This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YUB.2ACI/357.447.1.1 Message Board Post: Bruce: Just wondered what evidence and documentation you may have to prove that Adolphus "b. 1699 NYC" was a son of Olvert Shuart/Sjoert/etc. and Margaret Cloppers as per Pat Wardell in 1995. I have not yet found a single shred, other than similarities in the many spellings of the surnames that attach to both individuals. It appears to me that someone along the way just pasted the name of Adolphus into the progeny of Olvert and Margaret, and the attribution has been repeated endlessly ever since. I haven't yet seen the original record, but other sources point out that Adolphus was married on or about 23 October 1719 to Margaret Geerlingh (nee' Ecker?) in New Jersey, and that the marriage record itself states that Adolphus was born in "Pruymes" in Germany, not NYC. Nevertheless, some have continued to justify the appearance of this Adolphus in the lineage of Olvert by simply claiming, without any evidence I can find, that Olvert was on a sea voyage to Germany with his wi! fe and that she gave birth to Adolphus there. So here we have Olvert's wife, who had baptized Ytie on 3 July 1698 in the NY Reformed Church, going on a difficult months-long trans-Atlantic sea voyage with her husband within months of her last pregnancy, enduring yet another 9 months or less of another pregnancy to give birth to Adolphus in Germany the following year, becoming pregnant again just in time to have Johannis born and then baptized in NYC on 6 April 1701. Seems far-fetched to me, especially when we see the regular pattern of the baptisms of all of Olvert's other children before and after Adolphus in the NYCRefCh records separated by intervals of about 3 years or more. Also, Olvert Shuart left a will in NYC in 1710, but does not mention son named Adophus among his heirs, nor have I ever seen Adolphus mentioned among any of the NYC records or any records associated with Olvert and Margaret. Unless someone can provide solid evidence to the contrary, I think we ! need to separate Adophus from the lineage of Olvert and Margaret, and work with the only evidence we have, i.e. that Adolphus was a separate immigrant deriving from a family living in or near Germany. I do agree that the Dutch name of Olvert Sjourt/Syourt/etc. became known as "Shuart" among some of his descendants and that these descendants can be traced to Olvert, but the Shuart's deriving from Adolphus Shurte/Shuart/etc. must be considered as a separate lineage for now. - Rich