Sorry for the delay in getting back to the list. I've been back tracking Garrison's and Kitchen on the online census on Ancestry. I sure lost track of time. Thank goodness the trucker is headed for Alabama or supper would be real late. To try and answer all the questions: I've mainly been researching the Garrison-Austin connection of mine in the Sodus Wayne County area but had a lead that the Garrison came from Rensselaer County, to Duchess County, then on to Wayne County. So I have just started in Rensselaer county (how is that pronounced??? wren-see-lay-er???) That is the reason for wanting the 1855 state census--it has the county of birth on it (might answer some questions)-Thanks again to Dick, Dorothy, Dorothy, Lyn and Sharon for the leads and answers. I ordered the "New York State Censuses & Substitutes" by William Dollarhide from http://www.heritagecreations.com/ price $32.95 + $3.00 S&H According to the website it contains: Identifies 448 state census originals for New Yorks 62 counties, located at 68 different New York repositories, plus transcripts/extracts, abstracts, or indexes in print, all with library call numbers and FHL film numbers. Identifies 120 statewide and regional name lists for New York, including tax lists, land records, military lists, newspaper indexes, CD-ROM publications, and online resources. Identifies 105 original 1850-1880 federal censuses held by 30 New York counties. (County duplicate originals on microfilm that can be compared with the microfilmed federal copies). Identifies over 1,200 census substitutes and selected name lists. Substitutes include tax lists, voter registrations, military lists, and deed indexes. Selected lists include county histories, city directories, naturalization indexes, vital records indexes, or other unique name lists for a particular county. Identifies over 1,500 online town references to find direct links to census extracts, indexes, or other name lists online. Identifies over 3,700 bibliographic citations in total, each with detailed descriptions and notes, library call numbers, and FHL film numbers. Includes 19 county boundary maps for the period 1683-1915, showing the evolution of all New York counties and adjoining jurisdictions in bordering states and Canada. Includes 26 NY State Census Extraction Forms, 1825-1925, with all NY population, military, agriculture, industry, births, deaths, and marriage schedules; plus the 1890 NY Police Census, and the 1880 Short Form; and includes 26 New York State Census Facsimiles, showing the actual state census schedules, tables, pages, and columns. Kathie In Montana Cascade County Volunteer for: Random Acts Of Genealogical Kindness http://www.raogk.org/ Rootsweb Obituary Lookup http://freepages.genealogy rootswebcom/~obitl/ovlist.html Cascade County, Montana 2005 Obit Lookups: 157