available. For marriage numbers from 10000 to 12000 in Volume 3, the only item available will be a photocopy of the full detailed record that was posted to the Marriage Record Book FROM the original documents. The County Clerk's Office has agreed to provide a photocopy of the Marriage Record Book entry for those names where the original documents are not available. This photocopy WILL show the correct date of marriage. In order to copy the record, this very heavy and large book (13 x 19) has to be moved from the basement vault and taken to a photocopier on the first floor I. The TIGS website has a PRINTABLE FORM that can be used to request copies from the Rensselaer County Clerk's Office. Mailing instructions and fees (only $5.00) are on the request form. There are SEPARATE request forms for Volume 1, Volume 2 and Volume 3. J. The original pages of the Marriage Index Book were scanned by TIGS members. The resulting pdf files were then sent to the volunteers working on the project as an attachment to an email, along with an Excel spreadsheet for data entry. This extensive data base was made possible by over 30 volunteers from all over the United States. Volunteer names are shown on the TIGS website. K. The next step in the Marriage Index Project will be Volume 4 & 5 which are in one combined index. These 2 volumnes cover another 4,000 records and 8,000 names. If you want to be added to the list of volunteer transcribers, send an email off list to: seamus@nycap.rr.com with your name, address and telephone number. You will be contacted when work on Volume 4 & 5 starts shortly. L. TIGS would like to hear from you if this marriage index was helpful in your family research. Regards, Bill McGrath TIGS Project Coordinator Clifton Park, NY

> Name: Alexander McMurray The reference in The Saratoga, volume 9, page 128 states: date: 10.13.1868 name/country: McMurray, Alexander; Gr Brit & Ireland witnesses: Edward Clarke

Name: Alexander McMurray Year: 1868 Place: New York, NY Source Publication Code: 6041.52 Primary Immigrant: McMurray, Alexander Annotation: Date and place of naturalization. County of origin and names of witnesses are also provided. Source Bibliography: NATURALIZATIONS IN SARATOGA COUNTY BEFORE 1880. In The Saratoga (Valley Quarterlies, Rhinebeck, NY). vol. 8:4 (Fourth Quarter, 1991), pp. 135-137 (K-L); vol. 9:1 (First Quarter, 1992), pp. 3-6 (L-M); vol. 9:2 (Second Quarter, 1992), pp. 67-68 (M); vol. 9:3 (Third Quarter, 1992), pp. 91-94 (M); vol. 9:4 (Fourth Quarter, 1992), pp. 127-128 (M). Page: 128 If anyone has access to these publications could you please check this reference and see if there is any useful info about this Alexander McMurray which may be my gg-grandfather. I'm trying to find things like a place of marriage, ship he came on, anything at all. I know his date of birth was 31 Aug 1826, Wigtonshire, Scotland, and he married a Janet McGowan in 1864. They lived in Providence in the 1870 U.S. Census. Thanks, Robert MacMurray Florida

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There was also a hospital at Rochester, NY........not sure if it is still open. But, maybe worth checking out. Joanna, El Paso, TX

Hello to the list. I received the following information today and transcribed it for the list. Hope it helps someone. NEWS OF BALLSTON SPA (Special to The Saratogian) Sept 6, 1912 Ballston Spa, Sept 6 Mrs. Elwood C Smith and daughters Emily and Dorothy West, returned this morning to their home at Newburgh after visiting Miss Sherman of Bath street. Harold and Colin Finley have returned from a visit in New York city. Mrs E.K. Horton who was operated upon at the Samaritan hospital, Troy, is reported as progressing very favorably. Omar Goodridge of North Adams, Mass., is visiting his sister, Mrs. D. N. Hammond of Beach street. William Guiltinan of Plattsburgh was a visitor in town today. Attorney B.D. Esmond had business at Saratoga Springs. Mr. and Mrs. B.J. Hill of New York are moving into the McDonough flat on Church avenue. About thirty of the members of the Hall's Corners Sunday school and friends enjoyed a picnic at Fancher J. Riley's grove, Saratoga Lake, yesterday. Mrs. Lydia Rogers, widow of the late John Brown, formerly of Saratoga avenue, died Tuesday, September 3, at her home in Schenectady, aged sixty-eight years. Funeral services were held this afternoon. Poultry fanciers from this viallage and vicinity, are preparing for the State fair. William H. Manning, vice president of the county fair, has made a large shipment of several varieties. D.V.G. Curtis sends his choice lot of Columbian Wyandottes and Fred Armer his prize winning Huff ? Rocks. Mr. Manning and Mr. Curtis had a car load between them and shipped by freight while Mr. Armer will send his by express. Mrs. Thomas Brown and daughter, Miss Mabel, Brown, left this morning for St. Catherines, Canada, after a pleasant visit with their daughter and sister, Mrs. Irwin Esmond of Chapman street. Mrs. Clarence W. Betts was a visitor at Troy today. Sharon Morrissey Henke Lake Geneva, WI

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The Clifton Park-Halfmoon Public Library now owns microfilm of all the Saratoga County state censuses. They are presently unindexed. Virginia Bolen Local history/Adult services librarian -----Original Message----- From: nysarato-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nysarato-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:40 PM To: nysarato@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Saratoga Springs directories hi, where can one get a copy of the 1905 census for saratoga co ? bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Saratoga Springs directories > > >> You may want to try the NY State Census for 1905 for Saratoga County. > > Thanks for the suggestion, Diane. I thought I would try the Directories > first to see if was listed. I suppose the 1905 NYS census is not indexed? > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 > 2:15 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much Mary, It works GREAT!! Jakki ----- Original Message ----- From: <BeachLdy53@aol.com> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Calculator > I did a google.com and found this site for you: _Birthdate Calculator_ > (http://www.angelfire.com/va/ValsGenealogyPage/Calculator.html) > > Good Luck! > Mary > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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I am going up to Salt Lake City for three weeks in the Fall to do research at the Family History Library, I will add this to my 'to do' list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I don't know if it is indexed for Saratoga County. But I know there is a street index for Manhattan and part of the Bronx. You could check with librarian at the Saratoga Public Library. They should now and if not , they should know how many microfilms there are for Saratoga and any other town you are interested in. Diane -----Original Message----- From: nysarato-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nysarato-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Connors Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:26 PM To: nysarato@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Saratoga Springs directories > > You may want to try the NY State Census for 1905 for Saratoga County. Thanks for the suggestion, Diane. I thought I would try the Directories first to see if was listed. I suppose the 1905 NYS census is not indexed? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have the site for the calculator that if you know the death date and it says the person was 84 yrs, 3 mo and 3 days old when he died, it will give the birth date? I had it but I have lost it!!! Darn!! Jakki

hi, where can one get a copy of the 1905 census for saratoga co ? bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Saratoga Springs directories > > >> You may want to try the NY State Census for 1905 for Saratoga County. > > Thanks for the suggestion, Diane. I thought I would try the Directories > first to see if was listed. I suppose the 1905 NYS census is not indexed? > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 > 2:15 PM > >

> > You may want to try the NY State Census for 1905 for Saratoga County. Thanks for the suggestion, Diane. I thought I would try the Directories first to see if was listed. I suppose the 1905 NYS census is not indexed? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

How far back are the death recorded? I have a 2nd g-grandfather, William H. Miller, that died after 1870 as I found him in the 1870 census of Greenfield, Saratoga County, NY. One of his sons, Monford Harry Miller is buried in Middle Grove Cemetery, Saratoga County, NY and his other son, William W. Miller (My direct ancestor) is buried in Mt. Pleasant Cemetery (New Salem on death certficate), in New Salem, Albany County, NY. Thanks - Pauli from Arkansas

hi deanna, thanks for the info, stay dry bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deanna Lewis" <dlewisg4@sbcglobal.net> To: <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: [NYSARATO] Hospitals > Hi All; > There's also a Hospital in Middletown, New York. I had a relative die > there in 1891 When I contacted the Hospital, they told me the records were > too old to mess around with. All I got was his death certificate from > Albany. Which doesn't say much. But, I deduce he had a stroke and couldn't > take care of himself. > A long time ago when a woman went through the change, and was having a > ruff time of it the husbands would send them off to a state hospital. I > guess you'd say out of sight out of mind? Thank God that isn't done > anymore! > Deanna from wet but not drowning yet Houston, Texas. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/876 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 10:56 AM > >

hi, seymour gordon bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Saratoga Springs directories >I have Whalen that actually lived in CT but in the directories for year > 1905, it says, removed to Saratoga Springs. He was back in CT in 1910 > census. I am trying to find where he stayed and if there were relatives > there. His uncle went to Troy in the 1880s for a couple of years so I > am thinking there are relatives in the area. Thanks for the info. I > will keep it, never know where connections are. > >> I had Whalen family in that area . but couldn't find anything on them >> . >> Kate Whalen married a Hugh Kelly in >> Saratoga County in about 1908 . Kate's parents were Jennie Dennison of >> Washington Co NY and Michael Whalen of NH > > Woody, are you looking for Seymour Gordon Whalen? or Seymour Gordon? > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/876 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 10:56 AM > >

thank you, alice bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <azetter@verizon.net> To: <nysarato@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] NYSARATO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 103 > >Subject: [NYSARATO] johanna gordon >>hi, can anyone help me my grandmother died in a insane asylum in 1907, she >>was from victory mills ny and married to seymour gordon. had 4 chlidren >>mary, bill, helen and mildred. what asylum? thank you bill > > Before the Saratoga County Infirmary moved to Ballston Spa, it > was in the Town of Providence and called Homestead Infirmary, or > Homestead Sanatorium. I don't know the years of operation at that > location, or the status of any records. > Many local people were sent to the "insane asylum" at Utica - > the Utica State Hospital, which seems to have been in operation > for quite a long time, but I don't know the status of records > for that place either. > The best bet for the 1907 death is the death certificate, from > the New York State Department of Health in Albany - you know the > year, and if you order from Albany, you don't need the exact > location. > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/876 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 10:56 AM > >

Dear Pat, You may want to try the NY State Census for 1905 for Saratoga County. Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ -----Original Message----- From: nysarato-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nysarato-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Connors Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:23 PM To: nysarato@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYSARATO] Saratoga Springs directories I have Whalen that actually lived in CT but in the directories for year 1905, it says, removed to Saratoga Springs. He was back in CT in 1910 census. I am trying to find where he stayed and if there were relatives there. His uncle went to Troy in the 1880s for a couple of years so I am thinking there are relatives in the area. Thanks for the info. I will keep it, never know where connections are. > I had Whalen family in that area . but couldn't find anything on them . > Kate Whalen married a Hugh Kelly in > Saratoga County in about 1908 . Kate's parents were Jennie Dennison of > Washington Co NY and Michael Whalen of NH Woody, are you looking for Seymour Gordon Whalen? or Seymour Gordon? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSARATO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message