I see censorship is alive and WELL as my response to this was prevented from reaching this board... interesting that a MAN was allowed to insult women at large, but the response contesting such was deleted from public view.... by a woman NO LESS.... Pat you should really be ASHAMED to allow a male insult to be included in this forum and any female response to it be censored.... this is disgraceful...ABSOLUTELY disgraceful!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradford Miter" <bradmiter@earthlink.net> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Is DNA testing worthwhile? > Cliff, > > I must say I agree that if you are just wanting to match to the world it > is > largely a waste of money, especially at the 12 marker level. > > I got involved in testing when trying to see if I matched up to the St. > Kew, > Cornwall Miter clan. I paid for test for myself and a male descendent > from > St. Kew and we failed to have a single match in the 12 marker test. > What's > more, his historic roots went back to Asia Minor and mine were purely > Western Europe and the UK. > > Of course, as my 'pseudo cousin' pointed out, it only takes one female in > the line to 'step out of the house' and it messes up the lineage! > > I have had a couple of 12 marker matches with folks that I couldn't > possibly > match up to in recorded history. > > Brad Miter > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyrensse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyrensse-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Cliff Lamere > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:11 PM > To: NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYRENSSE] Is DNA testing worthwhile? > > I have long been skeptical about the benefits of having a DNA test done > for myself. > > Few genealogists understand much about DNA testing. I taught science for > 27 years, but I could not understand how a DNA test would help me with > my family tree. I read the websites of many testing companies, but their > claims were vague and never mentioned that they would help me identify > whether or not I had correctly chosen my 4th greatgrandfather. I phoned > Family Tree DNA, but the owner could not assure me that the test could > find any ancestors for me. > > I decided that I would be wasting my money. Later, a genealogy friend > brought up the subject after he had participated in a DNA surname study > with the same company. After the test was completed, he wrote to me > saying the following. > > "I Hope you haven't been tempted to get one of those DNA tests to show > your ancestoral matches. One of my old [surname deleted] correspondents > did so. They paid $200 for it and had me send in saliva samples for > comparative analysis. Not one person of my surname turned up as a match. > My genes and theirs show up in every country in the world! It appears > all of the matches are prehistoric. They keep sending readouts of "new" > data with a handful of surnames but still no family matches. It may be > scientific but I believe they're guilty of deception." > > Take a look at the results of the surname study in which my friend > participated. > > ------------------ > > "An exact 12 marker match has been found between you and another person > in the Family Tree DNA database. > > You and the other person match in all 12 loci. If you share the same > surname or variant, this means that there is a 99% likelihood that you > share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you match > another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably > share a common ancestor, but this ancestor most likely lived in the time > before surnames were adopted. > > The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there, > click on the "Y-DNA Matches" tab to see a list of your matches. Newer > matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent > to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins."" > > ------------------ > > That is apparently what you get for your money. Everyone on this mailing > list is probably related. Any two of us are probably "genetic cousins" > because we are both related to some unnamed person born in Europe a > thousand or ten thousand years ago or to someone in prehistoric times. > If you and I both took the test, we might learn that. Is it worth > spending money to find that out? > > The Times Union, Albany's newspaper had an article today ("Relative > Connections") that described the experience of one person who learned > about the ancient migration route of some unnamed person. He also quoted > someone who said that the mtDNA test detects only one of thousands of > ancestors. Since it tests the female line, and surnames change with > every marriage, it can't tell you a surname. If I understand correctly, > the test will not help you add anyone to your family tree. The article > will be online for seven days before you have to pay to read it. > > http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=703086&category=LIFE&news > date=7/14/2008 > > If you have had some experience with the DNA testing, please tell us if > it helped you identify any relatives or not. > > Cliff Lamere > > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.re > nsselaer/mb.ashx > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/mb.ashx > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your message went through on Tuesday, July 15th. There was no "censorship." See below: From: "littlemoon" <littlemoon@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Is DNA testing worthwhile? Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:32:18 -0400 References: <487BCF0B.6030704@nycap.rr.com><003301c8e61b $df2330b0$9d699210$@net> In-Reply-To: <003301c8e61b$df2330b0$9d699210$@net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradford Miter" <bradmiter@earthlink.net> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Is DNA testing worthwhile? > Cliff, > > I must say I agree that if you are just wanting to match to the world it > is > largely a waste of money, especially at the 12 marker level. > > I got involved in testing when trying to see if I matched up to the St. > Kew, > Cornwall Miter clan. I paid for test for myself and a male descendent > from > St. Kew and we failed to have a single match in the 12 marker test. > What's > more, his historic roots went back to Asia Minor and mine were purely > Western Europe and the UK. > > Of course, as my 'pseudo cousin' pointed out, it only takes one female in > the line to 'step out of the house' and it messes up the lineage! EXCUSE ME???? it takes a MAN to "mess up the lineage"... no woman got pregnant on her own buddy... > On Jul 15, 2008, at 5:53 PM, littlemoon wrote: > I see censorship is alive and WELL as my response to this was > prevented from > reaching this board... interesting that a MAN was allowed to insult > women at > large, but the response contesting such was deleted from public > view.... by > a woman NO LESS.... > > Pat you should really be ASHAMED to allow a male insult to be > included in > this forum and any female response to it be censored.... > > this is disgraceful...ABSOLUTELY disgraceful!!!! >