Hi Donna, The citation for "Genealogy of a Colonial Dutch Bush Family", is Vol 64, #2, Summer 1991, pp. 29-33. I picked this out of "Directory of Genealogical and Historical Articles Published in de Halve Maen from 1923 to 1991", Compiled by William Brouwer Bogardus. It is available from his by SnailMail Anneke Jans and Everardus Bogardus Descendants Association 1121 Linhof Road Wilmington, OH 45177-2917 (513) 382-3903 Sorry for not digging this out earlier, but my piles are deep. Bob Protzmann

Carol, Here is the exchange: CKaufman@SYCR.com NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com Re: Irregular Dutch Reformed Church Carol, Yes it was published. A copy is in the New City Library, Rockland Co, NY. It was published in the NYG&B RECORD, Vol 101, #2, April 1970, p 65-73 #3, July 1970, pp. 158-164 #4 Oct 1970, pp. 235-244 Vol # 102, #1, Jan 1971, pp. 15-22 Bob Protzmann Kaufman, Carol [CKaufman@SYCR.com] Thu 5/13/99 8:27 PM [NYROCKLA-L] Irregular Dutch Reformed Church In "The Kakiat Patent," Howard I. Durie refers to "The Irregular Dutch Reforemd Churches of Tappan and Kakiat, Rockland County, NY" by Howard I. durie and George Olin Zabriskie (to be published). Does anyone know if this book was published? If so, where can I obtain a copy? Carol Kaufman Researching: CLARK and CHRISTIE of Bergen & Rockland Counties The journal, the NYG&B RECORD is published by the New York Genealogical and Biograhical Society. Bob

Hi Sally, Glad you had the chance to visit us during our Gathering. I have seen the books, 'Tombstone Inscriptions of Rockland County,NY and Bergan County, NJ ". They various cemeteries that are listed can be seen on our WebSite at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrockla/GSRC/> I believe that the Oak Hill listings are only partial, but probably include the oldest graves. We, at GSRC, are working with the caretaker at Oak Hill to put together a complete listing of all graves, from cemetery records. Bob

Carol, Yes it was published. A copy is in the New City Library, Rockland Co, NY. It was published in the NYG&B RECORD, Vol 101, #2, April 1970, p 65-73 #3, July 1970, pp. 158-164 #4 Oct 1970, pp. 235-244 Vol # 102, #1, Jan 1971, pp. 15-22 Bob Protzmann

Marianne, I don't have a lot about the CONKLINS, but if they were from the Palisades area, I have some, as this group inter-married with my lines. As far as BABCOCKs are concerned, I have little or none. Do you have InterNet access? If so, check out the WebPages of the Genealogical Society of Rockland County at http://www.rootsweb.com/GSRC/. There you will find our SURNAME Index. Look for BABCOCKs and CONKLINs, then check out the members' addresses for those searching those names. If you think you have family around Palisades, NY, let me know the names and I'll see what I can come up with. Bob

I am looking for information on the Merigold (Marigold) family in Orange County. I have visited the Orange County Genealogical Society and various libraries in the county. This is what I have. * Mr. Marigold worked on the Great Chain at Sterling Iron Works. * Lawrence Marygold in 1790 & 1800 census in Warwick Town. * Samuel Merigold married in the Brick Church in W. New Hempstead in 1808 * Lawrence & Samuel Merrygold both in 1820 census in Monroe * Samuel Merigold is buried in the Ramapo Works Cemetery, died in 1840 * Lawrence Merigold died at the Orange County Poor Farm in 1844 at age 90 * The rest of my family moved to Taunton, MA in 1850. Samuel Merigold was my GGG Grandfather. Questions: Was Lawrence, Samuel's father? Did Samuel have any brothers or sisters? Where was he born? Which Merigold worked on the Great Chain? Were there other Merigold's that worked at the Iron Works? Any Information you have about the Merigold family is be greatly appreciated. Thank You for your help, Ray Merigold

Working on the line of Gilbert JOHNSON (c1744-c1827 Rockland) who married Jane "Jinny" SMITH. The family sold Lot #10 in the North Moiety of Kakiat Patent in 1828 after the death of Gilbert. >From Rockland County Deeds and Patents, Budke, 1918. (BC-9 of the Budke Collection, NY Public Library. -Would like to find a copy of this book. It was reprinted by the Library Association of Rockland County in 1975. Does anyone know if copies are available?) Mortgage #414. Jacob VANDERBILT to Mary WALTON, Sr. 18 Oct 1765. For 150 pounds due 1747 and 96,4 pounds due 1764, 200 acres, full 1/2 Lot #10 in the Cakeat Patent. Bounds: on the south Jonathan SEAMAN, of the west Nicholas ANDRISEN, on the north Rindert HOUSE, and on the east by the highway. Deed #199. Nathan Oadle and wf Sarah of Precinct of Haverstraw deed dated 4 May 1769, for 157 pounds, a farm in the precinct of Haverstraw, 50 acres, bounds: Lands of Gilbert JOHNSON, Widow SEAMAN, Abraham BONTUS (BANTA?) and Rem. MONOOSE. Mortgage #532. John SPRINGSTEEN of New Hempstead, yeoman, to Augustus James Frederick Prevost of NY City, 4 Aug 1796. 107 acres in the eastern end of Lot #9 in the west range of lots in the North Moiety of the Kakiat Patent. Bounds: on the north by Lot#10 the land of Gilbert JOHNSON, on the east by the public road, on the south by Lot#8 the land of Johannes FISHURE (FORSHAY?) and on the west by Gilbert COOPER's land in Lot #9. (These lots are included on the map found on the inside covers of Cole's History of Rockland County.) My question is - How did Gilbert JOHNSON get Lot #10 which Mary WALTON Sr purchased in 1765? By 1769, Gilbert is listed as the owner, but there I can find no deed, will or mortgage to show how the transfer was made. Will someone more familar with Rockland County help me with this?

Sally, Additions and/or corrections are always welcome. Ethel Kay Konight Resolvert WALDRON-16356 First Generation 1. Resolvert WALDRON-16356. Resolvert married (1) Rebecca HENDRICKS-16358. They had the following children: + 2M i. Willem R WALDRON-16359 was born about 1647. + 3F ii. Rebecca R WALDRON-16360 was born about 1649. 4F iii. Aeltje R WALDRON-16361 was born about 1651. Aeltje married Johannes VERNELJE-24756 on 27 Aug 1670 in New York RDCh., [NYDC 1:34]. Resolvert also married (2) Tanneke Barents NAGEL-16357 on 10 May 1654 They had the following children: + 5M iv. Barent R WALDRON-16353 was born about 1655. 6F v. Ruth R WALDRON-16362 was christened 10 May 1657 in New York RDCh., (NYDC 2:45). Ruth married Hendrick BOGERT-24757 on 17 Sep 1703 in New York RDCh., [NYDC 1:100]. 7F vi. Cornelia R WALDRON-16363 was christened 28 Feb 1659 in New York RDCh., (NYDC 2:51). Cornelia married Pieter OBLENIS-24758 on 8 Jun 1685 in New York RDCh., [NYDC 1:57]. + 8M vii. Johannes R WALDRON-16364 was born 12 Sep 1665. + 9M 5. Barent R WALDRON-16353 (Resolvert) was born about 1655 in "N. Haerlem", per marr record. Barent married Jannetje J MYNDERTS-16355 on 25 Sep 1687 in New York RDCh., (NYDC 1:63). Jannetje was born in "N. Yorke", per marr record. Barent and Jannetje had the following children: 26F i. Belitje B WALDRON-24768 was christened 6 Apr 1690 in New York RDCh., [NYDC 2:196]. 27M ii. Johannes B WALDRON-24769 was christened 7 Aug 1692 in New York RDCh., [NYDC 2:209]. + 28F iii. Catherine B WALDRON-11956 was christened 25 May 1698. 28. Catherine B WALDRON-11956 (Barent R, Resolvert) was christened 25 May 1698 in New York RDCh., (NYDC 2:252). Catherine married Jan P FORSHAY-11954, son of Pieter FORSHAY-16381 and Abigail DEPEW-16382, on 18 May 1728 in New York RDCh., (NYDC 1:148). Jan was christened 25 Mar 1706 in Tarrytown, NY RDCh., (#128). They had the following children: 38M i. Petrus J FORSHAY-16352 was christened 2 Nov 1728 in Tarrytown RCh., (#637). + 39M ii. Barent J FORSHAY-12173 was christened 2 Sep 1730 and died 2 Mar 1802. + 40M iii. Johannis J FORSHAY-9241 was christened 17 Apr 1733 and died 21 Apr 1818. + 41M iv. Willem J FORSHAY-11955 was christened 10 Apr 1736. + 42F v. Janitie J FORSHAY-16354 was christened 24 Oct 1738. ------------------ Subj: [NYROCKLA-L] Re: Forshay Date: 6/30/99 5:42:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: ncwalt@webtv.net (Sally Walton) To: NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com In the line Forshay, Was the wife of John Forshay,25 Mar.1706-1782-3, Catherine Waldron born in New Amsterdam or Halem, NY? Was she related to RESOLVED Waldron? Sally

Though you would be interested in this situation. Ree Hopper From: Bob Griffin <bhb@cybernex.net> To: nj history bulletin board <nj_history@email.rutgers.edu> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:22 PM Subject: Bergen Co. HIstorical Society Library Collection Anyone interested in using the collection had better do so this summer, as it will definitely be moved and/or stored after August 1999. Many of you have read or heard in recent weeks that the Bergen Co. Historical Society's priceless book and clippings files collection will shortly be moved from its long time home at the Johnson Public Library in Hackensack.Sadly, this is true. For the past several years, we've been searching for another home. In October 1997, we were told by the Johnson P.L. Board of Trustees that we had 2 years to find a new home. Our situation is difficult because, as an all volunteer, non-profit organization, we've enjoyed the Johnson P.L. space at no cost to the Society, and our very modest budget does not provide for any excess funds to be used for rent. Likewise, while a few of our volunteers help patrons a couple of days a week, we really rely on the professional, salaried staff at the library to service the collection. Furthermore, it would not be sufficient for us merely to find an empty building, as there are significant safety and environmental concerns, the need for access during usual "library hours," and so forth. Therefore, we have concentrated our search on other possible library facilities, either public or academic. As you may be aware, today libraries everywhere are faced with severe space and financial difficulties. We have come face to face with this reality in our own search efforts. In our county-wide appeal (through the Bergen County Cooperative Library System of approx. 66 member libraries), only Rutherford P.L. and Mahwah P.L. admitted to any possible free space. Once it was checked out, the Rutherford space proved to be inadequate. At Mahwah, after some consideration, The Library Board elected NOT to grant us space in their new building. Likewise, after 6 months negotiating with Bergen Community College, we finally concluded there was simply no space at their campus in Paramus in which to house the collection, at this time. Two towns, Mahwah and Ridgewood, have vacant, old library buildings. The Mahwah Mayor and Council turned down the proposal made by the Township Administrator, Bob Anderson, to grant us space in the old Winter Library building in Mahwah. In Ridgewood, the old Pease building would be ideal space and would provide a very convenient, central location in the county. We have made a proposal to a special Committee that is investigating alternative uses for the building, and we are preparing a revised joint proposal with the Ridgewood Arts Council for the same space. If either proposal were accepted, however, we would probably not have access to the building for at least 2 to 3 years. Bergen County Executive, Pat Schuber, put us in touch with the president of Felician College, Sister Teresa Martin. Felician College is a small, Catholic college with its main campus in Lodi. Recently, they purchased the old Fairleigh Dickinson Univ. Campus property in Rutherford, and they plan to move some of their classes there. Our on-going discussions with Felician appear to be our best hope at the moment. We've had contact with a member of the history department faculty, and he is very eager to see us come to Lodi. I will be meeting with the director of the library and the vice president of administration tomorrow (7/1/99). Just today, I was also in touch with the library director at Ramapo College in Mahwah. She indicated that Ramapo was about to undertake an expansion program, and she was willing to investigate with the architect whether we might find room in their new facility. So, discussions are continuing there, as well. Meanwhile, we've been given a brief reprieve from the Johnson P.L board of trustees. Our June 30th (today) deadline has been extended to the end of August. At that time, we will either put the collection into storage at Felician College (assuming we would eventually move there, sometime in January '00), or into storage in a County office building in Hackensack. Either way, AFTER AUGUST 31, 1999, THE COLLECTION WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR AT LEAST 4 TO 6 MONTHS. Our long term goal is to unite the Johnson P.L. collection (which comprises about 1/3 of our total collection) with the other manuscripts, maps, atlases, photographs, bibles, newspapers, and other archive materials that are currently in storage in our HQ in River Edge. To that end, there are several options that might be available. First, of course, is the possibility of having our own facility at Historic New Bridge Landing (HNBL) in River Edge. We are working with the HNBL State Park Commission to see a fully developed historic park at New Bridge, and it would include a new library and archive facility. Also, we have discussed the possibility of a similar facility at the newly reclaimed Hackensack Water Company property in Oradell, also planning to become a historic and cultural resource center. Bergen Community College was sincerely interested in the collection, and eventually hopes to have enough room to consider housing the larger collection there. The same is true at the Pease library building in Ridgewood. In every case, we're talking about a minimum of 5 years before any of these possibilities are likely to pan out. We will continue to pursue each of them until we come up with the best solution. Meanwhile, anyone interested in using the collection had better do so this summer, as it will definitely be moved and/or stored after August 1999. I hope this explanation of our situation is helpful. Bob Griffin, President Bergen County Historical Society website at www.carroll.com/bchs and Bergen Historic Books, Inc. website at www.bergenhistoricbooks.com e-mail to bhb@cybernex.net (201) 816-0585 -

Hi,Bob. A pair of books titled 'Tombstone Inscriptions of Rockland County,NY and Bergan County, NJ " are available at the New City,NY library. They contain the information on Oak Hill Cemetary as well as many of the cemetaries in the area,including abandened and small family plots. They are ,I think ,indexed . The Gathering was really nice and I enjoyed meeting you all. Sally from NC

In the line Forshay, Was the wife of John Forshay,25 Mar.1706-1782-3, Catherine Waldron born in New Amsterdam or Halem, NY? Was she related to RESOLVED Waldron? Sally

My ggmother, Theresia vonWallmenich (nee Rauch), and her sister, Louise Rauch, either owned or operated an establishment (restaurant?, bar?, other?) by the name of L.B.Saloon in Rockland County, probably in Piermont, from about 1860 to about 1880. Does anyone have any information about the L.B. Saloon? Ted vonWallmenich vonwall@aol.com

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Forwarded Message from Dutch-Colonies Mail List: jelliot@cyberportal.net Wed 6/23/99 4:42 PM Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com Conklins in Rockland and Orange Co. My grandmother's notes are unorganized, but there is some information about her mother, Anna Hamilton Conklin, and maybe some leads...I'll just give them to you as she wrote them: Anna Hamilton Conklin (1845 - 1895 ) was the 4th (? may have been 5th) wife of Josiah Webb Dolson (1827 - 1890 ) m. 1874 in Johnstown, Rockland Co. NY > Don't know what the info is for in between these two Conklins ! Must be a >Hamilton somewhere< John Conklin (b. 1755 d. 1832) Mr. Denny- House of Representatives Committee on Revolutionary pensions - submitted the following report on John Conklin: He enlisted 1776in Jjacob De Wits (?) company of Rangers for and during the war. Company broke up Oct. 1778 for 3 years in Capt. Mills Company and Col Baldwin's Regiment. Regiment artificer Petitioner. Was made a Sergeant and continued to serve until Oct. 22, 1781 when he was honorably discharged, thereafter rendering scouting service on the frontier. Committee recommended that the petition be placed in the pension rolls. William Conklin, a brother of John, also served in the American Revolution. John lived in Haverstrawtown. Oldest son George born in 1800 and Manning the youngest of John's 10 children was born in 1825. The Conklin family came to America from England in 1638. >My grandmother makes a note that this information came from the pension >roll Vol. 2 pg 225< I have a note that Anna Hamilton Conklin was from Grassy Point, wherever that is ! I would like any information on Anna's ancestry if this info helps anyone ! Jane Dolson Rauscher Elliott Originally from Maplewood, NJ and now in uncrowded New Hampshire where we still leave the keys in the car and the house unlocked.

Where or how did this village obtain it's name? Thanks, Louise

In a message dated 6/24/99 8:49:42 PM, Robert.Protzman@akzo-nobel.com writes: << I believe that there is a chapter on FORSHAY in Mackensie's manuscript, "Families of Philipsburgh Manor". The only copies that I know of are in the Westchester Historical Society Collection, at the Westchester County Archives, and at the New York Public Library. Bob Protzmann >> fyi Mackensie's manuscript, "Families of Philipsburgh Manor". is also in the NYGB Libray. Many Forshay' Forshee are bur. in Pascack RDChyd. Montvale and Pearl River along presetn Woodland Rd. which becomes Old Pascack Rd. in NY State was known as Forshee town because of the large number of that family that lived there. Ree Hopper

At 01:28 PM 6/21/99 , you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can write to get a copy of birth certificate for >someone born in Haverstraw, NY in approx. 1898. >Thank you, Allison Gable NY State Dept. of Health at http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/consumer/vr.htm A couple of years ago it took six months to get a record (or notice of no record) back. Note: I don't think it's true for Rockland, but certain NY actual vital records are on LDS film, e.g. Brooklyn birth certificates from the 1880s. --Bruce (Bruce Hamilton, Redondo Beach, CA) bhami@netcom.com http://home.earthlink.net/~bhami/

Back in November, on this topic I suggested to the list: read the three-part article "The Foshay Family of Philipse Manor" by Glenna See Hill, NY Genealogical and Biographical Record, Apr-Jul-Oct 1987, vol.118 no.2-3-4. That article doesn't go much beyond people born in the 1790s. My Forshee line looks like: Pierre FOSHAY b.1683 France m. Abigail DUPUY John FOSHAY c.25 Mar 1706 d.1782/1783 m. Catherine WALDRON John FORSHEE b.15 Jan 1733 d.21 Apr 1818 m.1759 Magdalena BANTA Abraham FORSHEE b.26 Jun 1761 d.1845 m.1790 Elizabeth DE BAUN Ellen FORSHEE b. 29 Dec 1807 d.1903 m.Abraham DOREMUS I have a privately-published book (one of Pat Wardell's delightful hand-me-downs, I think) "Genealogy of the De Baun Family" by William H. Wallace, Oceanside, NY 1974, p.42 which lists the following children for Abraham Forseur and Elizabeth DeBaun. Presumably the second "Magdalena" is my "Ellen"?. I'd be interested in any pointers to other references on this. The book is one of these incredible, vast listings of names and dates with NO references whatsoever! and so is only of suggestive value. 163 Magdalena, b. 3 Feb 1787, died young 164 Jacob b. 11 Sep 1788, bap. 28 Sep 1788 Paramus 165 Anna bap. 10 Jan 1790, died young 166 John b. 18 Sep 1792 167 Abram b. 25 Sep 1794 168 Anna b. 27 Jun 1798 169 Peter b. 25 Jan 1805 170 Magdalena b. 24 Dec 1807 --Bruce (Bruce Hamilton, Redondo Beach, CA) bhami@netcom.com http://home.earthlink.net/~bhami/

Bill, I noticed your post on the NYROCKLA List. I have one line of FORSHAYs that married into my CHAMPENOIS family. This was on the Manor of Philipsburgh, in Westchester County, NY, pre-American Revolution. It is my understanding that the ROCKLAND lines originated with the family in WESTCHESTER Co. This family came from FRANCE, possibly via the Netherlands, during the early Colonial period. I have not done much with this branch of the tree. I believe that there is a chapter on FORSHAY in Mackensie's manuscript, "Families of Philipsburgh Manor". The only copies that I know of are in the Westchester Historical Society Collection, at the Westchester County Archives, and at the New York Public Library. Bob Protzmann

Dear list members, Is there an active Order of the Eastern Star chapter in the Spring Valley area? I need to check for records on Mary Jane (Polly) BENNETT GILLIS born 1860 and her daughter Florence GILLIS DUVALL born c1900. They are my husband's grandmother and aunt. Also, is there an active Mason Chapter in the Spring Valley area? I need to check on my husband's grandfather William Gillis born 1862. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kathy Unsel Gillis wbgillis@snet.net