Does anyone know anything about the town of SLOATSVILLE? I have a SLOAT ancestor and it has been suggested her family may have been associated with this town. Any info greatly appreciated! Diane ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ ********** ~ CHECK OUR QUERY GENEALOGY FAMILY PAGE - www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

I am searching for the ERICKSON family who lived in Doodletown around 1910. I was wondering if there is any local, state census for that area in that year. Or can someone check the 1900 census for the TERICKSON family in this area. The parents were Neta and Nicholas Erickson and children were Ethel, Walter, Arthur, Nettie and Lillina born in 1910. The other children were older and may show up on census if the parents are there. Thanks so much Cindy NYROCKLA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > NYROCKLA-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 24 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [NYROCKLA] Henry Aubin Southfield ["kevin and rika" <kevrik@shaka.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NYROCKLA-D, send a message to > > NYROCKLA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYROCKLA] Henry Aubin Southfield 1870 > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:02:48 -1000 > From: "kevin and rika" <kevrik@shaka.com> > To: NYROCKLA-L@rootsweb.com > > Would anyone have access to a Census for 1870? I would like to see if Henry > Aubin on page 300 in Southfield is an ancestor. I would hope he might have a > son named Leonide , or a version thereof.Any assistance would be greatly > appreciated. Mahalo , Kevin

Searching for information on these surnames, particularly pre 1850. May have migrated from Canada. WYNYALL believed to have association with early automobile industry. Help or direction appreciated. Marj in NC

Would anyone have access to a Census for 1870? I would like to see if Henry Aubin on page 300 in Southfield is an ancestor. I would hope he might have a son named Leonide , or a version thereof.Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Mahalo , Kevin

Ted, You wrote: >Looking for an Albert Quidor and an Anna VonDiesendorf/VonDevendorf (or >something like that), who married in Rockland Co.--probably in 1840s. Any >clues to either family would be appreciated. >Ted Cale Albert is a child in this family: George M. Quidor, son of George Quidor & Elizabeth Marsh, m. 21 Feb 1818 Tappan Ref Ch, Margaret Cooper (Peggy) George M. Quidor was b. 22 Jan 1789; d. 21 Oct 1870; buried Palisades Cemetery, Palisades, NY Margaret Cooper was b. 22 Dec 1798; d. 11 Mar 1872; buried Palisades Cemetery, Palisades, NY George Quidore, 60, farmer, and Margaret, 51, were listed in the 1850 Federal Census, living in Orangetown, Rockland County, NY. Listed with them were: Henry, 27, boatman; Joseph, 25, engineer, RR; Albert, 23, boatman; Nathan, 21, boatman; Sarah E., 18; Warren, 15, farmer; Edward, 12; and Mary, 10. ---children of George M. Quidor & Margaret Cooper: * George Quidor, b. Sept 1819 (29 Jan 1819, bp. record); bp. 9 March 1819 Tappan Ref Ch (no wit); d. 5 July 1841 (drowned in the Hudson). * Henry Lucas Quidor, b. 24 Feb 1823 NY; bp. 13 June 1823 Tappan Ref Ch (no wit); m. Maria Smith, widow of M. Hines. * Joseph Marsch Quidor, b. 7 Feb 1825 NY; bp. 27 April 1825 Tappan Ref Ch (no wit); d. 25 June 1882; m. 30 May 1851 Mary Woolsey. * Albert Quidor, b. March 1827 NY; bp. 30 Sep 1827 Tappan Ref Ch (no wit); d. 5 April 1901; m. Abigail Ann Deefendorf. * Nathan Kellog Quidor, b. June 1829 NY; d. July 1890 * Sarah E. Quidor, b. 11 Oct 1831 NY; d. 19 Dec 1878 (1879?); m. Garret Briggs. * Warren Quidor, b. 2 July 1835 NY; d. 13 July 1900; m. 3 Aug 1857 Lydia Lefferts. A son of theirs, Frank L. Quidor, d. 15 April 1883, aged 24 yrs, 28 days, and is buried art Palisades, NY Cemetery. * Edward Quidor, b. 2 Jan 1838 NY; m. 26 May 1863 Eliza Beatty. * Mary Quidor, b. 20 July 1840 NY; m. 8 Aug 1858 Jacob A. Post. ---Sources: M. Montgomery Maze, Tombsone Inscriptions, Old Palisades Cemetery, Palisades, NY (Rock. Co. Hist. Soc.); 1850 Federal Census, New York, Rockland County, Orangetown, taken July-Aug 1850, dwelling 280, family 338 (family of George Quidor); "Betrothals and Marriages of the Dutch Reformed Church of Tappan, Rockland County, NY" in The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, serialized, beginning in issue Vol. LXXXIV, No. 3 (July 1953); Gilman, Winthrop S., Local History, notebook/scrapbook reproduced 1997 by the Palisades [NY] Free Library, and the Palisades Historical Committee, p. 117-118; Kelly, Arthur C. M., Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County, NY, 1694-1899, Kinship, 1998; Pat Pat Wardell in Englewood, FL wardell@exit33.com

This project has now been extended to October 2000 for submissions. Review your charts and make a submission to this worthwhile project! If your not into genealogy but have information that can be sent to the author of this project, please do so in the format specified below. Don't forget to include your SOURCES of information and your name, address & e-mail address as the submitter. PASS THIS MESSAGE TO OTHERS. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ -------------------------- As you know, 99% of the 1890 census was destroyed by fire. There is a project to publish a book listing all U.S. residents living at that time. This information will be furnished by descendants of those people. There is no charge for listing your ancestors and when permission is granted, contributors will be listed with the proper reference to their ancestor entries. Submission deadline is April 2000. The data will be published and sold at cost with copies going to the Library of Congress, Maine State Library, Maine State Historical Society and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Library. For submitting your ancestor's vital stats please use the following format: Head of Household-full name, age, date of birth, place of birth (include town-county-state), sex, race (W=white, C=colored, I=Indian, A=Asian). Spouse-full name, maiden name in ( )'s, age, date of birth, sex, race. Information source-list family Bible, family genealogy book, etc. Notes are optional. Some notes will be added, e.g., 1st or 2nd wife, children by which wife, if they died or got married in 1890 or additional surname spellings. NOTE: person who died before 1890 or was born after 1890 will be omitted from the book. Send your submission via Email to:<chinaDoll2@netscape.net> or mail to Agnela M. Foster, P.O.Box 2551, Waterville, ME 04903. Contributions are most welcome. To see how the project is coming along please visit: http://sites.netscape.net/chinadoll2/1890census -- Laura Brody, Publisher of the "filePro Developer's Journal" +------------- Hudson Valley Computer Associates, Inc ----------+ | PO Box 859 120 Sixth Street http://www.hvcomputer.com | | Verplanck, NY 10596-0859 Voice mail: (914) 739-5004 | +------ PC repair locally, filePro programming globally --------+ ==== NYDUTCHE Mailing List ==== This NYDUTCHE list is currently available for adoption! Interested in becoming the list manager? Go here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/clusters/adoptcounty.html ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Theressa Thank you for your quick and helpful response. As usual, in this world of go go go, I find myself in awe at the friendliness and willingness-to-help that is found within these genealogical circles. Ya'll are great. Thanks. Gary James -- Oklahoma pentaby@alltel.net ---------- > From: tmhg <tmhg@gateway.net> > To: Gary James <pentaby@alltel.net> > Subject: Re: [NYROCKLA] SEAMANS > Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:21 AM > > Try Long Island, NY. Many Seamans came from there. Good Luck! Theressa > > Gary James wrote: > > > > Hi! > > My name is Gary James and I am seeking any info I can find on a > > Hiram/Hirum B. Seamans/Seamons. Can someone help me please. > > > > I have been in the process of exploring all sources and tips I come across > > to find information on this person and a kind lady mentioned that she had > > seen the Seamans name mentioned in this forum. > > > > What I know (or don't know): > > > > Hiram Seamans, it is estimated, was born abt. 1829 in NY (he was 32 when he > > was mustered into service in 1861). > > > > His granddaughter said during an interview that she thought he was from > > around Elmira, NY (He was in the 26th Inf during the Civil War that was > > mustered in in Elmira, but the names of Orange(?) and Hurley(?) are > > mentioned as well). > > > > .... , that she thought he was a blacksmith in the Civil War and that > > he had a brother named William. --- I'm afraid that is about all we know > > about this man's early life. > > > > Apparently, somewhere between 1865 and 1878 he, and/or his family, migrated > > to Fayette Co., IA, as he married a Katherine Siglin on 18 Apr 1878 in > > Fayette Co., IA. > > > > Thanks in advance for any assist. > > Gary James -- Oklahoma > > pentaby@alltel.net

Looking for an Albert Quidor and an Anna VonDiesendorf/VonDevendorf (or something like that), who married in Rockland Co.--probably in 1840s. Any clues to either family would be appreciated. Ted Cale

Hi! My name is Gary James and I am seeking any info I can find on a Hiram/Hirum B. Seamans/Seamons. Can someone help me please. I have been in the process of exploring all sources and tips I come across to find information on this person and a kind lady mentioned that she had seen the Seamans name mentioned in this forum. What I know (or don't know): Hiram Seamans, it is estimated, was born abt. 1829 in NY (he was 32 when he was mustered into service in 1861). His granddaughter said during an interview that she thought he was from around Elmira, NY (He was in the 26th Inf during the Civil War that was mustered in in Elmira, but the names of Orange(?) and Hurley(?) are mentioned as well). .... , that she thought he was a blacksmith in the Civil War and that he had a brother named William. --- I'm afraid that is about all we know about this man's early life. Apparently, somewhere between 1865 and 1878 he, and/or his family, migrated to Fayette Co., IA, as he married a Katherine Siglin on 18 Apr 1878 in Fayette Co., IA. Thanks in advance for any assist. Gary James -- Oklahoma pentaby@alltel.net

Does anyone know of a West Jones that Mary Amelia Hastings Married? She was born in Mt Ivy, 1869, Married West Jones, had two sons. She died in Ohio in 1924-26.

Would anyone have any information on Leon Aubin and his wife , Mary Louise Bouchard ? I believe they lived in Haverstraw about 1880 or so. They had a daughter , Angeline , born in 1883. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Mahalo , Kevin

Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, and delighted to find it exists. I'm trying to discover the origins of the name Chestnut Ridge, which seems to have belonged to Route 45 across the state line, in Bergen County, before it belonged to the village now so-called. Does anybody know the history of chestnut trees in the area, which ridge was the chestnut ridge, and when the expression first came into use? Many thanks, Terri

Looking for info on Doodletown around 1910. What was going on there and was there any hospital nearby. My grandmother was born in Doodletown in 1910 and trying to find more about this town, Cindy

Debbie, St Peters Cemetery is on Rt 9W, in Haverstraw, adjacent to Mt Repose. It is a fairly large cemetery, but one can see the entire cemetery from the highway. One could probably drive all the roads in about 15 minutes. Finding a tombstone or family plot would take more time, but it's probably worth a visit. Bob Protzmann

I want to thank everyone on the list that responded to my inquire about St. Peters Cemetery. I appreciate everyone's help. Debbie - SC

Hi list, Its been a while since I posted so I will try again. I am researching FAGAN's and HECKMAN's from Haverstraw, Stony Point, Grassy Point. I have finally received the death certificate of my gr gr grandmother from the Dept. of Vital Records in NY. Took only 7 months! I know now that my Fagan's are buried in St. Peters Cemetery in Haverstraw. I have wrote to St. Peters and received no reply from them. Has anyone had any experience with St. Peters in researching? Would it be best for me to call them? I will also be in CT in April and have thought about driving up to NY for the day. How big is St. Peters? Would I be looking for a needle in a haystack? Any help or recommendation would be appreciated. Thank you Debbie - South Carolina

The announcement below was on the Dutch Colonies list. I do not have this family, but know that some of you folks probably do. Phoebe http://w3.gorge.net/forest/THE%20BOOK-CHAPTER%201,%207-11.htm HISTORY OF THE KUYKENDALL FAMILY Since its Settlement in Dutch New York in 1646 BY--GEORGE BENSON KUYKENDALL, M. D. KILHAM STATIONERY & PRINTING CO. PORTLAND, OREGON 1919

We are updating "The Swartout Chronicles", its is high time we brought the Chronicles up to date so tracking them is a little easier for all of us. If you would like to contribute you lines, pictures, which are so desperatly needed, whatever you find that will help us make this a book to remember. Everyone gets credit, we will be all proud to stand up and take a bow when all is said and done. We can't do it with out your help! Time to stand up and be counted and be proud of this family line. For its Military discintion, for its political contributions, its lawyers and doctors, yes we're all that and more. Please help us to help each other show up one of Old forgotten families. Kathy Hoeldke hoeldke@hurontario.net

Dear Folks, I earlier posted my extractions of Vol C and D to the Orange, Ulster, and Rockland Co. lists. It has occurred to me that so many Orange Co. folks went to Onondaga and Yates Co. that it might be helpful for folks trying to find their earlier origins. Please note, that I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the spelling of the names or places, for many reasons, including difficulty of reading and my unfamiliarity with same. The (m) means the deed was signed by mark. Any names listed as grantor, grantee, borders - neighbors, former owners, etc., plus witnesses and judges that I could read were included. Yate and Onondaga Co. folks please let me know if you would like to see Vol C and D. Phoebe Please note that there were many, many other deeds. My families were Carpenter, Wisner, Jayne, and Thompson. (gdeeds.)FILM 0828548 E and F E 36 May 1, 1781 Barnabus Horton, farmer, G. to Robert Griffiths, New Cornwall, bounds Wm Bull and Richard Gerrard estate of Thomas Everson, dec'd, lot conveyed by Anselem Helm to Isaac Tooker, Anselem Helm to Richard Dicke E 46 Elijah and William Carpenter witness for Jeams Wilkens to John Kronkyte (probably a type of power of attorney) E 79 1791 Joshua Taylor, Haverstraw, OR Co. to John Conklin, same place, Property located H tnshp, SE Lot 1 and 3, 15 lbs., 6 acres b N Joseph Allison, S mountains and land conveyed to Charles Mott, N public rd., Wit Samuel and Thornus Hey E 86 1791 Heirs of Anthony Yelverton G (Phebe, Margaret, Mariah, Anthony and John S. Moffat and w Mary; Joseph Denton and w Hannah and Phebe Yelverton, w of George Flemming, Esq. (Commissionsers said the land could not be divided and set value as one piece. located in G 36 acres of L 4, 29, 14, 8, 27 border by James Carpenter, Esq. and John S or L Hommedue ? E 130 Sept 20, 1792 Benjamin Thompson, Warwick to Abraham Westfall of Mamacolton, Ulster Co. and John Wisner Warwick 200L, Wit: James Hall and James Wisner Sig: Benjamin Thompson (m). E 137 Sept. 12, 1792 Benjamin Thompson of Warwick to John Wisner of Warwick and Abraham Westfall, Ulster Co. as Tenents in Common land previously owned by John Van Horn, 109 acres, 200 L, bounded Lot #4 George Wood, 3 Daniel Bailey George Wood and Daniel Baily, Wit: James Hall and James Wisner, Sig. Benjamin Thompson (M) James Hall appeared before the judge. E 144 9/26/1792 Benjamin Thompson of Warwick to Samuel Seeley of same. 350L, 109 acres Land in Warwick #4 prev conveyed to George Wood, Daniel Baily Wit: Richard Bayles and Bernard A. Blevis Signed by (M) Benjamin Thompson E 155 Wm W. Thompson, Esq., late high sheriff writ of testimanet Fieri Facias re Land of Samuel Clintock and Isaac Wynans, G. precint, Wm. Treadwell debt and damages, grantee Wm. Wynans 115 lbs 116 acres where Isaac Syans now live along land of James Sayre , land of John Thompson, and Isaac Jennings. Wit Joshua Seely and Wm Elmer E 168 Jesse Woodhull, sheriff Gale E 179 Heirs of Helen Rutgers: John and w Helena Rutgers of NY, Peter R Kissas, Wm. Grey and also Wm. Thompson and Mary of Goshen "in his own right" to Wm Gray, New Cornwall land Wa patent L 7 , 54 acres, Wit: John Carpenter Relief ____, ____Brunel ?, Vouch. E 180 May 1, 1792 Moses Carpenter, yeoman and W Hannah, Warwick to Joel and Nathaniel Wheeler, yeoman, Warwick. near Mt. Eve. previous ownership late John Wisner, deceased, (note: Capt. John Wisner, Sr.,) part of the estate of the said John Wisner, Wa Patent, b farm of Capt. John Wisner, deceased, standing in "Bog Meadow:, commonly called Lewsies ? farm. Wit: Absolon Townsend, Wm. Thompson(also the Judge) Sign Moses and Hannah Carpenter (m). recorded 4/19/93 (note: in body of deed, "mortgage which Moses Carpenter gave to Christian Morris, Jacob Morris, and Sally Morris, children of Mrs. Jane Everit, now due....Wheeler promised to pay") ??? how did Everets (or Morrises) get John Wisner Sr.'s property and where is deed from them to Moses Carpenter? E 183 1793 John M Scott to Wm Wisner 100 L .. near Warwick Meeting house James Mitchell, Chas Baily, Daniel Burk, also to make a buriel ground for Warwick; Wit: Samuel Smith, Wm. Thompson Sig____ E 203 1793 Commissioners divide land - original lot of Derrick Van der bergh lot # III and IV to Isaac Carpenter, V to John van Cleaf, II James and Asa Dotson, I Nathan Cooley E 231 David Johnson, Dutchess Co., gentleman to Thomas DeKay, farmer, a tract of land from the Duncan family division on road from G to Florida, Wa Pat called 800 acre tract, Wit: Timothy Dunning and David Fulton E 240 7/1/1792 Richard Harrison,esq and w Francie, NYC to Isaac Carpenter, farmer, Or Co., 80 lbs, 5th part, Wa Pat, John Bridges, Minisink, NE corner, Derrick van den Bergh, letter "IS" where Isaac Dolson now lives; Wit Wm Lupton Jr. Lon Lupton, Jr. E 268 Heirs of Resolved Van Horton, late of New Hemstead, Or. Co. property in New Hempstead, bordered Claus Van Horton, Danice Myer, Conrad Finkie, Jacob Archer, John Smith, School house lot. Heirs: Margaret w of Abraham Farvan, Jr., Mary w of Jacob Echonjon, Peter Von Horton, minor, Elizabeth Von Horton, minor, Helena w of John Von Horton: lots drawn by ballot. E 290 1794 John Van Horn, Summerset Co. NJ to John Wisner, Jr., Minisink, yeoman, 90 lbs, previous ownership John Bridges 1264/5 (I think) Wa Patent L 11; Wit Christian Thompson, Wm. Thompson; Sign John Van Horne (bonefide purchases of the state of N.J.) E 327 Thomas Marshall and w Sara of Minisink to Jothram Jean, New Cornwall, prop in Minisink, border Benjamins Youngs; Wit. Daniel Carpenter and Benjamin Youngs. (no date) E 413 Feb 2, 1791 Children of Helena Scott, late of NY m John R. Peter R. Kissam NYC, eldest son of, Benjamin Kissum, dec'd and Deborh NYC, Everet Banker NYC, Paul Lee and Wm Thompson and w Mary in his own right, 61 pounds, West side of Drowned lands in Minisink lot # 2, 1st West division of Wa pat. to John Chatwell, N Samuel Clark and John Ducker?; Wit John Carpenter, Relief Van Bount and Rich Vanch for John and Helen Myer, Peter R. Kissam and Deborah , Adrian Kissam and Everet Banker, and Wit: Christian Thompson and Alexander Wood for Wm. and Mary Thompson recorded 1795 E 498 Halstead Coe and w Abigail, Haverstraw to John J. Montange of NYC property in Haverstraw, 2200 L 467 acres, former Cherseasacks, bordered Jonus Brewster, Goetchurs and Blainvelt's land, map made by John Dymenens; Wit: Benjamin Coe and John Buskirk; Sign Halstead and Abigail Coe J Benj. Coe. F 10 1796 Estate of heirs of John Nicoll, property in Goshen, Minisink: Augustus Oakley line of Jersey claim, rep. Margaret Dubois, late deceased dau of Dr. J. Nicole, now in possession of James Sayre, Capt. John Low, John Nicol, Esq., late of New Winsor in Ulster Co.partitiion of lands Feb. 1793: 47 acres M. Dubois; 36 acres Wm. Nicoel (August Oakly and McKinne); 172 acres John Nicoll to John Sayre (Leonard D Nicholl, New Windsore, Ulster Co., Isaac Nichol, Bergen Co. J.N,David Southerland, Wm. Nichol of Great Britain F 45 1796 Augustus Griffsing, G to John Thompson and Catherin, w Wa pat, previous owner, Hudson, neighbers Phinehas Rumsey, Wit John Stewart and Sally Stewart, Sig. John and Catherine Thompson. F 54 1798 Carmen Carpenter and w Mary, G to David Case, G 500 L , 48 acres previous Capt. Christopher Denn, borders NE Abjah Wells/David Case, Wm Wells land formerly Peter Clows, Elyood Tryons Wit: Johsha Brown ___ and John Wells; Sign Carmen Carpenter and Mary Carpenter rec. 1796 F 66 Daniel Carpenter of Minisink and w. Amy to Jesse Carpenter Walkill Ulster Co. NY property in Minisink OR co Lot 2, "out of right of Cornelius Christance" 880 acreas borders Timothy Wood; Wit John Green and Jacob Smith Sign: Daniel and Amy Carpenter F 109 July 4, 1790 Wm. Wickham, Esq., G to Solomon Carpenter of Warwick, 303 lbs. in Warwick formerly part of G. precint, original site of Lancaster Symes, orign. right of John Bridges, 119 acres, Wit Jas. W Within and Thomas Wickham F 206 1784 recorded 1797 Soloman Carpenter prec. G, yeo to Benjamin Carpenter aforesaid, yeoman, in W division of Goshen township already in his possession by virture of a bargain, bordered Isreal Wells and Michael Carpenter, along new road; Wit: Hannah Carpenter and Michael Carpenter; Sign Soloman Carpenter F 208 1791 Anthony Carpenter and w. Mary, G. to James Carpenter, merchant, located G home lot #31, property where Anthony now lives 560 L, 80 acres; Wit: Benjamin Carpenter and Alexander Murry; Sign Anthony Carpenter and Mary Carpenter F 211 May 22, 1796 1798 Michael Carpenter and w Dolly G, yeoman to James Carpenter, same, merchant in G, 50 L, "all our undivided share: part of homestead formerly belonging to Soloman Carpenter, deceased, SW side of road leading to Wisner's Mills Wit: Samuel Vail and Moses Keeler Sign: Michael and Dolly Carpenter F 216 June 28, 1796 Enos Case and w Ann G town, farmer to James Carpenter, G, merchant, 66 lbs., tract located by Christopher Denn bounded by road G to New Windsor, E corner of land belonging to said Carpenter,Enos Case house, David Case/reserves land for buryinbg lot as in Daniel Case's will. Wit: David Sweezy, Jr. and John Wells F 368 1796 John Carpenter late of G to James Dotson, Minisink, property in Minisink 176 L 45 and 276 acres ?, borders James Dotson and Anthony Cooley, Minisink Rd, survey by Abel Gale; Wit: Theophilus Howell and Wm Pettit, Jr., Sign John Carpenter rec. 1798 F 387 Commisioner (Children of Anthony Yelverton) to James Carpenter, Esq property in G, bordered John L. Homidue and James Carpenter; Wit: Wm Jackson and Phinias Case F 396 1796 Isreal Clowes and Conwell Shepard of Sussex Co. Delaware to James Carpenter merchant, now in possession, former ownership John Clowes, dec. of Sussex Co., Del, will 4/8/1761 , 844 acres Wit: Wm Pettit and Abel Gale Sign: Isaac Clowes and Shepard Conwell

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