Hi, Kelley, I can't offer help about Stony Point, but I did recently discover a way you may find your ancestors' immigration information during those unindexed years. The website http://genweb.net/~gen-cds/cdlist.html is a site where volunteers will look up names on cds of indexed information for you. Go to the webpage, click on the link called "On-Line Family Finder Index," input your ancestor's name, and if a CD number comes up, you can then request one of the volunteers with that CD to look up the citation for you. I found some ancestors' immigrations there that I have never before been able to locate. Hope the same for you. My apologies to the list if this is off-topic, but it is such a good resource, thought some other listers here might want to know, too. Michelle Stone in Marietta, GA 71172.2370@compuserve.com Message text written by INTERNET:NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com >I am looking for the Peter Grass family that came to the US between Nov 1848 and Nov 1849. (No indexes immigration lists). I have looked for passenger lists, but there are hundreds of films for this time period. I think they may have settled for a short period of time in Stony Point. They were wine makers in Germany, immigrated to NY, then left for California and bought property there in 1855/56. They named their vineyard in California, Stony Point Vineyard and there is a Stony Point road which lead to their property. Peter Grass died before getting to California, so I thought he might be buried in Stony Point. Is there any obituaries or death indexes for this area? Or many be a cemetery index dating to that period? Also, I have been told that this part of New York looks very like the Rhine area of Germany. Can someone confirm that? §(~¿~ )§ Kelley Kishpaugh Cottonwood, AZ scubado@verdenet.com <

I am looking for the Peter Grass family that came to the US between Nov 1848 and Nov 1849. (No indexes immigration lists). I have looked for passenger lists, but there hundreds of films for this time period. I think they may have settled for a short period of time in Stony Point. They were wine makers in Germany, immigrated to NY, then left for California and bought property there in 1855/56. They named their vineyard in California, Stony Point Vineyard and there is a Stony Point road which lead to their property. Peter Grass died before getting to California, so I thought he might be buried in Stony Point. Is there any obituaries or death indexes for this area? Or many be a cemetery index dating to that period? Also, I have been told that this part of New York looks very like the Rhine area of Germany. Can someone confirm that? §(~¿~ )§ Kelley Kishpaugh Cottonwood, AZ scubado@verdenet.com New internet business model launches. Interested? e-mail me for more information.

Hi List, I have asked this question before and had a reply, however, I lost or deleted by accident the reply. My FAGAN family lived in the Stony Point - Grassy Point area from around 1880-1920 and probably longer. I would like to do inter library loans for the local newspaper of that time to try to find obituaries. Can anyone tell me the name of the newspaper and which library has it on microfilm so I could contact them to inquire about inter library loans. Thanks for any help. Debbie - South Carolina

Hi List, Looking for any information on Louis MOSER married Elizabeth FAGAN possibly late 1890s in Stony Point or Grassy Point. Their children were Sara, Catharine, Mary, Louis, Anastasia, Veronica and Joseph. Their children's births were abt 1900 - 1916. On 1920 Census the were listed on River Street, Stony Point. Thanks to anyone who may have information on this family line. Debbie - South Carolina

I have been searching for any published books and or peridodicals that would list the subsequent owners of the Patent. I have an ancestor who purchased a farm that sat on the old and New Jersey Line commonly callled the Gore on October 20, 1786. He purchased the farm from a Joshua Martin. Can anyone direct me on finding out more info and exactly where the land was situated? Any help will be appreicated... Dave Wyble Sr.

FYI - The Bergen County Historical Society Library, which was asked to vacated the Johnson Public Library in Hackensack, is closed untill further notice - 65 cartons of books and vertical files are going into storage. :-( Ree Hopper

Hello, Does anyone know the following? I am looking for any clues regarding the family of: Nathan JONES, b. 1792 Rensselaer County NY, m. Esther BABCOCK, d. 3 Mar 1863 Oneida County NY. Nathan and Esther had at least one child, Betsey Emeline JONES (who married and divorced Joseph WELLS of Augusta, Oneida County NY). Esther's BABCOCK line is of the BABCOCKs of Westerly RI, and I strongly suspect that Nathan's is, too, as there was a Nathan JONES in Westerly RI the right age to be Nathan's father (or grandfather?). I just cannot make the connection. Can anyone help? Thank you, Carol Martin carolmorgain@earthlink.net

I am looking for the ancestors of Sarah A. Mace born in Rockland County NY on 2 July 1811. She was the dau of Wendell and Amanda (Bush) Mace. Sarah married George W. Sayles in 1830 who was from Oneida County, NY. Does anyone have information on these families? Thank you for your help. Perry Adams

For any who are interested, I located Bombey's Hook for Karen Izzo who asked the original question and answered her privately. It's a promontory in the Palisades about two mile north of the present day Alpine Boat Basin and at 520 feet above the Hudson is one of the highest points, if not the highest point, of the southern section of Palisades overlooking the Hudson. And, of course, it lies within Bergen County, New Jersey. I located it on one of a number of hiking maps I have of the Palisades and the Hudson Highland region, all of which include many place names and named features that can't be found on conventional road maps or even the USGS quadrangles. And for what it's worth, the spelling on my maps is Bombay Hook omitting any possessive. Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania

A possible lead... -----Original Message----- From: hdahm <hdahm@ibm.net> To: Hank & Kathryn Girardin <girardin@mint.net> Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [NYROCKLA-L] Bompey's Hook - where is it? >HI: > >Can't help much here. I never heard of the place. Hook in Dutch means >mountain. Hook Mountain in Nyack is therefore redundant. It was originally >called the Verdritage Hook, which I believe means "Green Mountain". > >My grandpa, William Dahm, operated a quarry briefly at Rockland Lake, near >where the Knickerbocker Ice Company loaded ice on barges from their ice >houses to supply the hotels in New York. He also started a small quarry in >Alpine, buried off route 340 on the 'inside' of the palisades, in addition >to those in North Bergen, West Nyack, Mt. Ivy and Suffern. > >I'd suggest a call to the Yonkers Historical Society, if there is one. Also >the Library of Congress probably has old maps of the river and region. With >the use of the term 'Hook', I'd look at an old Dutch map of the river. > >OD >-----Original Message----- >From: Hank & Kathryn Girardin <girardin@mint.net> >To: Bert & Arlene Dahm <hdahm@ibm.net> >Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 1:14 PM >Subject: Fw: [NYROCKLA-L] Bompey's Hook - where is it? > > >>Didn't know if you would have any info for this guy. Let me know >>-----Original Message----- >>From: by way of Bruce Hamilton <bhami@netcom.com> <KarenIzzo@aol.com> >>To: NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com <NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 4:49 PM >>Subject: [NYROCKLA-L] Bompey's Hook - where is it? >> >> >>>My ggg grandfather, according to family tradition, owned a quarry in the >>>Palisades. Sure enough, in the 1893-1894 Yonkers directory, he is listed >>as >>>a stone dealer, Bompey's Hook. I cannot find this on any current map. >>Does >>>anyone know where this place might have been? Thanks, Karen Izzo >>> >>> >>> >>>==== NYROCKLA Mailing List ==== >>>If you enjoy NYROCKLA-L, please go to >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >>>and become a RootsWeb supporter. Also, be sure to >>>visit the Rockland Co. NY GenWeb page at >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrockla/ >>> >> >> >

Chris, I have a copy of a MANN Genealogy - The descendants of David MANN from Seitzen, Wurtenburg, Germany. The lived mostly in Palisades, Rockland Co, NY. Unfortunately, there is no Samuel listed and no DeGROAT marriages. Bob Protzmann

I looked for Bompey's Hook on the USGS on-line gazetyeer and found no entry. I also cannot find any such place on my maps. I suspect the name is now archaic with either the location having disappeared as a name altogether or having been replaced by something more modern. Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania

My ggg grandfather, according to family tradition, owned a quarry in the Palisades. Sure enough, in the 1893-1894 Yonkers directory, he is listed as a stone dealer, Bompey's Hook. I cannot find this on any current map. Does anyone know where this place might have been? Thanks, Karen Izzo

Hi, I would appreciate anything anyone can add to the following line. (Especailly information on a Mary Odell.) Please excuse the date and place descrepancies. Some of this information was pulled from Civil War pension records, some from death certificates, obituaries and grave markers. The Civil War pension records consisted of forms filled out at different times with the dates and places changing each time. James C. Lewis, b. 9/3/1840/1 Walden?/Lake George?/Lexom Plains?/, Orange Co., NY d. 01/01/1919 (Newburgh,NY) (buried Pleasant Hill Cemetery, Mountainville) James C. Lewis was the son of John Lewis and Mary Martin. m1. Mary Eliza Odell (d. 3/25/1871 or 03/12/1874) married about one year before death. m2. Anna Johnson (3/15/1850-5/1/1903) birthplace Johnsontown, NY (daughter of Daniel David Johnson and Eliza Hill.) Marriage at Sloatsburgh, Rockland Co., NY 03/25/1872 at the M. E. Church (or 03/12/1875) d. 05/01/1903 (Died at Firthcliff, NY??) (buried Pleasant Hill Cemetery, Mountainville) (Had sister = Loretta) James and Anna are buried in Pleasant Hill Cemetery in Mountainville, NY and Loretta may also be buried there. (I wonder if her husband died in WWI.) children: Anna/Hannah 10/21/1873 - d. before 04/03/1915 My ggf ==> Henry 10/27/1871/1873?-04/23/1969 (Newburgh, NY) m. ~3/1900 Anna Marie Fundin (from Sweden) who died in 1920 in Cornwall, NY) William 05/02/1875-02/22/1957 George 09/14/1880 (Garrison, NY) - 09/18/1954 (Cornwall, NY) Loretta 04/24/1885 - 01/12/1975 (Mrs. John J. McDonald) Recently, I received information on the Anna Johnson's family (names of her paternal grandparents and g-grandparents). But given the date descrepancies for the death of Mary Odell, I can't tell who Henry's mother was or if he may have had a twin sister born 10/21 or 27/1873. Thank you, Lee Blauvelt Lockbourne, OH

Hello Looking for information about the Old Dye Factory the was on Rail Road Ave. going into Haverstraw. Does anyone know if the employees names or other paperwork was kept somewhere after it was no longer in operation ? Thanks Debi int1412@setarnet.aw aw

Hello, I have recently received the following information on my gg-grandmother Anna JOHNSON. Does anyone have any additional information on any of the following families? LEWIS, James C. b. 09/03/1840 (Walden,NY) m. d. 01/01/1919 (Newburgh,NY) (buried Pleasant Hill Cemetery, Mountainville) JOHNSON, Anna b. 03/15/1850 m. d. 05/01/1903 (buried Pleasant Hill Cemetery, Mountainville) (Had sister = Loretta) JOHNSON, Daniel David b. ??/??/1818 m. d. HILL, Eliza b. ??/??/???? m. d. JOHNSON, David J. b. 21 Sept.1786 in Johnsontown, NY d. 21Nov. 1848 CONKLIN, Sarah. b. m. d. JOHNSON, James b. ??/??/1764/5? (Johnsontown) m. d.??/??/1835 SECOR, Hester b. m. d. ??/??/1831 JOHNSON, James J. b. m. d. (brothers = Erastus and Guilbert) ????, Deborah b. m. d. Thank you. Lee Blauvelt Lockbourne, OH

Sally, Did you get your answer? I've been behind in my Mail. Here's your line, from my files: A. John WALDRON/WALDERNE, b. ca. 1560, ENGLAND; d. Aug -Sep, 1609, Wherwell, Hampshire; m. < Nov 4, 1584, Joan _______, (d. Feb - Mar 1610/11, Wherwell, Hampshire, ENGLAND). Lived Clatford Goodworth, Hampshire, then Wherwell, Hampshire, ENGLAND. Clothworker. A4. William WALDRON, bp. Sep 20, 1589, Goodworth Clatford, Hampshire, ENGLAND; d. < 1639; m. int. Aug 29, 1615, Amsterdam, NETHERLANDS, Ruth WALKER (d. < 1639), dau of Edward Walker. Left England, ca. 1611. Clothworker, Amsterdam. Lace worker. ??? m2. May 8, 1616, Amsterdam, NETHERLANDS, Claesje LAMBERTS, (b. ca. 1597/8, Wolvega, Provence of Friesland, NETHERLANDS). A42. (1130.) Resolved WALDRON, b. ca. 1620 (May 10, 1616), Amsterdam, NETHERLANDS; d. 1690 - May 17, 1690(i); m1. int Jul 29, Aug 20, 1645, Diemen, NETHERLANDS, Rebecca HENDRICKS, (bp. Nov 5, 1623, Nieuw Kerk, Amsterdam, NETHERLANDS; d. 1652 - Apr 23, 1654), sis of Aeltje (above); m2. int Apr 23, 1654, May 10, 1654, Nieuw Kerk, Amsterdam, Tanneke Nagels (b. ca. 1624, d. > Nov 25, 1690), dau of Barent Nagel. IMMIGRANT - 1654-5, with w2. May 3, 1657, burgher, New Amsterdam. May 25, 1658, Provoost and Deputy Sheriff. Sep 23, 1659, went to MD. Moved to Harlem, NY. Magistrate, Harlem, 1673. Patentee of Harlem, 1686. A425. Barent WALDRON, bp. presumably Feb 30 (sic) 1659, NADRC (sp. Nicasius and Walbrug de Sylle); m. Sep 25, 1687,Harlem, (NYDRC), Jannetje Jans Mynderts, dau of John Mynderts. A4255. Cataharine/Catharina WALDRON, bp. May 25, 1698; m. May 18, 1728, NYDRC, Jan/John Forshay, (bp. Mar 25, 1706, Tarrytown DRC; d. 1782/3); son of Pierre Foshay (b. France) and Abigail DuPuy. Bob Protzmann

Carolyn, There are copies of many of the manuscripts in the BUDKE Collection, in the New City, Rockland Co, NY Library. They are mostly copies of typescripts. I don't think that copies are available. It has been impossible for the New City Library to obtain copies of some of the volumes from the New York Public Library, which is the owner of the orignals, purchased from BUDKE (or his estate). Bob Protzmann

Donna, The article, "The FORSHAY Family of Philipse Manor" (RECORD Vol 118, #2, Apr 1987) suggests that Jan (Jean) and Pieter (Pierre) were the two immigrants. Jan shows up in the church register of the Old Dutch Church (the Manor Church, Sleepy Hollow) in 1697. I can send you a copy of the article, if you want it. Bob

Hi, like Donna I'm struggling to make sense of what Riker has written. Frankly, I think he' has mixed up two different men named PETER BUSH. PETER BUSH, son of HENRY BUSH and RACHEL DEGRAW of Rockland Co, married two sisters, MARY SMITH and when she died in 1816, ABIGAIL SMITH. With these 2 wives, he had my great grandmother, ARMINDA BUSH and a bunch of other children who I will list if anyone is interested. Are there any SMITH researchers out there who can add to this? Sandy