Boson Transcript Genealogy column Mar 3, 1932 had the following query: (3193) 1. BUCK Israel Buck of Amenta, NY, Rev War, Dutchess Co Militia: Irrael Buck, Jr. 2. WILLIAMS Wm Williams of NYC. B 1747 d. Poughkeepsie 1817? W Catherine ___Ch: John, lawyer of NYC d 1806 and Catherine m Zephaniah Pells. 3. COLE, SMITH, CARPENTER. "Who were the parents of RUTH COE who married JOHN CARPENTER of Jamaica, N.Y>? She was born about 1685 and died in 1759. They moved to Goshen, N.Y>, where RUTH (COE) CARPENTER married, second, a Mr. Thurston. Who were the parents of Hannah Smith, who married (as his second wife) MOSES CARPENTER of Goshen N.Y.? She died in 1829. Their children were Elizabeth Wilson, Joanna Reed, Susannah Redmond and Abigail Munro. 4. HATCH Mary__ wife of William Hatch of Scituate, MA, bap. Scituate April 29, 1660 5. BOYD, MURDOCK. Who were the parents of Annie boyde d Norwich VT 1791, she m Robert Murdock of Simsbury, Conn. 6. BUELL, SPENCER, GRISWOLD…Wm Buell of dorchester, MA and Windsor, Conn m Mary Thomas. Wm Spencer of Cambridge, MA and Hartford Conn, Agnes Heane or Agnes Pratt. Then signed E. C. W. R. I am trying to find out who might have written this query. Based on my research on all materials that I have seen I have observations/comments: 1. I believe this is the first time I have seen a date of death for RUTH COE. 2. It seems to me that this must have been written by a descendant of Moses Carpenter's second wife, HANNAH SMITH because: The obvious: this person was looking for HER ancestors and also because we know that the named ELIZABETH Carpenter married a WISNER, not a WILSON, (thus showing a lack of re. the first wife's line of descent.) 3. Cole is the only other name that I recognized! I know that a descendant of Moses and his first wife, Elizabeth Runyon had a grandaughter Laura MELVIN who married a Cole, but do not know if this could be the same Cole family mentioned above. 4. The Munro spelling is correct, Reed has been recorded as Reid also, and Redmond is reported as Redman and Redmon. I sure would appreciate any help with this. Who wrote this query????? Please it on if you have access to others or other lists that might be able to help. Thank you, Phoebe

Barb, Did I send you this before? Note that there were two Maj John SMITHs in this family, and they are frequently confused. AA531. Lambert AURYANSE/ADRIAENSE SMITH, bp. Oct 14, 1712, TDRC; d. Mar 1764. Inh farm at Upper Nyack. AA531.x. Arie SMITH. Inh farm, with bro. Served in the American Revolution. AA531.y. Maj John L. SMITH. Inh farm, with bro. Served in the American Revolution. I don't have his children or any further information. Bob

At 11:59 AM 11/28/99 -0500, Carol Gilbert <Gilbertce@msn.com> wrote: >I am going to be in Nyack briefly on Tuesday and would like to see if I can >locate my GGrandfather's immigration papers....he arrived in the states in >1866. Is it possible that I might find them in New City at the County >office?... I'm not sure what you mean by "immigration papers". If you mean ship passenger arrival lists, they are on National Archives microfilm, available at any National Archives branch or on interlibrary loan through any Family History Center. However, for New York those lists are only indexed from 1820-1846 and 1897-1943. If you mean Rockland Co. naturalization papers, the Family History Library catalog entry is http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails& subject=341909&subject_disp=New_York,_Rockland_-_Naturalization_and_citizens hip&columns=*,180,0 For convenience I have added a "Family History Library Catalog" link to http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrockla/rclinks.htm which will take you directly to the top-level Rockland Co. section of the catalog. Also, I am working with RootsWeb and Peter Scheibner, Rockland Co. Archivist, to put up a database of approx. 25,000 Declarations of Intention for search on the Internet. That would give you a date, record identifier, and (in most cases) country of origin. You would still need to go to either the LDS film or the County Archivist for a copy of the actual record. I expect that it will be several weeks or months before that database is available, since some overworked RootsWeb staffers are working on it. I will announce it to this list when it is online. --Bruce (Bruce Hamilton, Redondo Beach, CA) bhami@netcom.com http://home.earthlink.net/~bhami/

How would I access records for the Holt and the Dutcher funeral homes for the early part of this century?

Are interment lists available from Mount Repose? I have been able to obtain interment lists for family plots from other cemeteries by providing the name of one person in the plot and the date of death. Who would I contact for similar information from Mount Repose in Haverstraw?

I am going to be in Nyack briefly on Tuesday and would like to see if I can locate my GGrandfather's immigration papers....he arrived in the states in 1866. Is it possible that I might find them in New City at the County office? Thank you for your help. Carol Gilbertce@msn.com

Looking for anyone who may have access to the History of Orange County, Ruttenber and Clark. On Page 16 it lists ownners of plots followed by a fold out map of the patent. My ancestor Conrad Waible/wible (spelling varied) purchased a farm from a Joshua Martin in 1786. The land was believed to have been originally in Orange County but ended up in Rockland County when the latter was formed. Any one who can help will be greatly appreciated. Dave Wyble Sr.

FYI I found the info I needed on Abraham Smith and Elizabeth Eckerson. My questions were all answered in the Blauvelt Family Genealogy #7-5569a [Vol 2:255] I found the parents of Abraham Smith, marriage reference and a list of their children. Thanks to all who replied to my query. Ethel

Thanks Pat for filling in a lot of blanks on the Sidman family. Your information is always in an easy to read format AND you include a list of sources. We should all take a lesson from you. ethel

Here's what I have on Samuel Sidman and his family: Samuel Sidman m. (banns: 8 May 1746 Acquackanonk Ref Ch), Angonietje Van Deursen (Agnitie), dau. of Isaac Van Deursen & (2) Elizabeth Rooseboom. Samuel Sidman was b. Newark, NJ Angonietje Van Deursen was b. Ramapo, NJ/NY In the record of their marriage intentions at Acquackanonk Ref Ch, they were "Samm'l Sidmon, j.m., b. Neworck, living there, and Angnitje V. Deusen, j.d., b. Rempogh, living there." ---children of Samuel Sidman & Angonietje * Isaak Cidman, b. 6 Oct 1748; bp. 20 Nov 1748 Second River RefCh (Belleville) (wit: Isaak Van Deuse; Elisabeth Van Deuse) * Lisabeth Sedman, bp. 11 Nov 1750 Paramus Ref Ch (wit: Isaak I. and Lisabeth Van Deuse) * Marytje Sidman, b. 4 Feb, bp. 7 Mar 1756 Paramus Ref Ch (wit: Benjamin and Wybrech Demare) * Angonietje Sidman, bp. 30 Mar 1760 Paramus Ref Ch (wit: Willem and Catrina Syourt) * John Sidman, bp. 15 Apr 1764 Paramus Ref Ch (wit: Gerrit J. and Elsje Hoppe); d. 11 March 1843 Ramapo; m. Rachel Frederick. * (poss) Samuel Sidman, b. about 1766 ---Sources: Randolph, Howard S. F., and Russell Bruce Rankin, Paramus...Reformed Dutch Church Baptisms...Together with Records from the Gravestones..., 1935; "Baptismal Register of Second River (Belleville) Dutch Reformed Church, 1727-1794" in Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Apr 1928, p. 158 According to Bob Protzmann, the Sidman family in America originated with Lt George Sydenham, who came from England with the British Army during the 1600s. There is a genealogy in the New City Library, NY, titled SIDMAN-SIDNAM FAMILIES of Upstate New York, by Evelyn Sidman Wachter, Gateway Press, Inc, Baltimore, MD, 1981. This is not my own family; I just happen to have some info. I have a few more Sidman families in my file, but for the most part I can't connect them. Pat Pat Wardell in Englewood, FL wardell@exit33.com

Does any one know anything about this family, ancestors or descendants? Any help would be appreciated! George MacLean Ottawa, Canada Descendants of Samuel Sidman Generation No. 1 1. SAMUEL2 SIDMAN (UNKNOWN1) was born Abt. 1750. He married ANGONEITJE VAN DEUSEN. She was born Abt. 1750. Children of SAMUEL SIDMAN and ANGONEITJE VAN DEUSEN are: i. ANGONIETJE3 SIDMAN, b. March 1760, Paramus, Bergen County, New Jersey. More About ANGONIETJE SIDMAN: Christening: March 30, 1760, Reformed Church, Paramus, Bergen County, New Jersey ii. JOHN SIDMAN, b. March 14, 1764, Precinct of Haverstraw, New York State, USA; d. March 11, 1843, Ramapo, Rockland County, New York State, USA; m. RACHEL FREDERICK; b. Abt. 1761, Ramapough, New Jersey, USA; d. June 20, 1849, Ramapo, New York State, USA. More About JOHN SIDMAN: Baptism: April 15, 1764, Paramus, New Jersey, Dutch Reform Church, with sponsors J. Gerrit and Elsje Hoppe. Burial: Ramapo, New York State, Presbyterian Church Cemetery More About RACHEL FREDERICK: Burial: Ramapo, New York State, Presbyterian Church Cemetery iii. SAMUEL SIDMAN, b. Abt. 1766.

This is addressed to the listers who live in New York. In recent days there has been a litany of complaints on the Westchester list about the costs and poor service provided by the State Archives in Albany. Over the past several months there have been similar complaints on the other NY lists to which I belong about the Albany, New York City and Brooklyn agencies. What those of us who do not live in New York do not understand is why do you who live there put up with this poor treatment from employees and agencies of your state and local government. You certainly pay some of the highest taxes in the country. Genealogists and family historians make up a large and rapidly growing contituency in every state. Some states (Colorado for instance) have developed expedited premium service that has been a new revenue stream for the state. In January a new session of the legislature will be meeting in Albany. If the several dozen genealogy societies in the state would start a letter writing campaign, pressure would be applied to the bureaucrats who run these agencies. Rootsweb listers from all over the US could provide you with very specific examples of the truly poor service that the these agencies provide. It's time that you are heard by those who can change the situation not just the sympathetic genealogy buffs on Rootsweb. Walt Jones Spokane WA

>From the Ackerson/Eckerson Family in America Genealogy #6-292 THOMAS ECKERSON, son of Jan Eckerson [5-155] and Geertruyt Vanderbilt, was born 24 October, baptized 8 November 1772 at Clarkstown. [#1684] Thomas married Jannetje Van Orden on 18 July 1802. Thomas died before 13 May 1815, when Jannetje married second, Jacob Johannes Vanderbilt at Tappan. Thomas' children are mentined in his father's will as the "two children of my son Thomas Eckerson deceased, to wit: Peter and Maria". Children of Thomas ECKERSON and Jannetje Van Orden: [bp Clarkstown] 7-331 Maria, b 7 Feb, bp 13 March 1803 [#2176] Wit: Jan Eckerson, Maria van der Bilt. Marr: Abram S. Smith on 4 Sept. 1819 7-332 Peter, b 11 March, bp 15 April 1805. [#2257] Wit: Petrus Van Orden, Annatje Van Orden. My questions. 1. I need a reference for their marriage on 18 July 1802. 2. Who are the parents of Abram S Smith. 3. Who are the children of Abram Smith and Maria Eckerson. 4. Who is Jannetje Van Orden? Please, no impossible to read charts without documentation. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: [NYROCKLA] Re: Abraham S. Smith/Maria Eckerson Date: 11/22/99 9:23:13 PM Eastern Standard Time From: marvak@yahoo.com (MJ kaste) To: NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com >From an LDS ancestral file,I have Maria Eckerson,b. 1803,d/o Thomas Jansze Eckerson(b.1772;d.abt 1810) and Jannaetje Van Orden(1780) married Abraham Smith(b. 1795) Corrections appreciated. M J Kaste

Earlier this year, Sandy VanBenschoten was kind enough to send me an e-mail noting the following information from the Saddle River Lutheran Church: Marriages - Rev. Jacob C. Duy: June 5, 1847 - David W. Clark to Sarah Ackerman of New Prospect Sept. 25, 1847 - Eduard (sic) Clark of Ramapo to Catharine Ackerman Baptisms: Ezra b August 1, 1820 bp March 25, 1821, parents - Ezra L. and Rachel (no maiden name) Edward b May 19, 1822 bp Nov. 24, 1822 parents - Ezra Clark and Rachel I have reason to believe that Ezra Clark is my ancestor and wonder if anyone from the Ackerman line has additional information on any of these Clarks. (According to the Kakiat Patent, Rachel's last name is Eckerson.) Specifically, is David a brother of Ezra and Edward? Did Rachel and Ezra L. have other children? Who were they? Did they live in Bergen or Rockland County? Who were Ezra L.'s parents? Any help is immensely appreciated. Carol Kaufman Researching: CLARK/CHRISTIE in Bergen and Rockland Counties

>From the Ackerson/Eckerson Family in America Genealogy #6-292 THOMAS ECKERSON, son of Jan Eckerson [5-155] and Geertruyt Vanderbilt, was born 24 October, baptized 8 November 1772 at Clarkstown. [#1684] Thomas married Jannetje Van Orden on 18 July 1802. Thomas died before 13 May 1815, when Jannetje married second, Jacob Johannes Vanderbilt at Tappan. Thomas' children are mentined in his father's will as the "two children of my son Thomas Eckerson deceased, to wit: Peter and Maria". Children of Thomas ECKERSON and Jannetje Van Orden: [bp Clarkstown] 7-331 Maria, b 7 Feb, bp 13 March 1803 [#2176] Wit: Jan Eckerson, Maria van der Bilt. Marr: Abram S. Smith on 4 Sept. 1819 7-332 Peter, b 11 March, bp 15 April 1805. [#2257] Wit: Petrus Van Orden, Annatje Van Orden. My questions. 1. I need a reference for their marriage on 18 July 1802. 2. Who are the parents of Abram S Smith. 3. Who are the children of Abram Smith and Maria Eckerson. 4. Who is Jannetje Van Orden? Please, no impossible to read charts without documentation. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: [NYROCKLA] Re: Abraham S. Smith/Maria Eckerson Date: 11/22/99 9:23:13 PM Eastern Standard Time From: marvak@yahoo.com (MJ kaste) To: NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com >From an LDS ancestral file,I have Maria Eckerson,b. 1803,d/o Thomas Jansze Eckerson(b.1772;d.abt 1810) and Jannaetje Van Orden(1780) married Abraham Smith(b. 1795) Corrections appreciated. M J Kaste

>From the Ackerson/Eckerson Family in America Genealogy #6-292 THOMAS ECKERSON, son of Jan Eckerson [5-155] and Geertruyt Vanderbilt, was born 24 October, baptized 8 November 1772 at Clarkstown. [#1684] Thomas married Jannetje Van Orden on 18 July 1802. Thomas died before 13 May 1815, when Jannetje married second, Jacob Johannes Vanderbilt at Tappan. Thomas' children are mentined in his father's will as the "two children of my son Thomas Eckerson deceased, to wit: Peter and Maria". Children of Thomas ECKERSON and Jannetje Van Orden: [bp Clarkstown] 7-331 Maria, b 7 Feb, bp 13 March 1803 [#2176] Wit: Jan Eckerson, Maria van der Bilt. Marr: Abram S. Smith on 4 Sept. 1819 7-332 Peter, b 11 March, bp 15 April 1805. [#2257] Wit: Petrus Van Orden, Annatje Van Orden. My questions. 1. I need a reference for their marriage on 18 July 1802. 2. Who are the parents of Abram S Smith. 3. Who are the children of Abram Smith and Maria Eckerson. 4. Who is Jannetje Van Orden? Please, no impossible to read charts without documentation. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: [NYROCKLA] Re: Abraham S. Smith/Maria Eckerson Date: 11/22/99 9:23:13 PM Eastern Standard Time From: marvak@yahoo.com (MJ kaste) To: NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com >From an LDS ancestral file,I have Maria Eckerson,b. 1803,d/o Thomas Jansze Eckerson(b.1772;d.abt 1810) and Jannaetje Van Orden(1780) married Abraham Smith(b. 1795) Corrections appreciated. M J Kaste

>From an LDS ancestral file,I have Maria Eckerson,b. 1803,d/o Thomas Jansze Eckerson(b.1772;d.abt 1810) and Jannaetje Van Orden(1780) married Abraham Smith(b. 1795) Corrections appreciated. M J Kaste __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Chris, There is a MANN family in the region of Palisades, Rockland Co, NY. stemming from the a German, David MANN and his son, George MANN. Their line is detailed over several generations in a Mann Family Genealogy in the Palisades Library, of which I have a copy. David MANN also had sons Mathias (b. 1741), David (b. 1744), Michael (b. 1745) and Conrad (b. 1750). They are not carried forward. David MANN d.in Seitzen, Germany, and his son George was born there in 1735, and d. 1806 (presumeably in NY). George had sons, David (b. 1768) (10 children b. 1789 - 1807) and George (b. 1771) (6 children b. 1798 - 1822). Could your lines be descended from one of the brothers of the elder George? Bob Protzmann

I have done a bit of research on the Wisners. I am descended from Johannes' son Kendrick. I have found our common ancestor's will in the NY wills listed as follows. 004:006 CD numbers; Liber 13.6 Page 221. " In the name of God, Amen. I, Johnnes Welsner, of Florida, in Goshen, in Orange County, yeoman, this July 6, 1733. I leave to my eldest son, Kendrick, pounds 30. I leave to my son, Adam, my dwelling-house and land I now live upon, with all buildings; and he is to pay my son Kendrick the 30 pounds above mentioned. I leave to my youngest daughter, Mary, now living with me, 140 acres of land,which I purchased of Barent Bloome, June 7, 1732, situate in Ornage County near Goshen, as by deed. After payment of debts, I leave to my three daughters, Keturah, wife of Thomas Blain, Ann, wife of Philip King, and Mary, all the rest of my personal estate. If my dear and loving wife, Elizabeth, should survive me, sheis to have use of all my estate, and not division is tobe made during her life. I make my wife Elizabeth, and my good and trusty friends Michael Dunning, and Daniel Denton, both of Goshen, executors. Witnesses, John Smith, Joseph Sutherland, Josiah Keeder. Proved in New York, May 19, 1744. Phoebe in CA Searching: Moses Carpenter, Ruth Coe, Mary Thompson, Marah McDowell NY: LI: Coe, Carpenter Or Co. Carpenter, Coe, ? Gale, Jayne, McDowell, Thompson, Wisner, Woodhull Onondaga Co. Carpenter, Wisner Ontario Co. Melvin, Leland Chautaqua Co. Melvin, Wisner, NJ: Mo Co. Coe, Runyon, Halstead connections?

I am trying to find the birth parents of my grandfather John SMITH. He may have come from the Arie SMITH (Lambert ARIAENSEN) line. I have the Arie Smith line, but it only goes back to 1687. Can anyone on the list go back another generation?Descendants of John Smith, Sr. 1 John Smith, Sr. 1738 - 1761 . +Anna .... 2 Edward Smith, Sr. 1738 - 1806 ........ +Eve - 1806 .... 2 John Smith, Jr.