BIG DETOUR IN ALBANY, NY NEAR EMPIRE PLAZA If you think the problem of driving in Albany near the Empire Plaza couldn't get worse, IT WILL effective 01 Apr 2000. Please post to genealogy lists to help people avoid the problems in trying to get to the NYS Library, Archives, Museum, Albany Co. Hall of Records and any other place in downtown Albany. This involves the EXIT RAMP COMING OUT OF THE UNDERGROUND PARKING AREA of EMPIRE PLAZA to RT I-787 NORTH AND SOUTH. To accommodate the additional traffic anticipated (from soon-to-open new parking ramps) to access I-787, certain portions of the current ramps must be widened. The DOT is constructing a project that is running concurrently with the Offices of General Services' garage construction so that work on the ramp widening project will conclude on or about 01 AUG 2000. It will be necessary to CLOSE the ramp from the garage exit that leads to I-787 NORTH and SOUTHBOUND. The ramp will be closed for a maximum of 90 days. During this time, all the remaining work that affects traffic will be completed. It is expected that work will begin on 01 Apr 2000 and will be completed prior to 04 Jul weekend. To ensure safe lane changes to and from the underground garages, new overhead signs will be placed. Motorist traveling through the Mall or exiting the Empire State Plaza north and south (underground) parking facilities will encounter a divided roadway after leaving the Plaza tunnels. As you exit, YOU WILL NOT be able to take the usual ramp which takes you directly to I-787 north and south. Signs will take you on a 2 (two) mile route which will take you out over I-787 (below you) and ACROSS THE HUDSON RIVER. On the other side of the river, you will do a right loop, turn right, go a short distance straight ahead, take a right and COME BACK ACROSS THE HUDSON RIVER. As you return to the Albany side of the Hudson River, THEN you may TAKE RT I-787 North or South. This is an expected 4 (four) minute additional time DURING NON-PEAK HOURS. TO AVOID THIS DETOUR. It is suggested if leaving the NYS Library, Archives, Museum, Albany Co. Hall of Records - Take Madison Ave (the street that runs in front of the Museum) downhill and when you are at the bottom, take the road to the right that directs you to I-787. (You will be driving under the raised roads of I-787). To go NORTH on I-787 - From the bottom of Madison Ave, it curves to the right and then to the left (stay in the left lane). At the light *, you will turn left and stay to the left going up the ramp to join the Northbound I-787 traffic. * At this light, you will be looking at the Hudson River (USS SLater and Dutch Apple Boat are right there). If you are familiar with downtown Albany, you may enter I-787 from the ramp entrance near Fleet Bank. This ramp will be open as usual. A great idea to avoid the traffic and parking problems at any time (year round) near the Museum and Capital area is to check out the locations, especially from Malls, that you could take a CDTA bus in to Madison Ave. There are commuter bus services from all surrounding counties also. These opportunities should be considered in booking motel accommodations in the areas outside of downtown Albany which are often considerably lower in price. For further information call: Wendy Gibson - Information officer of the Office of General Services 518-474-5987 or Tim Conway, Department of Transportation at 518-474-6285. Tune into AM 830 on our radio for project information. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Will this meeting be on line at the same time. Justin [email protected] wrote: > > > Heritage Hunters continues with their free Beginning Genealogy > classes and other activities. Open to the public free. The following > will be at the Saratoga Spring Public Library, Community Room. > > Saturday 18 Mar 2000 > > 9am - Registration > 9:30 -10:00am Get the most out of any/every library > 10:00 - 10:15am - Break (note early break) > 10:15 -11:00am - Tour of Sartoga Library 2nd Floor - Using > Reference and Nonfiction for genealogy > 11:30am-12pm Tour of Saratoga Room - 2nd Floor - Ellen DeLalla > 12:00-1:00pm Lunch break > 12:00-1:00pm Genealogical Projects Committee - Lynn Calvin > 1:00pm Speaker Peg Mauer - How to write indexes for genealogy- > related books, family histories, diaries, etc. You will learn a lot and > be able to apply this to your records. > Followed by Heritage Hunters meeting and Sharing information > Followed by Computer Interest Committee - David Fiske > > Saturday 15 April 2000 > 9am - Registration > 9:30 - 10:30am Genealogist John Austin - Court records for > Genealogical Research > 10:45-11:45am Genealogist John Austin - Newspapers in > Genealogical Research > 11:45am-12:30pm Lunch break > 11:45am-12:30pm Genealogical Projects Committee - Lynn Calvin > 12:30-1:30pm Elusive Information You Often Miss > 1:30pm Heritage Hunters meeting and Sharing information > > Saturday 20 May 2000 > We are rescheduling the Feb programs that were snowed out. > 9am - Registration > 9:30-10:30am Sources for Vital Records > 10:45-11:45am Beyond Vital Records > 11:45am-12:30pm Lunch Break > 11:45am-12:30pm Genealogical Projects Committee - Lynn Calvin > 12:30-1:30pm Genealogy and the Internet - David Fiske > 1:30pm Heritage Hunters meeting and Sharing Information > 2:30pm Arlene Eakle Video - Part II - Advanced Research > > Saturday 17 June 2000 > Noon to 4pm, Speaker at 1pm followed by general meeting. > Our speaker, Rodney C Myers, has been a Family Researcher for > over forty years. He is the past president of the Capital District > Genealogical Society in Albany NY. A member of numerous > Genealogical Societies. He has given lectures in NYS & MA. > His topic will be "What happens if the frog dies?" A migration story > of mid nineteenth century Germans to America. A Genealogical > Voyage of discovery. The lecture will give details to the many > aspects of German life, which created a need to migrate. It will > also cover the preparations for the voyage and the experiences on > ship. And the lecture will also explore the conditions found in > America. The program will highlight along the way, the many > genealogical tools. > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Surname Exchange Index to Change Beginning in 2000, the Surname Exchange Index compiled by Heritage Hunters of Saratoga County will list >>>>>>ONLY Saratoga area surnames.<<<<<<<<< The previous index included any surnames from anywhere and not limited to the Saratoga County area. With the availablity of making connections to everyone on the Internet, we felt that we could best serve everyone by helping to connect people seeking their Saratoga County area ancestors. We are starting over new and everyone who wishes to have their surnames included needs to respond to be included. Send your name, address, phone, and email address with your area surnames listed alphabetically to Sue Hummel >[email protected]< with a copy (Cc:) to >[email protected]< Please put Saratoga Ancestor in the Subject window OR mail to Heritage Hunters, PO Box 1389, Saratoga Springs, NY 12866-0884. You may also send copies of your pedigree charts and family group sheets to the mailing address only. DEADLINE - 30 Apr 2000 Because many of these people were back and forth across the county lines, we are including those who are in surrounding counties and who also had ties to Saratoga. If you have a surname or query on the Saratoga GenWebPage, please indicate and save us notifying you again. We will be contacting all Surnames and Queries on that page those who have previously had their surnames in the printed Saratoga Surname Exchange Index that has been compiled by Heritage Hunters for the past 6 years. This will be done each year to keep our list correct and updated. Any questions contact me. God Bless Ruth Ann [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Heritage Hunters continues with their free Beginning Genealogy classes and other activities. Open to the public free. The following will be at the Saratoga Spring Public Library, Community Room. Saturday 18 Mar 2000 9am - Registration 9:30 -10:00am Get the most out of any/every library 10:00 - 10:15am - Break (note early break) 10:15 -11:00am - Tour of Sartoga Library 2nd Floor - Using Reference and Nonfiction for genealogy 11:30am-12pm Tour of Saratoga Room - 2nd Floor - Ellen DeLalla 12:00-1:00pm Lunch break 12:00-1:00pm Genealogical Projects Committee - Lynn Calvin 1:00pm Speaker Peg Mauer - How to write indexes for genealogy- related books, family histories, diaries, etc. You will learn a lot and be able to apply this to your records. Followed by Heritage Hunters meeting and Sharing information Followed by Computer Interest Committee - David Fiske Saturday 15 April 2000 9am - Registration 9:30 - 10:30am Genealogist John Austin - Court records for Genealogical Research 10:45-11:45am Genealogist John Austin - Newspapers in Genealogical Research 11:45am-12:30pm Lunch break 11:45am-12:30pm Genealogical Projects Committee - Lynn Calvin 12:30-1:30pm Elusive Information You Often Miss 1:30pm Heritage Hunters meeting and Sharing information Saturday 20 May 2000 We are rescheduling the Feb programs that were snowed out. 9am - Registration 9:30-10:30am Sources for Vital Records 10:45-11:45am Beyond Vital Records 11:45am-12:30pm Lunch Break 11:45am-12:30pm Genealogical Projects Committee - Lynn Calvin 12:30-1:30pm Genealogy and the Internet - David Fiske 1:30pm Heritage Hunters meeting and Sharing Information 2:30pm Arlene Eakle Video - Part II - Advanced Research Saturday 17 June 2000 Noon to 4pm, Speaker at 1pm followed by general meeting. Our speaker, Rodney C Myers, has been a Family Researcher for over forty years. He is the past president of the Capital District Genealogical Society in Albany NY. A member of numerous Genealogical Societies. He has given lectures in NYS & MA. His topic will be "What happens if the frog dies?" A migration story of mid nineteenth century Germans to America. A Genealogical Voyage of discovery. The lecture will give details to the many aspects of German life, which created a need to migrate. It will also cover the preparations for the voyage and the experiences on ship. And the lecture will also explore the conditions found in America. The program will highlight along the way, the many genealogical tools. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Many thanks to the folks at St Mary's of the Assumption, in Waterford New York, for doing a real extensive search of their records for the family of my great great grandfather and mother, RICHARD and CATHERINE KENSLEY BIRNEY (BURNEY/BYRNEY/BERNEY). They are ALL there from baptism through death and burial. I have changed the spelling of their name so many times in my files.....but at least now I know where they are. Slainte, Tim

Well I can tell you a lot of ways it is not pronounced and I personally have said them all at NYS Archives and each time an archivist or staff member tried to pronounce it for me and then I fractured it even worse than the other times before. It comes out sounding like SKAT-A-COKE if you say it fast. The i in there actually sounds more like the i in the word> it< So it sounds like Skat i coke. for Schaghticoke, New York. Now, have you heard how to pronounce Corinth, NY (here in Saratoga)? It was named after Corinthians of the Bible so you would say Core-inth. The residents up there do not say it that way and you will know if you are listening to someone from there. They say CORNth. There is no "in" in CORNth. I hope all of you with Saratoga ancestors will get back here and see the whole county. Edinburg,Corinth, Day, Hadley and all of that area is UP in the mountains and is considered the foothills of the Adirondack mountains. The Adirondack mountains are pretty wild and difficult to find lost people in. BUT what a wonderful area. Back in late 1920's they moved the people and cemeteries out and flooded the valleys up there and now have an enormous lake. Many people that come to Saratoga for all of the activities around Saratoga Springs do not ever go up there and it is almost a totally different life and wonderful. You have a totally different picture along the Hudson and Mohawk rivers and your ancestors lived differently than those up in the hills. Up the Hudson and on up to Lake George and up to Lake Champlain it is another setting and different industry and groups of people. This was the main corridor for the wars with troops moving from Canada to NY City so their history is another story as well as life along the waterways. Immigrants abounded because of all the types of work in the Hudson River valley. Troy, in it's prime, was the industial capital of American in its day and Saratoga County is right across the river. All these things were going on with your ancestors here. I am not a native. Came her 9 years ago to watch the grandchildren grow up and totally sold out on the history of this area. Many natives do not get out and appreciate what is here. Each summer, our HH members and friends make our 3rd Saturday a day to get together have a picnic/meal together and do a history day together. One year we went to the archealogical dig over in Ft. Edward and saw the remains of the original fort built in 1750's for the French and Indian War. Man, I was walking around for weeks looking at hillsides and ground and wondering if I would find something if I started digging. That is so fascinating to see the things they dug up and learn about their lives and stories. This is one of the most historic counties of NYS and you should be sure in your life time to bring your family here and explore Saratoga and surrounding area. Saw a dig in Albany last summer of the original docks from the early days and learned so much history every time I ran down from NYS Library to see what they had found in the past few days. History abounds around here. Our Heritage Hunter newsletter includes stories and information that we feel will be useful to a search but we also have included personal stories from some of our members about their ancestor in Saratoga County. That is what we are all about. Can't have history without people. God Bless Ruth Ann [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

<<The Saratogian had an article on 21 Feb 2000 about Abigail Powers who was born in Stillwater. He met her in New Hope when he was a 19 year old student of hers and she was 21. Their engagement lasted 9 years while he struggled at his legal practice. They were married in 1826. .....The Fillmores had two children: Mary, nicknamed Abby and a son Millard Powers Fillmore. Neither married so there are no descendants. >> Small world! While it's true that President and Mrs. Millard Fillmore have no direct descendents, they share the same roots as Newell Miller about whom I wrote earlier today. In December, 1662, Robert(3)(Robert(1)John(2) MILLARD married Elizabeth SABIN daughter of William SABIN. They had ten children in Rehoboth, MA. Nehemiah, born in 1668, was their third child, second son and retained the spelling MILLARD rather consistantly through next generations at least. Ephraim was their seventh child, sixth son. He and his descendents(as well as many MILLARDs interchanged MILLARD, MILLERD and MILLER settling on MILLER by the next generation. President Millard Fillmore's line goes from Robert Millard>Nehemiah Millard>Robert Millard (who moved to Dutches Co, NY)>Abiathar Millard>Phoebe Millard>Millard Fillmore. My ancestry goes Robert Millard>Ephraim Millard/Miller>Daniel Miller Sr>Daniel Miller Jr>Newell Miller. Pat

Well there is now another Saratoga Springs on this earth. I was talking via a 800 number to a man at Ancestry.com and when I said Saratoga Springs, he quickly said "I live in Saratoga Springs." I said, "you are here in Saratoga Springs, NY?" He is in a new community with hot springs about 40 minutes south of Salt Lake City, UT and it is called Saratoga Springs. He said there is no horse racing there. God Bless Ruth Ann [email protected], ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:32:06 -0500 [email protected] writes: I don't wubscribe to Ancestry, but if it is like world family tree on Ancestry, you can change the number following the last = sign in the url to a larger number and it will jump ahead to that record number. Jan >I tried to do a search of ancestry.com but there are 21,482 Millers in > >NYS from 1790 to 1890. Asking for Millers in NYS, they run by county >and Saratoga being at the far end of the 21,482, I could not get there >readily. I tried to find some way to jump ahead but could only go 10 >pages ahead at a time. If anyone knows how to jump ahead to a >higher number in that search, sure would love to hear from you. > >God Bless >Ruth Ann >[email protected] > > > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

n a message dated 2/28/00 9:18:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Have you researched the Newells? There is a lot out there on that surname. They are everywhere. >> Hello, Thanks for any easy question! :-) Lucy Newell, my 5xggrandmother was the twin-sister ...well, here: 104. LUCY6 NEWELL (JACOB5, JACOB4, JACOB3, ABRAHAM2, ABRAHAM1) was born July 16, 1738 in Attleboro, MA, and died Bef. February 28, 1780. She married DANIEL JR. MILLER November 18, 1759 in Cumberland, RI, son of DANIEL MILLER and HANNAH THAYER. He was born July 07, 1738 in Rehoboth, MA, and died September 10, 1811 in Sturbridge, MA. Children of LUCY NEWELL and DANIEL MILLER are: i. LUCY MILLER, b. September 06, 1760, Cumberland, RI; d. September 11, 1763, Cumberland, RI. ii. DANIEL MILLER, b. April 06, 1763. iii. LUKE MILLER, b. December 29, 1764, Connecticut. iv. LYDIA MILLER, b. October 21, 1767. 182. v. NEWELL7 MILLER, b. February, 1769, Cumberland, RI; d. February 23, 1827, Schaghticoke, New York. 183. vi. LUCY MILLER, b. Abt. 1770, Cumberland, RI.(married Abijah Brown, Charlton, Worcester Co, MA) vii. JUDITH MILLER, b. August 19, 1776. further 182. NEWELL7 MILLER (Robert1,John2, Robert3, Ephriaim4 , Daniel5 , Daniel6 ) was born in Cumberland, RI in February, 1769 and died February 23, 1827 in Schaghticoke, New York. Children of NEWELL MILLER and SOMEBODY!!!!! 257. i. LUKE MILLER8, b. Abt. 1800, Connecticut; d. January 11, 1884, Annsville,NY. ii. DANIEL MILLER. iii. HARRIET MILLER, b. 1803 m. REUBEN PRIEST, Bef. March 1827. iv. LUCY MILLER. v. LYDIA MILLER, m. UNKNOWN ROBBINS, Bef. March 1827. vi. MARIA MILLER. vii. HORACE MILLER. viii. LORENZO MILLER. ix. NEWELL MILLER. x. WILLIAM MILLER. b. ca 1820 xi. ALONZO MILLER xii. HIRAM MILLER, (see <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~njpatrn/">Pat'sGeocitiesPage</A> (http://www.geocities.com/~njpatrn/) and go to the genealogy page...It does need updating.) I would dearly love the oportunity to spend a day/week/a very long time in the Rensselaer and Saratoga county and town Court Houses. Not only should there be a will in Saratoga as well as Rensselaer, but there should be deeds for both the buying and selling of the property--in the Village of Stillwater and perhaps in the the town of Schaghticoke(and if anyone can phonetically teach me to pronounce that town I will be eternally grateful!!) a s well. Since between the 1810 census and his death in 1827 Newell7 Miller had six additional children, I expect several of them to be under 21 and requiring guardianship after his death. Although a bunch of them Luke, Hiram, Lorenzo, Alonzo at least, turn up in Oneida Co for the 1840 census--also, Luke Miller was struck from the list of members of the Stillwater Presbyterian Church in March of 1838. Luke is noted as a War of 1812 Vet ..alledged to have been a waterboy---I haven't found documentation. I not only can't find who and when(or how many times) Newell7 married, but have problems with Luke8's married life as well, Newell's widow was Matilda ???. In 1829, Luke and Matilda ---don't know if it's the same or a different Matilda, had a son, John Miller(also in Oneida in 1840 and burried near Luke). I can't turn up a marriage with anyone before 1832 when he married Ruth Ward by whom he had a large family. I haven't been able to locate the family in 1830. Sorry to go on and on....this is such a teaser! Pat

The Saratogian had an article on 21 Feb 2000 about Abigail Powers who was born in Stillwater. He met her in New Hope when he was a 19 year old student of hers and she was 21. Their engagement lasted 9 years while he struggled at his legal practice. They were married in 1826. Her father, Lemuel Powers was a Baptist pastor who established nine churches in Saratoga County area. But the Powers family moved to the western part of the state before any siblings could establish families so there are no Powers descendants related to Mrs. Fillmore living locally according to Linda Sanders, Town of Stillwater Historian. Mrs. Fillmore is credited with introducing "modern" amenities to the White House. She won approval to have the first cookstove and bathtub installed. There was no library in the White House and she established the first one. Fillmore served the remainder of President Zachary Taylor's term when he died 16 months into his presidency. He failed to get elected but attended the inauguration of Franklin Pierce which was cold, wet and windy causing Mrs. Fillmore to catch pneumonia, from which she died three weeks later. The Fillmores had two children: Mary, nicknamed Abby and a son Millard Powers Fillmore. Neither married so there are no descendants. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Since Skidmore families were here in Saratoga County and we have a Skidmore College in Saratoga Springs, thought this might be of help to some researchers. Found this on Dick Eastman's latest newsletter on new homepages. Skidmore family both in the US and UK (including all spelling variations: Scudamore/Skidmore/Scidmore/Skydmore/, etc.): http://www.skidmoregenealogy.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

If Newell Miller owned property in Saratoga County, there should be a will filed for him in Saratoga County. If he owned property in several states, they would need to file a copy of the will and final disposition of his estate in each place the property was owned. The deed-out should list in the index, Newell Miller, et al which would be Luke and Matilda Newell's names also. If Luke is the oldest son, this is a very common occurence dating from the early laws of the Bible. He is duty bound to care for his mother and provide for all of the children until they are 21. The fact that he left the daughters $1. just states that they are married and of age and do not need further care from his estate. As the children become of age or the final child is out and Matilda has died, there may be additional papers in his probate file at a later date showing that each of these things were taken care of and the estate satisfied. Should there be a real need, especially financial before all of this is satisfied, you might find other paper work in the probate where the court has to approve of alternate measures, such as selling off some or all of the estate to pay off previous creditors, or provide for the needs of these people in some other way. Possibly the mortgage or rent provided from these men will be enough income to keep them going. It does not mention the Right of Dower of the wife so she would have to be provided to her death. If any of those children are under 21, there would most likely be a guardianship listed for them. In Guardianships is where you usually will find their actual date of birth. It usually states John Doe, being 15 on his birthday last 12 Oct. Then you take the year the paper is filed in and go to the year before, and subtract 15 years from that and you will know what year John Doe was born in on 12 Oct. Heritage Hunters volunteers have been copying the index to the Surrogate which includes the Testate (with a will), Intestate (without a will) and Guardianships (under-age children) and publishing them in our bi-monthly newsletter. We are currently up to the "L" in the index. We are extacting all card from 1790 to 1900. This is a great resource to have on hand. The newsletter includes queries from our members and great articles about the events and information about the towns. Are there any others of Newell's household in the census in Rensselaer County? The fact that he still owns the property in Stillwater and is residing in Rensselaer is a bit of a mystery unless he has a business or property to live on over there. He has two other people living on or using his Stilllwater property but they could just be farming it or taking the wood off of it. Have you researched the Newells? There is a lot out there on that surname. They are everywhere. Finding answers always brings up more questions. Game of elimination. God Bless Ruth Ann [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

If Newell Miller resided in Stillwater, why is his will filed in Rensselaer County instead of Saratoga County? Did he move? Please give a more information. What do you know about the family already? Father: name, dob, dod and place of death Mother: name, maiden, dob, dod and place of death Siblings: names, sister's married names, dob, dod and places of death. I tried to do a search of ancestry.com but there are 21,482 Millers in NYS from 1790 to 1890. Asking for Millers in NYS, they run by county and Saratoga being at the far end of the 21,482, I could not get there readily. I tried to find some way to jump ahead but could only go 10 pages ahead at a time. If anyone knows how to jump ahead to a higher number in that search, sure would love to hear from you. God Bless Ruth Ann [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In a message dated 2/28/00 7:26:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << If Newell Miller resided in Stillwater, why is his will filed in Rensselaer County instead of Saratoga County? Did he move? >> Great Question!!! I wish I had an answer that made sense. According to his will, Newell resided in Schagticoke, but the 1810 and 1820 census count him in Stillwell, Saratoga Co. A rough transcript of the will: The last will and testament of Newell Miller of the Town of Schaghticoke in the County of Rensselaer and State of New York: I, Newell Miller, being of sound mind and memory do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner and form following that is to say: First: I hereby give and bequeath to my beloved wife Matilda and my Luke all my real estate situate in the Village of Stillwater in the County of Saratoga and occupied at present by James Grant and Joseph Van Schaick equally to be divided between them for the support of my family consisting of Lucy Newell Horace Alonzo Lorenzo William Daniel Maria & Hiram my said children. Second: I do hereby give and bequeath unto my said wife Matilda and my said Son Luke Miller all my personal property books of account and ch___ in action of whatever kind or nature soever equally to be divided between them for the purpose above mentioned. Third: I hereby give and bequeath to my daughter Harriet Priest the Sum of One dollar in money to be paid by my executors herein after mentioned out of the estate above mentioned after the expiration of six months after my decease. Fourth: I do hereby give and bequeath unto my daughter Lydia Robbins the sum of one dollar in money to be paid by my Executor hereinafter mentioned out of the estate above mentioned after the expiration of six months after my decease; and lastly, I hereby appoint my Son Luke Miller sole Executor of this my last will and testament, hereby revoking all former wills by me made.) Newell Miller was born in February, 1769 presumably in Cumberland, RI to Daniel Jr and Lucy NEWELL MILLER. I say presumably because Newell and one sister, Lucy A. are NOT listed in the RI VR whereas six sibs are! Newell's mother died and his father very promptly married Mary WISE. For some reason, Newell and his sibs were made wards of and lived with their grandfather Daniel MILLER Sr. in Worcester MA. (Daniel and Mary Wise had at least 3 children together, and after Daniel's death she married Philip SAWYER. She resided in Greenfield Saratoga Co when she applied for Daniel's Rev War pension--in 1820, though she was married to Philip Sawyer.). Newell is invisible to me til about 1796 when he turns up in the Canaan, Litchfield Co., CT area land records. In 1797, notice of the death of 21 yr old MRS. NEWELL MILLER in Litchfield Co.---no idea who she was! The family were memebers of the Canaan Church(Congregational>Presbyterian). The CHURCH moved from Canaan, CT to Stillwater. Newell (Sr.) is buried in the Old Colonial Cemetery in Stillwater ---alone. Daughter Harriet married Reuben Priest and settlled in what is now Fulton Co. Lydia married a ROBBINS...no further info. Such a puzzle!

In a message dated 2/28/00 12:22:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << it only lists women and men by age *groups* -- no way of telling how many wives. By 1850 one did list all names, and how many times/years people were married. >> Hi, Yes, I do realize this----but to an extent, respectfully disagree with your assessment. While the 1820 and early census don't give names, by comparing known dates, ages and circumstances, a lot can still be learned. I have the 1810 census. It shows Newell with a household of one male under 10, one male 10-16, one male 26-40, four females under 10, and one female 45+. I have Newell Millers will, written and probated in 1827. It names twelve children, Luke, Harriet, Lydia, Lucy, Newell, Horace, Alonzo, Lorenzo, William, Daniel, Maria & Hiram. (8 males, 4 females). I can theorize that in the 1810 census Luke, b 1800 is the male 10-16, Newell, b 1769 the head of the household, is the male 26-40. The four females under 10 fit the daughters. I know Newell's oldest son(my ggggggrandfather Luke) was born in 1800 (tombstone) --but don't know where, likely NY or CT. I know one daughter, Harriett Stillwell MILLER PRIEST, was born in 1803. Who is the 45+ female of 1810---the 1820 census may tell me if she's still in the housefold. Newell's mother died when he was 10 yrs old; mother in law? maybe but the only clue to his wives possible family(s) is Harriet's middle name "STILLWELL". It's rather unlikely that the 45+ year old female mothered an additional six sons! My hope in the 1820 census is that the age breakdown and composition of the household can provide additional clues. Pat Griffiths

Hi, Does anyone have ready access to the 1820 census and can trully help me thru this road block? My gggggggrandfather Newell MILLER seems to have managed to have his name spelled just a weee bit differently in every census....and that's the easy part. In the 1820 census, he's Newall Miller, living in Stillwater, and on page 191. He died in 1827 and his will, filed in Rensselaer Co gives us lots of questions, but few answers. He had 10 children...but by how many wives...and when. The 1820 census might have some answers. Also in Stillwater, on pgs 192 & 193 are two "James Miller"s possibly Newell's brother and nephew. Two "William Miller"s, one in Edinburgh and the other in Greenfield may also be brother and nephew to Newell.....particularly because I do know that Newell's mother filed for her Revolutionary War widow's pension application from Greenfield. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. Pat Griffiths <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~njpatrn/index.html">Pat's Genealogy Page</A>

I am forwarding this message sent to me to see if someone can help this lady. Please send a message to the sender with a copy to NYSARATO-L as others might be seeking these people. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- From: Ruth Ensor <[email protected]> To: unlimitd1 <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 100 21:11:59 Pacific Daylight Time Subject: Saratoga William Betis Wade son of Asa Wade born Mar 199 1792 NY Saratoga married SUSAN MC WADE Aug 27 1814 in Ballston Spa Need to know father and mother of Susan McWade. Thanks, Ruth Ensor Bates Cnty Mo ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Ok, now bear with me here. I know you folks who are REAL Saratogians will recognize this immediately. But I am just beginning to figure stuff out so here it goes. In 1834 and guy named JOHN MORRISSEY, aged 3, emigrated from Ireland to Troy, New York. He became a big deal in your parts, particularly Saratoga Springs, all of which you folks would know. I just read about him in my neighbors book as they are former residents of Saratoga Springs and when they heard my name.... So my initial questions which do not seem to be addressed in the book are: Where in Ireland was he from? Did he have any family with him? Do we know anything about his ancestors? Do we know anything about his descendants? Any help appreciated. Slainte, Tim

Thank you so much for the migration information it has answered many questions I had. I'm sure the same for many others. Now If you ever come across the names of ships that frequently transported passengers from what countries to what USA ports on a time line, WOW! well It can't hurt to ask? Thank You So much. Justin [email protected] wrote: > A contibution from Charlie to help with your search. > > THE ENGLISH > > 1. Social and economic dislocation, caused in part by pressure > on feudal system by inflation resulting from vast amount of new > gold and silver introduced through Spain. > 2. Political rivalry between a recently strengthed England and Spain. > 3. Richard Hakluyt's "Discourse of Western Planting" provides an > intellectual rationale for colonizing both in Ireland and the New World. > 4. Religious upheaval in England encourages various groups to leave. > 5. The success of Francis Drake leads englishmen to perceive of > the New World as a land of instant riches, thus serving as a catalyst > for colonization. > 6. Development of joint stock companies provides economic base > for colonization (think the Jamestown-Virginia Stock Co, pocahontas > timeframe). > 7. Failure of the Spanish Armada gives English greater confidence. > > B. THE NON ENGLISH > 1. Blacks introduced, first as indentured servants, then as slaves, > after 1619. > 2. Dutch and Swedes are incorporated as New York and New Jersey > become english colonies. > 3. Huguenots (French Protestants) permitted by English to settle > after forced to leave France. > 4. Lowland Scots settle in northern Ireland, then shortly after > 1700 come in large numbers to the English colonies, settling on > the frontier and becoming known as the "Scotch-Irish." > 5. Germans, largely from the Panatinate, settle on the frontier at > same time as the "Scotch-Irish" and become known as the > "Pennsylvania Dutch." > 6. After 1750, signficant numbers of Highland Scots are permitted > to leave Scotland to settle in the English colonies, with the promise > they will never fight against the (english) Crown. > > II. MOVEMENT OF ANCESTORS AFTER MAJOR MIGRATION > ACROSS THE ATLANTIC OCEAN > > A. Rather static habits of most settlers in the English colonies > throughout the Colonial Era. > > 1. Most colonists rarely moved more than 20 miles in their lifetime, > except for Scotch-Irish who moved often. > 2. New England religious and social attitudes discouraged much > movement, often required considerable preparation before moves > were sanctioned. > 3. Southern settlers who came from England found themselves > oriented toward England economically, socially and politically, and > by 1776 more than 85% were still within thirty miles of the Atlantic > coast. > 4. "Pennsylvania Dutch" though settling most of the frontier from > NY South, rarely moved after selecting a permanent home. > > B. Surge of interest in the West leads to settlement in Tennessee, > Kentucky, and the Ohio Valley after 1750. > > 1. Exploration shows great desirability of these areas. > 2. Establishment of military roads such as Forbes Road and > Braddocks Road opens the Ohio Valley during the French and > Indian War, after 1754. > 3. Development of Cumberland Gap and the Wilderness Road > open Kentucky. > 4. Utilization of the Indian trails of the Great Valley of the > Appalachians brings settlers from Virginia and Maryland to > Tennessee, while North Carolinians use the river valleys of the > Holston, Nolichucky and French Broad to the same part of eastern > Tennessee. > > C. Revolutionary War encourages western settlement. > > 1. Removal of indians from desired land often justified as part > of war effort. > 2. British policy which often discouraged settlement west of > Appalachians no longer operative. > 3. Individual states, especially Virginia and North Carolina, > encourage settlement to solidify their claims before 1778. > 4. Land speculation rampant. > 5. Western land utilized for land bounties given to Revolutionary > War soldiers. > 6. Treaty of Paris of 1783 ending the Revolutionary War almost > doubles the area claimed by the U.S. when Britain agrees to a > Mississippi River boundary. > > D. Western Movement escalates during the early national period. > > 1. Legislation such as the Northwest Ordinances of 1784 > (deciding that the West will be admitted as states equal to the > original 13 colonies), 1785 (providing for the surveying and orderly > sale of western land) and 1787 (providing specific steps for > establishment of territories, then states) encourages settlement. > 2. Challenges to U.S. claims to land north and west of Ohio river > by Britain, and in the far south by Spain leads to heightened > American interest in Ohio and the "Yazoo Strip." > 3. The clearing of Indian and British claims to the Ohio Country > by the Treaty of Ft. Greenville and Jay's Treaty in 1795 and Pinckney's > Treaty, in which Spain not only recognizes the American interpretation > of the Yazoo controversy, but guarantees Americans the right to > navigate the entire Mississippi River erased many of the impediments > to settlement in these areas. > 4. Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin 1793, making the growing > of upland cotton commercially feasible at a time when European > technological development has led to a major demand for a new > source of fibers, greatly affects the nature and level of western > settlement. > A) Southerners with land find a ready sale for it, at unheard of > prices, which gives them the funds to go elsewhere. > B) Even though land suitable for growing of cotton will usually > cost between $15 and $50 per acre, many settlers from the Old > South cling to the traditional pattern of going almost due west, > because of the great profits that can be made from raising cotton. > C) Many southerners break the traditional pattern of settling > almost straight west of where they had lived before and go instead > clear up the Ohio River Valley, settling in southern Ohio, Indiana > or Illinois. This is largely because: > 1) Slavery which almost everyone thought was dead, was revitalized > because of the need for dependable cotton cultivators, many left > the south because of an aversion to slavery; > 2) Some left because they didn't like blacks, and because the > Northwest Ordinances forbade slavery, they chose to go there; > 3) Most who left the south and went to the Ohio Valley probably did > so because they were guaranteed that they could obtain what they > considered to be exceptional fertile land at no more than $1.25 per > acre. > > 5. Abrupt departure of many people from New England between > 1800 and 1810. > a) Appeal of rich land in upstate NY, now free of most Indian claims. > b) Appeal of land in Ohio Valley, especially northern Ohio, Indiana > and Illinois. > c) People moving from New England to Ohio Valley begin raising > sheep and agri products, making it difficult for New Englanders > with their generally poor soil, to compete. > d) Embargo Act of 1807 destroys the New England shipping > industry and the New England economy sags considerably. > e) Much of the traditional New England resistance to individual > distant settlement is fading. > f) The introduction of steamboats, whch make upriver navigation > of the Mississippi and Ohio rivers practical, further enhances the > economy of the area west of New England. > 6. The LOUISIANA PURCHASE of 1803 almost doubles the land > of the United States, establishes new opportunities for Americans > in the far west, and entices many young men to settle, grow cotton, > trade, trap and explore. > > E. ADDITIONAL FACTORS LEADING TO THE TREMENDOUS > SETTLEMENT OF THE FIRST 50 YEARS OF THE 19th CENTURY. > > 1. Canal boom of the 1820s, especially the extremely successful > Erie Canal which drastically lowers the cost of east-west shipping. > 2. Changing Indian policy which by 1816 encourages each Indian > head of family to select 640 acreas on which to live or move west > of Mississippi River and by 1826 tells all Indians east of Mississippi > they must remove, thus making much land available, especially for > cotton production in the south. > 3. The Adams-Onis Treaty in 1819 gives the U.S. Spain's claim to > Florida, but also to the land north of the 42nd parallel (the northern > border of California). > 4. American settlement of Texas, beginning in 1823, which leads > to Texas independence in 1836, admission to the Union in 1845. > 5. Development of the railroad as a means of transportation and > of encouraging westward movement. > 6. American interest in Oregon soars after 1841, with rapid > settlement of the Willamette River Valley. > 7. Mormons, dispossessed from their homes in Missouri and > Illinois, go first to Iowa, then make a major migration to the Salt > Lake Valley in 1847, quickly expanding throughout the Great Basin. > 8. The War with Mexico ends with the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo > giving the Southwest to the U.S. > 9. The discovery of large amounts of placer gold in California > leads to a major rush there in 1849 and statehood in 1850. > 10. The Pacific Railway Act and Homestead Act in 1862 lead to a > further, effective settlement of the west. > 11. The CENSUS of 1890 OFFICIALLY declares that there is no > longer a frontier in the U.S. > > III. IMPORTANT FACTS THAT MAY HELP YOU FIND WHERE > YOUR FAMILY CAME FROM OR WENT. > > A. RULE OF THE HARVEST. Before the 1850s (and McCormick's > reaper) families rarely planted more than they could harvest, > which was between 15-25 acres per able bodied person who > could help with the harvest. Finding out how many acres your > family cultivated will help you know how many many people > were in the household. > B. IMPORTANCE OF HARDWOOD TREES. In both the North > and the South, conventional wisdom (and you thought it was > a '90s soundbite!) indicated that land covered with hardwood > trees was the best, while grassland was to be avoided. Despite > the great difficulty of clearing land covered with oaks and maples, > that was the land most likely selected by your ancestors prior > to the 1820s. > C. FAMILIES WHO MADE THEIR LIVING PIONEER FARMING > rarely moved unless they had enough means to live on for at > least 2 years, or had someone who would provide for them this > long. This is due to the fact that it took 2 years to go through the > process of converting a hardwood forest into an economically > viable farm. If your family moved, it usually meant they had > enough money to survive for 2 years without much add'l income, > or enough $ to buy an already improved farm. Few poverty stricken > people (PSP)moved west, but a fair number of PSPs moved east. > D. MOST SETTLERS BEFORE 1800 at least in the North, moved > west during the winter, usually in January and early February. > Expect your families to have moved then, not in the summer. > E. With a new notable exceptions, your ancestors MOVED ALMOST > DUE WEST, rarely deviating more than a few degrees up or down. > F. IF YOUR ANCESTORS WERE IN NEW ENGLAND PRIOR TO > 1700, expect them to stay very close to the same site until 1800. > By 1810, they will most likely be in upstate New York, by 1820 in > northern Ohio, Indiana or Illinois, and by 1850 perhaps in Iowa, > Oregon, California or Utah. > G. TOWNS SETTLED BY NEW ENGLANDERS usually had streets > running north-south and east-west, while towns settled by > Southernors often placed less emphasis on grid patterns. > > TRAVEL ROUTES. > > COLONIAL ROADS TO 1750. As one of the earliest east-west > wagon roads, the Lancaster road linked Philadelphia to Harrisburg > before 1730. A connection from Lancaster to Winchester, Virginia, > in the early 1740s, created what was either called the Philadelphia > Wagon Road or the Great Valley Road. The Fall Line Road crossed > Virginia and the Carolinas, and eventually into Georgia. By 1746, > the Pioneer's Road had connected Alexandria to Winchester, > Virginia, joining with the Great Valley Road. By 1748, the Upper Road > became an important wagon route for migrations into the Carolinas. > > THE WAY WEST, 1775-1795. Daniel Boone's Wilderness Road was > the route for thousands of settlers into Kentucky. Meanwhile the > western Pennsylvania routes provided an overland access to the > Ohio River. After the Revolutionary War, western migrations on > these routes continued to increase. > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/